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20130312 01:54:23< mattsc> esr: Thanks for taking the time to explain.  That's why I asked.  I suspected something like that, but I barely know current-day English.  :-)
20130312 01:59:54< mattsc> (as evidenced by that sentence, grr)
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20130312 08:52:10< boucman_work> morning
20130312 09:03:03< thunderstruck> good morning
20130312 09:13:42< _Coffee> afternoon
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20130312 09:41:23< shadowm> _Coffee: I assume you're thoroughly testing every change you commit, yes?
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20130312 10:00:49< thunderstruck> I've been working on date translations(#20268). I got them working, but the implementation is a bit cumbersome, because I had to use an if statement for every month and weekday (http://pastebin.com/PCqSC6zU). Is there a better way to do it?
20130312 10:02:24< thunderstruck> paste with highlighting: http://pastebin.com/wiWkmdtC
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20130312 10:05:34-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.6 planned for March 16 | 168 bugs, 333 feature requests, 18 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20130312 10:08:43< _Coffee> shadowm: of course :)
20130312 10:09:27< _Coffee> I am still trying to see what you are saying is wrong with the animations for level out
20130312 10:09:42< _Coffee> as the changes we made shouldn't affect that area
20130312 10:10:31< _Coffee> and I still don't see the flicker
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20130312 10:16:17< shadowm> I still see it.
20130312 10:16:27< shadowm> Are you comparing against 1.10 as I recommended?
20130312 10:16:49< _Coffee> yes
20130312 10:16:54< _Coffee> against 1.10.5
20130312 10:16:57< _Coffee> I have both open
20130312 10:17:05< shadowm> You should pay close attention to how the level-up sequence goes.
20130312 10:17:07< _Coffee> and the look the same to me :S
20130312 10:17:17< _Coffee> on 1x speed
20130312 10:17:57< shadowm> The levelout part of the sequence is the original unit being gradually tinted white. Immediately afterwards, it is replaced with the new unit, and then the levelin animation plays with the unit being gradually untinted from white.
20130312 10:18:05< shadowm> In 1.10, there is no gap between both animations.
20130312 10:18:39< shadowm> On trunk, the new unit appears untinted for an instant, resulting in that flicker effect.
20130312 10:18:47< shadowm> *flickering
20130312 10:18:54< _Coffee> hmm
20130312 10:18:54< shadowm> Then the levelin animation plays as usual.
20130312 10:19:05< _Coffee> I have a save on trunk version just before level up of a wose
20130312 10:19:12< _Coffee> that I am testing now
20130312 10:19:46< _Coffee> no flicker here?
20130312 10:19:46< boucman_work> that sort of stuff can be very performance dependant, and can depend on unit type (though the later might be suprising in this case)
20130312 10:20:38< shadowm> Well, try Druid -> Shyde.
20130312 10:20:46< _Coffee> ok
20130312 10:20:50< _Coffee> will try
20130312 10:20:53< shadowm> Neither overrides levelin or levelout, but maybe the fact that the Shyde has a halo makes a difference.
20130312 10:21:11< shadowm> Although I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen with haloless units too.
20130312 10:21:26< _Coffee> ah
20130312 10:21:38< _Coffee> the halos have been affected by the animation changes for shyde
20130312 10:21:58< shadowm> As for performance, the machine in question runs with an Intel Core i7 up to 3.9 GHz, quad-core and with HT enabled.
20130312 10:22:01< _Coffee> I mean that they are not intended to have new bugs
20130312 10:22:10< _Coffee> but the rest was unchanged
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20130312 10:23:20< _Coffee> I have an i5 with 3.6 Ghz, no HT
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20130312 10:23:36< _Coffee> but I would think the video card is maybe more important here?
20130312 10:24:38< shadowm> I doubt it because Wesnoth renders exclusively using sofware surfaces.
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20130312 10:25:30< shadowm> I do use a GL compositor, but I did test Wesnoth 1.10 versus trunk a bunch of times. Why would trunk suddenly make a difference in rendering?
20130312 10:26:50< _Coffee> hmm
20130312 10:27:00< _Coffee> no flicker for me for druid -> shyde
20130312 10:27:12< _Coffee> I don't know
20130312 10:27:19< _Coffee> boucman? :P
20130312 10:27:52< shadowm> What's your build's optimization level?
20130312 10:28:19< _Coffee> whatever default is I would guess
20130312 10:28:34< _Coffee> I don't know how to check
20130312 10:28:36< shadowm> I guess I'll have to try building with every build configuration I can think of. O3 vs O2 vs O1 vs O0, native vs genericm etc,
20130312 10:28:50< shadowm> Later, when I am at my desktop again.
20130312 10:28:52< shadowm> *grumble*
20130312 10:29:02< shadowm> Or bisect it.
20130312 10:29:07< _Coffee> well, there should be no difference in the experience for this animation sequence
20130312 10:29:18< _Coffee> as none of the code was changed for this
20130312 10:29:40< _Coffee> most of it was aimed at introducing new support for WML syntax
20130312 10:29:47< _Coffee> the C++ code that is
20130312 10:29:55< shadowm> Actually, bisecting it should take less time than testing 8 different builds seeing as how I have been bisecting crap as of late anyway.
20130312 10:29:58< shadowm> But still, later.
20130312 10:30:26< shadowm> *building and testing
20130312 10:30:42< _Coffee> well, I can also take a look to see if there is a 1 frame of no whiteness
20130312 10:30:52< _Coffee> from the source with a print statement
20130312 10:31:24< shadowm> I suppose, but perhaps you could get a spurious frame that never gets a chance to be drawn that way?
20130312 10:31:33< shadowm> I have no idea how the animation code nor do I want to know.
20130312 10:31:42< _Coffee> well, I am new to it
20130312 10:31:43< shadowm> I accidentally a word there.
20130312 10:31:50< _Coffee> boucman really knows it
20130312 10:32:48< _Coffee> I am happy to do the leg work if you've got any ideas boucman?
20130312 10:33:02< _Coffee> sorry, I know you are at work
20130312 10:35:47< boucman_work> _Coffee: at this point, the question is : do we add a default frame at the beginning of level-in animation (or at the end of level out) with a duration of 1 and is it played
20130312 10:36:06< _Coffee> oh
20130312 10:36:08< _Coffee> yes
20130312 10:36:09< boucman_work> it's level in, not level out, now that I think of it since it's the new unit that is seen
20130312 10:36:15< _Coffee> I've seen that kind of thing around
20130312 10:36:58< boucman_work> so look for that (with printf since your machine seems to skip that redraw)
20130312 10:46:26< _Coffee> I don't see any obvious 1 duration frames added
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20130312 10:49:46< shadowm> boucman_work: Er.
20130312 10:50:03< _Coffee> he's always at work :P
20130312 10:50:06< shadowm> Never mind.
20130312 10:50:14< shadowm> No, he's not always at work.
20130312 10:50:16< _Coffee> I figure however that is because I am in a different time zone
20130312 10:50:24< shadowm> Yes.
20130312 10:50:25< _Coffee> and see him always at work :P
20130312 10:50:31< boucman_work> hehe
20130312 10:50:38< shadowm> For me it's 6:50 in the morning..
20130312 10:51:45< _Coffee> here it is 8:20PM
20130312 10:52:06< _Coffee> and too hot to d anything else anyways
20130312 10:53:17< _Coffee> there is a drawing layer it seems
20130312 10:53:25< _Coffee> and it gets swapped with another layer
20130312 10:53:36< _Coffee> I suppose this is wesnoths double buffering
20130312 10:53:48< _Coffee> it is possible that all animations have this bug
20130312 10:54:05< _Coffee> but it is only noticed in the levelout -> levelin because they follow eachother
20130312 10:57:04< _Coffee> boucman_work: do you have some time that you can spare (after work) to bug-fix this?
20130312 10:57:30< _Coffee> I think it could be in the swapping of the image buffers
20130312 10:57:46< boucman_work> not really tonight, no...
20130312 10:57:57< boucman_work> but I don't see how the swapping could be blamed here
20130312 10:57:59< _Coffee> well, there is no real hurry with this :P
20130312 10:58:33< _Coffee> not swapping per say, but swapping without the white image modification for a frame
20130312 10:59:27< shadowm> I think the plan I mentioned above of allowing me to bisect the bug might be a better idea.
20130312 10:59:50< _Coffee> well, ok
20130312 11:00:13< shadowm> In case you are not familiarized with the term, "bisecting" means going over a set of potential culprit commits using a binary search scheme until you find the culprit.
20130312 11:00:16< _Coffee> (what does bisecting mean) :P
20130312 11:00:40< shadowm> Git makes this real easy (as well as my powerful desktop machine), and since I use git-svn, well, yeah.
20130312 11:01:20< _Coffee> like deleting half the code and seeing if the bug disappears and so on until you zoom in on it?
20130312 11:03:34< _Coffee> the only mention of the levelin and levelout anims is between lines 408 and 414 of unit_animation.cpp
20130312 11:04:01< _Coffee> that calls the override function in unit_frame.cpp at line 509
20130312 11:05:04< shadowm> _Coffee: No, it's simpler than that, but it does require a powerful machine in Wesnoth's case.
20130312 11:05:20< shadowm> The procedure involves checking out the tree at different commits and rebuilding and testing.
20130312 11:05:49< _Coffee> oh, now I know what you are talking about
20130312 11:06:19< _Coffee> mine compiles pretty quick, as long as I remember to use the -j option
20130312 11:06:51< _Coffee> the difference can be a few minutes to compile the lot to over half an hour
20130312 11:07:04< _Coffee> for me
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20130312 11:59:46< shadowm> wesbot: log
20130312 11:59:52< shadowm> Er.
20130312 11:59:59< shadowm> wesbot: log 56482
20130312 12:00:00< wesbot> shadowmaster * r56482 : gui2/ttitle_screen: Place the version/revision number label on the bottom left corner of the screenFinally achieved this in a resolution-safe manner (unlike r47156) bymoving the label to a separate layer of the parent stacked widget thatgoes beneath the main button-littered layer (to avoid stealing events).
20130312 12:00:05< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=56482
20130312 12:01:00< shadowm> Before you ask, no the commit message isn't ugly like that.
20130312 12:01:27< shadowm> wesbot appears to eat newlines for some reason.
20130312 12:03:20< shadowm> lipkab: Please try to use consistent indentation in GUI2 WML files. We use tabstops atm.
20130312 12:03:46< shadowm> I think _someone_ who will not be me will eventually see that and complain more loudly about it.
20130312 12:04:07< shadowm> *louder
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20130312 19:21:43< lipkab> shadowm: Thanks for fixing. I meant to use tabs, something must have gone wrong with my editor configuration.
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20130312 20:10:55< mordante> servus
20130312 20:12:20< bumbadadabum> δοῦλος
20130312 20:13:59< mordante> hi bumbadadabum
20130312 20:14:09< mordante> what does δοῦλος mean?
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20130312 20:15:24< bumbadadabum> "slave"
20130312 20:15:38< Espreon> It's just a Hellenization of that odd greeting you're so fond of.
20130312 20:15:51< mordante> and in which language bumbadadabum 
20130312 20:15:55< bumbadadabum> greek
20130312 20:17:16< mordante> ah ok
20130312 20:18:16< Espreon> There are so many better greetings in the world, but I guess someone has to like stuff like "servus".
20130312 20:18:45< mordante> better in the eye of the beholder :-P
20130312 20:21:18< Espreon> Better in sooth, actually, but I shan't argue about it.
20130312 20:23:02< Espreon> mordante: Do you feel as though you have time to inspect a patch?
20130312 20:24:14< mordante> Espreon, how big is the patch? I don't have much time today, will have more time tomorrow
20130312 20:24:53< mordante> esr, I'll look at the cmake changes for the git-id later this week
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20130312 20:25:15< Espreon> Hmmm, I actually don't know how big it is, but this is the one I had in mind: https://gna.org/patch/?3777
20130312 20:25:18< Espreon> mordante: ^
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20130312 20:27:41< mordante> Espreon, please assign it to me
20130312 20:28:45< mordante> thunderstruck, regarding your patch 3777, why translate all month strings manually? strftime already has this feature
20130312 20:28:49< Espreon> All right
20130312 20:29:03< Espreon> mordante: Please read this carefully: https://gna.org/bugs/?20268
20130312 20:29:06< mordante> thanks
20130312 20:29:27< Espreon> And please remember there are those who are oppressed.
20130312 20:29:38< thunderstruck> mordante: strftime translates all months and weekdays only if user has specific locale installed
20130312 20:30:16< Espreon> OK, I've assigned it to you, mordante.
20130312 20:30:42< mordante> thunderstruck, well I think we can expect/assume that for the common locales
20130312 20:31:50< Espreon> Yes, but we can't assume that for oppressed, minority, and dead languages.
20130312 20:31:52< mordante> I don't think it is a good idea to add these 'translations' for all common locales
20130312 20:32:13< mordante> it causes extra work for translators and might result in different translations
20130312 20:32:25< thunderstruck> mordante: did you read my patch description?
20130312 20:32:43< thunderstruck> my function applies translations only if locale is not installed
20130312 20:33:22< thunderstruck> So the result is never worse.
20130312 20:33:35< mordante> yes but it doesn't solve the issue for unneeded translations
20130312 20:34:07< Espreon> It's not that much extra work.
20130312 20:34:19< Espreon> I mean, really.
20130312 20:36:10< mordante> I'm not saying I'm against fixing it for the case of dead languages, but I'm not convinced this is the best approach
20130312 20:37:22< Soliton> being independent of system locales doesn't sound so bad.
20130312 20:38:00< Soliton> you'll never know what a certain system considers a dead language anyway, i'd think.
20130312 20:40:04< Espreon> mordante: How would you solve the problem, then?
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20130312 20:40:24< Espreon> Also, don't forget about the minority and oppressed languages.
20130312 20:40:34< thunderstruck> I agree with Soliton. And as Espreon said, it's not much extra work. There's basically no thinking involved while translating months and weekdays.
20130312 20:40:34< Espreon> (But I suppose most people don't care about these)
20130312 20:43:50< thunderstruck> mordante: if you have any other question, comments or suggestions how to improve it, I'll be here in about one hour later.
20130312 20:44:01< thunderstruck> questions*
20130312 20:45:42< mordante> Soliton, except that this version will fail for %c since it can't translate the date separator
20130312 20:46:19< mordante> thunderstruck, I'll think about it, but not today. As I said earlier I don't have much time today
20130312 20:46:23< mordante> will be back tomorrow
20130312 20:46:35< Soliton> i'm not sure how that pertains to my statement.
20130312 20:47:05< Soliton> you seem to be talking about some implementation detail.
20130312 20:50:35< mordante> I think duplicating the entire locale system in Wesnoth does sound like a bad idea
20130312 20:53:02< mordante> I'm off now, bye
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20130312 22:40:26< shadowm> lipkab: I haven't fixed it.
20130312 22:41:34< shadowm> Unlike "that other guy", I do not like committing indentation fixes for other people as a matter of principle.
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20130312 23:52:24< shadowm> fendrin: Hi.
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20130312 23:55:45< shadowm> Okay, I'm going to bisect #20602 now and oh gods
20130312 23:55:47< shadowm> > Bisecting: 208 revisions left to test after this (roughly 8 steps)
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