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20130101 00:00:39< Espreon> Then "Over 200 Unit Types
20130101 00:00:44< Espreon> *Types"
20130101 00:01:21< Espreon> And even if that twelve is stuff that doesn't matter... unit types from mainline campaigns.
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20130101 00:05:58< Espreon> AI0867: http://pastebin.com/SmLCrK70
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20130101 00:06:37< Espreon> AI0867: Feel free to tweak this.
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20130101 00:33:20< AI0867> Espreon: I corrected chopiness to choppiness
20130101 00:33:33< Espreon> 'K
20130101 00:33:39< Espreon> Anything else?
20130101 00:33:46< AI0867> not really
20130101 00:33:54< Espreon> OK.
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20130101 01:47:27< irker901> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55977 /trunk/data/tools/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
20130101 01:47:27< irker901> wesnoth: website: New Year copyright update
20130101 01:48:34< irker901> wesnoth: jamit * r55978 /trunk/src/ai/actions.cpp: 
20130101 01:48:35< irker901> wesnoth: Respect the "Skip AI moves" preference when the AI recalls a unit.
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20130101 01:55:04< irker901> wesnoth: jamit * r55979 /trunk/src/playsingle_controller.cpp: 
20130101 01:55:04< irker901> wesnoth: Handle an oddball case where a human delays shroud updates before turning over control to the AI.
20130101 01:57:56< shadowm> !repo
20130101 01:57:57< shikadibot> shadowm: Repository URI: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth
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20130101 02:10:41< irker901> wesnoth: jamit * r55980 /trunk/src/actions/create.cpp: 
20130101 02:10:42< irker901> wesnoth: When a unit is recruited, it is the gender list of the original type that determines
20130101 02:10:42< irker901> wesnoth: the unit's gender, not what might be overridden in the final (gender-specific) type.
20130101 02:10:43< irker901> wesnoth: So a correct test for there being more than one gender should check the originally
20130101 02:10:43< irker901> wesnoth: specified unit type, not the resulting unit type.
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20130101 02:45:56< irker901> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55981 /website/eclipse.wesnoth.org/ (features.html download.html index.html): 
20130101 02:45:57< irker901> wesnoth: website/e.w.o: New Year copyright update
20130101 02:46:56< irker901> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55982 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (index.extra.php index.lang.php index.php): 
20130101 02:46:56< irker901> wesnoth: website/g.w.o: New Year copyright update
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20130101 08:31:27< Sapient> happy 20113
20130101 08:32:37< shadowm> Greetings, time traveler.
20130101 08:32:52< Sapient> lol .. just noticed my key stuck
20130101 08:32:54< shadowm> Does humanity truly still exist by then? I'm astounded.
20130101 08:33:34< Sapient> my fingers are still twitching from beating the level 7 iron door on grimrock
20130101 08:34:46< Sapient> although I had to scale the resolution down to 200 x 150 for it to run fast enough
20130101 08:36:03< Sapient> anyways, I just had a look at the new trailer. Despite one or two glaring problems, it seems nice
20130101 08:37:15< Sapient> I was a bit surprised that Isle of Anduin would be used with that giant patch of forest since the instructions said not to do that, though
20130101 08:41:58< Sapient> and if I'm not mistaken, none of the units that were shown moving had movement animations
20130101 08:42:31< Sapient> although it probably would have been hard to spot at that speed
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20130101 08:46:06< Sapient> use of storyscreens was very nice, except that one from two brothers that got shown twice
20130101 08:46:39< Sapient> and... if I'm not mistaken not a single portrait is shown, that could be added
20130101 08:48:00< Sapient> correction: storycreen not shown twice but very similar, guy on horse image
20130101 08:49:19< Sapient> the shift between the two map styles when "imagination" is on the screen was a bit jarring
20130101 08:50:17< Sapient> I liked the multiplayer battle
20130101 08:50:31< Sapient> good luck to the GCI person
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20130101 09:53:23< vultraz> my opinions of the trailer: the map change on the 'imagination' screen is weird, the font is bad (already commented on, I know), the images look outdated, the music doesn't seem to fir at the end, and it doesn't capture my interest enough
20130101 09:54:13< vultraz> Also seems to have been uploaded at low-res
20130101 09:54:40< vultraz> I have to make the window small for it to look ok
20130101 09:55:28< vultraz> but I suppose it's only for youtube so it's ok
20130101 09:56:31< vultraz> Also the music change at 0:16 seems a bit abrupt
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20130101 10:20:54< mordante> servus and a happy new year
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20130101 10:22:39< irker736> wesnoth: mordante * r55983 /trunk/ (1126 files in 93 dirs): 
20130101 10:22:39< irker736> wesnoth: New year copyright update.
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20130101 10:30:22< vultraz> happy new year mordante :3
20130101 10:30:33< mordante> to you to vultraz 
20130101 10:35:19< irker736> wesnoth: mordante * r55984 /branches/1.10/ (996 files in 78 dirs): 
20130101 10:35:19< irker736> wesnoth: New year copyright update.
20130101 10:36:17< vultraz> any plans for wesnoth in 2013?
20130101 10:36:44< mordante> not yet
20130101 10:40:38< mordante> Ivanovic, thanks for booking the room
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20130101 10:53:18< Ivanovic> happy new year everybody!
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20130101 10:59:18< mordante> happy new year Ivanovic 
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20130101 13:16:56< Ivanovic> so, the schedule of talks for the open source gamedev room at fosdem is done
20130101 13:17:19< Ivanovic> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/open-source-gamedev-devroom/2013-January/000052.html
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20130101 17:42:41< vultraz> fendrin_: how does Liminal work?
20130101 17:47:43< Octalot> vultraz: have you seen my reply to Mabuse's thread?
20130101 17:48:17< Octalot> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=511665
20130101 17:48:36< vultraz> Octalot: just checking to see if it's changed in the year since that was posted
20130101 17:48:39< Octalot> fendrin_: does it still work that way?
20130101 17:49:28< Octalot> cheers (laughing at simultaneous typing)
20130101 17:50:16< vultraz> heh
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20130101 17:56:41< fendrin_> vultraz: hi
20130101 18:02:45< vultraz> hey fendrin_ 
20130101 18:08:27< fendrin_> It still works that way.
20130101 18:11:08< vultraz> Ok
20130101 18:11:24< vultraz> thnx
20130101 18:11:28< vultraz> Octalot: ^
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20130101 20:09:18 * shadowm suddenly remembers 1.10 exists.
20130101 20:10:54< irker736> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55985 /branches/1.10/data/tools/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
20130101 20:10:55< irker736> wesnoth: website: New Year copyright update
20130101 20:12:26< shadowm> mordante: Your commit is not all-inclusive.
20130101 20:12:27< shadowm> src/editor/action/mouse/mouse_action_village.cpp:   Copyright (C) 2008 - 2011 by Fabian Mueller <fabianmueller5@gmx.de>
20130101 20:12:32< shadowm> Just an example.
20130101 20:20:03< lipkab> shadowm: Are you already officially back from wesbreak?
20130101 20:20:30< shadowm> I announced the unbreak weeks ago.
20130101 20:20:42< shadowm> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/257-Unbreak.html
20130101 20:21:04< shadowm> (No, I wasn't working for the U.N. during the eswesbreak.)
20130101 20:21:45< lipkab> I don't read your blog :P
20130101 20:23:50< shadowm> Nor my commits, I guess.
20130101 20:24:00< lipkab> Oh look, Péter Lőrincz does.
20130101 20:25:27< lipkab> It's exam period I don't really read anything but school books and notes.
20130101 20:29:48< irker736> wesnoth: jamit * r55986 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
20130101 20:29:49< irker736> wesnoth: More merging of codepaths for recalls.
20130101 20:29:49< irker736> wesnoth: There were some discrepancies regarding screen invalidation, but the merged version
20130101 20:29:50< irker736> wesnoth: appears to work for all cases.
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20130101 20:56:38< irker736> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55987 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20130101 20:56:38< irker736> wesnoth: preferences: Demote new lobby option to Advanced Preferences and improve/replace related UI strings to avoid misleading players
20130101 20:57:13< shadowm> Ivanovic: ^ Can I backport this to 1.10? It replaces two strings.
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20130101 21:08:29< irker736> wesnoth: jamit * r55988 /trunk/src/ (ai/actions.cpp replay.hpp): 
20130101 21:08:30< irker736> wesnoth: The need for a replay_undo object in ai::recruit_result::do_execute() was removed in r37314.
20130101 21:21:41< irker736> wesnoth: jamit * r55989 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: 
20130101 21:21:41< irker736> wesnoth: Eliminate an unneeded (and not deleted?) copy of a unit during a recall.
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20130101 21:52:29< mordante> shadowm, good catch, the script looks for 2012 and updates it to 2013
20130101 21:54:43< shadowm> multiplayer_lobby.?pp have 2007-2009.
20130101 21:58:13< mordante> ok thanks will look later this week
20130101 22:02:30< Ivanovic> shadowm: sure, just backport it, sounds save enough to me
20130101 22:17:35 * mordante hands shadowm a comman
20130101 22:17:39< mordante> comma*
20130101 22:17:46< mordante> I'm off bye
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20130101 22:24:08< shadowm> Har har.
20130101 22:31:26< jamit> When a recruitment is stored in a replay, why is an index (into a set of unit types) stored, instead of directly storing the unit type?
20130101 22:33:44< jamit> Seems like useless overhead, as the "save" end winds up calculating the index for no reason other than storing it, and the "read" end then has to convert the index back to the string.
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20130101 22:39:04< Sapient> jamit: saving the type in the replay might be better in case recruitment list were changed in a non-synched event, such as ai turn
20130101 22:40:04< jamit> Should I change that? I'll be sure to leave in a fallback so older replays will still work.
20130101 22:40:29< Sapient> I imagine an index was saved because it was seen as more efficient and could survive changes in the type ID
20130101 22:42:02< Sapient> well, to me it makes sense to change recruitment list in an ai turn
20130101 22:42:20< jamit> Do type IDs change much anymore?
20130101 22:42:40< Sapient> not since drake arbiter and dark sorcerer I guess
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20130101 22:43:35< Sapient> anyways type id change would probably break other things in the replay so it's not a significant advantage
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20130101 22:45:27< jamit> One problem with storing an index is that it requires the same set to be created when both reading and writing the replay, which incidentally is not done in all cases.
20130101 22:46:11< jamit> Admittedly, that could be fixed...
20130101 22:50:38< Sapient> probably the reasoning was, why save/send arounf 15 bytes when 1 byte would suffice
20130101 22:52:24< Sapient> but since an ID would get rid of the potential for OOS and replay corruption, including the valid use case of ai turn, I think that's a positive change
20130101 22:52:42< shadowm> Hello, Sapient.
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20130101 22:52:50< Sapient> yo shado
20130101 22:53:07< shadowm> You seem to be around here more often as of late than you used to be for the last few years.
20130101 22:53:22< Sapient> I am always lurking in the shadows
20130101 22:54:18< Sapient> and no I don't want to be forum admin
20130101 22:55:02< shadowm> Huh.
20130101 22:55:06< shadowm> Apropos of what?
20130101 22:55:20< Sapient> that's just a joke
20130101 22:55:49 * Sapient chuckles
20130101 22:56:54< Sapient> although I don't come in here I still read the irc log and keep up with the forum postings
20130101 22:57:35< Sapient> I would read the dev-ml too if it was sending to hotmail
20130101 22:58:12< shadowm> Meh, hotmail.
20130101 22:59:40< Sapient> there are more people nowadays who see the advantage of spreading their services over several clouds, rather than relying on one big player
20130101 23:01:02< shadowm> I never liked hotmail and my account there is pretty much abandoned for years.
20130101 23:02:06< shadowm> Last time I checked it didn't provide a way to forward emails to non-hotmail addresses, or use IMAP with it.
20130101 23:02:13< Sapient> I like hotmail for its longevity... old and, since its owned by a major player, not likely to go away soon
20130101 23:02:39< shadowm> Huh, yes, Google is extremely likely to die any moment now!
20130101 23:03:38< Sapient> well, gmail didn't exist when I signed up for hotmail. it's nice having the same email address for a long time
20130101 23:03:59< shadowm> Anyway, I do remember the gna.org mailer problem. That's really the least of the problems with gna.org.
20130101 23:04:47< shadowm> For example, people are receiving bounced emails because the admins are too busy with not being admins to realize that cia.vc is dead despite the comments on the issue tracker.
20130101 23:07:12< Sapient> yeah when I reported it they didnt seem too responsive either
20130101 23:07:26< zookeeper> oh, it's sapient. rare.
20130101 23:07:32< Sapient> free and no ads I guess it's to be expected
20130101 23:07:53< Sapient> yo zookeeper. happy new year
20130101 23:08:39< zookeeper> what's happy about it
20130101 23:08:57< Sapient> I guess it's not, but that is the customary saying
20130101 23:09:07< zookeeper> yeah :p
20130101 23:10:11< Sapient> shadowm: nice screenshots for AtS. I liked the last one best
20130101 23:11:11< Sapient> I can tell you have put a lot of work into it
20130101 23:11:24< shadowm> Eh, they are all deliberately not focused on anything of interest.
20130101 23:11:55< shadowm> It's mainly for teasing a certain playtester of mine who's dying to get his hands on the unreleased scenarios.
20130101 23:12:05< Sapient> nice
20130101 23:14:01< Sapient> I found this quote pretty surprising "find_in is actually less efficient than repeating filter_adjacent_location in 1.10 "
20130101 23:14:34< Sapient> Alarantalara wrote that here http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=545391#p545391
20130101 23:15:16< shadowm> I've been meaning to ask how efficient find_in in an SLF would be compared to caching a translated version of the original SLF's results, as in a simple x,y list.
20130101 23:16:34< Sapient> well as long as the terrain_filter object is around, it has a cache of sorts
20130101 23:17:15< Sapient> but there's no point keeping it around usually
20130101 23:18:06< Sapient> it tends to be created used once then freed
20130101 23:18:10< shadowm> I mean from the WML/Lua side.
20130101 23:19:04< Sapient> ah, well there you run into the problem of how easily the gamestate may be mutated
20130101 23:19:38< Sapient> it may be possible, though... not sure if it'd be worth it
20130101 23:21:02< Sapient> I'd be interested to see the commit that fixed find_in efficiency if anyone remembers it
20130101 23:21:47< shadowm> !log 54916
20130101 23:21:48< shikadibot> shadowm: Revision 54916 (alarantalara) on Thu Aug  2 01:42:27 2012:
20130101 23:21:48< shikadibot> shadowm: Use content of find_in directly if no x or y values specified. Avoids O(n lg n) operations to recreate the same set in that case where n is the map size.
20130101 23:21:52< shikadibot> shadowm: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=54916
20130101 23:21:58< shadowm> Is that it?
20130101 23:22:53< shadowm> The second and third-to-last instances of find_in in the trunk SVN logs are of silene removing instances of that in some WML (actually Lua) code.
20130101 23:23:02< shadowm> Back in 2010.
20130101 23:23:52< Sapient> interesting, thanks
20130101 23:26:43< Sapient> I still don't see how that makes it less efficient than filter_adjacent_location though
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20130101 23:34:28< irker736> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55990 /trunk/data/advanced_preferences.cfg: 
20130101 23:34:29< irker736> wesnoth: preferences: Better tooltip replacement for the new lobby option from r55987
20130101 23:34:50< irker736> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55991 /trunk/changelog: 
20130101 23:34:50< irker736> wesnoth: Update changelog
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20130101 23:45:02< irker736> wesnoth: shadowmaster * r55992 /branches/1.10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
20130101 23:45:03< irker736> wesnoth: preferences: Demote new lobby option to Advanced Preferences and improve/replace related UI strings to avoid misleading players
20130101 23:45:03< irker736> wesnoth: (Backported from trunk, r55987 and r55990.)
20130101 23:45:04< irker736> wesnoth: Note that this replaces two existing translatable strings.
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