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20130223 00:17:13< zookeeper> lipkab, ok, i'm trying to start putting the new bigmaps to use and can't get the journey markers to work right.
20130223 00:21:11< zookeeper> that is, even if i have an unscaled bg layer with base_layer=yes, the [image]s will still get placed based on the window dimensions, not the bg layer's dimensions
20130223 00:21:58< zookeeper> and multiple bg layers don't seem to work
20130223 00:22:08< bumbadadabum> wouldn't it be nice to have new journey markers as well to fit the new 3d look?
20130223 00:22:32< zookeeper> yes
20130223 00:22:39< bumbadadabum> I might try if I can make some
20130223 00:22:47< zookeeper> even though they were updated like a few months ago -.-
20130223 00:23:11< zookeeper> nah, don't bother yet, we might do dashed lines instead
20130223 00:23:19< bumbadadabum> ok
20130223 00:23:34< bumbadadabum> That's pretty cool as well
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20130223 00:30:50< zookeeper> lipkab, argh. just ignore everything i just said. my bad.
20130223 00:37:25< zookeeper> lipkab, everything seems to work except that using scale_horizontally=no causes an assert crash at sdl_utils.cpp:1837
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20130223 00:39:24< zookeeper> also, the scenario title seems to be placed on the last specified bg layer... so in my case it sticks to the top left corner of the map, rather than the window
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20130223 00:45:54< shadowm_desktop> That's some legacy behavior I never bothered to change.
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20130223 00:50:02< lipkab> zookeeper: The crash is a known thing, I'm already testing a fix.
20130223 00:50:18< zookeeper> ah, cool
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20130223 08:30:49< mordante> servus
20130223 08:46:37< lipkab> hi mordante
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20130223 08:58:01< mordante> hi lipkab 
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20130223 11:09:30< shadowm> wesbot: log 56352
20130223 11:09:31< wesbot> zookeeper * r56352 : Added localization source files for the new bigmaps.
20130223 11:09:34< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=56352
20130223 11:10:11< shadowm> Oh dear gods.
20130223 11:10:37< zookeeper> ? :x
20130223 11:10:38< shadowm> Ah nvm, fetch just passed that after eight minutes or so.
20130223 11:10:58< zookeeper> yeah they're kinda big (combined)
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20130223 18:40:46< shadowm> Do people even make sure to run wmllint on trunk anymore?
20130223 18:41:04< shadowm> I'm getting a flood of mainline issues while trying to check my add-on against trunk wmllint and trunk data.
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20130223 18:43:24< anonymissimus> shadowm: I did it a few times since mid-1.9, but only fixed things which were easy enough or quick
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20130223 18:44:29< shadowm> When I said trunk I obviously meant post-1.10 trunk.
20130223 18:44:30< anonymissimus> shadowm: and even though you say you hate wmllint, you still are one of its main users among devs and main "maintainers" :P
20130223 18:44:54< anonymissimus> the last time was in november perhaps
20130223 18:44:56< shadowm> I'm running the complete lint target on mainline atm.
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20130223 18:45:44< anonymissimus> there are the mismatched references wmlscope emits which I consider useless and don't fix
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20130223 18:46:01< shadowm> wmlscope is garbage and I don't care much about it.
20130223 18:46:16< shadowm> wmllint is useful once properly trained to work with an add-on.
20130223 18:46:30< shadowm> Anyway, this is the mainline wmllint wreck: http://pastebin.com/MZWdjMBp
20130223 18:46:53< anonymissimus> now I'm convinced that you love wmllint ;)
20130223 18:47:35< shadowm> Oh, you think so?
20130223 18:47:41< shadowm> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev?revision=17184&view=revision
20130223 18:47:50< vultraz> dear gods...
20130223 18:48:58< Sapient> yeah, the false positives are a real problem
20130223 18:49:43< Sapient> I think  "garbage" is a bit harsh though
20130223 18:50:00< vultraz> Typos in Eastern Invasion...
20130223 18:50:15< zookeeper> yeah, whenever committing WML one should remember to add directives for wmllint to ignore it
20130223 18:50:27< zookeeper> i know i don't, sorry about that
20130223 18:52:54< zookeeper> ohh, two EI typos
20130223 18:53:13< shadowm> Sapient: UMC-ways.
20130223 18:53:49< shadowm> Mainline fares better with wmlscope, but last time I checked it was just too inflexible to be useful for my add-on.
20130223 18:54:02< Sapient> maybe there should be a command line switch to tell it whether you want to see every possible problem or just things that are wrong with a high degree of certainty
20130223 18:54:53< anonymissimus> looks as if the animation changes introduced some problems
20130223 18:54:56< shadowm> wesbot: log 55046
20130223 18:54:57< wesbot> anonymissimus * r55046 : possibly half-baked fix for wmllint complaining about unknown [event]id=something
20130223 18:55:00< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=55046
20130223 18:55:25< shadowm> anonymissimus: Why do you feel this is a half-baked fix?
20130223 18:57:21< anonymissimus> high degree of self-critisism and -reflection ?
20130223 18:58:56< shadowm> Not sure how that is relevant for the matter at hand. If that were the case you'd have pointed out exactly why it is half-baked.
20130223 18:59:13< zookeeper> vultraz, what's surprising or not-so-surprising about typos in EI? :x
20130223 18:59:24< shadowm> Self-criticism isn't the same as assuming your code is half-baked without an actual reason.
20130223 18:59:46< shadowm> See also: what criticism in general actually entails.
20130223 19:00:25< zookeeper> isn't this coming from the guy who always says that what he does is crap? :>
20130223 19:00:34< vultraz> zookeeper: oh, I was surprised at the number of errors, not the typos
20130223 19:01:06< anonymissimus> shadowm: anyway, I don't know, I probably should have written something about that I was afraid that it could break under some circumstances, I don't remember
20130223 19:01:16< shadowm> http://pastebin.com/5P5jSjm8 <- hey, at least I managed to find the relevant portion of trunk wmllint's output amidst the flood.
20130223 19:01:43< shadowm> I normally just use 1.10 wmllint instead.
20130223 19:02:35< shadowm> Now I'd wonder why trunk wmllint throws a lot of error messages about WML after it's supposedly done with conversions and moved onto the spellchecking step.
20130223 19:03:39< shadowm> Okay no, lines 14 and 15 there continue being irrelevant, just like with 1.10 wmllint.
20130223 19:04:16< shadowm> Is there any way I can convince wmllint that I have a side 1 even when I have asked it to skip its definition?
20130223 19:04:44< shadowm> Or ignore the side check for some particular tag, perhaps.
20130223 19:15:18< shadowm> It's too bad wmllint isn't #ifver aware: http://pastebin.com/bGEkV7rL
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20130223 19:15:30< shadowm> It complains viewing_side -> side there.
20130223 19:15:57< shadowm> *complains about
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20130223 19:21:37< shadowm> Here's a situation where wmllint is being half-useful.
20130223 19:22:15< shadowm> It's reminding me of the duration=level -> duration=scenario syntax change under [object], but it will keep doing that because for now my approach to handle this is using #ifver.
20130223 19:23:17< shadowm> Unfortunately, for wmllint to be #ifver-aware, it'd also need to learn about WESNOTH_VERSION's value too.
20130223 19:23:22< shadowm> s/too//
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20130223 19:38:09< jamit> It looks like most of those wmllint messages are a result of wmllint being confused by the square brackets in Coffee's "Simplifying animation frame wml".
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20130223 19:38:45< jamit> And a few are from micro AIs using description= for text that is never displayed on the screen.
20130223 19:38:59< jamit> Wasn
20130223 19:39:24< jamit> Wasn't there someone who "volunteered" to take over wmllint maintenance? :)
20130223 19:39:34< shadowm> Yes, wmllint assumes that any description attribute anywhere is meant to be translatable.
20130223 19:40:00< shadowm> That can be easily patched with # wmllint: ignore comments.
20130223 19:40:20< jamit> Hmm... the micro AI descriptions look more like names to me, but I guess name= would have the same problem.
20130223 19:41:07< Sapient> id then?
20130223 19:41:14< shadowm> You can find the list (actually a regular expression) of attributes wmllint wants to be translatable in wmllint line 661.
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20130223 19:41:48< jamit> mattsc: ^ micro AIs are in the discussion
20130223 19:42:05< mattsc> jamit: yeah, I was just checking.
20130223 19:42:36< mattsc> I think those descriptions should be translatable.
20130223 19:43:03< shadowm> What I absolutely cannot understand is why there has to be a specific list of attributes for spellchecking instead of just spellchecking anything that is marked as translatable. Not that wmllint seems to be entirely aware of what makes a string translatable.
20130223 19:43:26< jamit> Where would the translated descriptions be used?
20130223 19:44:28< mattsc> I'm trying to remember if this shows up somewhere, or if it is one of those attribute that can be set, but then gets ignored in the [ai] tag parsing.
20130223 19:44:37< mattsc> I think it is the latter.
20130223 19:49:04< mattsc> jamit: I don't know right now.  There are some inconsistencies in the ai definitions.  Sometimes name= is used when it should really be id=, and some keys can be set but don't serve any purpose.
20130223 19:49:34< mattsc> But that was all set up "before my time", so I don't quite understand it all that well either at the moment.  Crab_ could probably tell us.
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20130223 19:50:58< mattsc> Tell me what I should do with those descriptions  :)
20130223 19:54:58< mattsc> Just checked out the full ai config after parsing (using :inspect) for the bottleneck MAI, and neither the id nor the description show up anywhere.  They get lost in the parsing of all the [ai] tags.
20130223 19:55:17< mattsc> That's what I remember from last time, but I do not know whether they serve a purpose in some other context.
20130223 19:55:30< mattsc> Or whether they were meant to serve a purpose for something that got never implemented.
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20130223 20:42:22< mordante> jamit, regarding r56364 did you use some tool to point you at this?
20130223 20:44:04< jamit> mordante: Nope. I just happened to notice it while I was looking through the source for some other reason.
20130223 20:45:25< mordante> ok I just wondered, not just because of this commit, but since you have more of these tiny cleanups
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20130223 21:14:22< anonymissimus> shadowm: about these #ifver problems, I have both in my addon as well, IIRC #wmllint: ignore after the viewing_side= and duration=level lines does the trick
20130223 21:23:18< anonymissimus> shadowm: does 1.10's wmllint still run clean btw ?
20130223 21:23:55< anonymissimus> on 1.10's wml
20130223 21:25:22< anonymissimus> mordante: were you asking for a valgrind+gdb session here. http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?19624 ?
20130223 21:27:17< mordante> anonymissimus, yes
20130223 21:32:48< shadowm> anonymissimus: It runs clean on data/core, no idea about mainline campaigns.
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20130223 22:14:22< shadowm> anonymissimus: Hm, maybe you remembered wrong.
20130223 22:14:45< shadowm> ".../After_the_Storm/episode1/scenarios/12_The_Queen.cfg, line 1570: viewing_side=1 # wmllint: ignore -> side=1 # wmllint: ignore"
20130223 22:18:36< shadowm> anonymissimus: The correct metadirective is  "wmllint: noconvert".
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20130223 22:28:25< shadowm> anonymissimus: Thanks for the tip. Works just fine with both wmllints when using noconvert.
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20130223 22:30:31< shadowm> So now I just have to deal with these last two warnings. Hm. http://pastebin.com/SVEn7EYc
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20130223 22:46:29< mattsc> jamit: ugh, I'm being stupid (again).  Of course I know what id= and description= in the [ai] tag are used for.
20130223 22:46:59< mattsc> If the AI is used as an MP AI, they are the identifier and text used for the AI selection button.
20130223 22:47:55< mattsc> So description should be translatable.  There are a couple other AIs in data/ai that don't have the _ either, so that's where I must have copied it from (and never noticed).
20130223 22:48:53< mattsc> I'll fix all of that later today -- and I'll (try to) run wmllint this time, sorry for the oversight
20130223 22:49:05< jamit> And the world is saved, thanks to wmllint! :)
20130223 22:49:18< mattsc> yay!
20130223 22:51:19< shadowm> Woo.
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