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20130118 06:45:21< irker261> wesnoth: jamit * r56092 /trunk/src/ (unit_types.hpp unit_types.cpp): 
20130118 06:45:21< irker261> wesnoth: Refactor the implementation of [base_unit].
20130118 06:45:22< irker261> wesnoth: The previous version could fail if a unit type had multiple base units, if it
20130118 06:45:22< irker261> wesnoth: was defined before those unit types, and if those unit types themselves had
20130118 06:45:23< irker261> wesnoth: base units. (The config merge would lose a base unit's base unit.)
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20130118 15:19:10< irker592> wesnoth: jamit * r56093 /trunk/src/ (unit_types.hpp unit_types.cpp): 
20130118 15:19:10< irker592> wesnoth: Some tweaks to unit_type_data::set_config().
20130118 15:19:10< irker592> wesnoth: Most notably, this now checks to see if the insertion was successful and logs an error
20130118 15:19:11< irker592> wesnoth: if it failed (meaning two [unit_type]s had the same id).
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20130118 17:44:35< irker592> wesnoth: jamit * r56094 /trunk/src/ (config.cpp config.hpp unit_types.cpp): 
20130118 17:44:36< irker592> wesnoth: New function: config::inherit_from().
20130118 17:44:36< irker592> wesnoth: This is a complement to config::merge_with(), as it does a merge without overwriting.
20130118 17:44:37< irker592> wesnoth: This has a few uses in unit_types.cpp, and using this function makes the code a bit
20130118 17:44:37< irker592> wesnoth: easier to understand at a glance.
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20130118 20:26:21< mordante> servus
20130118 20:31:54< vultraz> hey
20130118 20:32:45< mordante> hi vultraz 
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20130118 22:10:00< fendrin> mattsc: Hello, I have noticed your conversation with esr about the WoV ai.
20130118 22:10:45< mattsc> Hi, fendrin 
20130118 22:10:49< fendrin> mattsc: Scenario 2 of WoV is a more or less classic capture the flag gameplay.
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20130118 22:11:47< fendrin> Each side owns 3 ( or 5 or whatever the drakes consider a magic number ) in their breeding pens at the beginning.
20130118 22:13:11< fendrin> The game ends when a side has stored 12 ( or 16 or whatever the drakes consider a higher magic number ) of eggs in its pans.
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20130118 22:14:10< mattsc> All sides being drakes and the player playing one of them?
20130118 22:14:41< fendrin> yes
20130118 22:15:24< fendrin> I can code the gameplay with wml events. 
20130118 22:15:37< fendrin> But the ai won't notice this.
20130118 22:15:51< fendrin> This it must take care about several extra things:
20130118 22:16:10< fendrin> Protect the own eggs if there are any left.
20130118 22:16:17< fendrin> Capture eggs.
20130118 22:16:45< fendrin> Be aware about eggs dropped on the ground and be aware about eggs carried by a drake.
20130118 22:17:22< mattsc> I assume that if a drake carrying an egg gets killed, the eggs drops on the ground?
20130118 22:17:30< fendrin> indeed.
20130118 22:17:45< fendrin> Note that eggs have no color.
20130118 22:17:48< mattsc> holdon on, back in a few minutes ...
20130118 22:17:52< fendrin> Just gather enough on them.
20130118 22:18:02< fendrin> of them
20130118 22:22:52< fendrin> A feature which would ease the coding of this scenario a lot would be:
20130118 22:23:07< fendrin> SLF for [item]s.
20130118 22:24:09< mordante> I'm off bye
20130118 22:24:15< fendrin> A dropped egg on the map is at least an [item] to make it visible to the player. But I need have extra wml variables to store the dropped mordante: bye
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20130118 22:24:37< fendrin> eggs' positions.
20130118 22:25:07< fendrin> I guess being able to filter for the eggs positions would make writing an AI which takes care of them a lot easier as well.
20130118 22:25:34< fendrin> Thus I suggest that I implement SLF for [item] on the c++ side.
20130118 22:26:59< fendrin> I guess one cold code the gameplay with pure AI WML already if SLF for items exist. 
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20130118 22:32:21< fendrin> Currently I can already filter for units carrying eggs. But dropped eggs are more difficult. 
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20130118 22:33:19< fendrin> No question that a specialized lua/functional ai would do better.
20130118 22:36:29< mattsc> fendrin: sorry, I'm back now.
20130118 22:36:44< fendrin> :-)
20130118 22:38:24< mattsc> filtering for items in lua is already possible.
20130118 22:38:32< fendrin> nice to hear.
20130118 22:38:46< fendrin> That means lua can offer the [wml] tag.
20130118 22:38:52< fendrin> support
20130118 22:38:57< mattsc> I'm filtering for "rabbit holes" in one of my AIs, let me just look up how I do that...
20130118 22:40:07< mattsc> Oh, right: [store_items]
20130118 22:40:30< mattsc> So it's not a filter, but I just store them and then go through them.
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20130118 22:41:57< fendrin> ah yes
20130118 22:42:11< fendrin> I wasn't aware of [store_items] until now.
20130118 22:42:19< fendrin> Must be a newer wml feature.
20130118 22:43:28< shadowm> If 1.9.9 could be called 'new', then sure.
20130118 22:44:06< fendrin> everything beyond 1.4 is new to me. My first WML coding was with version 0.4.
20130118 22:44:27< fendrin> Back then you couldn't delete wml variables.
20130118 22:46:48< mattsc> fendrin: so are you all set now or is there anything that you'd like me to do?  I got the feeling that esr was going to look into the AI coding, but I might have misunderstood that.
20130118 22:47:13< Ivanovic> esr is getting active again?!?
20130118 22:47:23< Ivanovic> was a long time he was basically idle...
20130118 22:47:30< esr> Ivanovic: Semi-active.  Maybe.
20130118 22:47:37< shadowm> Oh no.
20130118 22:47:51< fendrin> rofl
20130118 22:47:59< esr> shadowm: My return terrifies you? :-)
20130118 22:48:06< Ivanovic> hmm, semi-active and maybe (which is 50:50 by 50:50) means quarter-active?
20130118 22:48:40< fendrin> Well, WoV needs to get finished.
20130118 22:48:58< fendrin> I will just nag ers until it is done.
20130118 22:49:03< fendrin> s/ers/esr
20130118 22:50:16< fendrin> Doing campaigns on my own is very unsatisfying and the result would be suboptimal.
20130118 22:51:44< fendrin> mattsc: Do you need some source code for the egg scenario?
20130118 22:53:17< mattsc> fendrin: sorry, I missed a step somewhere.  Does that mean you'd like me to work on an AI for it?  Or was the nagging esr part about that?
20130118 22:54:23< fendrin> mattsc: iirc esr has an idea of easy ai rules that can do the scenario. But you would need to code them.
20130118 22:54:56< shadowm> [3~e/away
20130118 22:55:03< fendrin> I can do everything game mechanic related.
20130118 22:55:43< esr> fendrin: Actually I think mattsc is trying to nudge me into modifying the Messenger Escort AI :-)
20130118 22:56:38< mattsc> esr, fendrin: starting with the ME AI was just a first idea, but yeah, if you'd want to do that ...
20130118 22:56:50< mattsc> Otherwise, the more specific the rules, the easier is the coding.
20130118 22:56:56< fendrin> Well, let's vaste your resources with prose and general campaign planning. I am sure mattsc is much quicker with the ai stuff.
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20130118 22:58:12< mattsc> I'll be pretty busy with other things for a few weeks though, so I can't promise that I'll have much time for it
20130118 22:58:40< fendrin> mattsc: WoV is already a longterm project (like every serious campaign). 
20130118 22:58:54< mattsc> Cool.  Sounds like fun then.
20130118 22:59:16< fendrin> Well, I am proud of the story and background.
20130118 22:59:48< fendrin> There is even some actual politics visible in the campaign without being offending to any side.
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20130118 23:00:35< shadowm> That statement makes an overwhelming amount of sense.
20130118 23:01:17< fendrin> s/actual/current or nowadays
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20130118 23:13:30< esr> I am probably best deployed on prose and plotting, yes.  And maps.
20130118 23:17:52< mattsc> Well, just send me your set of rules sometime (the more detailed the better), and the map/code for the scenario and I'll get going on it.
20130118 23:18:17< mattsc> Not before the end of next week though, I'll be traveling again for the next week.
20130118 23:18:28< fendrin> esr: Especially maps, since this is where I lack at most.
20130118 23:18:42< mattsc> As in, I won't get going on it before then, you can send it to me whenever you want  ;)
20130118 23:19:00< fendrin> mattsc: Where do you life, if I may ask?
20130118 23:19:16< mattsc> Vancouver Island
20130118 23:20:10< fendrin> mattsc: GMT - 6?
20130118 23:20:25< mattsc> -7, I think
20130118 23:20:43< mattsc> oh, no, that's in the summer.  -8 right now
20130118 23:21:34< fendrin> It's 15:20 at your side?
20130118 23:21:46< mattsc> 14:20
20130118 23:21:50< fendrin> uh
20130118 23:22:06< fendrin> 23:21
20130118 23:22:18< mattsc> but you're not at GMT  :)
20130118 23:22:28< fendrin> nope
20130118 23:22:55< fendrin> But I don't know exactly. We have this nasty summer/winter time thing as well.
20130118 23:23:24< fendrin> I guess we change between GMT and GMT +1 
20130118 23:23:26< fendrin> who knows
20130118 23:24:25< mattsc> No, you change between GMT+1 and GMT+2
20130118 23:24:28< fendrin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aWtseb2-4&list=PLqs5ohhass_QZtSkX06DmWOaEaadwmw_D&index=2
20130118 23:24:34< fendrin> just great :-)
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