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20130211 01:52:33< jamit> mordante, re r56153: On line 1512, num_choices is assigned a long result. In order to avoid losing precision, num_choices has to be a long as well.
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20130211 02:20:44< irker039> wesnoth: ai0867 * r56298 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/libgithub.py: 
20130211 02:20:44< irker039> wesnoth: Use authentication info for all github API requests if it's available
20130211 02:20:45< AI0867> Espreon: ^
20130211 02:26:04< jamit> anonymissimus: the compile errors involving "this->" make some sense. The macro definitions lead to that expression being used as a template parameter in such a way that its context was probably no longer a BfW class but a MSVC-specific Boost class.
20130211 02:26:26< jamit> Or if you prefer: it's macro madness. :)
20130211 02:27:17< jamit> Not that it really matters. I just got curious. ;)
20130211 02:29:34< jamit> Possibly the same sort of thing for that "non-static member function". A general big warning for FOREACH might be that the second parameter gets passed to another macro which might be picky about what it receives.
20130211 02:29:44< Espreon> AI0867: Thanks.
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20130211 03:02:23< irker039> wesnoth: espreon * r56299 /branches/1.10/po/ (wesnoth/en_GB.po wesnoth-httt/en_GB.po): 
20130211 03:02:23< irker039> wesnoth: Updated the British English translation.
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20130211 03:10:44< esr> r24777 downloading.  Probably going to take at least another 12 hours to mirror the whole repo.
20130211 03:11:17< irker039> wesnoth: espreon * r56300 /trunk/po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): 
20130211 03:11:17< irker039> wesnoth: Updated the British English translation.
20130211 03:12:25< Espreon> My, how brutal.
20130211 03:15:22< vultraz> I'm going to have to learn git, won't I...
20130211 03:15:27< Espreon> Yup!
20130211 03:15:41< Espreon> Well, you might as well, at least.
20130211 03:15:59< Espreon> I believe github does have some stuff that lets you use SVN with git, but I've never tried it.
20130211 03:16:01< vultraz> Only advantage I see to git is branches.
20130211 03:16:12< vultraz> Besides that, it's annoying
20130211 03:16:19< Espreon> Why do you say that?
20130211 03:16:46< vultraz> Because it confuses me every time I try to use it
20130211 03:17:08< shadowm> RTM.
20130211 03:17:49< Espreon> vultraz: What he said.
20130211 03:18:37< vultraz> I still think something like that should be simple enough to figure out by it's interface
20130211 03:18:47< vultraz> I figured out SVN without TFM
20130211 03:18:51< Espreon> Sigh.
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20130211 03:19:55< vultraz> And my number 1 complaint about Git is it doesn't support resumable downloads
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20130211 03:21:09< ChrisOelmueller> if you're looking for "simple" git is not the place to go
20130211 03:22:14< shadowm> vultraz: We will provide you and me with a solution, don't worry.
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20130211 03:22:49< shadowm> For the "resumable downloads" thing you insist on complaining about, which is actually called "cloning a repository".
20130211 03:23:04< irker039> wesnoth: jamit * r56301 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
20130211 03:23:04< irker039> wesnoth: More merging of codepaths for recruiting a unit.
20130211 03:31:47< vultraz> shadowm: you? I thought you had fast, reliable internet
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20130211 03:35:20< shadowm> High latency (including frequent network switch transitions) and an average download rate of 100 KiB/second sounds fast and reliable to you?
20130211 03:35:34< shadowm> I thought you knew me well, vultraz.
20130211 03:35:41< shadowm> We've been talking to each other for ages in my channel.
20130211 03:35:55< shadowm> My heart is broken. Our relationship is over.
20130211 03:35:59< shadowm> Goodbye.
20130211 03:40:05< vultraz> shadowm: it sounds extremely fast
20130211 03:40:19< vultraz> 4x faster than mine
20130211 03:40:34< shadowm> It's not fast. It just sucks less than yours.
20130211 03:40:52< vultraz> We should all have internet like Bumba's
20130211 03:41:06< shadowm> Last time I attempted to clone linux-stable it aborted around 120 MiB.
20130211 03:41:13< vultraz> 100 mb/minute
20130211 03:41:29< shadowm> I'm not going to even _try_ cloning a > 1.4 GiB repository.
20130211 03:41:49< shadowm> But I can cheat the system because I'm a Wesnoth.org admin.
20130211 03:42:06< shadowm> I have a plan in case everyone else ignores my proposal.
20130211 03:42:09< vultraz> At least my internet is...relatively stable
20130211 03:42:17< vultraz> I'm able to download multi-gb stuff
20130211 03:42:20< vultraz> But it takes days
20130211 03:42:47< shadowm> I once downloaded 3 GiB in less than 4 hours.
20130211 03:42:56< vultraz> Holy fuck...
20130211 03:43:25< shadowm> But I was lucky, and was using wget.
20130211 03:43:36< shadowm> That is the disadvantage of git clone, as you previously mentioned.
20130211 03:43:39< shadowm> Again, I have plan.
20130211 03:43:44< shadowm> *a plan.
20130211 03:44:15< vultraz> What plan?
20130211 03:44:58< vultraz> It better be good, bc I haven't forgotten the time I lost power at 92% of the frogatto repo clone
20130211 03:45:17< shadowm> Dude, the plan is for me, not for you.
20130211 03:45:31< shadowm> You'll have to make do with your own alternative.
20130211 03:45:42< shadowm> Again, only if everyone ignores my proposal.
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20130211 03:49:36< vultraz> Hmm[
20130211 03:49:39< vultraz> hmmp*
20130211 03:50:05< vultraz> Also, because of some problem, my internet is apt to go down if someone uses the phone
20130211 03:50:25< vultraz> Also, power outages may come at any time
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20130211 04:50:57< esr> I have FIOS - optical fiber to my house, just about the fastest residential Internet anywhere.  And this is still taking forever.
20130211 04:51:44< vultraz> woahhh
20130211 04:52:09< vultraz> esr: how fast is your connection?
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20130211 04:52:16< shadowm> Because Subversion's network layer sucks ass.
20130211 04:52:32< shadowm> I've been telling people this for six years.
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20130211 04:53:00< shadowm> It makes trivial operations take forever even on low-latency connections. It's ridiculous.
20130211 04:53:19< vultraz> Funnily enough, it's been faster for me recently...
20130211 04:53:22< shadowm> It also has no proper concept of graceful failure.
20130211 04:54:02< AI0867> esr: we have the repo mirrored on the new server
20130211 04:54:07< AI0867> also, lots of ram and disk
20130211 04:55:20< esr> I think it's 15MB/s down and 5MB up, but I don't remember exactly.  Dave  Taht (the Bufferbloat guy) told me that real-world Internet doesn't get any faster, so I haven't bothered tracking the numbers.
20130211 04:57:40< esr> shadowm: You are right about the SVN network layer, it sucks pretty badly.
20130211 05:00:33< vultraz> 15...MB/s...
20130211 05:01:02< vultraz> at that rate, you could download a wesnoth exe in less than a minute
20130211 05:01:41< vultraz> 900 MB a minute
20130211 05:02:04< vultraz> holy crap where do you live esr
20130211 05:03:33< vultraz> given time for fluxations, you could download League of Legends in 5 minutes
20130211 05:03:43< vultraz> wow...
20130211 05:07:39< ancestral> 15 MB/s or 15 Mbps
20130211 05:07:55< ancestral> Probably 15Mb not MB
20130211 05:08:05< ancestral> 40 Mbps == 5 MB/s
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20130211 05:08:53< ancestral> vultraz: People commonly make that mistake
20130211 05:09:06< vultraz> bits vs bytes?
20130211 05:09:10< ancestral> Yes
20130211 05:10:00< vultraz> then my internet is probably slower than I thought
20130211 05:10:09< vultraz> I think I get 32 Kb/s
20130211 05:10:15< vultraz> ._.
20130211 05:10:35< ancestral> Dialup peaked at 56kbps (though usually 53kbps was real world…)
20130211 05:11:04< ancestral> That is 7 KB/s
20130211 05:11:55< ancestral> vultraz: 32 KB/s === 256 kbps
20130211 05:12:24< ancestral> At work I've gotten 8 MB/s on Wi-Fi. That’s pretty fast.
20130211 05:12:37< ancestral> I suspect we probably have Internet as fast as 100 Mbit
20130211 05:12:47< ancestral> (when at 100%)
20130211 05:16:21< vultraz> so...are you telling me
20130211 05:16:27< vultraz> My DSL is slower than dileup o_O
20130211 05:16:55< Gambit> well technically dial up peaks at 64kbps
20130211 05:16:55< shadowm> You are in the middle of the Pacific Ocean itself.
20130211 05:16:58< shadowm> Wouldn't surprise me.
20130211 05:17:04< Gambit> But in the united states, it is illegal to do more than 56kbps
20130211 05:17:13< Gambit> because any higher interferes with phone conversations
20130211 05:17:31< Gambit> And in general due to distance, and other factors you won't see higher than 45kbps
20130211 05:18:32< AI0867> and in europe we also don't use the last 8 kb/s, so we can use the same equipment
20130211 05:19:13< vultraz> oh WHEW
20130211 05:19:17< AI0867> Gambit: it wasn't because it interferes with phone conversations
20130211 05:19:20< vultraz> I just checked, and it was KB
20130211 05:19:23< vultraz> not KB
20130211 05:19:28< vultraz> so I'm faster than dileup
20130211 05:19:42< vultraz> I usually get around 24 - 30 KB/s
20130211 05:19:45< AI0867> but 8 kb/s of the 64 kb/s channel is used for signaling/metadata in the US
20130211 05:21:26< Gambit> Interesting.
20130211 05:22:19< AI0867> we didn't have that problem in europe, but we still used the same standard
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20130211 05:30:37< ancestral> Gambit is wrong. Technical limitations, at least in the U.S., will cap dialup speeds to 53kbps
20130211 05:31:14< ancestral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialup#Using_compression_to_exceed_56k
20130211 05:31:49< vultraz> I wish the entire world had FIOS
20130211 05:32:19< vultraz> why can't the government make upgrading the internet's infrastructure instead of worrying if gays get married or not
20130211 05:32:41< vultraz> infrastructure a priority*
20130211 05:33:23< vultraz> I say, let them get married and start replacing everything with FIOS for fast internet
20130211 05:34:23< vultraz> Embarrassing that the US has slower internet than Korea
20130211 05:36:03< shadowm> vultraz: The government of wherever again?
20130211 05:36:09< vultraz> the US
20130211 05:36:10< shadowm> You don't even live in the U.S.
20130211 05:36:22< vultraz> Yes
20130211 05:36:29< vultraz> But I still want it to have fast internet
20130211 05:36:34< vultraz> Bc it's my country
20130211 05:36:38< shadowm> It's not.
20130211 05:36:40< vultraz> even though I don;t live there ATM
20130211 05:36:57< shadowm> You will never live there ever again.
20130211 05:37:08< vultraz> O rly
20130211 05:37:09< shadowm> You are doomed to a miserable life in the middle of nowhere.
20130211 05:37:17< vultraz> You think I plan to live here the rest of my life?
20130211 05:37:19< vultraz> No way
20130211 05:37:38< shadowm> It's not about whether you plan to do so or not.
20130211 05:37:45< shadowm> It's about whether you will be allowed to escape from your parents' grasp.
20130211 05:39:31< ancestral> vultraz: Things cost money. Who pays for it?
20130211 05:40:20< ancestral> Australia passed legislation to upgrade their aging Internet infrastructure. It was controversial, because they basically paid one large company to do it all.
20130211 05:41:06< vultraz> ancestral: the US government should cut useless spending and use the money on useful projects, such as upgrading internet infrastructure, the space program, energy efficiency, etc
20130211 05:41:15< vultraz> at least, that's my opinion
20130211 05:41:31< ancestral> And yet it has a deficit
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20130211 06:29:27< vultraz> ancestral: It would be able to cut debt if it cut the crap and spent it on useful stuff that might generate revenue and boost the economy
20130211 06:30:02< ancestral> vultraz: Adding fiber throughout the entire U.S. is not cheap
20130211 06:30:18< ancestral> At all
20130211 06:31:29< ancestral> Of course, I’m getting of topic. But I don’t disagree with you; the more fiber, the better our online experiences and sharing data will be
20130211 06:32:02< vultraz> Someone has to do it, therefor more jobs. More jobs = more money. More money = more spending. More spending = fewer layoffs and more people with jobs. More people with jobs = less money the government has to spend trying to keep the economy aflot
20130211 06:38:38< vultraz> Also, with the fact that the internet has become such an integral part of the world today, a country with fast, reliable connections will have an advantage over those that do that.
20130211 06:38:46< vultraz> that do not*
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20130211 15:21:51< esr> vultraz: I live in the exurbs of Philadelphia.  There are advantages to living in a wealthy neighborhood near a major city in the most technologically advanced contry on Earth; FIOS is one of them.
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20130211 17:31:03< vultraz> do umc resources take precedence over core resources?
20130211 17:31:35< vultraz> eg, could I have two files with different content but same name and filepath, and have the UMC version be used?
20130211 17:32:23< bumbadadabum> vultraz: That's evil
20130211 17:32:41< bumbadadabum> don't use the same filepath as core
20130211 17:32:45< vultraz> bumbadadabum: if it's possible, no filepaths withh have to be change
20130211 17:32:47< bumbadadabum> and file names
20130211 17:32:47< vultraz> d
20130211 17:32:49< vultraz> will*
20130211 17:32:57< bumbadadabum> vultraz: If it's about the magi
20130211 17:33:00< vultraz> all we'll have to do later is delete the images
20130211 17:33:05< vultraz> Yes
20130211 17:33:06< bumbadadabum> put them in images/units/summoners
20130211 17:33:24< vultraz> But, the filepath is coded into the macro
20130211 17:33:38< bumbadadabum> then don't use the macro
20130211 17:33:45< bumbadadabum> this is only the case for the baseframe
20130211 17:33:45< vultraz> also, I'd have to adjust the path of invididual frames
20130211 17:33:59< bumbadadabum> the anims use a [+attack_anim] thingy
20130211 17:34:07< bumbadadabum> find/replace
20130211 17:34:40< vultraz> it will leave everything messy
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20130211 17:34:59< vultraz> easier if the UMC images would just take precedence
20130211 17:35:11< bumbadadabum> Don't replace core sprites in an add-on
20130211 17:35:11< vultraz> then all we'd have to do for 1.12 is delete the image folder
20130211 17:35:21< vultraz> why?
20130211 17:35:22< bumbadadabum> now it's like this
20130211 17:35:27< bumbadadabum> will only take a few minutes more
20130211 17:35:29< bumbadadabum> not a big deal
20130211 17:35:39< vultraz> UGGHHH
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20130211 21:20:56< anonymissimus> vultraz: may main point why I prefer git is that it makes keeping commits logically consistent much easier, since you're not forced to make everything either at once public or merge things that don't belong together into the same commit
20130211 21:22:04< anonymissimus> thus, the VCS becomes much more helpful in isolating or reverting the cause of some problem
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20130211 21:27:28< anonymissimus> hm, it will be neccessary to re-checkout the thing once that it is at github ?
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20130211 21:30:51< AI0867> yes
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