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20130210 00:00:56< lipkab> Only the host, it seems :(
20130210 00:06:21< lipkab> Oh we have wesnoth.synchronize_choice :)
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20130210 08:23:19< mordante> servus
20130210 08:23:33< Espreon> Good morning.
20130210 08:23:39< mordante> hi Espreon 
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20130210 09:20:42< mordante> jamit, what is the exact issue with https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20327 ? Or better said what did you hope to achieve?
20130210 09:27:08< shadowm> Sounds like that is explained in the second paragraph.
20130210 09:29:35< mordante> yeah but I wonder why somebody wants to change it, for that matter I also wonder what r55268 tries to achieve
20130210 09:30:16< shadowm> Probably because as I recall fendrin wanted to turn Wesnoth into a generic tile-based game engine around that time.
20130210 09:31:12< mordante> fendrin, any insight on r55268 and its related bug 20327?
20130210 09:32:23< fendrin> mordante: Yes, I know why it fails, it is on my todo.
20130210 09:33:00< mordante> fendrin, ok, but what is the goal of the change?
20130210 09:33:25< mordante> at first I thought it was left-over DNA from tiny-gui
20130210 09:34:17< fendrin> Well, it can be used on small gui devices like phones or with mods that introduce different graphic tiles.
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20130210 10:21:31< irker314> wesnoth: mordante * r56267 /trunk/ (src/savegame.cpp changelog): 
20130210 10:21:31< irker314> wesnoth: Fixed terminating due to a corrupt savegame.
20130210 10:21:32< irker314> wesnoth: When in the load dialog a corrupt savegame was selected the game would
20130210 10:21:32< irker314> wesnoth: terminate due to an unhandled exception. If the savegame was the newest
20130210 10:21:33< irker314> wesnoth: savegame it was no longer possible to open the dialog at all.
20130210 10:21:34< irker314> wesnoth: (Fixes bug #20290.)
20130210 10:21:37< irker314> wesnoth: mordante * r56268 /trunk/src/savegame.cpp: 
20130210 10:21:37< irker314> wesnoth: Catch an exception by const reference.
20130210 10:21:38< irker314> wesnoth: A const reference is preferred over a normal reference, also minor
20130210 10:21:38< irker314> wesnoth: coding style fixes.
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20130210 10:25:09< irker314> wesnoth: mordante * r56269 /branches/1.10/ (src/savegame.cpp changelog): 
20130210 10:25:09< irker314> wesnoth: Fixed terminating due to a corrupt savegame.
20130210 10:25:10< irker314> wesnoth: When in the load dialog a corrupt savegame was selected the game would
20130210 10:25:10< irker314> wesnoth: terminate due to an unhandled exception. If the savegame was the newest
20130210 10:25:11< irker314> wesnoth: savegame it was no longer possible to open the dialog at all.
20130210 10:25:11< irker314> wesnoth: (Fixes bug #20290, backported from r56267.)
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20130210 10:46:53< irker314> wesnoth: mordante * r56270 /trunk/ (changelog src/preferences.cpp): 
20130210 10:46:53< irker314> wesnoth: Fixes terminating due to corrupt preferences.
20130210 10:46:55< irker314> wesnoth: (Fixes bug #19970, partly fixes FR #20366.)
20130210 10:52:29< irker314> wesnoth: mordante * r56271 /branches/1.10/ (changelog src/preferences.cpp): 
20130210 10:52:29< irker314> wesnoth: Fixes terminating due to corrupt preferences.
20130210 10:52:30< irker314> wesnoth: (Fixes bug #19970, partly fixes FR #20366, backported from revision #56270.)
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20130210 11:07:29< shadowm> mordante: FR #nnnnnn doesn't result in a CC for the relevant issue at gna.org.
20130210 11:08:10< mordante> shadowm, :-(
20130210 11:08:25< shadowm> And I personally feel GUI feedback is necessary since this is a game that doesn't always have a visible console attached to it.
20130210 11:08:50< shadowm> Otherwise it just results in bad user experience.
20130210 11:09:29< mordante> I feel the issue should be rare enough to be handled in the log only
20130210 11:09:46< mordante> but as I said feel free to add GUI feedback
20130210 11:09:48< shadowm> Some people may feel strongly about losing whatever was in their preferences file before breaking, too.
20130210 11:12:55< shadowm> For being such a rare issue, it's actually cropped up in feedback more than I personally feel comfortable with, as a developer. Not sure if that's because of hardware of software issues with their storage, but as I mention in the same FR, it is possible to deliberately corrupt the preferences file.
20130210 11:13:11< shadowm> Well, accidentally.
20130210 11:13:56< shadowm> What I haven't investigated yet is whether we keep any state from add-ons that could be a corruption vector.
20130210 11:13:58< mordante> yes it is possible to do it deliberately, but if you manually start to modify preferences better make a backup before you do
20130210 11:14:25< mordante> if the game itself manages to break the preferences file I consider that a bug
20130210 11:15:07< mordante> if it is due to user modifications I expect people to either have a backup or not care about the file's contents
20130210 11:15:32< shadowm> Okay, it doesn't look like the preferences file holds any L-side state from add-ons.
20130210 11:16:12< shadowm> Only the persistent variables store and saved games are definitely subject to that flaw.
20130210 11:16:44< shadowm> (And in fact, I've seen people encouraging its use as a method to prevent people from save-reloading on certain add-ons.)
20130210 11:23:21< shadowm> (In case it isn't clear, L-side here stands for attribute names, as in attribute_name=attribute_value.)
20130210 11:23:41< shadowm> (Or alternatively, node labels, as in [tag].)
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20130210 12:06:58< shadowm> :inspect tends to be utterly useless on a  1280x800 screen.
20130210 12:07:47< shadowm> And it uses GUI2.
20130210 12:11:05< shadowm> Example: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/inspect-being-crap.png
20130210 12:11:19< shadowm> There's absolutely no way to see the WML of the selected unit with that layout.
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20130210 12:12:27< vultraz> fire dragon?!
20130210 12:13:50< shadowm> I knew it was a good idea to manipulate the screenshot before linking to it.
20130210 12:13:59< shadowm> No, silly, the Fire Dragon is a test target.
20130210 12:14:45< vultraz> Whew
20130210 12:14:56< vultraz> I thought you were going to make us fight a Fire Dragon
20130210 12:18:18< shadowm> No, that would be incredibly stupid.
20130210 12:18:20< shadowm> The Fire Dragon is a joke.
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20130210 12:18:41< shadowm> You will fight something that has 550 HP instead.
20130210 12:22:16< vultraz> @.@
20130210 12:22:43< vultraz> IMPOSSIBRU
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20130210 12:52:53< jamit> mordante: Regarding bug 20327, I had seen the log message for r55268, but did not understand what it meant, so I went ahead and tried configuring the tile size. Nothing happened (other than the z-order getting messed up sometimes).
20130210 12:53:35< jamit> The issue is that that half of r55268 accomplished nothing. What I hoped to achieve was discovering what that revision hoped to achieve.
20130210 12:54:25< jamit> I ended up asking fendrin about it here (in IRC) to make sure I was not looking at the wrong thing. It turned out my guesses were reasonably close to the intent; it just did not work.
20130210 12:55:12< jamit> I did not know about the intended application to small gui devices -- I would have thought defining a default zoom would be simpler since that would not require a whole different set of tile images.
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20130210 14:06:12< mordante> jamit, ok
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20130210 15:46:09< wesbot> lipkab: The person with the nick faabumc last spoke 44d 6h ago.  44d 5h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Quit: Ex-Chat
20130210 15:46:29< lipkab> :(
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20130210 15:57:21< irker166> wesnoth: ivanovic * r56272 /trunk/ (9 files in 8 dirs): 
20130210 15:57:21< irker166> wesnoth: updated Chinese (Traditional) translation
20130210 15:57:22< irker166> wesnoth: ivanovic * r56273 /branches/1.10/ (9 files in 8 dirs): 
20130210 15:57:22< irker166> wesnoth: updated Chinese (Traditional) translation
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20130210 16:34:32< mordante> jamit, regarding r56153 why change from int to long?
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20130210 19:32:29< Espreon> This github talk's getting scary IMO.
20130210 19:32:35< Espreon> ... splitting things...
20130210 19:37:54< Ivanovic> mordante, everyone else who cares: no release possible from my side until the 18th (and then only when me getting internet in the new flat on that date really works as hoped)
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20130210 19:44:49< mordante> Ivanovic, yeah I read it on the mailing list
20130210 19:44:56< Espreon> Excellent.
20130210 19:44:59< mordante> Ivanovic, moving again?
20130210 19:45:47< Ivanovic> doing the "real" move
20130210 19:45:55 * mordante read some horror about getting telephone/internet connections up and running...
20130210 19:46:22< Ivanovic> for the past 11 month i have been staying in an appartement (appartement which is part of a hotel, meaning it includes (crappy) wifi)
20130210 19:46:25< mordante> from the hotel to a real house/appartement?
20130210 19:46:31< Ivanovic> yeah, to a real flat
20130210 19:47:12< Ivanovic> currently i am busy spending lots of money to get the nessessities like e.g. a bed, a washing machine, ...
20130210 19:47:16< mordante> in the same area or further away from work?
20130210 19:47:43< Ivanovic> and next weekend my parents will come over to help me assemble all the furniture and on the 18th i'll be finalizing the move into the new flat
20130210 19:47:49< Ivanovic> rougly the same area
20130210 19:47:57< Ivanovic> instead of 1.5km it will be 8km
20130210 19:49:55< mordante> ok, well have fun moving then
20130210 19:50:31< mordante> Espreon, any reason why not to release?
20130210 19:50:53< Ivanovic> already assembled my new desktop box, over the weekend i installed the OS and i just carried the tower, display and stuff into the new flat
20130210 19:51:05< Ivanovic> so yeah, next weekend i should finally have a powerful box over here, too
20130210 19:51:24< Ivanovic> (those ivy bridge xeon really have some decent bang for the buck!)
20130210 19:52:15< mordante> doesn't sound to bad a new box :-)
20130210 19:52:18< Ivanovic> essentially a core i7-3 just 100MHz less and no integrated gpu means a saving of some 60€ (200€ vs 260€)
20130210 19:53:09< Ivanovic> xeon 1230v2 (3.3GHz default clock), 16gb ram, 256 crucial m4 ssd, 2tb toshiba hdd, radeon 7870 2gb, ...
20130210 19:53:38< Ivanovic> compiling a complete gentoo (emerge -e world) with kde, libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird, ... took less than 12h
20130210 19:53:55< Ivanovic> a lovely number cruncher
20130210 19:53:56< Ivanovic> :)
20130210 19:54:01< mordante> yep
20130210 19:54:41 * mordante recalls compiling linux from scratch were just compiling OpenOffice took about 16 hours...
20130210 19:55:27< Ivanovic> yeah, those were the old days...
20130210 19:55:49< mordante> still quite happy with my box, but I notice compiling Wesnoth starts to take longer again...
20130210 19:56:36< Ivanovic> over the last 11 month i just had my core2duo 1.5ghz laptop
20130210 19:56:56< Ivanovic> and of course my desktop box on the weekends
20130210 19:57:13< AI0867> http://bash.org/?4424
20130210 19:57:27 * Ivanovic is really looking forward to using his 27" samsung screen over here...
20130210 19:57:59< Espreon> mordante: I have some stuff to commit.
20130210 19:58:18< Espreon> ... ... well... after I actually make the work... ... existent.
20130210 19:59:23< mordante> AI0867, nice
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20130210 19:59:45< irker039> wesnoth: boucman * r56274 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20130210 19:59:45< irker039> wesnoth: apply patch 3678 by Coffee, more syntax simplification
20130210 19:59:59< mordante> Espreon, ok, but since we normally release in the weekends you would at least have a week ;-)
20130210 20:00:31< Ivanovic> Espreon: no release before the 18th febuary
20130210 20:00:33< mordante> Ivanovic, nice size, what resolution?
20130210 20:00:38< Ivanovic> Espreon: should be plenty time to get something done
20130210 20:00:42< Ivanovic> mordante: 2560x1440
20130210 20:00:52< Ivanovic> a freaking brilliant screen
20130210 20:01:28< Espreon> Yup, yup.
20130210 20:01:48< Espreon> Ivanovic: Do you think we'll have a stable release anytime soon?
20130210 20:02:00< Ivanovic> no idea yet
20130210 20:02:09< Espreon> OK.
20130210 20:02:21< Ivanovic> mordante, boucman: have you talked about gsoc during fosdem?
20130210 20:02:44< Ivanovic> meaning: do we plan to participate in gsoc this year?
20130210 20:03:21< mordante> Ivanovic, indeed nice size
20130210 20:03:52< mordante> we haven't really discussed it, Crab_ wants to join
20130210 20:04:28< mordante> I don't expect a stable soon, there are still quite some bugs left
20130210 20:04:41< Ivanovic> if you are ever looking for a new display i can really recommend this one: http://geizhals.at/de/641628
20130210 20:04:59< Ivanovic> Espreon: if we participate in gsoc then the next stable release will probably sometime around christmas
20130210 20:06:33< Espreon> Uh...
20130210 20:06:37< Espreon> ... I meant a 1.10.x release.
20130210 20:06:54< mordante> Ivanovic, nice price policy "Preis vom: 10.02.2013, 19:57:36 (Preis kann jetzt höher sein!)" :-P
20130210 20:07:06< Espreon> No entiendo nada.
20130210 20:07:13< Espreon> (I can speak in tongues too)
20130210 20:07:16< Ivanovic> Espreon: 1.10.x should be possible any time after the 18th
20130210 20:07:27< Espreon> OK.
20130210 20:07:39< Espreon> I better get back to reviewing that Portuguese stuff, then.
20130210 20:07:43< Ivanovic> mordante: since this is a price comparison portal they have to make sure to state that their info might not be 100% accurate...
20130210 20:08:31< mordante> of course, but is looks odd especially only warning it might be higher
20130210 20:09:13< Ivanovic> noone will complain if they pay less
20130210 20:09:15< Ivanovic> ;)
20130210 20:09:29< Ivanovic> anyway, the display is really good, especially the PLS panel
20130210 20:09:46< Ivanovic> and it is even suited for gaming
20130210 20:09:48< Ivanovic> ;)
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20130210 20:14:15< mordante> for now I'm happy with my machine, but I might look at it once I upgrade (of course if it ain't ancient by that time)
20130210 20:14:19< mordante> afk
20130210 20:19:13< timotei> Ivanovic: You're getting a Xeon too? Nice. (I'm getting a 1230v2 too).
20130210 20:19:21< timotei> Ivanovic: What motherboard?
20130210 20:19:30< Ivanovic> timotei: asrock z77 pro4
20130210 20:19:41< Ivanovic> already have the machine assembled and installed
20130210 20:20:25< Ivanovic> 2*8GB ram from corsair (their cheap series with ddr3-1600)
20130210 20:20:58< Ivanovic> timotei: and this machine really is a monster at least for compilation
20130210 20:21:22< Ivanovic> i will soon test how fast it is for converting videos (got several hundred GB of mpeg2 tv recordings to cut and convert)
20130210 20:22:14< timotei> Hmm. Somebody told me about AsRock too, but I will go for an MSI instead (for some reason I can't remember - probably don't like AsRock too Much0
20130210 20:22:51< timotei> My current fear is that the motherboard might not support OOB the Xeon processor, even though the BIOS update for Xeon procs (and Intel i5-3470 or such) was in April 2012.
20130210 20:23:06< timotei> Should be enough time to get a motherboard with at least that BIOS now.
20130210 20:23:08< Ivanovic> uhm, just check the website
20130210 20:23:24< Ivanovic> it should clearly state with which revision the support was added
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20130210 20:23:40< Ivanovic> and if you buy from a larger shop the boards should be no older than 3 month
20130210 20:25:27< Ivanovic> timotei: and make sure to get a decent tower!
20130210 20:25:33< Ivanovic> those are worth their weight in gold!
20130210 20:26:18< Ivanovic> i got me this one (removing the default fans and replacing them with bequiet fans making the same almost inaudible!): http://geizhals.at/de/704037
20130210 20:26:56< timotei> I see
20130210 20:27:11< timotei> Well, I put my eyes on some Cooltek (German stuff) and Nanoxia (the same I guess)
20130210 20:27:19< timotei> I just have to decide if it's worth the money :D
20130210 20:28:53< timotei> Oh, and I have to decide about the SSD as well. The Samsung 840 Pro is a bit too pricey... though the best SSD around
20130210 20:29:06< timotei> I wish the 830 would still be available in the shops :(
20130210 20:29:19< timotei> It would have been the best price/performance ratio.
20130210 20:29:24< timotei> choice*
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20130210 20:36:02< Ivanovic> i have the 830 in my old box but since that is basically not available anymore i decided to go for something different, meaning the crucial m4
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20130210 20:47:26< anonymissimus> mordante: MSVC has some problems with your FOREACH macro
20130210 20:50:15< anonymissimus> mordante: also, IIRC loonycyborg removed the usages of a custom FOREACH macro some time ago in all our source code, because IIRC there was some problem our bug with it, and replaced it with BOOST_FOREACH, is that solved (whatever it was)
20130210 20:53:40< loonycyborg> The cause was namespace conflict with boost.foreach
20130210 20:54:21< loonycyborg> foreach namespace
20130210 20:54:36< loonycyborg> FOREACH probably won't cause such a problem
20130210 20:54:51< loonycyborg> namespace names are case sensitive
20130210 21:12:39< irker039> wesnoth: anonymissimus * r56275 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/addon/uninstall_list.cpp: 
20130210 21:12:39< irker039> wesnoth: remove explicit "this->" to work around MSVC compile errors
20130210 21:12:40< irker039> wesnoth: For some reason it appears to no longer know the this pointer
20130210 21:12:40< irker039> wesnoth: in that context after introduction of these FOREACHs.
20130210 21:13:10< irker039> wesnoth: anonymissimus * r56276 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/toggle_button.cpp: 
20130210 21:13:10< irker039> wesnoth: partly revert r56259 to work around another MSVC compile error
20130210 21:13:11< irker039> wesnoth: tcontrol::canvas(): "invalid call to non-static member function"
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20130210 21:22:20< shadowm> anonymissimus: The custom foreach macro in question was foreach (all lowercase).
20130210 21:33:07< anonymissimus> is it normal to call a member function of a superclass from the method of the subclass with the scope operator, while the method called is not the "mother-method" of the method where we are ?
20130210 21:54:31< mordante> anonymissimus, what is the problem you run into?
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20130210 22:18:05< anonymissimus> mordante: not anymore, I hope commit messages say enough
20130210 22:20:58< mordante> anonymissimus, no actually it makes no sense to me :-P but if it makes MSVC happy I don't expect my compilers to complains
20130210 22:21:12< mordante> nice to know it now compiles for you
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20130210 22:25:13< anonymissimus> mordante: do the messages themselves or what they say make no sense ? I don't understand why it has problems with the "this->", it looks like a bug to me.
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20130210 22:26:11< mordante> no I just don't understand why MSVC is not happy about the this-> and the direct call to canvas()
20130210 22:26:23< anonymissimus> in the other thing, it also looks very strange that a simple local variable solves it
20130210 22:26:49< mordante> yup
20130210 22:27:15< mordante> but I'm also not sure what the FOREACH expands to in the end (and I think life is better without knowing it)
20130210 22:29:45< anonymissimus> mordante: could you answer my question above pls ?
20130210 22:30:23< mordante> anonymissimus, what question exactly?
20130210 22:30:36< anonymissimus> mordante: "is it normal to call a member function of a superclass from the method of the subclass with the scope operator, while the method called is not the "mother-method" of the method where we are ?"
20130210 22:30:58< anonymissimus> I also see that other function isn't virtual, the mother method of course is
20130210 22:31:24< mordante> if a function in a superclass is virtual it is virtual in all its subclasses
20130210 22:31:41< mordante> regardless whether or not there is a virtual in the subclass
20130210 22:31:56< anonymissimus> and I'm not always sure when I should call with . or ::, other than :: is more the "static" call and . is calling members of objects
20130210 22:33:50< mordante> if you want the function from the superclass from a subclass without virtual lookup you can specify its name by qualifying it
20130210 22:33:52< mordante> for example
20130210 22:34:18< mordante> tcontrol::layout_init calls twidget::layout_init first and then does its own stuff
20130210 22:34:38< mordante> if's a bit the Delphi way where you could call inherit;
20130210 22:35:22< mordante> you can also use ::foo::bar to have a fully qualified name
20130210 22:35:58< mordante> if you have a class with a member function sin you can use ::sin (or std::sin) to get the normal sine function from C(++)
20130210 22:36:05< mordante> does that answer your question?
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20130210 22:44:25< mordante> I'm off night
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20130210 22:45:03< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56277 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 4 dirs): 
20130210 22:45:03< irker039> wesnoth: Reverts silly grammar changes.
20130210 22:45:04< irker039> wesnoth: Espreon please stop changing the code to your favourite flavour of
20130210 22:45:04< irker039> wesnoth: English, again it cost me a lot of time to find a bug caused by your
20130210 22:45:05< irker039> wesnoth: changes.
20130210 22:45:05< irker039> wesnoth: (Reverts r55736.)
20130210 22:45:09< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56279 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (dialog.cpp dialog.hpp field.hpp): 
20130210 22:45:10< irker039> wesnoth: Converts a function pointer to boost::function.
20130210 22:45:15< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56280 /trunk/src/gui/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
20130210 22:45:16< irker039> wesnoth: Converts a function pointer to boost::function.
20130210 22:45:17< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56278 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (dialog.cpp dialog.hpp field.hpp): 
20130210 22:45:18< irker039> wesnoth: Converts a function pointer to boost::function.
20130210 22:45:19< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56282 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/control.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:20< irker039> wesnoth: Change from virtual to normal inheritance.
20130210 22:45:20< irker039> wesnoth: The virtual inheritance is not required in this case I don't expect it be
20130210 22:45:21< irker039> wesnoth: needed in the future either.
20130210 22:45:23< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56281 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (generator.hpp generator_private.hpp generator.cpp): 
20130210 22:45:24< irker039> wesnoth: Converts a function pointer to boost::function.
20130210 22:45:25< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56283 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/generator.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:26< irker039> wesnoth: Change from virtual to normal inheritance.
20130210 22:45:26< irker039> wesnoth: The virtual inheritance is not required in this case I don't expect it be
20130210 22:45:27< irker039> wesnoth: needed in the future either.
20130210 22:45:29< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56284 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/grid.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:30< irker039> wesnoth: Change from virtual to normal inheritance.
20130210 22:45:30< irker039> wesnoth: The virtual inheritance is not required in this case I don't expect it be
20130210 22:45:31< irker039> wesnoth: needed in the future either.
20130210 22:45:33< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56285 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/widget.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:34< irker039> wesnoth: Change from virtual to normal inheritance.
20130210 22:45:34< irker039> wesnoth: The virtual inheritance is not required in this case I don't expect it be
20130210 22:45:35< irker039> wesnoth: needed in the future either.
20130210 22:45:37< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56286 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/widget.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:38< irker039> wesnoth: Change from virtual to normal inheritance.
20130210 22:45:38< irker039> wesnoth: The virtual inheritance is not required in this case I don't expect it be
20130210 22:45:39< irker039> wesnoth: needed in the future either.
20130210 22:45:41< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56287 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/window_builder.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:42< irker039> wesnoth: Remove unneeded includes.
20130210 22:45:43< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56288 /trunk/src/pathfind/pathfind.cpp: 
20130210 22:45:44< irker039> wesnoth: Fix some doxygen warnings.
20130210 22:45:45< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56289 /trunk/src/ai/configuration.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:46< irker039> wesnoth: Fix a doxygen warning.
20130210 22:45:47< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56290 /trunk/src/actions/vision.cpp: 
20130210 22:45:48< irker039> wesnoth: Fix a doxygen warning.
20130210 22:45:49< shadowm> What the fuck.
20130210 22:45:49< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56291 /trunk/src/ai/configuration.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:50< irker039> wesnoth: Fix some doxygen warnings.
20130210 22:45:51< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56292 /trunk/src/ai/manager.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:52< irker039> wesnoth: Fix some doxygen warnings.
20130210 22:45:53< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56293 /trunk/src/image_modifications.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:54< irker039> wesnoth: Fix a doxygen warning.
20130210 22:45:55< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56294 /trunk/src/sdl_utils.hpp: 
20130210 22:45:56< irker039> wesnoth: Fix some doxygen warnings.
20130210 22:45:57< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56295 /trunk/src/utils/enumerate.tpp: 
20130210 22:45:58< irker039> wesnoth: Fix a doxygen warning.
20130210 22:45:59< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56296 /trunk/src/whiteboard/side_actions.hpp: 
20130210 22:46:00< irker039> wesnoth: Fix a doxygen warning.
20130210 22:46:01< irker039> wesnoth: mordante * r56297 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/editor/editor_edit_label.hpp: 
20130210 22:46:03< irker039> wesnoth: Fix some doxygen warnings.
20130210 22:46:11< shadowm> mordante: I can understand your point about stuff that can cause build issues, but _doxygen_?
20130210 22:46:15< shadowm> That's just ludicrous.
20130210 22:46:19< bumbadadabum> he's gone
20130210 22:46:24< shadowm> I don't care.
20130210 22:46:32< Espreon> mordante: No, it's not silly. You're compromising... consistency.
20130210 22:46:36< anonymissimus> mordante: hm well, no; tcontrol::layout_init calls its corresponding mother method (which it overwrites), but I would expect the static tcontrol::canvas() call in ttoggle_button::update_canvas() to emit the "invalid call to non-static function error"
20130210 22:46:53< Espreon> mordante: The language of the project is en_US. Don't like it? Too bad.
20130210 22:47:31< Espreon> mordante: Now, I do apologize for accidentally breaking code.
20130210 22:47:40< Espreon> mordante: But that's another issue.
20130210 22:47:41< shadowm> Espreon: Keep your language enforcement limited to documentation and public (WML or Lua-facing) APIs.
20130210 22:47:59< shadowm> As well as interface messages.
20130210 22:48:03< shadowm> You are all ridiculous.
20130210 22:48:11< shadowm> Both of you. All of you.
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20130210 22:49:10< Espreon> shadowm: Well, he did revert changes made to documentation.
20130210 22:49:16< anonymissimus> shadowm: not all, I also consider Espreon 's language consistency commits suspicious
20130210 22:49:21< shadowm> That's both of you's fault.
20130210 22:49:48< Espreon> ... though other changes were mixed up with those.
20130210 22:49:52< shadowm> Why can't you all discuss things amongst yourselves instead of silently reverting each other's stuff wihtout notice?
20130210 22:50:03< Espreon> shadowm: I'd like to know why too.
20130210 22:50:16< Espreon> I would have been fine with discussing it.
20130210 22:50:19< Espreon> But no.
20130210 22:50:32< Espreon> I guess I don't get that luxury.
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20130210 22:51:57< shadowm> Espreon: Yeah, just as it's not the first time you break stuff with your language policing, it's not the first time that mordante reverts other people's commits without doing the communication thing that actually makes the world work.
20130210 22:52:02< shadowm> That's why I'm annoyed.
20130210 22:52:34< Espreon> I see.
20130210 22:52:48< shadowm> This project has been overtaken by anarchy and it's seriously frustrating.
20130210 22:52:59< Espreon> All right. I just won't touch src/ aside from the Win32 locales file.
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20130210 22:53:41< shadowm> Espreon: I already said it; public-facing APIs, documentation, or interface messages.
20130210 22:53:42< zookeeper> shadowm, no kidding.
20130210 22:53:53< shadowm> -void tplacer_horizontal_list::initialise()
20130210 22:53:53< shadowm> +void tplacer_horizontal_list::initialize()
20130210 22:54:00< shadowm> (Reverse that.)
20130210 22:54:11< shadowm> That's not a public-facing API so it is indeed something you shouldn't have changed.
20130210 22:55:05< anonymissimus> what bug did you cause ? if everything is done automatically, there shouldn't be ? (perhaps one can learn form it)
20130210 22:55:19< Espreon> Yes, what bug did I cause?
20130210 22:55:24< Espreon> That's what I'm wondering.
20130210 22:55:33< timotei> Espreon: probably he couldn't find the initialise function xD
20130210 22:55:44< shadowm> mordante's reversion commit message is as unhelpful as it gets, too. It doesn't explain what was the issue.
20130210 22:56:18< Espreon> timotei: fgrep told me I got all the evil instances of "initialise", but I'll just assume that function is defined elsewhere.
20130210 22:56:27 * anonymissimus thinks it's good habit to stay online for a while after the last commit
20130210 22:56:59< Espreon> Perhaps the bug is "Espreon's messing with my shit!"
20130210 22:57:04< Espreon> But we may never know.
20130210 22:57:36< shadowm> The major bug here is "Wesnoth developers need to learn effective communication".
20130210 22:58:00< shadowm> Someone poke me when we have an organization and repo at Github so I can file that as issue #1.
20130210 22:58:01< Espreon> The end of the world will probably come first.
20130210 22:58:09< shadowm> Severity: highest.
20130210 22:58:19< bumbadadabum> The thing is that you can pretty much commit anything
20130210 22:58:23< bumbadadabum> without communicating
20130210 22:58:26< ChrisOelmueller> are you actually switching to GH issues too?
20130210 22:58:32< shadowm> I can name a number of bugs and incidents in the past that could have been avoided with effective communication.
20130210 22:58:58< shadowm> ChrisOelmueller: Oh right, someone proposed to run redmine ourselves or something.
20130210 22:59:03< shadowm> Poke me then.
20130210 22:59:29< shadowm> I'll use my database-manipulation powers to ensure the meta-bug in question gets a pretty number.
20130210 22:59:38< ChrisOelmueller> was just wondering that, since if you're importing tickets from somewhere else you definitely want to contact github on that
20130210 22:59:55< ChrisOelmueller> they were extremely helpful with our import process
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20130210 23:15:45< Soliton> looks like we need an explicit policy on how to commit.
20130210 23:18:22< Espreon> Or I could just leave.
20130210 23:19:30< Espreon> (A pleasant possibility, actually)
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20130210 23:29:19< shadowm> Soliton: We'll need such a policy if we actually move to Git and later want to make effective use of such features as log --format=oneline in the future, anyway.
20130210 23:30:03< shadowm> Unless everyone prefers keeping track of SHA1 hashes.
20130210 23:30:25< Soliton> i didn't mean just commit messages but sure.
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