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20130318 02:37:52< irker935> wesnoth: ai0867 * r56542 /trunk/src/server/server.cpp: 
20130318 02:37:53< irker935> wesnoth: Change two immediate disconnects to queued disconnects so [error] messages actually arrive at the client
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20130318 08:15:14< _Coffee> hello all
20130318 08:15:31< _Coffee> what happened to wesnoth 1.10.6 and 1.11.2?
20130318 08:15:45< Ivanovic> 1.10.6 was tagged and will be announced sometime soon
20130318 08:15:54< Ivanovic> 1.11.2: c.f. topic
20130318 08:16:06< _Coffee> Ivanovic: thanks, that was quick
20130318 08:16:24< Ivanovic> off to work now, cu
20130318 08:16:32< _Coffee> so I suppose I should wait before a large commit then
20130318 08:16:46< Ivanovic> for trunk? yes
20130318 08:16:52< _Coffee> thanks
20130318 08:16:52< Ivanovic> for 1.10? no
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20130318 16:05:35-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.6 released, announcing "soon" | waiting for mordante before releasing 1.11.2 | 170 bugs, 333 feature requests, 19 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20130318 17:47:09< _8680_> If one changes an add-on's directory name but not its PBL title=, then re-uploads it, will this result in a duplicate add-on?
20130318 17:47:25< _8680_> If one changes an add-on's PBL title= but not its directory name, then re-uploads it, will this result in a duplicate add-on?
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20130318 18:01:43< _Coffee> _8680_: don't know exactly, but I think with the 1.11.x series there can only be one addon with the same title in the list
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20130318 18:27:23< thunderstruck> It has been fixed https://gna.org/patch/?3769
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20130318 22:15:57< shadowm> zookeeper: About Glamdrol and Rumwhatever in the Wesnoth map, have you ever looked at the in-game help's Encyclopedia section in 1.11.x?
20130318 22:16:44< shadowm> They are mentioned in the Northlands section.
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20130318 22:16:56< zookeeper> shadowm, oh, right. thanks, i forgot to edit that.
20130318 22:17:21< shadowm> The Far North section doesn't mention Dorset/Dorest for some reason, but it does mention Castelfrang, I assume that's the correct spelling?
20130318 22:17:44< zookeeper> doesn't matter if i'm going to get rid of it :p
20130318 22:17:56< shadowm> Also, can someone kill that stupid "the wide green world" thing in the Irdya topic?
20130318 22:18:28< shadowm> If I ever find out who came up with that pseudopoetic BS they'll get a baseball bat to the face.
20130318 22:19:01< zookeeper> well i think we can make an educated guess on that
20130318 22:20:14< shadowm> In other news, while I was offline I took a look at the :inspect dialog.
20130318 22:20:58< shadowm> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-inspector-before-1.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-inspector-before-2.png
20130318 22:21:26< shadowm> I had a third screenshot of my console displaying an assertion failure, but I guess I deleted it in the meantime.
20130318 22:21:36< shadowm> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-inspector-improvements-1.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-inspector-improvements-2.png
20130318 22:21:51< shadowm> People who use :inspect, comment on this.
20130318 22:22:12< shadowm> e.g. Gambit, vultraz, bumbadadabum, all other mainline and UMC WML coders.
20130318 22:23:23< shadowm> And no, the changes are not merged in trunk yet.
20130318 22:23:50< Gambit> good
20130318 22:23:59< Gambit> can reclaim about 50px off the left column though?
20130318 22:24:14< bumbadadabum> I like
20130318 22:24:19< Espreon> shadowm: Nice.
20130318 22:24:37< bumbadadabum> shadowm: What Gambit says
20130318 22:25:22< shadowm> Gambit, bumbadadabum : Could you elaborate, please?
20130318 22:25:32< Gambit> shadowm: the left column could be 50px thinner
20130318 22:25:33< shadowm> Also note that GUI2 listboxes are ridiculously inflexible and flexible at the same time.
20130318 22:25:48< shadowm> Their width cannot be manipulated in the WML layout definition, but they tend to do ridiculous things at runtime.
20130318 22:26:01< Gambit> it's sooooo wide now
20130318 22:26:09< shadowm> Yeah, can't do that.
20130318 22:26:25< shadowm> Also note that it's as wide as the bottommost listbox wants to be.
20130318 22:26:27< Gambit> well it's still an improvement I guess
20130318 22:26:42< shadowm> Which previous meant it could be as wide as your screen depending on the resolution.
20130318 22:26:55< shadowm> And what items were being displayed, etc.
20130318 22:26:58< bumbadadabum> shadowm: I was going to ask what resolution you're using
20130318 22:27:06< shadowm> 800x480 in the screenshots.
20130318 22:27:13< bumbadadabum> ok
20130318 22:27:39< shadowm> 1920x1080 minus whatever my KDE panel's vertical size minus whatever my window decoration height is, most of the time.
20130318 22:28:18< shadowm> 800x480 is supposed to be the lowest resolution we support, and :inspect is unusable most of the time without this series of patches I've not committed yet.
20130318 22:29:12< shadowm> Anyway I'm open to more suggestions within the limitations of GUI2 before merging this.
20130318 22:29:31< shadowm> Feel free to vote as to whether I should merge it before Ivanovic tags 1.11.2 too.
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20130318 22:30:49< shadowm> wesbot: log 55401
20130318 22:30:51< wesbot> fendrin * r55401 : Movement of units to a selected hex field.Highlighting of the selected hex field + units in reachLabels the selected hex field with the number of reachable units.
20130318 22:30:55< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=55401
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20130318 22:40:28< shadowm> So has anyone tested my fix for https://gna.org/bugs/?18793 yet?
20130318 22:40:43< shadowm> Or am I the only one doing any testing on trunk as of late?
20130318 22:41:06< shadowm> That would be such a ridiculous inversion of the previous situation.
20130318 22:41:38< shadowm> And yes, I wanted that to land on 1.10 before 1.10.6 but I was forced offline last weekend.
20130318 22:41:51< shadowm> Hence the big caps in the commit message.
20130318 22:41:52< shadowm> But yeah, who pays attention to commit messages here?
20130318 22:42:00< shadowm> Aside from me, that is.
20130318 22:42:12< shadowm> I'm guessing about 0 more people?
20130318 22:42:58< shadowm> And yes, I know I misspelled scroll_to_tiles() in the subject, but seriously, does anyone actually pay attention?
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20130318 22:45:11< lipkab> shadowm, You speak as if there was some sort of teamwork going on here :P
20130318 22:45:45< shadowm> That's the whole point.
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20130318 22:48:04< shadowm> It's even more astounding that nobody perceived #18793 as a bug in the first place back when I first reported it.
20130318 22:48:22< shadowm> When it was a blatant coding mistake all along.
20130318 22:48:31< lipkab> I often wondered, did Wesnoth ever have a roadmap or any other kinds of development coordination?
20130318 22:48:42< lipkab> (Not as if I would miss it much)
20130318 22:48:44< shadowm> I believe it did for 1.0 and 1.2.
20130318 22:49:49< shadowm> But when I started things were already a big mess of people tossing patches into this massive smelly stew.
20130318 22:50:54< lipkab> Maybe it's better this way. Too much duties could scare away people.
20130318 22:52:05< shadowm> But then people complain when things break in hilariously convoluted ways.
20130318 22:52:11< shadowm> (e.g. AI in 1.5.5.)
20130318 22:54:04< shadowm> (or so.)
20130318 22:55:19< shadowm> And then there's the fact that as :inspect itself shows, we use broken and unstable code in production because ... ?
20130318 22:55:58< shadowm> (GUI2, not the :inspect dialog itself, although I may as well take this opportunity to mention that the model/view model used in its implementation seems particularly un-GUI2.)
20130318 22:57:37< lipkab> I've never found GUI2 unstable. It's incomplete, but it works well.
20130318 22:58:04< bumbadadabum> SOMEONE should finish it
20130318 22:58:24< lipkab> SOMEONE should write my homework.
20130318 22:58:39< shadowm> lipkab: You haven't used it enough.
20130318 22:58:42< bumbadadabum> SOMEONE could do it for a shitload of money
20130318 22:59:05< lipkab> SOMEONE should save the pandas from extinction.
20130318 22:59:08< shadowm> As I said, :inspect (as it is in trunk right now) tends to cause assertion failures (e.g. CTD) under certain conditions, especially on low resolutions.
20130318 22:59:21< lipkab> shadowm, Maybe.
20130318 22:59:28< shadowm> My usage of GUI2 with Lua and my own C++ dialogs also shows that listboxes are broken.
20130318 22:59:53< shadowm> That was supposedly being fixed as of 1.11.0-svn, but I never heard back from "that guy" again.
20130318 23:00:24< shadowm> Broken as in, removing items from them can also cause assertion failures (CTD).
20130318 23:00:48< shadowm> Which is kind of a big issue when you are trying to implement a file selection dialgo that allows creating or deleting folders or files.
20130318 23:01:14< shadowm> "That guy" has also repeatedly said that GUI2 is unstable and incomplete himself and that we shouldn't be using it for our own stuff.
20130318 23:01:27< shadowm> Even though it was him who forced it upon us pretty much everywhere in the first place.
20130318 23:02:10< shadowm> Has the infinite blurring bug been fixed yet? I doubt it, otherwise the titlescreen and [message] dialogs would already have that blurring that they really need.
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20130318 23:03:50< lipkab> (It's funny how can the word 'GUI2' trigger an instant shadow-rant)
20130318 23:04:05< lipkab> *shadowm-rant
20130318 23:04:17< shadowm> I could write a long essay on the matter.
20130318 23:04:57< shadowm> But I would have to publish it somewhere where it could be seen and taken out of context by the wrong people.
20130318 23:05:24< lipkab> Is GUI2 really that complicated internally that us mere mortals can't fix things?
20130318 23:05:26< shadowm> And I don't want to do that because GUI2's main flaw is that its implementation is done by and for one specific developer.
20130318 23:05:29< shadowm> Yes.
20130318 23:05:58< lipkab> That's sad.
20130318 23:06:01 * shadowm rebases his gui2-file-dialog branch to see if it magically works now.
20130318 23:07:58< shadowm> Who the ...
20130318 23:08:14< shadowm> What.
20130318 23:08:19< shadowm> Okay.
20130318 23:08:49< shadowm> So we started with foreach(T item, container), where foreach was a macro that evaluated to BOOST_FOREACH and caused various issues with upstream code.
20130318 23:09:01< shadowm> Then we reverted to BOOST_FOREACH(T item, container)
20130318 23:09:47< shadowm> And now someone decided to make that FOREACH(AUTO_LIKE_T item, container), where AUTO_LIKE_T is AFAICT always the macro AUTO which evalutes to nothing?
20130318 23:10:14< shadowm> Was there a mailing list post about this or am I supposed to have oracle powers or please someone tell me what I am supposed to make of this.
20130318 23:10:58< Espreon> It all boils down to: you-know-who knows what's best and doesn't need to notify anyone about changes like this.
20130318 23:11:09< shadowm> I don't even know who did this and when.
20130318 23:11:22< Espreon> I believe it's ... that guy.
20130318 23:11:43< Espreon> ... he who wishes to conceal his failure.
20130318 23:11:50< shadowm> !log 56221
20130318 23:11:50< shikadibot> shadowm: Revision 56221 (mordante) on Sat Feb  9 16:11:07 2013:
20130318 23:11:51< shikadibot> shadowm: Replace BOOST_FOREACH with FOREACH.
20130318 23:11:51< shikadibot> shadowm: Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=56221
20130318 23:12:20< shadowm> That commit message tells me absolutely nothing, and neither does the diff.
20130318 23:12:37< Espreon> Well, what did you expect?
20130318 23:12:45< shadowm> But it seems it was done on February 9th, so there must be a mailing list post about it.
20130318 23:13:43< shadowm> Nope.
20130318 23:13:53< shadowm> Only a lot of BS from the other "that guy" and the Git stuff.
20130318 23:14:12< shadowm> Nothing from this "that guy" about r56221 whatsoever.
20130318 23:14:24< shadowm> Which I presume is part of a series of linked. microcommits.
20130318 23:15:09< shadowm> The first commit in the series is r56206 and doesn't tell me anything.
20130318 23:15:41< shadowm> Ah, okay, it's linked to r56204, whose commit message doesn't tell me anything either.
20130318 23:15:52< lipkab> "Replace BOOST_FOREACH with FOREACH" -> pretty straightforward, isn't it?
20130318 23:15:55< shadowm> It doesn't tell me what I should do or what I should have done or what I am supposed to do in the future.
20130318 23:16:00< shadowm> lipkab: No.
20130318 23:17:11< lipkab> Well, okay.
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20130318 23:17:45< shadowm> Okay, the documentation looks iffy. It looks like things are straightforward if my type is a reference, but what about pointers? Or references to pointers? etc.
20130318 23:18:23< shadowm> And in any case, this "that guy" did it on GUI2 code only.
20130318 23:18:32< shadowm> What am I supposed to do for code living outside src/gui?
20130318 23:18:34< shadowm> Etcetera.
20130318 23:18:47< shadowm> So many questions and nary an answer.
20130318 23:19:48< shadowm> Code living outside src/gui continues to use BOOST_FOREACH instead for heretofore unknown reasons.
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20130318 23:21:03< shadowm> In case "that guy" reads this later, if I start seeing answers before you have read this line I will eat a litter of kittens or something.
20130318 23:22:32< shadowm> Anyway.
20130318 23:22:34< shadowm> src/gui/dialogs/file_dialog.cpp:189:24: error: ‘INVISIBLE’ is not a member of ‘gui2::twidget’
20130318 23:22:39< lipkab> shadowm, I guess that guy who cant not be named for unknown reasons regards GUI2 as private business and that's why you didn't get notified about the change.
20130318 23:23:02< lipkab> If needed to do anything, you'd have been told about it.
20130318 23:23:08< lipkab> *you needed
20130318 23:23:11< shadowm> lipkab: Except it's not a private business.
20130318 23:23:14< shadowm> See that commit above.
20130318 23:23:21< shadowm> Look at the copyright header of the file it changed.
20130318 23:23:39< shadowm> Guess whose name that is.
20130318 23:23:47< lipkab> vultraz?
20130318 23:23:59< shadowm> Yes, let's pretend for a moment that vultraz can write C++.
20130318 23:24:22< shadowm> He's not being told why that commit was needed or what he should do in the future within src/gui/ or otherwise.
20130318 23:25:21< shadowm> As for "private business", the sole fact that "private" is being mentioned in the same conversation where we are discussing a very public-facing component irks me greatly.
20130318 23:26:00< Espreon> His private branches > everything else.
20130318 23:26:09< Espreon> ... in terms of importance.
20130318 23:26:11< shadowm> A public-facing component that's depended upon by multiple other people than this "that guy" and the guy who you jokingly suggested to be vultraz.
20130318 23:26:12< Espreon> ... to him.
20130318 23:26:32< shadowm> Espreon you don't even understand any of this so please save your facetious comments for yourself or the audience at my channel, kthx.
20130318 23:27:01< Espreon> Yes, I do understand it.
20130318 23:27:02< shadowm> I'm being very technical and stuff while you are just doing this silly greek chorus thing that doesn't make any sense.
20130318 23:27:05< Espreon> And I shan't discuss it.
20130318 23:27:12< Espreon> But, I'll STFU.
20130318 23:29:04< shadowm> Anyway where was I.
20130318 23:29:21< shadowm> Ah yes, I guess "that guy" also renamed an enum type and its members from uppercase to lowercase in the meantime.
20130318 23:29:42< shadowm> Let's see how old is this branch I'm trying to build... 2011.
20130318 23:30:04< shadowm> >     friend class tno_such_friend_exists_but_it_makes_the_compiler_happy;
20130318 23:30:19< shadowm> I.
20130318 23:30:34< shadowm> I guess... this is supposed to be cool or something?
20130318 23:30:44< shadowm> ("That guy"'s code, not mine.)
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20130318 23:31:04< shadowm> Scoped enums, huh.
20130318 23:32:32< lipkab> shadowm, Are you intended to keep bashing "that guy" whole day or night or whatever time you have there?
20130318 23:33:12< shadowm> I'm not bashing "that guy".
20130318 23:33:31< shadowm> I'm complaining about him not being of much help to fellow GUI2 dependants.
20130318 23:33:55< shadowm> Or about this BOOST_FOREACH -> FOREACH done being done only on a single dir for undocumented raisins.
20130318 23:34:17< shadowm> I can tell it's for C++11 compatibility, but that has never stopped him from messing with the whole tree before.
20130318 23:36:17< lipkab> Probably he got tired committing separately for each file :P
20130318 23:37:42< shadowm> shadowm@nanacore:~/src/wesnoth$ find src -name '*.?pp' | wc -l
20130318 23:37:42< shadowm> 1008
20130318 23:37:59< shadowm> I can tell why that could potentially be the case, but I doubt it.
20130318 23:38:39< shadowm> shadowm@nanacore:~/src/wesnoth$ fgrep -RIl BOOST_FOREACH src | wc -l
20130318 23:38:40< shadowm> 147
20130318 23:38:47< shadowm> Okay, that's a better figure.
20130318 23:39:05< shadowm> 147 commits for a single change would still be a preposterous amount of work in my book.
20130318 23:40:11< shadowm> Oh crap, seems like the dialog definition I need  is on my laptop.
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20130318 23:41:31< shadowm> No wait, it's there, hm.
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20130318 23:43:28< shadowm> "Mandatory widget 'filelist' hasn't been defined."  <-  But it _is_ there.
20130318 23:44:27< lipkab> shadowm, Cache problems?
20130318 23:45:17< shadowm> No.
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20130318 23:49:01< shadowm> tlistbox& filelist = find_widget<tlistbox>(&window, "filelist", false);
20130318 23:49:14< shadowm> I must be missing something incredibly obvious that changed since 2011.
20130318 23:50:35< shadowm> Well...
20130318 23:50:46< shadowm> The add-ons uninstall dialog now causes an assertion failure too.
20130318 23:50:53< shadowm> What the hell.
20130318 23:51:27 * shadowm goes back to master.
20130318 23:51:49< shadowm> Ahhhh, I get it.
20130318 23:51:58< shadowm> Now I remember that the "fixed" listbox code is also guarded under --new-widgets.
20130318 23:52:25< shadowm> So that code doesn't recognize these old-styled listboxes in WML.
20130318 23:52:45< shadowm> Well, so much for that.
20130318 23:53:05< shadowm> I guess I have to assume that my file dialog is still broken since it is forced to use the old code for now.
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