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20130209 05:05:27< irker525> wesnoth: espreon * r56197 /trunk/ (l10n-spec l10n-track): 
20130209 05:05:27< irker525> wesnoth: Added 'nl' to l10n-spec's list of languages and updated l10n-track.
20130209 05:05:27< irker525> wesnoth: espreon * r56198 /trunk/images/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
20130209 05:05:27< irker525> wesnoth: Ran umcpropfix.
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20130209 05:05:29< irker525> wesnoth: Ran umcpopfix.
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20130209 10:26:38< mordante> servus
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20130209 10:30:21< mordante> lipkab yes the pseudo-WML initialization is a "horrible hack"
20130209 10:30:43< mordante> the WML is still in flux and it _will_ break unnoticed by me when I change something
20130209 10:31:29< mordante> I don't know who ACK'ed the patch that introduced it, but from me it would have gotten in instant NACK
20130209 10:33:14< mordante> shadowm, the id 'hack' you mention is intended, but I haven't gotten around adding namespaces to them
20130209 10:33:26< mordante> so the automatic names should only work in certain dialogues
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20130209 11:16:29< irker041> wesnoth: mordante * r56201 /trunk/src/editor/palette/unit_palette.cpp: 
20130209 11:16:29< irker041> wesnoth: Fix a Clang 3.2 error.
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20130209 11:55:28< lipkab> mordante: As I've already expressed, I don't find this problem worthy enough to make major refactors to GUI2.
20130209 11:55:40< lipkab> If you do, go ahead.
20130209 11:56:18< lipkab> And I wouldn't have brought up that patch thing, frankly. You had six months to say a NACK.
20130209 11:58:12< lipkab> (Ok, only three months for the options)
20130209 12:00:29< mordante> except that when I reviewed the patch you managed to ignore certain issues and kept adding stuff to the patch making reviewing it horrible
20130209 12:00:54< mordante> it took me several hours to review, just to get some of the same issues in the next review :-|
20130209 12:01:54< mordante> I've enough GUI2 stuff to do, which I really want to work upon
20130209 12:02:35< mordante> I'm not inclined to fix issues that are caused by ugly hacks
20130209 12:09:19< lipkab> Not sure what do you mean. You gave feedback only once on the actual code (i.e. not "more comments and less long lines please") and I fixed everything you mentioned there.
20130209 12:18:33< mordante> I'm sure I also gave feedback on the IRC chan, I mentioned style issues in the code which still remain...
20130209 12:22:58< lipkab> Things I remember: whitespaces (removed), long lines (removed), comments (added), one or two unintuitive function arguments (you couldn't come up with anything better either).
20130209 12:23:46< lipkab> Besides, none of those issues hid the true nature of mp_options.cpp, I guess.
20130209 12:25:55< mordante> true, but reviewing huge patches where old issues aren't fixed is _not_ fun
20130209 12:26:08< mordante> especially if random changes are added to that patch
20130209 12:26:42< mordante> IMO a patch should do _one_ change and not be a heap of multiple changes
20130209 12:27:09< mordante> it makes reviewing almost impossible
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20130209 12:37:44< lipkab> I still can't remember any "old issues" that I didn't change on your request.
20130209 12:38:03< lipkab> As for the single patch thing, that's just the way svn diff works.
20130209 12:38:43< lipkab> With that said, I believe that the patch could have been split up, if you asked.
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20130209 13:15:13< mordante> I mentioned style issues in the code which still remain...
20130209 13:15:35< mordante> I recall several people including me complaining it was hard to review the big patch
20130209 13:18:21< mordante> if you decide to keep that horrible code, don't complain to me when it breaks if I decide to refactor some parts of GUI2
20130209 13:32:01< irker041> wesnoth: jamit * r56202 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
20130209 13:32:01< irker041> wesnoth: Change replays to store the type ID of recruits, rather than an index into the set
20130209 13:32:01< irker041> wesnoth: of possible recruits.
20130209 13:32:02< irker041> wesnoth: Negative consequences:
20130209 13:32:02< irker041> wesnoth: * Changing a type id can break replays (but how often does this happen?).
20130209 13:32:03< irker041> wesnoth: Positive consequences:
20130209 13:32:04< irker041> wesnoth: * Different parts of the code no longer need to be kept in sync to use the same
20130209 13:32:04< irker041> wesnoth: (Log message trimmed.)
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20130209 14:05:29< mordante> Ivanovic, any plans for a new development release?
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20130209 14:17:08< AI0867> boucman: do you think any further changes to the animation format will be made soon?
20130209 14:18:35< AI0867> fendrin: could you make the "hex select" feature work on something else than a single left-click?
20130209 14:19:12< mordante> AI0867, how did the conversion to Git go?
20130209 14:20:15< mordante> fendrin, I think the "hex select" feature is confusing and against the `least surprise principle'
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20130209 14:22:07< AI0867> mordante: I got a 49 GiB fast import stream that can be imported as a 9 GiB repository
20130209 14:22:26< boucman> AI0867: yes, but still backward comptaible
20130209 14:22:27< AI0867> this is without authors or retained svn revision numbers
20130209 14:22:30< boucman> is that  a problem ?
20130209 14:22:46< AI0867> boucman: I was wondering how 'done' it is
20130209 14:22:52< bumbadadabum> <AI0867>: fendrin: could you make the "hex select" feature work on something else than a single left-click?
20130209 14:22:56< bumbadadabum> I agree with this
20130209 14:22:57< AI0867> because if it is, I'd like 1.11.2 out 'soon'
20130209 14:23:11< bumbadadabum> I have accidentally moved my units plenty of times because of the left click
20130209 14:23:29< boucman> AI0867: you can release in the current state if need be, each change is incremental
20130209 14:23:35< AI0867> it happened several times during FOSDEM on a beamer
20130209 14:23:55< bumbadadabum> oh lol
20130209 14:24:30< AI0867> mordante: but various actions cause reposurgeon to crash
20130209 14:24:41< AI0867> and importing the svn repo takes hours
20130209 14:25:05< AI0867> I'm currently waiting for esr to show up so I can file some bug reports
20130209 14:25:46< mordante> AI0867, 49 GiB is quite far away from our several TB values :-)
20130209 14:26:11< mordante> how big will the final git checkout be? My local .git directory is 1.9 GB
20130209 14:26:56< mordante> hours ain't too bad I feared days of downloading
20130209 14:27:39< AI0867> well, as I said, importing the import stream results in a 9 GiB .git dir, but that can probably be improved
20130209 14:28:01< mordante> and it was aggressively repacked?
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20130209 14:28:11< mordante> too bad reposurgeon doesn't work out of the box yet
20130209 14:28:21< AI0867> I'm repacking now
20130209 14:28:50< mordante> ah ok
20130209 14:29:12< mordante> I expect it to be around 1.8 GB or even less
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20130209 14:40:16< AI0867> Counting objects: 744340, done.
20130209 14:40:16< AI0867> Delta compression using up to 8 threads.
20130209 14:40:16< AI0867> fatal: Out of memory? mmap failed: Cannot allocate memory
20130209 14:40:16< AI0867> error: failed to run repack
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20130209 14:43:24< mordante> autsch
20130209 14:44:12< AI0867> yeah
20130209 14:44:18< AI0867> now running git repack
20130209 14:44:49< AI0867> which increased the size to 18 GiB
20130209 14:44:50< AI0867> somehow
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20130209 14:48:23< AI0867> this seems to have reduced the memory requirements of git gc though
20130209 14:48:40< AI0867> it's halfway and 'only' using 1.6 GiB
20130209 14:53:59< AI0867> at 72% now, but it's already given up on one pack due to memory constraints
20130209 14:57:06< mordante> maybe repack needs other parameters to reduce the size
20130209 15:01:56< AI0867> I gave it -A
20130209 15:05:47< mordante> will it seems -A leaves garbage to be collected later
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20130209 15:15:06< AI0867> 1.4 GiB now
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20130209 15:33:22< mordante> AI0867, 1.4 GB is the final size?
20130209 15:37:22< AI0867> yeah
20130209 15:37:54< mordante> that's a nice number, more the amount I was expecting
20130209 15:40:19< AI0867> it's 1.5 GB btw ;)
20130209 15:41:19< AI0867> 1453092 KiB to be precise
20130209 15:41:57 * mordante grumbles about xB and xiB
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20130209 15:54:19< fendrin> AI0867: hi
20130209 15:54:29< fendrin> AI0867: I think I will remove the feature again.
20130209 15:54:42< Soliton> \o/
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20130209 16:14:18< mordante> fendrin, I'm in favour
20130209 16:17:36< fendrin> mordante: Did you pay at 2go4?
20130209 16:18:29< mordante> fendrin, I paid for Ivanovic, AI0867 paid for you
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20130209 16:40:08< fendrin> zookeeper: the map does not need to be exactly in 4:3?
20130209 16:48:29< zookeeper> fendrin, it does
20130209 16:53:31< zookeeper> well, technically it doesn't, but i don't promise the folds to look nice if the ratio varies a lot. also it doesn't gain you any extra space, so there's no reason to do so AFAICT.
20130209 16:53:57< zookeeper> i'll still cap the height to 960
20130209 17:00:28< fendrin> zookeeper: My preferred part of the map is 1.4:1.0 while 4:3 means 1.33:1.0. 
20130209 17:02:02< irker041> wesnoth: espreon * r56203 /branches/1.10/ (10 files in 7 dirs): 
20130209 17:02:02< irker041> wesnoth: Ported the Dutch BfW and TRoW logos to 1.10.
20130209 17:06:30< zookeeper> fendrin, why is that a problem?
20130209 17:07:35< fendrin> Well, it isn't really a problem.
20130209 17:08:06< fendrin> I have found a 4:3 cut that also seems to look nice.
20130209 17:08:25< irker041> wesnoth: mordante * r56204 /trunk/ (src/utils/foreach.tpp changelog): 
20130209 17:08:25< irker041> wesnoth: Adds a FOREACH macro.
20130209 17:08:26< irker041> wesnoth: The macro emulates C++11 for(... : ...) style loops.
20130209 17:08:46< zookeeper> well, good
20130209 17:09:03< irker041> wesnoth: espreon * r56205 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
20130209 17:09:03< irker041> wesnoth: Ran wesnoth-optipng on the new Dutch images:
20130209 17:09:04< irker041> wesnoth: Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20130209 17:09:04< irker041> wesnoth:   Original size: 65 KiB on 1 files
20130209 17:09:05< irker041> wesnoth:  Optimized size: 63 KiB
20130209 17:09:05< irker041> wesnoth:    Total saving: 2 KiB = 4% decrease
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20130209 17:12:00< zookeeper> what the...
20130209 17:12:01< Espreon> Mein Gott!
20130209 17:12:02< irker041> wesnoth: mordante * r56239 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/mp_create_game.cpp: 
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20130209 17:12:27< irker041> wesnoth: Replace BOOST_FOREACH with FOREACH.
20130209 17:12:27< Espreon> mordante: And why does this have to be in a trillion commits?
20130209 17:12:29< irker041> wesnoth: mordante * r56249 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/generator_private.hpp: 
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20130209 17:13:05< zookeeper> good grief
20130209 17:13:05< irker041> wesnoth: mordante * r56263 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/pane.cpp: 
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20130209 17:13:16< vultraz> what the...
20130209 17:13:40< vultraz> why are these all separate commits o_O
20130209 17:14:14< zookeeper> because he's using git-svn (i think) and hopefully that was just an accident
20130209 17:14:18< mordante> since I prefer small commits, if it breaks something you can bi-sect the issue
20130209 17:14:39< zookeeper> mordante, no wonder you're #1 in the number of commits :p
20130209 17:15:05< mordante> and instead of searching is a mega-patch you have a small patch, making finding the issue easier
20130209 17:15:32< mordante> and git-svn indeed helps to collect such a set of patches quite easily
20130209 17:15:56< fendrin> zookeeper: http://imagebin.org/246066
20130209 17:16:29< fendrin> zookeeper: Is that what you need? And the locations in a list with coordinates?
20130209 17:16:35< mordante> zookeeper, if that was the goal I could have make this patchset even larger :-P
20130209 17:17:19< zookeeper> fendrin, i just need to know where to put the symbols and labels, i don't need coordinates. but if that's easier for you then i guess that's ok
20130209 17:18:53< fendrin> zookeeper: I could also add them to the map image.
20130209 17:20:48< zookeeper> yes, that's what i was expecting
20130209 17:21:41< zookeeper> just mark the spots and land features on which you want labels, i'll figure out the exact placement on the final version based on what looks nicest
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20130209 17:27:49< timotei> 1/clear
20130209 17:29:19< mordante> I'm working on bug #20468 and wonder, if the terrain underneath you becomes a village should you automatically capture it? (set_terrain doesn't do it)
20130209 17:30:38< vultraz> I would say yes
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20130209 17:51:55< zookeeper> mordante, sounds more reasonable that way, yes.
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20130209 17:53:47< Espreon> Perhaps a key should be added for that.
20130209 17:53:55< Espreon> Just... ... maybe.
20130209 17:58:30< lipkab> mordante: Given the pace of GUI2 development, I think I'll be able to keep mp_options up to date :P
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20130209 18:01:19< mordante> lipkab, :-|
20130209 18:02:15< lipkab> How grumpy.
20130209 18:02:48< Espreon> ('Tis a sad fact, but... mu)
20130209 18:03:22< mordante> lipkab, yes I really dislike your code
20130209 18:04:06< Espreon> (He probably hates mine even more)
20130209 18:04:20< Espreon> (Especially since it's there to support a supposed archaism)
20130209 18:04:24< bumbadadabum> (I hate Espreon's even more)
20130209 18:04:32< lipkab> Espreon: You've got code?
20130209 18:04:56< Espreon> bumbadadabum: I do.
20130209 18:05:03< Espreon> Whoops.
20130209 18:05:09< Espreon> lipkab: Yeah, I've indeed got code.
20130209 18:05:37< Espreon> bumbadadabum: No, you know you love my code.
20130209 18:06:06< bumbadadabum> Espreon: I don't understand your macros in summoners.cfg
20130209 18:06:18< bumbadadabum> I wouldn't have done it that way
20130209 18:06:25< bumbadadabum> or your variable names
20130209 18:06:28< bumbadadabum> but I guess they work
20130209 18:07:32< Espreon> bumbadadabum: No, not that code!
20130209 18:07:40< Espreon> I mean C++ code.
20130209 18:07:59< Espreon> bumbadadabum: And stop pretending to be vultraz.
20130209 18:08:19 * bumbadadabum is listening to One Direction
20130209 18:08:31< bumbadadabum> I'm not pretending to be vultraz
20130209 18:08:59< Espreon> Bah.
20130209 18:10:04< lipkab> mordante: In a way, you're responsible, too, that that thing could slip in :P
20130209 18:10:33< Espreon> Hoo boy.
20130209 18:15:47< mordante> lipkab, if you start to blame me for being responsible I _will_ fix it in the way _I_ prefer
20130209 18:16:12< Espreon> That is, revert fucking everything.
20130209 18:16:19< vultraz> Hoo boy...
20130209 18:16:32< lipkab> mordante: I didn't blame you. It was a _joke_.
20130209 18:17:17< mordante> lipkab, I don't like that kind of jokes
20130209 18:17:34< Espreon> 'Twas a good joke, though.
20130209 18:18:11< AI0867> lipkab: I've seen the C++, but what does it do? (that is, which part of the GUI does it provide)
20130209 18:19:42< lipkab> AI0867: It takes some data from add-ons and generates a dialog from them. The entered values are later translated into WML variables in-game.
20130209 18:21:03< AI0867> okay, but where can I see this happen?
20130209 18:21:36< lipkab> Oh well. In the multiplayer game creation screen, click "Options...".
20130209 18:22:14< lipkab> You'll have to have some add-on which supports it though.
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20130209 18:24:42< vultraz> lipkab: are there any?
20130209 18:25:43< lipkab> vultraz: I don't know of any on the add-ons server, GambCiv's git version already has it.
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20130209 18:27:51< vultraz> would be nice if these were accessible in SP as well as MP
20130209 18:27:57< vultraz> but I guess you gotta start somewhere
20130209 18:31:12< mordante> vultraz, zookeeper Espreon I'll add the capturing of villages later
20130209 18:31:41< Espreon> All right.
20130209 18:33:45< AI0867> lipkab: ah okay, that feature
20130209 18:34:05< irker041> wesnoth: mordante * r56264 /trunk/ (src/game_events.cpp players_changelog changelog): 
20130209 18:34:05< irker041> wesnoth: Fixed updating the owned villages for replace_map.
20130209 18:34:05< irker041> wesnoth: This disown villages that no longer exist after the replacement.
20130209 18:34:06< irker041> wesnoth: Capturing villages at places now a village will be added later.
20130209 18:34:08< irker041> wesnoth: (Fixes bug #20468.)
20130209 18:34:28< AI0867> I thought about implementing something similar with a listbox, but it didn't like it much when the contents changed
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20130209 18:51:41< mordante> loonycyborg, could you confirm this issue? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20388
20130209 18:52:36< loonycyborg> I remember talking to people in russian in MP in the past
20130209 18:54:18< loonycyborg> And entering russian letters in text fields seems to work for me
20130209 18:54:53< mordante> ok thanks
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20130209 19:31:54< irker041> wesnoth: jamit * r56265 /trunk/players_changelog: 
20130209 19:31:55< irker041> wesnoth: Grammar fix.
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20130209 20:26:08< anonymissimus> jamit: I think r56170 looks bad and is slow
20130209 20:27:47< mordante> thanks for the fix jamit 
20130209 20:33:11< anonymissimus> jamit: did the way shroud is updated while moving without DSU enabled change as well ? It looks as if in both cases shroud is now updated "step by step" as opposed to "all at once" at the end of the move.
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20130209 20:39:10< anonymissimus> at least this gradual shroud removing feels slow, since I cannot overview the whole unshrouded area at once and need to wait a bit
20130209 20:39:26< jamit> anonymissimus: Yes, shroud updates while moving changed, but that was back when the enter/exit hex events were added many months ago.
20130209 20:40:01< anonymissimus> well, this is first time I play some campaign since a year perhaps
20130209 20:40:25< shadowm> mordante: Yeah, I doubt that hack would exist if it weren't intended. Still, shouldn't that be handled by the individual dialogs implementation?
20130209 20:41:02< mordante> shadowm, some should, others should be global. Mainly ok and cancel
20130209 20:41:04< jamit> If the clearing after delayed updates is too slow, it can be changed back easily enough. But maybe give it some time to see if it grows on you?
20130209 20:41:05< anonymissimus> you get real feedback on such things only once a new stable release comes out
20130209 20:41:22< anonymissimus> except for a few people who play with trunk
20130209 20:42:07< anonymissimus> then you can read unfriendly complaints in the forum and such, from people who never do something or speak otherwise
20130209 20:42:21< shadowm> mordante: Okay, come on, you didn't actually need a single commit for every s/BOOST_FOREACH/FOREACH/g change.
20130209 20:43:16< anonymissimus> jamit: I think I've seen enough to decide I don't like it
20130209 20:44:50< mordante> shadowm, of course I didn't need it, except if it breaks something I don't like to review a 78KB patch
20130209 20:45:31< mordante> I also don't see what the issue is with splitting a patch in smaller parts :-/
20130209 20:46:14< shadowm> The issue is that we can't have commit count contests this way. .(
20130209 20:46:24< jamit> anonymissimus: I think the speed could be doubled relatively easily, but that might not be enough for someone eager to get on to the next step.
20130209 20:46:45< shadowm> (Incidentally, git bisect start can work with specific paths of a tree. I didn't know that.)
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20130209 20:48:27< jamit> I don't suppose anyone else has tried playing with delayed shroud updates recently? Feedback from more people would be good.
20130209 20:48:59< mordante> I don't care about a commit count contest, I care about patches doing one thing at a time
20130209 20:49:01< shadowm> I have made a point of staying away from trunk for as long as I can.
20130209 20:49:47< mordante> what do you mean with `git bisect start can work with specific paths of a tree' ? (I guess I'm about to learn something)
20130209 20:50:21< shadowm> I haven't tried it myself, but the git bisect manpage says: "You can further cut down the number of trials, if you know what part of the tree is involved in the problem you are tracking down, by specifying path parameters when issuing the bisect start command:"
20130209 20:51:27< shadowm> Example command provided: $ git bisect start -- arch/i386 include/asm-i386
20130209 20:52:11< shadowm> Anyway, the thing with that kind of changes is that if they break somewhere specific, odds are are that they are actually silently breaking stuff in more places.
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20130209 20:52:50< shadowm> Because I assume you have ensured that if they break it wouldn't be because of a compile-time syntax issue.
20130209 20:54:52< mordante> interesting to know about the bisecting
20130209 20:55:51< mordante> I indeed compiled every commit before committing it
20130209 20:56:12< anonymissimus> jamit: a possibility is too force another setting for this into our overcrowded preferences, of course
20130209 20:57:09< anonymissimus> the fate of preferences is to become overcrowded in order to solve issues when people don't agree about how things should be ;)
20130209 20:57:19< shadowm> fendrin: So the hex selection feature is going to be reverted?
20130209 20:58:03< shadowm> anonymissimus: I think people should come to a consensus about whatever kind of thing you are discussing instead of adding more options to Preferences.
20130209 20:58:17< anonymissimus> but I think the main reason why I don't like it is not that it's slow CPU-wise, but the fact that I need to wait a bit until I see everything I would have seen previously
20130209 20:58:20< mordante> indeed OAB
20130209 20:58:23< shadowm> Unless mordante will dedicate a single night to writing a working paging mechanism for GUI2 for me.
20130209 20:58:44< mordante> if it were only a single night of work...
20130209 20:58:46< shadowm> Then I'm willing to convert Preferences in such a way everyone can spam thousands of options.
20130209 20:58:47< jamit> anonymissimus: But "options are bad", right? :) If there's more negative feedback about it, I'll certainly undo it. If there's no more feedback either way... well, I'll certainly think about it some more.
20130209 20:59:40< anonymissimus> jamit: as for the gradual update during moves without DSU, there it is different; the update happens earlier than it did previously
20130209 20:59:45< jamit> Probably revert it since I'm not strongly for it myself.
20130209 20:59:54< shadowm> (But no, seriously, I don't think we should encourage having an option for every single feature.)
20130209 21:00:15< anonymissimus> but I almost always play with DSU enabled only
20130209 21:02:03< mordante> regarding the village capturing upon changing the map/terrain, should it reduce the movement points to 0 or will the unit be allowed to move after the `capturing' ?
20130209 21:07:42< zookeeper> mordante, urgh, good question
20130209 21:08:06< zookeeper> well, i mean, units should definitely not lose movement just because someone changed the terrain underneath them
20130209 21:08:34< zookeeper> but the alternative could lead to funny situations too... but on the other hand, that's the scenario author's responsibility
20130209 21:08:57< mordante> that is what happens now in the code I give the village to the team and the code doesn't magically change the movement points
20130209 21:09:14< mordante> so I would need to add that behaviour if wanted
20130209 21:09:16< zookeeper> are capture events fired?
20130209 21:09:25< mordante> no, but they could be fired
20130209 21:09:47< zookeeper> when you first mentioned it i figured it'd be a simple change, but now i'm starting to lean towards "don't do anything, the scenario designer needs to take those things into account anyway"
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20130209 21:11:25< mordante> the code changes are simple ;-) but I agree the choices are less simple
20130209 21:11:51< mordante> (and I don't want to add extra flags to the WML for this case)
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20130209 21:14:14< jamit> The village capturing could be handled via WML if the author wanted it, along with zapping remaining movement. Is that what is meant by "the scenario designer needs to take those things into account"?
20130209 21:14:29< mordante> yes
20130209 21:14:55< zookeeper> so i'll go ahead and change my mind: please don't make anything happen to village ownership or unit movement :P
20130209 21:15:09< jamit> OK, so I am following the discussion. :)
20130209 21:18:52< mordante> ok, I'll add a note to the wiki and some comment in the source why we don't capture villages
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20130209 21:24:19< shadowm> mordante: Out of curiosity, what is GUI2's implementation modelled after?
20130209 21:24:49< mordante> shadowm, what do you exactly mean with that question?
20130209 21:24:57< anonymissimus> the preferences discussion reminds me of freeciv; when I checked out a new version some time ago I need an hour to work through and understand all of their settings or so, before I can create a new game ;)
20130209 21:25:38< anonymissimus> but they at least have them grouped in tabs
20130209 21:25:55< shadowm> mordante: Is GUI2's internal implementation (NOT the WML interface) modelled after something you have previously worked on or researched yourself, or is it all your own doing?
20130209 21:26:36< shadowm> I mean, for example, I've seen that the implementation of a single widget in the C++ side is actually distributed amongst different classes in different files.
20130209 21:26:40< shadowm> For some reason.
20130209 21:26:44< mordante> my own doing
20130209 21:27:20< shadowm> Uh huh.
20130209 21:27:27< mordante> why?
20130209 21:27:57< shadowm> I said "out of curiosity".
20130209 21:28:11< shadowm> Is curosity not a good enough reason to ask?
20130209 21:28:21< mordante> more why regarding the Uh huh?
20130209 21:28:41< shadowm> That was more like a nod.
20130209 21:29:02< mordante> curiosity is a very good reason for asking
20130209 21:29:03< mordante> ok
20130209 21:29:05< shadowm> (A slightly underwhelmed nod, maybe.)
20130209 21:30:05< shadowm> I saw so much stuff going on with simpler widgets that I abandoned my plan to make a multiline GUI2 textbox before I even started.
20130209 21:31:27< shadowm> A pity too, because GUI1's multiline textbox implementation is broken by design and I needed a multiline textbox for the feature I wanted to code.
20130209 21:35:04< mordante> not sure how hard a multi-line textbox is
20130209 21:35:46< mordante> guess it's a good point in time to bump the pango requirement...
20130209 21:36:16< shadowm> What would be the advantages?
20130209 21:36:36< mordante> there were issues with setting the height in some parts
20130209 21:36:59< mordante> parts regarding multi-line texts
20130209 21:38:52< mordante> at the moment we require 1.14 and Debian stable has 1.28
20130209 21:49:18< shadowm> boucman, Ivanovic, mordante: Have we created an organization at Github yet?
20130209 21:49:33< boucman> not that I know of
20130209 21:52:27< shadowm> Yeah, apparently not.
20130209 21:54:53< mordante> no but I also think we haven't asked them whether our repro is too large
20130209 21:55:15< shadowm> Frogatto exceeded their soft-limit and I don't think they've had problems.
20130209 21:55:56< mordante> I don't expect problems, but we should ask before moving
20130209 21:56:06< shadowm> It's 1.1 GiB.
20130209 21:56:24< shadowm> Wesnoth is approx. 1.5 GiB
20130209 21:56:28< mordante> their soft-limit or frogratto
20130209 21:56:35< shadowm> Frogatto.
20130209 21:57:03< mordante> ok IIRC the soft-limit is 300 MB
20130209 21:58:45< shadowm> https://help.github.com/articles/what-is-my-disk-quota   
20130209 21:58:59< mordante> I just found the same article ;-)
20130209 21:59:38 * mordante wonders how to reduce the size of a git repository...
20130209 21:59:49< shadowm> It's possible Frogatto's repository size on Github is smaller than 1 GiB since I don't think I've ever run git gc --aggressive on my downstream clone.
20130209 22:00:07< shadowm> No idea if Github does that upstream from time to time.
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20130209 22:00:54< shadowm> I know I brought my Wesnoth git-svn repository from over 2 GiB to 1.5 GiB this way some time ago.
20130209 22:01:16< boucman> hmm, we might have to remove old files from history???
20130209 22:01:27< boucman>  /???/...
20130209 22:01:31< mordante> seems possible https://help.github.com/articles/remove-sensitive-data
20130209 22:01:46< shadowm> I think it's best to go with mordante's idea of asking them about it first.
20130209 22:01:49< timotei> We can remove that huge Apple-related commit.
20130209 22:01:57< timotei> (Or wasn't it huge?)
20130209 22:02:10< ChrisOelmueller> don't suppose they'd ask you to rewrite your history just to fit a limit, yeah
20130209 22:02:12< mordante> it was a lot of files, not sure how big it was
20130209 22:02:24< ChrisOelmueller> can't hurt to ask before either however
20130209 22:02:57< mordante> well it's a free service so they can set limits
20130209 22:03:08< mordante> the other option is a paid account
20130209 22:03:42< shadowm> Okay, correction, I had brought down my git-svn repository from ~ 2.2 GiB ot ~ 1.6 GiB.
20130209 22:04:19< ChrisOelmueller> we're way below the limit still i guess, not even halfway there
20130209 22:04:28< shadowm> *to
20130209 22:04:44< mordante> ChrisOelmueller, we're about 1.5 times the limit ;-)
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20130209 22:05:42< shadowm> Ran git gc --aggressive on my Frogatto clone and it's still 1.1 GiB.
20130209 22:06:38< shadowm> Re Wesnoth, I think it'd help to make branches/resources/ and website/ separate repositories to begin with.
20130209 22:06:50< timotei> mordante: Paid accounts give just a number x of private repos and they don't have anything about space IIRC.
20130209 22:06:52< shadowm> branches/resources/ has some large .XCF files that probably don't deltify very well.
20130209 22:07:12< shadowm> website/ is lightweight but it doesn't belong in the main repository either way.
20130209 22:07:30< boucman> branches/rseousrc should probably not be migrated to git, or be migrated to a different git repo
20130209 22:08:04< shadowm> I think it would benefit from being a separate Git repository.
20130209 22:08:57< shadowm> Some stats not including history: http://pastebin.com/eL1DtVyX
20130209 22:09:28< shadowm> cartograpgy-tools and image-localization are the largest directories and they are also the ones that receive changes most often.
20130209 22:10:22< mordante> timotei, no idea, never looked at paid accounts
20130209 22:10:43< shadowm> Okay, maybe not that often; image-localization has 38 commits, last one on May 2012.
20130209 22:10:49< mordante> shadowm, yeah separating website and resources might be a good idea
20130209 22:11:12< shadowm> cartograpgy-tools has 68 commits, last one on September 2010.
20130209 22:11:29< shadowm> But since zookeeper is working on new maps, I expect a few large commits to land there soon.
20130209 22:12:13< timotei> mordante: https://github.com/plans
20130209 22:13:19< shadowm> Yeah, it doesn't seem like a paid plan would benefit us in any significant way.
20130209 22:13:26< mordante> timotei, "If your repository exceeds 1GB, you might receive a polite email from support requesting that you reduce the size of the repository to bring it back down under 1GB."
20130209 22:13:48< mordante> I'm not sure whether they also send that email to paying customers
20130209 22:14:06< mordante> also I'm quite sure they listed 300 MB in the past
20130209 22:14:23< timotei> It's 1 GB now. :)
20130209 22:14:24< shadowm> Yes, that was in the past. ;)
20130209 22:14:45< shadowm> I remember the quota meter was also visible in every repository page back then.
20130209 22:15:03< shadowm> That is no longer the case.
20130209 22:15:06< timotei> Given the fact that 1 GB is like ..$ 0.05
20130209 22:15:26< mordante> yeah but why is 1 GB a the best maximum size of a repository?
20130209 22:16:08< shadowm> They probably just want to mitigate abuse (warez, etc.)
20130209 22:16:26< boucman> I guess the problem is not storgae size, but bandwith
20130209 22:16:38< boucman> popular, multi-GB projects could be a burden
20130209 22:19:16< mordante> of course they might increase the limit soon, the Linux kernel is getting rather close to the limit ;-)
20130209 22:19:50< shadowm> I always thought the Linux kernel was far above that limit.
20130209 22:20:12< lipkab> The kernel is not staying there for too long IIRC.
20130209 22:22:04< shadowm> Which kernel repository? ;)
20130209 22:22:34< mordante> my kernel checkout is 987M (Linus' repository)
20130209 22:23:04< mordante> yes they moved back to kernel.org after it was up and running again
20130209 22:23:42< shadowm> Mainly because Linus doesn't like Github.
20130209 22:24:15< shadowm> Interestingly, this seems to be a thing: https://github.com/mirrors
20130209 22:24:37< shadowm> Official-looking Github thing too.
20130209 22:27:53< mordante> indeed looks quite official
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20130209 22:42:12< mordante> I'm off night
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20130209 22:57:02< irker314> wesnoth: mordante * r56266 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20130209 22:57:02< irker314> wesnoth: Add comment about changing terrains.
20130209 22:57:02< irker314> wesnoth: When changing terrains for villages they will disown teams when needed,
20130209 22:57:02< irker314> wesnoth: but never capture for a team. This commit explains why this hasn't been
20130209 22:57:02< irker314> wesnoth: done. (The information is also on the wiki.)
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20130209 23:49:41< lipkab> If I fire an event in Lua in mp, does it fire on all clients, or just the host?
20130209 23:50:07< lipkab> Shame that anonymissimus has just left...
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