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20130110 15:27:47< zookeeper> Alarantalara, huh, is bob's AI flaw really how the AI works in 1.10?
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20130110 15:54:27< mattsc> zookeeper: yes, it is.
20130110 16:07:05< zookeeper> that's... surprising
20130110 16:09:29< mattsc> The targets the move-to-targets CA uses are enemy leaders, villages, and anything defined in [goal] tags.  That's the only CA that moves units toward targets that our more than 1 move away.
20130110 16:10:13< mattsc> Well, except for goto and move_leader_to_goals, of course.
20130110 16:11:50< zookeeper> i guess it's villages that keep the default AI moving for instance in mainline campaigns
20130110 16:13:12< mattsc> Also, often once villages are taken, there are units in attack range, and that's independent of whether a leader is on the map and hidden.
20130110 16:16:24< mattsc> Also, in a SP player campaign, if you had, say, an allied AI vs. a side without leaders and no villages on the map (or none left to capture) you can get the allied AI to attack anyway by using a [goal] tag.
20130110 16:23:20< zookeeper> yeah
20130110 16:27:59< mattsc> You can, of course, come up with situations in MP where you could use this behavior to turn around a game against the AI that you would lose otherwise, but they are not very likely.
20130110 16:28:45< mattsc> So my guess is that the reason for setting it up that way was because of what tr0ll says in his post (that was before my time, so I'm just guessing)
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20130110 19:06:22< irker724> wesnoth: lipk * r56034 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: 
20130110 19:06:22< irker724> wesnoth: Credit irker in about.cfg
20130110 19:07:31< lipkab> irker724: ^
20130110 19:07:47< lipkab> Oh, it must have noticed already. Hah hah.
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20130110 21:39:37< shadowm> Why must we list every single bot there?
20130110 21:39:53< shadowm> Technically irker wasn't even created for Wesnoth. The svnmail pipeline was, though.
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20130110 21:52:11< Espreon> "Because it's the right thing to do."®
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20130110 22:09:53< shadowm> I suppose that's the closest thing to an answer to my rhetorical question I'll ever get.
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20130110 22:15:03< lipkab> shadowm: You was not created for Wesnoth either, and you're still credited. So that's not a valid point.
20130110 22:15:39< shadowm> You?
20130110 22:16:00< shadowm> You mean me?
20130110 22:16:05< shadowm> Sir, I am not a bot.
20130110 22:16:58< lipkab> "Technically irker wasn't even created for Wesnoth."
20130110 22:17:19< shadowm> While you are not the first one--and definitely not the last one--to suggest that I am in fact, a bot, I find the sole notion absolutely preposterous.
20130110 22:17:36< shadowm> I have not met a single bot who can write WML.
20130110 22:18:07< shadowm> There are things that weren't meant to be automatized, and coding WML is one of them.
20130110 22:18:37< shadowm> My capabilities would have to exceed those of the most sophisticated AI system ever created by man.
20130110 22:19:08< lipkab> You're not the proper person to decide whether you're a bot or not since you're obviously biased.
20130110 22:19:25< lipkab> We'll put it on a vote.
20130110 22:19:39< shadowm> If I were a bot, I would not claim to be a fleshy sack of organs at all.
20130110 22:19:57< vultraz> if shadowm was a bot, the US government would have him in a secret underhround lair
20130110 22:20:00< vultraz> underground*
20130110 22:20:02< shadowm> Humans tend to be repulsive creatures, and the condition would not be flattering for me at all.
20130110 22:20:24< vultraz> because the only way a bot could be this sophisticated, is if it was from the future
20130110 22:20:30< vultraz> we know shadowm time travels
20130110 22:20:33< vultraz> hm...
20130110 22:20:45< shadowm> But let's go back to your original line before vultraz engages full derp mode.
20130110 22:20:49< shadowm> 18:15:02 <lipkab> shadowm: You was not created for Wesnoth either, and you're still credited. So that's not a valid point.
20130110 22:20:55< shadowm> s/You/Yours/
20130110 22:20:56< vultraz> anyway, maybe he's a bot from the future that's programmed to think and act like a human
20130110 22:21:13< shadowm> lipkab: It was zookeeper who added it, and I incidentally voiced the same complaint when he did.
20130110 22:22:06< vultraz> or maybe the gorernment already has him
20130110 22:22:22< vultraz> and he is programmed to do this until he is needed
20130110 22:22:28< vultraz> basically, harmless stasis
20130110 22:22:29< vultraz> for a robot
20130110 22:22:46< vultraz> and one day, shadowmbot will save the world
20130110 22:22:53< vultraz> shikadibot must be his hman handler
20130110 22:22:58< vultraz> human*
20130110 22:23:10< lipkab> shadowm: I was just wondering why should a bot be specifically created for Wesnoth to get credited.
20130110 22:23:40< shadowm> I don't know. wesbot was already there in the beginning.
20130110 22:23:48< shadowm> And it was specifically created for Wesnoth.
20130110 22:24:15< shadowm> Perhaps this could be a case of induction fallacy, but I'm not about to go back to 2004 or something to ask.
20130110 22:24:56< lipkab> Well, anyhow, if CIA is worthy enough to be there, then irker is, too.
20130110 22:25:46< shadowm> CIA is dead.
20130110 22:26:50< lipkab> And, what?
20130110 22:26:57< shadowm> The thing is, irker would be useless for Wesnoth if it weren't for _me_. :)
20130110 22:27:37< lipkab> ALL HAIL SHADOWMASTER!!!
20130110 22:27:39< shadowm> But okay, go ahead and credit the front-end.
20130110 22:28:03< shadowm> It's the sad fate of every back-end software in existence to never be credited in public documents.
20130110 22:29:10< shadowm> (No, really: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/247-irker-svnpoller-Subversion-poller-and-mail-filter-application-for-irker.html)
20130110 22:36:20< lipkab> shadowm: You can always go and change the creds to resolve this scandalous injustice.
20130110 22:38:23 * vultraz is not in the credits last he checked
20130110 22:38:28< shadowm> I would do that if it weren't more fun to have this kind of conversations instead.
20130110 22:38:55< shadowm> vultraz: What code have you contributed to Wesnoth so far?
20130110 22:39:14< vultraz> XCode
20130110 22:39:21< shadowm> Hm, no, that's not code.
20130110 22:39:44< shadowm> But you have contributed some small icons. Feel free to add yourself in the last segment of the art contribs section.
20130110 22:39:47< shadowm> Alphabetical order, please.
20130110 22:41:21< Alarantalara> What are all the sections of the art contribs supposed to represent anyway?
20130110 22:41:48< shadowm> Only Jetrel would know for sure, but I suspect they are tiers of sorts.
20130110 22:42:21< shadowm> According to significance for the project, etc.
20130110 22:48:01< vultraz> bah, I need to commit this on my mac
20130110 22:48:10< vultraz> permissions problem on this computer
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20130110 23:08:23< zookeeper> Alarantalara, yeah, they're tiers. major contributors first, then others, then minor contributors, then people who just made one image or such
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20130110 23:09:05< Alarantalara> I should probably move Mefisto and lurker up a tier then
20130110 23:09:24< zookeeper> i don't know where they sit now, but sure
20130110 23:10:41< Alarantalara> They're both in the lowest one at the moment, which seems out of place for the volume of forests/bridges they;ve done recently
20130110 23:10:58< zookeeper> definitely
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