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20121220 05:32:00< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r16472 /trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/units/shaxthal/ (8 files): 
20121220 05:32:00< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: IftU: synced shaxthal stats and animations with AtS.
20121220 05:32:59< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r16473 /trunk/NX-RPG/ (utils/terrain.cfg changelog): 
20121220 05:33:00< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: fixed duplicate terrain IDs
20121220 05:49:34< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r16474 /trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/units/faeries/Spirit.cfg: 
20121220 05:49:34< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: IftU: added a delicious Kate modeline thingy.
20121220 05:50:31< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r16475 /trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/units/faeries/Dryad.cfg: 
20121220 05:50:31< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: IftU: another Kate modeline... yay.
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20121220 06:14:10< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: IftU: let's use the new Abomination sprite.
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20121220 09:01:53< irker413> wesnoth-umc-dev: IftU: synced shaxthal images with AtS.
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20121220 13:41:24< irker308> AI-Demos: Martin Bede master * r8cc7caf / (2 files): Parameterized wolves_multipacks MAI. - http://git.io/MCJ9lA
20121220 13:41:24< irker308> AI-Demos: Martin Bede master * rf1a68a4 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/mattsc/Wesnoth-AI-Demos - http://git.io/83pcYQ
20121220 14:04:32< irker308> AI-Demos: Martin Bede master * rab1a7cc / (3 files in 2 dirs): Parameterized wolves_multipacks micro ai. - http://git.io/PpS8gA
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20121220 16:57:05< vultraz> mattsc: how's it going with your macro ai stuff :P
20121220 16:58:50< mattsc> vultraz: pretty well.  The last GCI student projects are almost done and I've cleaned up a lot of the scenarios and code to prepare them for mainline.
20121220 16:59:25< mattsc> Assuming I have time, I'm planning to start putting things into trunk next week.
20121220 17:00:02< mattsc> We'll stay small though and start with micro AIs  :)
20121220 17:00:15< vultraz> is it possible to make an SX AI?
20121220 17:00:36< vultraz> eg one who could play the SX addons
20121220 17:00:49< vultraz> also figure when to shop and what tp buy
20121220 17:02:09< mattsc> I've never played any of the SX addons, so I am not really in a good position to answer that.
20121220 17:02:46< vultraz> basically you get gold and +4 mp and +1 attack if you kill an enemy. you get to keep attacking as long as there's an enemy in range and you kill it
20121220 17:03:02< vultraz> the ai keeps recruiting stronger and stronger units
20121220 17:03:14< vultraz> and you have to buy upgrades in a shop to keep up
20121220 17:03:44< Alarantalara1> It's probably possible, but it would almost certainly depend on getting help from the SX add-on. The AI doesn't go through menus, so something would need to be put in place so that it knew what the upgrades were and could get them
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20121220 17:05:04< vultraz> there's also tons of other factors
20121220 17:05:05< Alarantalara1> Not to mention that it would have to be part of an era, since it wouldn't be mainline and modifications don't allow AIs yet
20121220 17:05:07< vultraz> potions
20121220 17:05:15< vultraz> chests of gold
20121220 17:05:17< vultraz> items
20121220 17:05:19< vultraz> magic
20121220 17:05:22< vultraz> (spells)
20121220 17:06:19< vultraz> just asking out of curiosity :P
20121220 17:06:31< vultraz> right now I need to figure out how to make a spawn AI
20121220 17:06:39< vultraz> or is that already done
20121220 17:06:42< vultraz> in Ai Demos
20121220 17:06:51< Alarantalara1> What would it do?
20121220 17:07:13< vultraz> randomly spawn a unit at X location every X turns of a random type 
20121220 17:07:24< vultraz> x location radius*
20121220 17:07:29< Alarantalara1> That doesn't sound like an AI
20121220 17:08:07< vultraz> also have them move in certain group patterns
20121220 17:09:11< vultraz> like say you want the bat spawns to never move within X hexes of a location and always go for the nearest unit with a certain role
20121220 17:09:44< Alarantalara1> The wolf pack AI might come close to what you want
20121220 17:10:12< Alarantalara1> Though they wander a bit more
20121220 17:11:23< vultraz> what's that one that keeps the sheep inside a location?
20121220 17:12:46< Alarantalara1> It's part of the sheep AI
20121220 17:13:22< vultraz> hm...
20121220 17:13:38< vultraz> I'm trying to think, realistically, what would a swarm of crazed bats do
20121220 17:14:12< vultraz> see, I have a bat swarm in scens 2 and 3, and I need it to behave right
20121220 17:14:17< Alarantalara1> Try the wolf one or modify the swarm to not scatter but attack if an enemy comes close
20121220 17:15:32< vultraz> is there a Macro AI for that? :P
20121220 17:15:56< Alarantalara1> Both are micro AIs, but any changes like attacking you'd have to do yourself at the moment
20121220 17:16:01< mattsc> vultraz: (sorry, had to do something else)  The is a bat swarm AI in AI-Demos.  It's called "Swarm"
20121220 17:16:06< mattsc> And it is a micro AI.
20121220 17:16:28< Alarantalara1> mattsc: He wants the swarm to attack and not run away though
20121220 17:16:58< mattsc> Alarantalara1: right.  Sorry, I should read the whole conversation before replying...
20121220 17:18:19< mattsc> vultraz: fyi, there are two different wolf pack AIs (one in scenario Animals, one in Wolves).  And they are currently being modified to work with arbitrary pack sizes.
20121220 17:21:33< vultraz> hm
20121220 17:22:00< vultraz> This might be difficult, as I still need to get the spawn WML downpat
20121220 17:22:05< vultraz> then again
20121220 17:22:18< vultraz> I could just make it an AI recruiting pattern and use castle overlays
20121220 17:22:39< vultraz> but I really don;t know...
20121220 17:23:30< mattsc> vultraz: I think I missed something.  Random spawning of units every X turns is a simple WML event.
20121220 17:24:25< vultraz> well it's turning out to be anything BUT simple in my case, though maybe it's just my very very bad coding skills
20121220 17:25:09< mattsc> It's probably because I don't understand what you are trying to do.
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20121220 17:27:14< vultraz> I'm probably overcomplicating it
20121220 17:27:16< vultraz> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/NX-RPG/macros/spawners.cfg?revision=15650&view=markup
20121220 17:28:58< Alarantalara1> That's a lot more than spawning every X turns
20121220 17:29:19< vultraz> er...yeah
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20121220 17:31:06< irker646> AI-Demos: Martin Bede master * ra761d17 / (micro_ais/ais/mai_animals_engine.lua scenarios/wolves.cfg): Fixed the show_pack_number parameter of wolves_multipacks MAI. - http://git.io/Kv5Nrg
20121220 17:32:53< vultraz> Me and my attempt to show MUF stuff
20121220 17:32:57< vultraz> and random locations
20121220 17:32:59< vultraz> and all that
20121220 17:34:52< vultraz> I wonder how I could simplify it
20121220 17:37:37< vultraz> cuz the code doesn't work anyway
20121220 17:39:12< vultraz> Alarantalara1, mattsc: either of you have an example of a simple spawner at random loc event sitting around?
20121220 17:40:23< Alarantalara1> Yes, in scenario 1 of Cataclysm, though it's much simpler
20121220 17:40:25< mattsc> vultraz: do you happen to have Grnk downloaded?
20121220 17:40:31< Alarantalara1> to the point you might not be interested
20121220 17:40:47< mattsc> in utils/general-utils.cfg, there are things along those lines in there
20121220 17:41:01< mattsc> Don't have time to look for them right now though, sorry.
20121220 17:41:16< vultraz> no I don't have Grnk
20121220 17:42:42< Alarantalara1> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Cataclysm/scenarios/01_Exodus.cfg?revision=11137&view=markup at line 347 is a very simple one
20121220 17:43:35< vultraz> UGH
20121220 17:43:41< vultraz> how could I have forgotten that macro
20121220 17:43:43< vultraz> >_>
20121220 17:47:15< vultraz> the way AtS's spawners work is that
20121220 17:47:23< vultraz> there are units at start
20121220 17:47:30< vultraz> which will respawn at the same loc
20121220 17:47:35< vultraz> X turns after you kill them
20121220 17:47:55< vultraz> I was using that, kinda..
20121220 17:48:00< vultraz> mixed with mine
20121220 17:48:12< vultraz> but screw this, I need a complete rewrite
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20121220 17:56:48< irker646> AI-Demos: Martin Bede master * r1c230df / micro_ais/ais/mai_animals_engine.lua : Removed unnecessary complexity. - http://git.io/NhACRw
20121220 18:02:55< irker646> AI-Demos: Martin Bede master * rf0f9fb6 / micro_ais/ais/mai_animals_engine.lua : The pack number under animals controlled by wolves_multipacks is now gray (for all sides). - http://git.io/dF4OrA
20121220 18:34:14< irker646> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r0cb4846 / micro_ais/ais/mai_animals_engine.lua : Revert "The pack number under animals controlled by wolves_multipacks is now gray (for all sides)." (+8 more commits...) - http://git.io/rcjlHw
20121220 18:35:40< irker646> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r45e782d / micro_ais/ais/mai_animals_engine.lua : Revert "Revert "The pack number under animals controlled by wolves_multipacks is now gray (for all sides)."" - http://git.io/TQLd4w
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20121220 19:00:46< irker646> AI-Demos: mattsc master * rfbcade4 / micro_ais/ais/mai_animals_engine.lua : Big Animals MAI: switch to new filter parameter syntax - http://git.io/JLmgWA
20121220 19:09:46< irker646> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r60ffaac / scenarios/animals.cfg : animals.cfg: fix typo - http://git.io/uQnSNg
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20121220 20:05:03< irker646> AI-Demos: mattsc master * rd2a4cae / micro_ais/ais/micro_ais_wml_tags.lua : micro_ais_wml_tags.lua: fix typo that kept wolves from attacking in multipack AI - http://git.io/G6IRKA
20121220 20:07:35< irker646> AI-Demos: vitiv master * r9a1958b / (3 files in 2 dirs): Replaced get_child in lurker AI - http://git.io/pAFFeg
20121220 20:07:36< irker646> AI-Demos: vitiv master * r330f0f0 / (2 files): Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/mattsc/Wesnoth-AI-Demos - http://git.io/r-Cqjg
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20121220 20:11:21< irker646> AI-Demos: vitiv master * r9913ab8 / _main.cfg : added self to credits - http://git.io/8OdN0A
20121220 20:28:28< irker646> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r49159d1 / micro_ais/ais/mai_lurkers_engine.lua : Lurkers AI: fix bug that caused error when there was no terrain to move to - http://git.io/DLFhgw
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20121220 21:12:58< irker646> AI-Demos: vitiv master * r712a4fa / micro_ais/ais/mai_animals_engine.lua : Removed get_child from the sheep ai - http://git.io/c7NGVg
20121220 21:12:58< irker646> AI-Demos: vitiv master * r7255991 / micro_ais/ais/mai_lurkers_engine.lua : Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/mattsc/Wesnoth-AI-Demos - http://git.io/20bRpw
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20121220 22:25:48< irker646> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r16478 /trunk/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/macros/animation-utils.cfg: 
20121220 22:25:48< irker646> wesnoth-umc-dev: IftU: rearranged some animation macros.
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20121220 23:48:59< irker646> AI-Demos: mattsc master * reec6922 / lua/ai_helper.lua : ai_helper: remove the permutations function again - http://git.io/jwK_cw
20121220 23:52:51< Alarantalara1> skyfaller and anyone else who enjoys such things:
20121220 23:52:51< Alarantalara1> Today's question about Wesnoth strategy: How many units with poison can you have before they get in each other's way? I submit this as evidence that you can have too many: http://imagebin.org/240145
20121220 23:54:04< Alarantalara1> This is the "I know all the enemies left alive are already poisoned, but I wanted to make sure they stayed that way" strategy.
20121220 23:55:57< Alarantalara1> I'm currently thinking of doing something related to the number of allied poisoners vs the number of vulnerable enemy units
20121220 23:56:24< Alarantalara1> and using that to modify the expected damage dealt from poison
20121220 23:57:05< irker646> AI-Demos: mattsc master * rde8e000 / scenarios/wolves.cfg : Wolves scenario: put a few more wolves out there and change pack size - http://git.io/MPnDAA
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