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20121203 01:57:42< gh0st> mattsc: Just got the email from melange. No, i didn't start yet, so i'll be taking the 'forest animals' then.
20121203 02:00:30< mattsc> gh0st: great, thank you !
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20121203 04:09:15< mattsc> Hi, Arc.  I added a new task to the Wesnoth GCI tasks.  It shows up as unapproved.  Do I need to do something else?
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20121203 05:18:35< irker419> wesnoth: jamit * r55799 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp gamestatus.cpp replay_controller.cpp): 
20121203 05:18:38< irker419> wesnoth: Instead of removing prestart events (with a method that fails if an event's name
20121203 05:18:38< irker419> wesnoth: is, e.g., "prestart,turn_end"), simply do not fire those events when loading a
20121203 05:18:38< irker419> wesnoth: replay (analogous to not firing those events when loading a game normally).
20121203 05:18:38< irker419> wesnoth: This reverts most of r55658, replacing it with a simpler fix to bug #20272.
20121203 05:18:38< irker419> wesnoth: This also handles the additional case of start events.
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20121203 05:40:35< irker419> wesnoth: jamit * r55800 /trunk/src/replay_controller.cpp: 
20121203 05:40:35< irker419> wesnoth: Correct the timing of turn_1 (et al.) events in a replay.
20121203 05:40:35< irker419> wesnoth: Might fix bug #20322.
20121203 05:51:43< irker419> wesnoth: jamit * r55801 /trunk/src/playsingle_controller.cpp: 
20121203 05:51:44< irker419> wesnoth: When creating [replay_start], have the snapshot overwrite the scenario config,
20121203 05:51:44< irker419> wesnoth: rather than the other way around.
20121203 05:51:45< irker419> wesnoth: This is important for the RNG as the snapshot includes how often the RNG was
20121203 05:51:45< irker419> wesnoth: invoked in prestart and start evnets, while the scenario's config has the RNG
20121203 05:51:46< irker419> wesnoth: recorded as having never been invoked (naturally enough).
20121203 05:51:46< irker419> wesnoth: It might solve some other replay issues as well. (Not all replay issues are
20121203 05:51:47< irker419> wesnoth: (Log message trimmed.)
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20121203 16:38:01< mattsc> noy, Ivanovic, AI0867, Alarantalara, boucman_work: from the Wesnoth perspective GCI was a resounding success.
20121203 16:38:12< mattsc> I don't know if the students will agree with that, given that 1 week after the start, all but one of the 22 tasks we had are done.
20121203 16:38:19< mattsc> I have ideas for maybe 3-5 additional tasks, but at that point, I am pretty much out of stuff that can be set up as GCI tasks.
20121203 16:38:27< boucman_work> awesome (though I was personally not involved at all)
20121203 16:38:41< boucman_work> :)
20121203 16:38:57< mattsc> boucman_work: I copied you for what comes next :)
20121203 16:39:08< boucman_work> ok :)
20121203 16:39:11 * boucman_work hides
20121203 16:39:17< mattsc> ... but I need to do some counting first.
20121203 16:40:55< mattsc> We now have 16 working Micro AIs.  Some are more generally useful than others and I need to do some cleaning up and some of them should be generalized some more (which is what the new GCI tasks are about)
20121203 16:42:01< mattsc> I think once that is done, we should just put them out the for the Wesnoth UMC community to use.  That's the best way of getting feedback on them and seeing what's missing or can be improved.
20121203 16:42:16< boucman_work> so basically you want them mainlined ?
20121203 16:42:28< boucman_work> (after the cleanup, that is)
20121203 16:42:54< mattsc> If we want to add them into mainline at all, yes, I think we should get going on that (after the clean-up)
20121203 16:43:34< mattsc> I'll rely on your (all's) judgement whether that's worth to be added though.
20121203 16:44:10< boucman_work> I don't really have a view of "the big picture" for AI right now, I am not sure who has (in the mainline devs, I mean) maybe Crab_...
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20121203 16:45:26< Crab_> boucman_work, mattsc: mainlining them seems like a good plan, especially if they're accompanied by documentation.
20121203 16:46:08< Crab_> It would allow scenario creators to change the AI behavior in more high-level ways.
20121203 16:46:14< mattsc> Crab_: documentation's already done.  We made that part of the GCI tasks: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Micro_AIs
20121203 16:46:47< mattsc> It needs to be fleshed out a bit in parts, but that's not too hard to do.
20121203 16:47:51< Crab_> mattsc: However, a complaint that I've seen before about the ai tuning stuff that it's hard to see if it works or not :)
20121203 16:48:18< mattsc> Crab_: that's about the AI aspects?
20121203 16:48:28< Crab_> mostly caution/aggression 
20121203 16:48:49< Crab_> and other, i.e. avoid are easy enough to use 
20121203 16:48:59< mattsc> Yeah, I can see that.  Although when one goes to extreme values, it's quite clear that they do work.
20121203 16:49:19< Crab_> mattsc: so, a good test for 'should we include this micro ai or not' is 'can we demonstrate, on a mini scenario or in plain english, what this micro_ai would do?'
20121203 16:49:31< mattsc> The thing with the Micro AIs is that they add completely different behavior on top of the RCA AI, so it's quite obvious whether it works or not.
20121203 16:49:50< mattsc> Crab_: Also already done.  :)  All of them have their own scenarios in AI-Demos.
20121203 16:50:01< Crab_> I know. We need to mainline not just the micro ais, but the examples as well.
20121203 16:50:19< mattsc> Ok, sure, that's no problem at all.
20121203 16:50:36< mattsc> That can be done in the same way as the AI arena.
20121203 16:52:10< Crab_> yes, looks like a good idea.
20121203 16:59:25< mattsc> Cool.  I'll let people do some more work on a couple GCI tasks and do some cleaning up.  I'm also traveling for 9 days starting this Friday.
20121203 16:59:57< mattsc> Oh, and I want to talk to Nephro about using external CAs for this.
20121203 17:00:13< mattsc> So I'll likely get this done during or around Christmas break.
20121203 17:01:55< boucman_work> sounds good
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20121203 19:17:06< Ivanovic> mattsc: sounds like a sane idea to move some more ai stuff to mainline
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20121203 19:21:35< mattsc> Ivanovic: great, thanks.  There's a little more work to be done, after that I'll move ahead with this.
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20121203 19:59:25< irker215> wesnoth: alarantalara * r55802 /trunk/data/ai/aliases/dev_multiplayer.cfg: 
20121203 19:59:25< irker215> wesnoth: Add a dev_multiplayer AI alias for the new AI. Since that AI does not allow any customization of recruiting, it seems undesirable for it to replace the singleplayer AI in its current state.
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20121203 20:20:46-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.11.1 planned for once the hotkey and MP issues are fixed | 191 bugs, 331 feature requests, 15 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20121203 23:42:14< irker545> wesnoth: alarantalara * r55803 /trunk/data/ai/lua/generic-recruit_engine.lua: 
20121203 23:42:15< irker545> wesnoth: Recache unit information for recruiting when era/scenario add units to the recruit list after the first unit is recruited
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