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20130309 08:25:40< shadowm> wesbot: seen fabi
20130309 08:25:40< wesbot> shadowm: Queried user last spoke 18d 12h ago.  fabi is currently here and on the channels #wesnoth, #wesnoth-de and #wesnoth-umc-dev.
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20130309 08:28:46< mordante> servus
20130309 08:29:12< lipkab> hi mordante
20130309 08:30:02< Ivanovic> moin
20130309 08:31:12< mordante> hi lipkab 
20130309 08:31:14< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20130309 08:31:24< mordante> Ivanovic, still planning to release this weekend?
20130309 08:31:30< Ivanovic> nope
20130309 08:31:43< Ivanovic> next weekend sounds a lot better to me...
20130309 08:32:07< shadowm> Maybe I should revert the hex selection thing myself because this thing where my units keep getting misdirected to move to locations where I don't want them is really vexing.
20130309 08:32:19< mordante> ok, still like fabi to revert his reverse selection code
20130309 08:32:29< shadowm> Yes, I am finally doing some playtesting on trunk. And it's infuriating.
20130309 08:33:54< Ivanovic> but there were no blockers for a 1.10.x release, right?
20130309 08:33:57< shadowm> Also, there are a few animation glitches I already reported, plus some stuff I said I was going to bisect and then forgot.
20130309 08:34:06< mordante> he said he wanted to do it, so we already agreed it would be reverted, so I've no issue when you do it
20130309 08:34:29< Ivanovic> that is: i am currentlz running a pot-update there and one week from now i could release at least 1.10.6
20130309 08:35:33< mordante> I'm not aware of blockers, but haven't followed 1.10 closely
20130309 08:35:35< shadowm> Ivanovic: No issues with 1.10.6 on my side. I may want to look into backporting a wmllint fix in the meantime but that's completely independent of the translation stuff.
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20130309 08:41:11-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.6 planned for March 16 | 171 bugs, 333 feature requests, 20 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20130309 08:46:45< shadowm> Okay, here I go, bisecting crap.
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20130309 08:48:27< Ivanovic> are there other blockers for 1.11.x besides the reverse selection code?
20130309 08:49:12< shadowm> I'd say the animation glitches I mentioned are important even though I marked them as minor.
20130309 08:50:01< mordante> I'm bisecting https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20564 at the moment, might be a blocker
20130309 08:50:04< shadowm> It's rather odd that we seem to have this weird tradition of breaking unit animations in various ways during development cycles, ranging all the way from microscopic subtlety to blatant non-functionality in some historical cases.
20130309 08:52:14< shadowm> > Bisecting: 34 revisions left to test after this (roughly 5 steps)    :(
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20130309 08:52:43< shadowm> Woo, I hit a revision that doesn't ven build during the bisection.
20130309 08:52:44< shadowm> *even
20130309 08:52:59< shadowm> Not sure whether to tell git bisect that it's good or bad?
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20130309 08:53:31< mordante> guess unchanged from the last step
20130309 08:55:23< shadowm> Oh, there's git bisect skip, okay.
20130309 08:59:15< shadowm> mordante: I noticed that you've been adding code for SDL 2.0 compatibility. Have you only been testing whether it compiles, or also whether it runs (with SDL 2.0)?
20130309 08:59:44< mordante> shadowm, I still have a lot code that hasn't been committed, with that code it runs
20130309 09:00:15< shadowm> Performance?
20130309 09:00:16< mordante> still very slow about 9 FPS but might be able to optimise it 
20130309 09:00:24< shadowm> Ouch.
20130309 09:01:16< mordante> I haven't looked at why it's that bad before it crashed when I did any mouse click
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20130309 09:01:52< mordante> that was due to the fact our code that tests for keycodes needed to be changed to scancode
20130309 09:01:56< mordante> scancodes*
20130309 09:01:58< shadowm> Doe[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B-/names
20130309 09:02:10< shadowm> Er, pretend that line didn't happen.
20130309 09:03:27< mordante> that's easy ;-)
20130309 09:03:35< shadowm> Does SDL 2.0 still use pure-software APIs (e.g. Xlib in X11) for rendering?
20130309 09:03:56< shadowm> *on X11
20130309 09:05:43< mordante> not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it tries to use OGL as backend
20130309 09:06:21< mordante> at the moment I'm mainly interested to get Wesnoth running with SDL 2.0 and then see whether I can get it running nicely
20130309 09:06:45< shadowm> I don't know anything about programming but GL, but I believe the people who previously attempted to port mainline to use GL (e.g. alink, Sirp) mentioned that Wesnoth's pixel pushing operations aren't very suited for the GL workflow or something.
20130309 09:06:55< shadowm> s/but GL/with GL/
20130309 09:08:14< mordante> no and with OGL you rerender the entire screen every frame instead of invalidating rectangles
20130309 09:08:43< mordante> s/no/yes/ so pixel manipulation is not good for OGL
20130309 09:16:48< Sirp> shadowm: SDL 2.0 still uses software API's for rendering
20130309 09:16:59< Sirp> shadowm: if you want to use OpenGL you use it in similar manner to SDL 1.2
20130309 09:17:21< shadowm> Yeah, I was reading the MigrationGuide and guessed as much.
20130309 09:17:36< shadowm> The introduction page promotes GL on X11 rather excessively so I was confused at first.
20130309 09:17:54< Sirp> well, that is The Way to do cross-platform games
20130309 09:18:22< Sirp> I mean, making a serious game and using SDL *without* using opengl is a little insane, to be honest. :p
20130309 09:18:35< shadowm> We are all insane in here.
20130309 09:18:43< Sirp> aye
20130309 09:18:45< Sirp> me most of all.
20130309 09:19:05< mordante> Sirp, agreed if you start a new game, converting an existing one can be hard :-(
20130309 09:19:17< Sirp> mordante: sure, I concur.
20130309 09:19:19< mordante> I still hope we could manage it at some point
20130309 09:19:21< Sirp> I more meant for a new project.
20130309 09:19:38< Sirp> heck at work at the moment I'm working on a game that is even older than Wesnoth. :p
20130309 09:19:44< Sirp> mordante: yeah it would be nice
20130309 09:20:43< Ivanovic> Sirp: there are not *this* many valve games older than wesnoth...
20130309 09:20:44< Ivanovic> ;)
20130309 09:20:58< shadowm> I suppose with llvmpipe being mature enough we wouldn't be alienating much of our audience on Linux, but last time I checked llvmpipe was still highly unsuitable for laptops.
20130309 09:21:16< shadowm> High-performing, yes, but at a significant power cost.
20130309 09:21:24< Ivanovic> shadowm: as far as i am aware the open source drivers have really gone forward in the last years
20130309 09:21:34< shadowm> Ivanovic: Bleeeeegh.
20130309 09:21:39< Ivanovic> that is: i was able to play trine and trine2 with the radeon driver
20130309 09:22:05< shadowm> I still hear that radeon doesn't support the newest GPUs very well.
20130309 09:22:18< Ivanovic> for those you got the closed driver
20130309 09:22:21< Ivanovic> it works well enough
20130309 09:22:42< shadowm> fglrx kills puppies.
20130309 09:22:48< Ivanovic> and?
20130309 09:22:54< shadowm> And that's terrible.
20130309 09:22:55< Ivanovic> who needs puppies anyway?
20130309 09:22:55< mordante> nvidea kills kittens
20130309 09:23:09< shadowm> NVIDIA's cool here.
20130309 09:23:29< shadowm> 05:23:19 <shadowm> %uptime
20130309 09:23:30< shadowm> 05:23:20 <@Rei2> shadowm:  05:23:20 up 40 days,  1:59, 11 users,  load average: 1.30, 3.50, 4.96
20130309 09:23:56< shadowm> I even upgraded the drivers around the tenth day after my last reboot and haven't had anything bad happen.
20130309 09:24:17< shadowm> wesbot: log 56062
20130309 09:24:18< wesbot> jamit * r56062 : Have unit store a pointer to unit_type instead of a unit_type ID string.In addition to speeding access to the unit_type (no need to search), this makes iteasier to see that a unit always has a valid unit_type (an exception is thrown otherwise).
20130309 09:24:22< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=56062
20130309 09:25:45< shadowm> nouveau, on the other hand, kept hanging up my system during the initial install while I was still trying to figure out how to install the proprietary stack.
20130309 09:25:53< shadowm> *after the initial install
20130309 09:26:23< mordante> is that where you bisect ended?
20130309 09:26:33< shadowm> mordante: Yes.
20130309 09:27:09< shadowm> Unfortunately I do not understand that code so I guess I will have to write a test case and file a bug for jamit.
20130309 09:27:51< Sirp> Ivanovic: only a few. :)
20130309 09:28:22< Ivanovic> and they were all based on goldsrc
20130309 09:28:27< shadowm> It's also impossible to revert that commit cleanly.
20130309 09:28:51< zookeeper> shadowm, i hope you noticed that he said he was leaving for some time
20130309 09:29:01< shadowm> zookeeper: I knowwwwwww.
20130309 09:29:05< zookeeper> okay
20130309 09:29:22< shadowm> But I would have to be crazy or something to mess with the unit/unit_type code again.
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20130309 09:30:53< shadowm> boucman: Coffee left comments on one of the bugs I assigned to you, including a patch I haven't tested yet.
20130309 09:31:16< boucman> ok, i'll try to have a look
20130309 09:31:22< boucman> did we aver see him on irc ?
20130309 09:32:42< shadowm> I don't think so.
20130309 09:32:45< shadowm> wesbot: seen Coffee
20130309 09:32:45< wesbot> shadowm: Sorry, I don't know of Coffee.
20130309 09:33:22< shadowm> I miss coffee (the beverage, not the user).
20130309 09:39:26< mordante> I'm drinking coffee at the moment :-)
20130309 09:46:56< mordante> shadowm, is there a bug report for what you just bisected?
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20130309 09:49:54< shadowm> mordante: No, I don't think so.
20130309 09:50:05< shadowm> Hence I just filed one: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?20604
20130309 09:50:46< shadowm> Hm, wasn't there a way to have the Gna.org issue tracker linkify revision numbers in issue comments? Bah.
20130309 09:52:06< mordante> yes there is ;-P
20130309 09:57:01< shadowm> wesbot: seen jamit
20130309 09:57:01< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick jamit last spoke 10d 12h ago.  10d 12h ago person left:
20130309 09:57:56< shadowm> 01:20 <jamit> I will probably not be following the IRC logs, but if any bugs crop up in something I've done, ping me through the current bug tracker or forum (I'll keep that contact info updated).
20130309 09:58:11< shadowm> Yeah, I think I'm doing it right.
20130309 09:59:40< shadowm> I'm not sure what fabi's unit selection-related commits are. It seems like at least r55425 and r55401 are related.
20130309 10:01:45< shadowm> r55401 doesn't revert cleanly.
20130309 10:05:35-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.6 planned for March 16 | 172 bugs, 333 feature requests, 20 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20130309 10:15:43< shadowm> Oh right, there's still the thing where running trunk wmllint causes a flood of false positives from mainline.
20130309 10:17:42< shadowm> A good amount of them related to the new animation syntax extension.
20130309 10:18:50< shadowm> http://pastebin.com/xaNPNEnH
20130309 10:19:45< shadowm> No idea what it is trying to do with those maps. wmllint is opaque and unhelpful like that half of the time.
20130309 10:20:22< shadowm> Anyway, later.
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20130309 10:21:04< shadowm> Erm.
20130309 10:21:13< shadowm> boucman: Will you test that patch or should I?
20130309 10:21:35< boucman> shadowm: i'll read it right away, but i'll let you test it 
20130309 10:21:38< boucman> is that ok ?
20130309 10:22:21< shadowm> Okay.
20130309 10:24:14< boucman> the patch is good, test and go for it
20130309 10:24:15< boucman> thx
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20130309 10:26:38< shadowm> boucman: Works for me.
20130309 10:26:57< boucman> ok, good for commit the
20130309 10:26:58< boucman> then
20130309 10:27:41< shadowm> It doesn't fix the other bug, though.
20130309 10:28:22< boucman> shadowm: the other one is unrelated. the patch only touch the death-specific code path
20130309 10:28:52< shadowm> Okay.
20130309 10:36:39< Ivanovic> mordante: and i am drinking some tea...
20130309 10:40:36< mordante> Ivanovic, by now I finished my coffee, I prefer it warm
20130309 10:41:05< Ivanovic> got lots of tea here, so some will still be warm even in an hour
20130309 10:43:45< mordante> I drink tea in the afternoon and then also enough to last for about 1.5 hours :-)
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20130309 13:02:29< boucman> shadowm: did you commit the patch ?
20130309 13:02:56< shadowm> I thought you'd see in your email inbox that I assigned it to you.
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20130309 13:09:05< boucman> ok
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20130309 13:56:18< Artemius> For which platform do you recommend me to contribute wesnoth.? Android or linux?  
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20130309 13:57:20< shadowm> The mainline Wesnoth source code is maintained for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows, and it is used by a broader audience.
20130309 13:57:29< shadowm> It is also free, and official, and well-maintained.
20130309 13:58:13< shadowm> The Android port lags behind (it is currently based upon Wesnoth 1.8, the latest mainline stable series is 1.10) and unofficial.
20130309 13:59:23< shadowm> I suspect we are also far more open to contributions than the Android port, which is maintained by a single develoepr.
20130309 14:00:32< shadowm> Here you have a whole range of coders and non-coders from various backgrounds and different skill levels working continuously on the official, mainline codebase and associated content.
20130309 14:00:57< shadowm> I think my rhetoric should be pretty convincing.
20130309 14:01:01< shadowm> Anyway, later.
20130309 14:01:11< Artemius> I understand,  so for a practical purposes for GSoC linux version of Wesnoth is much proper 
20130309 14:01:41< shadowm> Well, there is no "Linux version" of Wesnoth. The mainline codebase is meant to build and run on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.
20130309 14:02:51< Artemius> Ohh I meant the one I have played on Linux. 
20130309 14:03:34< shadowm> If you are going to work with the source code, you should know that it is cross-platform by design and making a distinction between those three target platforms is not very practical unless you want to implement some feature that definitely cannot be cross-platform for some reason.
20130309 14:04:40< shadowm> But yeah, you have played the official (cross-platform) version of Wesnoth on Linux then.
20130309 14:08:38< Artemius> Hmm, may it be any android related projects of Wesnoth in this year GSoC project recommendations? 
20130309 14:10:45< shadowm> I doubt it since the existing Android port maintainer hasn't done anything to get his changes merged into the official tree, so official Android suupport will probably never happen.
20130309 14:11:18< shadowm> I also suspect working on such a thing would require far more effort and time than it is generally considered appropriate for the scope of GSoC.
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20130309 14:13:16< shadowm> We also don't know at this time whether we'll be participating in GSoC this year; we will make an announcement on the matter in time, anyway.
20130309 14:15:30< mordante> of course if we don't participate in GSoC, you're still welcome to contribute to Wesnoth
20130309 14:16:33< Artemius> Anyway,  I spend some time on Wesnoth source code, and it seems after couple of day,  it is very enjoyable to contribute 
20130309 14:16:43< mordante> :-)
20130309 14:17:18< Artemius> This is the first time I contribute an Open Source game, :) 
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20130309 15:50:42< bumbadadabum> I was asking, could I maybe get commit access to commit some fixes to the Dark Assassin in UtBS?
20130309 15:50:50< bumbadadabum> (and other small things)
20130309 15:52:01< bumbadadabum> (mainly don't want to submit patches changing 1 file)
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20130309 16:00:03< mordante> bumbadadabum, did you already submit some patches?
20130309 16:00:08< bumbadadabum> Yes
20130309 16:01:00< mordante> how many?
20130309 16:01:10< bumbadadabum> Only 2.
20130309 16:01:24< lipkab> bumbadadabum: If the fixes are so subtle that they don't merit a patch, why not just drop a line to the maintainer (Alarantalara)?
20130309 16:01:54< mordante> normally we grant svn access after a few good patches, who reviewed/committed your patches?
20130309 16:02:03< bumbadadabum> mordante: AI0867
20130309 16:02:20< bumbadadabum> lipkab: They're not extremely subtle
20130309 16:02:41< lipkab> Then why not a patch...? :P
20130309 16:02:44< bumbadadabum> well, they are noticeable for users
20130309 16:02:51< bumbadadabum> lipkab: http://pastebin.com/ZFKK8V4L
20130309 16:02:54< bumbadadabum> this is the diff
20130309 16:05:44< mordante> bumbadadabum, did you already upload an SSH key at GNA?
20130309 16:06:16< bumbadadabum> No.
20130309 16:06:56< mordante> best upload one it can take a while before they are processed, _if_ you're granted access you can't use it until your key is processed
20130309 16:08:46< mordante> I see only one patch, could you point me to the second https://gna.org/users/bumbadadabum
20130309 16:09:25< bumbadadabum> mordante: I think I showed it to zookeeper and then it got submitted
20130309 16:09:35< bumbadadabum> not on gna, IIRC
20130309 16:09:37< mordante> ah ok
20130309 16:10:42< mordante> I think for now it's best to submit a few more patches
20130309 16:10:58< mordante> and ask again when they are committed
20130309 16:11:19< bumbadadabum> ok
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20130309 17:03:48< thunderstruck> can I update pot and po files using scons?
20130309 17:04:53< mordante> no idea but loonycyborg should know
20130309 17:05:37< thunderstruck> I've also tried this method: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Translation_Maintainance_Commands#pot-update
20130309 17:05:58< thunderstruck> but it doesn't work
20130309 17:09:06< mordante> no it refers to the automake tools, which have been removed for a while
20130309 17:16:21< thunderstruck> Ok. I thought this referred to cmake. Maybe I can do it with cmake then? Is there up-date wiki page on this?
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20130309 17:16:48< thunderstruck> up-to-date*
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20130309 17:19:06< mordante> it is possible with cmake you need to make your cmake build environment with the option ENABLE_POT_UPDATE_TARGET set to ON
20130309 17:19:56< mordante> then make pot-update is available
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20130309 19:34:45< loonycyborg> thunderstruck: scons pot-update
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20130309 21:07:17< thunderstruck> loonycyborg: and how to compile mo file using scons?
20130309 21:07:39< loonycyborg> scons translations
20130309 21:08:07< loonycyborg> scons translations/some/file.mo should work too
20130309 21:08:17< thunderstruck> thanks
20130309 22:00:05< mordante> I'm off night
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20130309 22:33:07< AI0867> wesbot: log r56467
20130309 22:33:08< wesbot> ai0867 * r56467 : Add missing nightblade animations to UtBS Dark Assassin. Patch by bumbadadabum
20130309 22:33:11< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=56467
20130309 22:36:36< jamit> wesbot: log r56464
20130309 22:36:37< wesbot> jamit * r56464 : Find the base unit type before applying a variation [effect].Fixes bug #20604.
20130309 22:36:40< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=56464
20130309 22:36:45< jamit> shadowm: ^
20130309 22:42:05< jamit> I'm off again. Just popped in for that bug fix.
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20130309 22:55:07< Espreon> jamit: Eh, I thought the gradual defogging's kinda cool, but then again, I don't matter.
20130309 22:55:35< Espreon> ... I guess.
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20130309 23:00:59< lipkab> Espreon: Nobody hurt the fog...
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