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20130329 00:32:39< shadowm> fabi_: The radio button behavior is good, but I don't think you are doing the visual part correctly with regards to the brush size icons.
20130329 00:34:08< shadowm> fabi_: Pressed buttons should either shift their contents by (1,1) on the x and y axes, or not shift them at all. GUI2 buttons do the latter, GUI1 buttons do the former.
20130329 00:34:58< shadowm> fabi_: The brush buttons seem to shift by (-2,0) instead.
20130329 00:35:42< shadowm> fabi_: This looks incredibly weird and inconsistent in practice.
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20130329 00:41:53< thunderstruck> Is Wesnoth patches website on gna still in use?
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20130329 01:30:46< irker055> Boldizsár Lipka wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-24-g0a33e6e / wesnoth.kdevelop: Remove obsolete KDevelop project file.
20130329 01:30:56< shadowm> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20130329 01:31:07< shadowm> Wait, what's the file I use again?
20130329 01:31:47< shadowm> Hm.
20130329 01:31:47< lipkab> shadowm: Don't tell me you were using that ancient thing.
20130329 01:31:54< shadowm> I don't know what I use with kdevelop.
20130329 01:31:59< shadowm> I use something, but I don't know what it is.
20130329 01:32:02< lipkab> It tries to build Wesnoth with autotools.
20130329 01:32:14< shadowm> Yes, but I don't use the build functionality.
20130329 01:32:36< lipkab> What KDevelop version do you use?
20130329 01:32:52< shadowm> 4.3.1.
20130329 01:32:58< _Coffee> lol -- why not keep the build files separate on your local copy?
20130329 01:32:59< lipkab> Cool. Me too.
20130329 01:33:05< shadowm> I have a wesnoth.kdev4 file here, but I don't know if it it's that that I am using or not.
20130329 01:33:21< shadowm> _Coffee: ?
20130329 01:33:55< lipkab> shadowm: the .kdevelop format is incompatible with KDevelop 4, so most likely.
20130329 01:34:06< _Coffee> shadowm: why are the files part of the repository for all?
20130329 01:34:39< shadowm> _Coffee: Because some of us used kdevelop 3 back in the day?
20130329 01:34:56< shadowm> That's like asking why are the VC9 solution and project files part of the repository.
20130329 01:35:01< Gambit> I have contacted github and got a definitive yes from them about hosting us.
20130329 01:35:08< _8680_> shadowm: I thought you disliked IDEs?
20130329 01:35:34< shadowm> _8680_: It's helpful for browsing through our ridiculously massive codebase without having to fgrep all the time.
20130329 01:35:58< shadowm> The downside is that it tends to space out without at least 8 GiB of RAM and a powerful processor.
20130329 01:36:09< shadowm> KDevelop, that is.
20130329 01:36:50< lipkab> Nonsense. 310 MiB here.
20130329 01:37:20< lipkab> The real downside is that it randomly crashes in about every 30 minutes.
20130329 01:37:55< _Coffee> +Kenvironment -- 100GB libraries :P
20130329 01:38:17< lipkab> Those are loaded anyways.
20130329 01:38:43< shadowm> lipkab: What distribution are you using?
20130329 01:38:45< _8680_> 100 GB‽
20130329 01:38:52< lipkab> shadowm: Slackware.
20130329 01:38:57< shadowm> Huh.
20130329 01:38:59< _Coffee> It's amazing how you can spell everything with a k or a g these days
20130329 01:39:54< _8680_> Can KDevelop take Compose Key input?
20130329 01:40:14< shadowm> _8680_: Every Qt 4 application (and by extension, every KDE appliaction) can.
20130329 01:40:27< _8680_> Qt Creator can’t.
20130329 01:40:43< _8680_> And I’m fairly sure it uses Qt.
20130329 01:41:03< _8680_> Quassel couldn’t either.
20130329 01:41:21< shadowm> _8680_: Compose works with Qt Creator for me here.
20130329 01:41:39< _8680_> I must have configured something wrong, then.
20130329 01:41:42< shadowm> Version 2.5.0, using Qt 4.8.2.
20130329 01:45:16< lipkab> Dumb question: how do I checkout a branch into a different directory?
20130329 01:45:24< mattsc> esr, shadowm: something I found written on a beer bottle:
20130329 01:45:29< mattsc> ""Deep inside the Hadron Collider physicists hurtle sub-atomic particles with lightning speed on a collision course with eachother."
20130329 01:45:35< mattsc> Based on your recent discussion, that's the wrong use of hurtle ...
20130329 01:46:12< shadowm> lipkab: There should be a git-new-workdir script accompanying your Git installation.
20130329 01:46:24< shadowm> Somewhere in its documentation dir, for example.
20130329 01:46:50< shadowm> shadowm@nanacore:~$ ls -l /usr/share/doc/git/contrib/workdir/git-new-workdir 
20130329 01:46:53< shadowm> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1886 Nov 24 04:03 /usr/share/doc/git/contrib/workdir/git-new-workdir
20130329 01:47:17< shadowm> That does the job for me (I've used it with the git-svn tree for years).
20130329 01:47:17< lipkab> Ah yes.
20130329 01:47:46< lipkab> Whoaa.
20130329 01:51:21< lipkab> Thankies, that's a really fancy script.
20130329 01:56:38< _Coffee> mattsc: only when you've had too much to drink does lightning move at the speed of light and you can see it come down to earth slowly :)
20130329 02:00:24< mattsc> _Coffee: Yeah, I didn't want to get into all the other things that are wrong with that sentence ...  :)
20130329 02:00:59< mattsc> I just found it funny that a couple days after I learn what hurtle means, I see it written down somewhere (and used incorrectly)
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20130329 02:04:57< shadowm> I think lightning should move actually slower than the speed of light in the air.
20130329 02:05:43< shadowm> In general eletricity doesn't flow through a conductive medium _exactly_ at the speed of light in that medium IIRC.
20130329 02:05:54< shadowm> But I am an ignorant troglodyte, so I might be wrong int hat regard.
20130329 02:07:59< lipkab> The flow speed of electricity has nothing to do with the speed of light.
20130329 02:08:34< _Coffee> yes, it wastes time going between small air particles along the way as far as I understand
20130329 02:08:36< shadowm> Yes, shouldn't it actually be slower?
20130329 02:08:42< _Coffee> I was trying to make a joke on a joke
20130329 02:09:27< shadowm> Doesn't electricity work by having electrons hit each other wait why am I even trying to engage in a discussion about physics.
20130329 02:09:32< mattsc> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_speed_of_lightning
20130329 02:09:43< lipkab> shadowm: Yes.
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20130329 02:12:58< mattsc> _Coffee: and I appreciated the (initial) joke.  Among many things, I found it funny that I found this written on a beer bottle!
20130329 02:13:35< shadowm> "electricity moves at different speeds at different stages of its journey in the lightning flash"
20130329 02:14:07< shadowm> That makes sense considering that air isn't precisely homogeneous at that level and there's a series of chemical reactions along the lightning path.
20130329 02:14:56< shadowm> (it's also definitely not fully homogeneous at the visible level during a storm either, I mean, clouds of water and stuff.)
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20130329 03:13:07-!- Gambit changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: git repo is open, clone & enjoy! | 172 bugs, 332 feature requests, 20 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org | Everyone please vote: http://r.wesnoth.org/t38590
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20130329 04:39:16-!- shadowm changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Developers, please vote: http://r.wesnoth.org/t38590 | 172 bugs, 332 feature requests, 20 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20130329 04:52:28< AI0867> who here has a github account already?
20130329 04:53:52< shadowm> Me.
20130329 04:54:02< _Coffee> AI0867: I have one from working some years ago on another project
20130329 04:54:21< _Coffee> but I also have a SF account
20130329 04:54:43< shadowm> AI0867: Mememememememe no wait you knew that already.
20130329 04:55:04< shadowm> Espreon does as well.
20130329 04:55:10< shadowm> You also knew that.
20130329 04:55:26< shadowm> Dave does too.
20130329 04:55:32< shadowm> You also knew that, didn't you? :p
20130329 04:55:41< shadowm> And Jetrel, and crimson_penguin.
20130329 04:55:47< _Coffee> we all probably have an account :P
20130329 04:56:03< shadowm> To my knowledge Ivanovic doesn't.
20130329 04:56:31< AI0867> I was wondering if I should just claim the namespace and worry about assigning admins later
20130329 04:56:46< shadowm> AI0867: Don't.
20130329 04:58:34< vultraz> I have a GitHub account, but I've never used it
20130329 04:58:35< shadowm> Gambit will take care of that.
20130329 04:58:56< mattsc> AI0867: I do as well, and Alarantalara.
20130329 04:59:56< shadowm> I think fabi_ does too.
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20130329 09:04:56< zookeeper> shadowm, could you please turn off wiki registrations for a while?
20130329 09:05:07< zookeeper> the amount of spam is getting ludicrous
20130329 09:06:32< shadowm> Is it the only option?
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20130329 09:09:13< shadowm> zookeeper: ^
20130329 09:09:15< zookeeper> i don't know, but the spam is appearing faster than i can or am willing to deal with it
20130329 09:09:31< shadowm> Okay then, disabled.
20130329 09:09:52< zookeeper> thanks
20130329 09:10:21< shadowm> I am holding you responsible for this in the wiki spam topic in Website.
20130329 09:10:33< zookeeper> i'm currently trying to see if i can use that NukeDPL page for mass-deleting them
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20130329 09:10:38< zookeeper> sure
20130329 09:22:49< zookeeper> good grief. why is this so difficult.
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20130329 09:24:48< zookeeper> this is nonsense, i can't use this
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20130329 09:53:50< shadowm> wesbot: seen Crab_
20130329 09:53:50< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 14d 18h ago.  1d 21h ago person left:
20130329 09:54:01< shadowm> zookeeper: Maybe ask Crab_ directly?
20130329 09:54:14< zookeeper> maybe
20130329 09:54:41< shadowm> He has email notifications for forum PMs turned on.
20130329 09:56:51< zookeeper> mmkay, i'll bug him
20130329 09:56:56< fabi_> shadowm: I talked to him yesterday in the #wesnoth-mentor forum.
20130329 09:57:13< shadowm> fabi_: There is no such forum.
20130329 09:57:23< shadowm> There is no such channel either. tsk tsk.
20130329 09:57:34< shadowm> fabi_: Did you read my feedback on the editor earlier?
20130329 09:57:41< fabi_> Nope
20130329 09:57:48< shadowm> Do I need to repaste?
20130329 09:58:25< fabi_> No, not necessary but tx.
20130329 09:58:45< shadowm> Actually, I didn't bother to look whether this is a code thing or an art thing.
20130329 09:58:53< shadowm> If it is an art issue then I should probably have poked vultraz instead.
20130329 09:59:15< vultraz> Issue with my buttons?
20130329 09:59:19< shadowm> vultraz: Do you have a Git clone yet, by the way?
20130329 09:59:22< fabi_> shadowm: Yes, I already told vultraz that they look different and strange.
20130329 10:00:04< vultraz> shadowm: no
20130329 10:00:10< shadowm> Although I guess you might as well wait for us to solve this politics conundrum and then I can give you a link to a tarball I haven't yet published.
20130329 10:01:33< vultraz> Can I see a screenshot?
20130329 10:02:39< shadowm> Hang on.
20130329 10:03:51< fabi_> shadowm: The radio buttons are currently implemented by abusing the checkbox buttons. I am not quite happy with this thus I currently work on a radiobox type button.
20130329 10:04:12< shadowm> fabi_: Why.
20130329 10:04:33< shadowm> I mean, both GUI1 and GUI2 have the same shortcoming, but implementing a new GUI1 widget at this point is a waste of time.
20130329 10:05:12< vultraz> I agree
20130329 10:05:22< vultraz> Aren't we supposed to be phasing out GUI1?
20130329 10:05:26< fabi_> This policy (wait for GUI2 to be ready!) is holding of the development of Wesnoth for several years now.
20130329 10:05:42< shadowm> Yes, but it's not like you didn't already implement this the same way the Preferences dialog does it.
20130329 10:06:03< shadowm> I get this on editor startup: http://pastebin.com/ttMJsG2p
20130329 10:06:20< shadowm> If I pass the -d switch and move my mouse over any pressed tool button, I get the "image not found" placeholder.
20130329 10:07:38< shadowm> vultraz: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/editor-toggle-1.png
20130329 10:07:41< shadowm> vultraz: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21371130/screenshots/editor-toggle-2.png
20130329 10:08:06< shadowm> Open both in separate tabs, make sure you are zoomed in at 100%, and then switch between the tabs to get the effect.
20130329 10:09:05< shadowm> vultraz: The problem: http://pastebin.com/8PCC9nLK
20130329 10:10:01< fabi_> vultraz: Phasing out GUI1 for anything but modal dialogs is far away from going to happen. Regarding the current speed of gui2 development we can assume it replacing gui1 by 2030.
20130329 10:10:29< shadowm> Sadly true, that.
20130329 10:10:49< fabi_> vultraz: Thus I just use whatever gui system fits in my needs to solve the job nowadays.
20130329 10:11:40< vultraz> shadowm: ok, it's an art thing. I'll provide new pressed buttons with no content movement
20130329 10:11:58< fabi_> And using (not to speak about working working on the implementation itself) summons for sure an angry mordante and I don't want to fight for every line of code anymore.
20130329 10:16:43< fabi_> shadowm: Yes, wesnoth complains about missing art because the checkbox buttons demand more images than the normal one. vultraz is already on it :-)
20130329 10:17:18< shadowm> Okay.
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20130329 10:18:17< fabi_> I like to repair the checkbox buttons of gui1 and introduce the slightly different radio buttons.
20130329 10:19:18< thunderstruck> Good morning. I noticed that the ideas page for gsoc was updated, but not the application page for google. So, is Wesnoth going to participate in gsoc?
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20130329 10:19:34< fabi_> The current checkbox buttons toggle at release of the mouse buttons, I never saw a gui system doing similar. Checkbox toggle their state when the button is pressed down, not when it is released.
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20130329 10:20:12< shadowm> thunderstruck: I am not sure, noy might now. Ivanovic has been completely unavailable to deal with this.
20130329 10:20:14< vultraz> fabi_: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/19uc4w4jcjxsx7z/lBPy6pSBIc
20130329 10:20:55< fabi_> vultraz: Thank you :-) shadowm: are they okay like this? ^
20130329 10:22:15< shadowm> fabi_: Just for reference, Qt 4 here doesn't toggle the checkbox _value_ on mouse down, it only causes it to be visually depicted as depressed.
20130329 10:22:49< fabi_> shadowm: Yes, I noticed that as well. Shall I copy the QT behaviour?
20130329 10:22:52< shadowm> If my mouse leaves the checkbox's rectangle, the value is left unchanged, and the depress effect is undone.
20130329 10:23:08< shadowm> *leaves the checkbox's rectangle before the mouse release event
20130329 10:23:26< shadowm> fabi_: I think Qt is a good reference for many things, but it might be a good idea to check Gtk+ too.
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20130329 10:23:38< fabi_> I did.
20130329 10:23:46< shadowm> I personally have a bunch of Windows VMs for reference too.
20130329 10:23:47< fabi_> Assuming that firefox still is a gtk applikation.
20130329 10:24:04< shadowm> In particular, XP and Windows 7 VMs which I use for production purposes (Wesnoth RCX).
20130329 10:24:17< shadowm> fabi_: Firefox is a fake Gtk+ 2.x application on X11.
20130329 10:24:52< shadowm> It grabs stuff from the Gtk theme engine, but it's otherwise behaviorally inconsistent with Gtk 2.x in various respects.
20130329 10:24:57< fabi_> hmmm, I guess gimp is a gtk thing.
20130329 10:25:01< shadowm> Much to the dismay of Gtk theme engine developers everywhere.
20130329 10:25:24< shadowm> Yes, GIMP uses Gtk more faithfully. (No surprise there, Gtk was originally created for implementing the GIMP in the first place.)
20130329 10:25:36< thunderstruck> shadowm:  I see. And all you guys are busy with this moving to git thing.
20130329 10:26:07< shadowm> thunderstruck: Well, that shouldn't be disruptive for the application process.
20130329 10:26:09< fabi_> shadowm: Gimp handles the checkbox buttons similar to QT.
20130329 10:26:13< vultraz> shadowm: does it look fine now?
20130329 10:27:14< shadowm> vultraz: Could you upload the non-pressed versions too for my convenience?
20130329 10:27:21< shadowm> To the same album dir.
20130329 10:28:26< thunderstruck> shadowm: Ah. Ok. I just thought that since the deadline is close and some progress has been made for preparation it should be clear whether Wesnoth participates or not.
20130329 10:29:39< shadowm> thunderstruck: The project administrator has been unavailable to deal with this for health reasons, so I don't really know what the status of our application is, if any.
20130329 10:30:15< shadowm> I'm just the courier here.
20130329 10:30:30< fabi_> thunderstruck: Crab_ did produce the proposals because he thought that they are useful in any case.
20130329 10:30:49< vultraz> shadowm: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z7761k336ny680j/8Ux8sCm7RN
20130329 10:31:24< thunderstruck> fabi_, thanks. That explains it.
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20130329 10:34:32< shadowm> vultraz: Good to go.
20130329 10:34:42< shadowm> fabi_ ^ Since vultraz cannot commit yet.
20130329 10:35:12< fabi_> Yeah, we should think about vultraz and commit access sooner or later.
20130329 10:35:38< vultraz> I do have commit access
20130329 10:35:42< vultraz> I just don't have a git clone
20130329 10:35:51< fabi_> Ah
20130329 10:36:06< fabi_> Do you have problems downloading it in one go?
20130329 10:36:17< vultraz> yes
20130329 10:36:21< vultraz> 30 Kb/s internet
20130329 10:37:02< shadowm_desktop> vultraz: It isn't too urgent for you to get a repository clone yet, right?
20130329 10:37:10< fabi_> Like my mother has in her village. Germany is only well distributed in cities.
20130329 10:37:25< shadowm_desktop> Otherwise I make the mirror tarball right now for you to download with wget -c or such.
20130329 10:37:31< vultraz> shadowm_desktop: no, it isn't
20130329 10:37:32< shadowm_desktop> *I can
20130329 10:37:45< shadowm_desktop> Okay.
20130329 10:42:22< fabi_> vultraz: The brush buttons will most likely end up being radiobuttons as well. (Currently I only emulate their behavior) Thus means they also need active-pressed variants.
20130329 10:42:40< vultraz> Ok
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20130329 10:43:15< vultraz> And you wanted the toolkit buttons to look like the terrain group ones, right?
20130329 10:44:15< fabi_> vultraz: Well, the terrain group ones are only one pixel bigger in size and they are in the same style as the rest of the gui buttons. Thus my suggestion.
20130329 10:46:03< fabi_> shadowm: Do you agree that copying the gimp/gtk/qt behavior for the checkbox buttons is a good idea? 
20130329 10:47:16< shadowm> Yes.
20130329 10:47:29< vultraz> fabi_: I actually think you can just re purpose the pressed variation of the brush buttons for the pressed active versions, 
20130329 10:47:46< fabi_> shadowm: I assume that also true for the radiobutton implementation.
20130329 10:47:46< shadowm> By the way, if you implement radio buttons in GUI1 you should probably just subclass the checkbox button class.
20130329 10:47:49< shadowm> toggle_button or something.
20130329 10:47:51< vultraz> there's no color change between the background color of the active and pressed variations
20130329 10:48:32< fabi_> shadowm: gui1 button class has a enumeration to tell the type. I just add one more item to this enumeration.
20130329 10:48:53< shadowm> Ugh.
20130329 10:48:57< shadowm> I was thinking GUI2, never mind then.
20130329 10:49:38< fabi_> shadowm: I will put implementing the same radiobutton and checkbox buttons for gui2 on my TODO list.
20130329 10:51:50< shadowm> Okay, I am no-one to stop anyone from dealing with mordante.
20130329 10:52:04< fabi_> vultraz: Yes, now that gtk+ is the new thing to look at I need to redefine which kind of artwork is needed. Please hold on.
20130329 10:54:11< fabi_> vultraz: Do you have the "gimp"?
20130329 10:54:42< thunderstruck> After cloning Wesnoth repo I'm not able to compile it. It seems that the problem is with Boost thread library. But it is installed.
20130329 10:54:48< thunderstruck> And I'm using scons.
20130329 10:55:03< fabi_> thunderstruck: please pastebin the scons output.
20130329 10:55:04< vultraz> fabi_: yes I'm using gimp
20130329 10:55:07< Rhonda> Do you also have the -dev packages installed?
20130329 10:56:11< thunderstruck> http://pastebin.com/3WqkGcqi
20130329 10:56:12< fabi_> vultraz: Please have a look at its checkbox buttons. In the preferences for example.
20130329 10:57:01< fabi_> thunderstruck: Which operation system are you on?
20130329 10:57:06< thunderstruck> Rhonda: yes, I do.
20130329 10:57:13< thunderstruck> fabi_, Ubuntu.
20130329 10:57:25< fabi_> thunderstruck: start with apt-get builddep wesnoth
20130329 10:57:34< Rhonda> thunderstruck: apt-get builddep wesnoth-1.10
20130329 10:57:52< vultraz> fabi_: ok, looked
20130329 10:57:58< fabi_> apt-get build-dep wesnoth-1.10
20130329 10:59:15< thunderstruck> I've already tried build-dep wesnoth. Nothing is updated/installed. Now I've tried build-dep wesnoth-1.10 -- the same.
20130329 10:59:38< fabi_> vultraz: I need a version of checkbox-active-pressed.png that is only half (or transparent) pressed, like in gimp when you press the button but don't release it.
20130329 11:01:01< shadowm> fabi_: Let's not go overboard either. :p
20130329 11:01:16< shadowm> That kind of thing isn't essential.
20130329 11:01:37< shadowm> thunderstruck: Can you pastebin build/config.log?
20130329 11:02:32< fabi_> shadowm: Sure, but it is cheap. I need an extra state for the time between press and release anyway. Linking it to extra graphic is just one line.
20130329 11:02:35< Rhonda> thunderstruck: apt-cache policy libboost-thread-dev  # what does it give you for "Installed"?
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20130329 11:04:00< thunderstruck> shadowm: http://pastebin.com/UXgTMddL
20130329 11:04:50< thunderstruck> Rhonda, http://pastebin.com/tzkUNyxy
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20130329 11:05:35< thunderstruck> Rhonda, for Installed: 1.49.0.1
20130329 11:05:39< shadowm> thunderstruck: Try cons --config=force
20130329 11:05:42< shadowm> scons --config=force
20130329 11:06:58< vultraz> fabi_: so, slightly grayed?
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20130329 11:07:25< fabi_> vultraz: Yeah, that sounds about right.
20130329 11:07:41< thunderstruck> shadowm: It seems that this works. What does it do?
20130329 11:08:10< shadowm> thunderstruck: It reruns all config tests in case their previous results became outdated and scons didn't realize this.
20130329 11:08:28< shadowm> This would be the case if you tried scons once, found that you were missing packages, installed them, and reran scons without --config=force.
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20130329 11:09:48< thunderstruck> Ok. Thanks for the help.
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20130329 11:11:22< Rhonda> thunderstruck: Then I wonder why it doesn't find it …
20130329 11:11:47< Rhonda> Ah, it wrote (cached) in the error message anyway.
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20130329 11:15:22< vultraz> fabi_: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/z7761k336ny680j/8Ux8sCm7RN I've added some *-half-pressed images. Will those work?
20130329 11:17:38< fabi_> vultraz: Let's focus on the checkbox first. I am far away from having the brush buttons ported to radiobuttons. But I can use a half checked checkbox for testing purposes.
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20130329 11:18:47< fabi_> vultraz: I think it might be more easy to read when the lines of the cross are interrupted.
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20130329 11:37:58< vultraz> fabi_: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/95558676/checkbox-half-pressed.png
20130329 11:38:26< fabi_> vultraz: Fine, tx
20130329 11:39:16< fabi_> vultraz: If you want to work on something, the toolkit buttons are ready to get included.
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20130329 11:54:58< vultraz> fabi_: so, for the tookit buttons, you need a normal, active, pressed, and half pressed variation, right?
20130329 12:04:08< shadowm> I am going over my past blog posts and assigning them two new categories. It's too bad I have this stupid policy of not revising my past post for sloppy prose, because some of my past writing makes me want to puke.
20130329 12:04:22< shadowm> Er.
20130329 12:04:46< shadowm> Wrong channel. And it's all vultraz's fault for speaking.
20130329 12:05:04< fabi_> vultraz: And active-pressed ones.
20130329 12:05:05< vultraz> How is it my fault for speaking?
20130329 12:05:23< shadowm> vultraz: Your presence made me mistake this for the correct channel.
20130329 12:06:13< shadowm> Perhaps I also need coffee. I haven't had a proper cup of coffee in years.
20130329 12:06:32< bumbadadabum> speaking of coffee
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20130329 12:06:47< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: How's it going with the thread
20130329 12:06:52< bumbadadabum> is it going to be made soon
20130329 12:10:23< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: I'd like to ask boucman if there was a similar thread or how to made in the past first
20130329 12:10:41< _Coffee> but he's at work most times I am around it seems :P
20130329 12:10:51< _Coffee> I finally found out why though
20130329 12:10:58< bumbadadabum> time zones?
20130329 12:10:59< _Coffee> france is one day behind here
20130329 12:11:09< _Coffee> so it is still friday there
20130329 12:11:12< bumbadadabum> I'm in the same time zone
20130329 12:11:14< bumbadadabum> and nope
20130329 12:11:22< _Coffee> no?
20130329 12:11:23< bumbadadabum> just 10-11 hours
20130329 12:11:30< bumbadadabum> but it is still friday yes
20130329 12:11:31< bumbadadabum> :p
20130329 12:11:42< bumbadadabum> Friday 12:11
20130329 12:11:42< _Coffee> it is the end of saturday here now
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20130329 12:12:22< bumbadadabum> huh
20130329 12:12:29< bumbadadabum> What is your time zone?
20130329 12:12:39< _Coffee> so I've been wasting the day away merrily chomping on my large (free) stash of easter eggs
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20130329 12:13:05< _Coffee> catching up on ted talks, youtube, etc.
20130329 12:13:20< bumbadadabum> yum, easter eggs
20130329 12:13:43< _Coffee> if you know about computers you can get tons of them I've found :)
20130329 12:13:54< AI0867> okay, irker joins but doesn't say anything
20130329 12:13:54< _Coffee> almost too many to eat
20130329 12:14:00< AI0867> I suppose that gives me something to work with...
20130329 12:14:21< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: UTC/GMT +9:30 hours (and 1 hour for DST)
20130329 12:14:45< bumbadadabum> are you sure it's saturday night?
20130329 12:14:52< _Coffee> yeah
20130329 12:15:00< vultraz> ...what?
20130329 12:15:00< AI0867> ah, message too long, probably
20130329 12:15:03< bumbadadabum> vultraz: It's Friday, right?
20130329 12:15:05< _Coffee> otherwise I'd have gotten a nasty phone call from work already :P
20130329 12:15:05< vultraz> It's friday night
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20130329 12:15:16< vultraz> And I'm GMT+11
20130329 12:15:21< vultraz> So..no way it's Saturday
20130329 12:15:27< vultraz> unless you're in the Future
20130329 12:15:34< _Coffee> I am in the future
20130329 12:15:56< _Coffee> actually New Zealand is ahead of us here in Australia
20130329 12:16:12< _Coffee> so if you want to know something first, you ask a kiwi
20130329 12:16:15< AI0867> fabi_: see 5f584b8fa70f99252f5936
20130329 12:16:27< AI0867> irker failed because I touched too many files
20130329 12:17:22< fabi_> AI0867: hmmm, do I need to know that?
20130329 12:17:27< _Coffee> vultraz: this is why you see new year's day celebrations here so much earlier
20130329 12:17:39< _Coffee> no
20130329 12:17:42< _Coffee> it is easter
20130329 12:17:47< _Coffee> and I am an idiot :P
20130329 12:17:51< _Coffee> good friday
20130329 12:18:03< bumbadadabum> Yes
20130329 12:18:14< vultraz> It's friday
20130329 12:18:22< vultraz> Not saturday...
20130329 12:18:29< AI0867> fabi_: no, the commit itself
20130329 12:18:31< bumbadadabum> I get confused soemtimes
20130329 12:18:45< AI0867> you marked all editor images as executable for some reason
20130329 12:18:58< _Coffee> lol -- is there some way to scrap that from the logs :D
20130329 12:19:03< bumbadadabum> nope
20130329 12:19:08< bumbadadabum> unless...
20130329 12:19:14< bumbadadabum> l33t supa h4x0r
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20130329 12:19:57< AI0867> okay, all messages *should* now show up
20130329 12:20:03< vultraz> _Coffee: are you in GMT+12?
20130329 12:20:13< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: bumbadadabum: UTC/GMT +9:30 hours (and 1 hour for DST)
20130329 12:20:13< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: the problem remains though -- how come boucman is still at work :P
20130329 12:20:25< AI0867> I updated irkerd to a newer version that contains a patch (by me) addressing this very issue...
20130329 12:20:26< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: Good Friday is not always a day off
20130329 12:21:26 * vultraz still doesn't know why Good Friday is the day where someone died and Black Friday is the day we get super sales
20130329 12:21:55< _Coffee> I suppose that's what happens when your politicians eat snails :D
20130329 12:22:38< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: Also where I am
20130329 12:23:17< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: you at least get the monday off I presume?
20130329 12:23:25< bumbadadabum> yes
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20130329 12:25:13< irker426> 03Alexander van Gessel (AI0867) wesnoth:07master * 1.11.2-25-g5f584b8 / data/core/images/editor/brush-1-active.png data/core/images/editor/brush-1-pressed.png data/core/images/editor/brush-1.png data/core/images/editor/brush-2-active.png data/core/images/editor/brush-2-pressed.png data/core/images/editor/brush-2.png data/core/images/editor/brush-3-active.png data/core/images/editor/brush-3-pressed.png data/core/images/editor/brush-3.png data/core/images/ed
20130329 12:25:24< AI0867> okay, I entered that by hand
20130329 12:25:28< AI0867> without the proper escapes
20130329 12:25:36< AI0867> but as you can see, it now properly truncates messages
20130329 12:25:36 * shadowm raises eyebrow.
20130329 12:25:43< AI0867> telnet to localhost
20130329 12:25:47< shadowm> Could we please get CIA-like summaries instead of full file lists?
20130329 12:25:55< AI0867> I could implement taht
20130329 12:25:59< AI0867> s/taht/that
20130329 12:26:13< AI0867> but I'm reluctant to now that I have hope that we can ditch this crap I wrote
20130329 12:26:21< shadowm> Yeah. :)
20130329 12:29:01< fabi_> AI0867: How can I look at 5f584b8fa70f99252f5936 ?
20130329 12:31:17< AI0867> pull and then git show
20130329 12:32:08< AI0867> ~/src/wesnoth-master$ git describe 5f584b8fa70f
20130329 12:32:09< AI0867> 1.11.2-25-g5f584b8
20130329 12:33:10< vultraz> I'm in favor of CIA-like summaries
20130329 12:33:26< AI0867> vultraz: so am I
20130329 12:33:35< AI0867> that doesn't mean they'll magically appear
20130329 12:35:07< bumbadadabum> AI0867: If you use your imagination
20130329 12:35:11< bumbadadabum> anything can happen
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20130329 12:44:29< fabi> AI0867: Sorry, git tells me that I can't pull right now.
20130329 12:44:37< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: I'm going to take a look at all the campaign units
20130329 12:44:51< bumbadadabum> and see if there is timing to be fixed
20130329 12:44:51< bumbadadabum> o
20130329 12:44:53< shadowm> fabi: Do you have local uncommitted changes?
20130329 12:45:02< bumbadadabum> or units still use the old syntax
20130329 12:45:02< fabi> yes
20130329 12:45:19< shadowm> fabi: Try stashing them with "git stash", then "git pull", then "git stash pop" to restore your local changes.
20130329 12:45:36< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: all the old syntax should have been replaced wit hthe new one for default units
20130329 12:45:46< shadowm> Alternatively you can just use "git fetch", which will not merge the new changes upstream into your branch.
20130329 12:46:29< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: what needs doing is all the elf range animation timings (to make the bow sound when the arrow fires?)
20130329 12:47:23< AI0867> fabi: well, if you fetch you can still show
20130329 12:47:39< AI0867> ninja'd
20130329 12:47:42< fabi> I did what shadowmaster told me to.
20130329 12:47:44< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: currently the elf range animations play the sound before the arrow is launched
20130329 12:47:51< bumbadadabum> ok
20130329 12:48:02< bumbadadabum> c
20130329 12:48:16< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: I don't know about the bow sounds
20130329 12:48:32< bumbadadabum> I think it also sounds like someone pulling the string
20130329 12:48:41< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: it is easy to see on 0.75 speed
20130329 12:50:51< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: there's a good list of bow sounds on opengameart.org that is GPL compliant
20130329 12:51:03< bumbadadabum> looking at it
20130329 12:51:08< _Coffee> although the artist should probably have a say on that kind of thing
20130329 12:51:49< shadowm> *artists
20130329 12:52:03< _Coffee> yes, artists*
20130329 12:53:25< _Coffee> shadowm: a day of doing nothing really makes you tired
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20130329 12:55:46< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: Can't find any
20130329 12:56:02< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: I found it a while ago in sound effects
20130329 12:56:10< _Coffee> a list of about 5 or so bow sounds
20130329 12:56:14< _Coffee> dart sounds, etc.
20130329 12:56:20< bumbadadabum> Well
20130329 12:56:27< bumbadadabum> no GPL or CC-0
20130329 12:57:07< shadowm> zookeeper is the sound guy here, so you might want to run whatever through him.
20130329 12:57:16< zookeeper> what's this about bow sounds?
20130329 12:57:37< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: I'd want the bow sounds in wesnoth to be split
20130329 12:58:02< _Coffee> you can get flish sound, pluck sound, and hit sound separate?
20130329 12:58:03< bumbadadabum> into pulling the string
20130329 12:58:06< bumbadadabum> and firing
20130329 12:58:06< _Coffee> *flight
20130329 12:58:49< zookeeper> any particular reason why? just to make each component sync even at big/small accelerations?
20130329 12:59:16< bumbadadabum> yes
20130329 13:00:52< zookeeper> well, the pull/release/hit components are pretty well separated in the current sounds, so just cut them into separate pieces and fade them properly
20130329 13:01:05< _Coffee> ideally the flight sound should start at missile_start_time
20130329 13:01:21< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: I'll see what I can do
20130329 13:02:01< zookeeper> _Coffee, it's more important that the _hit_ time matches with the sound
20130329 13:02:19< _Coffee> zookeeper: yes
20130329 13:02:24< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: Most of the time, that doesn't either
20130329 13:02:28< _Coffee> that should be at time 0
20130329 13:02:33< bumbadadabum> especially if you're playing on accelerated speed
20130329 13:03:21< zookeeper> yeah, for example in bow.ogg, time 0 should match with the 500ms mark
20130329 13:03:25< _Coffee> or between -26 and 0
20130329 13:04:31< zookeeper> feel free to cut the sounds into their component parts, but do it smartly rather than just literally cutting the sound into three sections
20130329 13:05:35< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: I'm really bad with this kind of things, could you do it?
20130329 13:07:08< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: it's not that important I think compared to the sounds that are more obviously off
20130329 13:07:14< _Coffee> like the fencer was, etc.
20130329 13:07:26< bumbadadabum> I think I fixed all of them
20130329 13:08:11< _Coffee> then all we need to do is fix the animation offsets
20130329 13:08:24< _Coffee> so that the hits match the units advancing
20130329 13:08:50< _Coffee> such as the naga line
20130329 13:10:03< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: have you got the PYR addon?
20130329 13:10:11< bumbadadabum> I can download
20130329 13:10:16< _Coffee> in there is a scenario showing all units
20130329 13:10:30< _Coffee> with debug you can add attackers
20130329 13:10:39< _Coffee> or change sides to attack
20130329 13:11:26< _Coffee> I'm sure some of the monsters timings are out
20130329 13:11:54< _Coffee> giant mudcrawler is one that comes to mind
20130329 13:13:58< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: You can still use svn diff, right?
20130329 13:14:01< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: troll club seems out too
20130329 13:14:23< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: I deleted my wesnoth svn repository
20130329 13:14:32< bumbadadabum> ok
20130329 13:14:41< bumbadadabum> I'll copy my files then
20130329 13:14:44< _Coffee> but I have a testing one that I can generate a diff from I think
20130329 13:14:50< bumbadadabum> and run siff on my 2 local copies
20130329 13:14:55< bumbadadabum> *diff
20130329 13:15:24< _Coffee> I just have to remember to weed out all my other changes that I made for myself
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20130329 13:15:53< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: some units don't have miss sounds
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20130329 13:19:01< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: I think a good systematic way to test is to change the side of each send unit and test attacking for 2 units at once
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20130329 13:19:25< _Coffee> I haven't done this tough
20130329 13:19:28< _Coffee> *though
20130329 13:20:44< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: Fixed the trolls
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20130329 13:21:36< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: was it just the regular troll out?
20130329 13:21:43< bumbadadabum> mostly
20130329 13:21:51< bumbadadabum> the others were a bit off as well
20130329 13:23:10< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: the wose line is interesting as I am not sure the sound is for it moving or attacking
20130329 13:23:22< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: It's both, I think
20130329 13:24:06< _Coffee> playing around I see that the giant rat has no miss sound
20130329 13:24:15< _Coffee> some other units are like this too
20130329 13:28:42< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: is the elvish sorceress melee a little early you think?
20130329 13:29:19< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: Shall I just pastebin all the files and diffs?
20130329 13:29:28< _Coffee> yeah, that's be good
20130329 13:29:36< _Coffee> I'm just clikcing on the units randomly to test :P
20130329 13:29:44< bumbadadabum> http://pastebin.com/qctx0dWQ
20130329 13:29:49< bumbadadabum> giant rat
20130329 13:30:24< bumbadadabum> http://pastebin.com/XDUAwYTD
20130329 13:30:27< bumbadadabum> Dark Assassin
20130329 13:32:06< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: maybe just the end diff?
20130329 13:32:18< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: I don't have the old file :p
20130329 13:32:22< bumbadadabum> http://pastebin.com/vnZcN7zn
20130329 13:32:28< bumbadadabum> I did make the diff for all the trolls
20130329 13:34:37< bumbadadabum> http://pastebin.com/3RmUZ80E
20130329 13:34:45< bumbadadabum> I changed the attack anim to this
20130329 13:35:17< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: I am cleaning up my teting environment to make a clean diff
20130329 13:38:04< _Coffee> ok, I have a cleanish svn copy to make a diff from
20130329 13:38:28< AI0867> I just realized, if we're on github, we can use the github API to make wesbot and shikadibot work again
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20130329 13:38:41< AI0867> http://developer.github.com/v3/repos/commits/
20130329 13:42:36< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: ghast melee is out too it looks like
20130329 13:43:18< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: it looks like a big job going through all the units to test in a systematic way and then fix the offsets
20130329 13:44:03< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: Ghast sound time should be -100
20130329 13:45:27< zookeeper> so i presume all this sounds being off sync is (mostly) caused by the animation WML conversions?
20130329 13:45:51< _Coffee> zookeeper: no (well I don't think so)
20130329 13:46:08< _Coffee> zookeeper: developers and artist just got used to it being wrong for so long :P
20130329 13:46:26< _Coffee> or play with accelerated speed
20130329 13:47:02< zookeeper> i've traditionally been the one to fine-tune (or complain about) off-sync timing, but arguably i haven't done that much ever since the new super-long animations started getting in
20130329 13:47:04< _Coffee> when I went through the units I kept the original timings
20130329 13:47:10< zookeeper> okay
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20130329 13:49:02< bumbadadabum> and I like fixing other people's code
20130329 13:49:56< fabi> AI0867: I don't get your commit. It claims to set the file system right attributes to 644 but 664 is used everywhere here.
20130329 13:50:58< fabi> AI0867: Is this because git applies my default filemask but in the repo 644 is set?
20130329 13:51:48< _Coffee> zookeeper: just going back to check the ghast timing from 1.11.1 and it is indeed off
20130329 13:52:26< _Coffee> zookeeper: oh, and the hits=miss,kill thing is wrong too for many units on attack
20130329 13:52:28< zookeeper> yeah, definitely
20130329 13:52:36< zookeeper> hmh? example?
20130329 13:52:44< _Coffee> this was changed so that when a unit is killed a hit sound plays instead of a miss :P
20130329 13:52:54< _Coffee> example is the ghast
20130329 13:53:02< _Coffee> another good example was the WC
20130329 13:53:13< _Coffee> when it used to kill a unit with plague no sound played
20130329 13:53:36< _Coffee> I found this minor but troubling
20130329 13:53:41< zookeeper> uh, yeah, i have no idea why someone did it like that
20130329 13:53:51< _Coffee> these have all been fixed
20130329 13:53:56< zookeeper> cool
20130329 13:54:18< _Coffee> problem was that this is the syntax you want on defend, but does not apply to attack
20130329 13:54:43< zookeeper> yeah. looks like it was like that from the beginning, but i never caught it.
20130329 13:54:55< _Coffee> yep, and for a number of the elves too
20130329 13:55:04< AI0867> fabi: your commit to the editor images marked all editor images as executable
20130329 13:55:09< AI0867> I removed the executable bits
20130329 13:55:51< fabi> AI0867: Yes, I got this so far. Still I wonder why the commit claims to put it on 644 while the files on my disk are 664.
20130329 13:55:51< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: -100 sound right for the ghast
20130329 13:56:25< irker426> fendrin wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-26-gb99ab57 / src/widgets/menu.cpp: Code formated.
20130329 13:56:27< irker426> fendrin wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-27-gba0fe8c / images/buttons/checkbox-touched.png src/widgets/button.cpp src/widgets/button.hpp: Improved the checkbox implementation.
20130329 13:56:51< AI0867> fabi: git only cares about the executable bit, the rest is just cosmetic
20130329 13:57:02< fabi> AI0867: I see. Thank you.
20130329 13:57:14< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: now we need to get the movement animation offset right to match :P
20130329 13:57:17< fabi> shadowm: Please have a look at how checkboxes work now.
20130329 13:57:18< zookeeper> _Coffee, great that those kind of things get fixed. i haven't really been policing animations for... years, i guess.
20130329 13:57:53< _Coffee> zookeeper: bumbadadabum so far is doing most of the work ;)
20130329 13:58:08< _Coffee> I'm just good at complaining
20130329 13:58:21< fabi> bumbadadabum must be a relativ to alarantalarlara.
20130329 13:58:23< zookeeper> fine, good job bumbadadabum :P
20130329 13:58:42 * zookeeper doesn't find alarantalara hard to remember
20130329 13:59:10< zookeeper> probably because it sounds kinda like finnish
20130329 13:59:35< bumbadadabum> It's easy to remember because it's all "a"s
20130329 13:59:40< _Coffee> and you can't spell either of them :P
20130329 14:00:06< bumbadadabum> my name isn't hard to spell
20130329 14:00:15< bumbadadabum> it's B-U-tab
20130329 14:00:16< zookeeper> "ala-rantala" is a finnish surname
20130329 14:00:53< shadowm> fabi: I don't have a git tree here, so it will have to be later. Much later, really.
20130329 14:01:24< fabi> shadowm: Fine, just take your time.
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20130329 14:04:30< _Coffee> bumbadadabum,zookeeper: should the plain wolves have a miss sound after the growl?
20130329 14:04:47< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: IMO, no
20130329 14:04:50< zookeeper> _Coffee, no
20130329 14:05:08< _Coffee> ok :D
20130329 14:05:13< zookeeper> or sure they could, but i never made a suitable sound for that
20130329 14:05:27< zookeeper> the regular miss swoosh wouldn't really work
20130329 14:05:34< bumbadadabum> the SOUND_LIST:MISS won't work
20130329 14:06:22< bumbadadabum> Ninja'd
20130329 14:06:45< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: Also, the bat/rat bite sounds
20130329 14:06:46< _Coffee> the other thing I should ask is if the dwarf thunderer line melee sound should be dagger_swish instead of axe?
20130329 14:07:23< _Coffee> seeing as the melee item is a "dagger"
20130329 14:07:44< zookeeper> dagger_swish isn't (AFAIK) used anymore, and i intentionally phased it out because it's not a hit sound, just a swish
20130329 14:07:56< bumbadadabum> it's used
20130329 14:08:01< zookeeper> by thieves
20130329 14:08:22< zookeeper> yeah
20130329 14:08:25< bumbadadabum> and all units with daggers
20130329 14:08:30< bumbadadabum> except the dwarves
20130329 14:08:55< _Coffee> zookeeper: example might be poacher with dagger
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20130329 14:09:08< bumbadadabum> also the orcish assassin
20130329 14:09:10< bumbadadabum> orcish archer
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20130329 14:09:23< zookeeper> i should have made a proper knife slice sound at the time, so, uh, i guess making thunderers use dagger-swish as well
20130329 14:09:35< zookeeper> ...is ok
20130329 14:09:57< _Coffee> zookeeper: for all the line?
20130329 14:10:02< zookeeper> yes
20130329 14:11:03< zookeeper> or maybe not, gimme a sec
20130329 14:11:35< _Coffee> zookeeper: some of the level 3 drakes use the axe sound for blade attacks too
20130329 14:11:49< _Coffee> that's whay I mentioned that for the whole line remark
20130329 14:12:28< zookeeper> the whole thunderer line looks like it's wielding something more akin to a short sword, so a sword sound wouldn't be out of place there. i dunno, your call.
20130329 14:12:39< zookeeper> _Coffee, they do? O.o
20130329 14:12:48< _Coffee> zookeeper: yes :D
20130329 14:13:16< zookeeper> oh, the halberd-wielding ones
20130329 14:13:28< zookeeper> that's ok
20130329 14:13:28< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: I'd say use the sword for the level 2 and 3
20130329 14:14:13< zookeeper> the axe sound seems much more fitting for a halberd than the sword sound
20130329 14:14:28< _Coffee> does this mean the attack icon and name should change?
20130329 14:14:34< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: a halberd is an axe
20130329 14:14:47< _Coffee> zookeeper: I agree about the halberd
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20130329 14:15:55< _Coffee> by coincidence sleepwalker is dredoing the thunderer line now I think on the forums
20130329 14:15:58< zookeeper> _Coffee, it does, but changes like that are a bit icky...
20130329 14:16:19< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: Will those be the first Coffee original anims?
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20130329 14:17:30< _Coffee> bumbadadabum: you know I can't draw ;)
20130329 14:17:38< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: I meant the WML
20130329 14:19:00< _Coffee> zookeeper: how about changing the level 1 and passing it on to Jetrel :D
20130329 14:20:00 * zookeeper shrugs
20130329 14:20:15< zookeeper> personally, i'd leave it and wait for a better knife slash sound
20130329 14:20:22< _Coffee> zookeeper: ok
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20130329 15:15:39< zookeeper> _Coffee, bumbadadabum, here's a knife sound: http://filebin.ca/bsAsiWkP9Bl/knife.ogg feel free to put that in, i'm not going to learn how to commit right now
20130329 15:15:47< zookeeper> crappy but better than nothing
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20130329 15:29:27< noy> umm, did anybody notice that we're nearing 10 years?
20130329 15:29:31< noy> as a project
20130329 15:29:41< noy> and just surpassed 6 million downloads?
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20130329 15:37:17< zookeeper> only 6 million? i'd have expected more :p
20130329 15:37:30< AI0867> 6 million from sourceforge
20130329 15:37:45< AI0867> most linux users don't download from sourceforge
20130329 15:38:11< AI0867> do we have stats on the percentage of our users that use linux?
20130329 15:39:21< zookeeper> sounds better
20130329 15:48:58< noy> sorry... I was just looking at sourceforge
20130329 15:51:43< vultraz> So around 600k downloads from sf per year, 50k per month, 1800 per day
20130329 15:51:48< noy> last stable release what when and what version?
20130329 15:52:25< noy> 10.6
20130329 15:52:28< noy> and 11
20130329 15:53:31< noy>  nm
20130329 15:55:20< vultraz> 75 per hour
20130329 15:58:19< vultraz> which isn't that bad, really
20130329 15:59:10< vultraz> factoring in the linux portion of users, I'd say around 150 people are downloading wesnoth every hour
20130329 16:04:14< AI0867> one download every 20 seconds or so?
20130329 16:05:07< vultraz> Not bad
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20130329 16:49:12< zookeeper> vultraz, i bet the real figure is a _lot_ less, considering how many versions there is.
20130329 16:49:22< zookeeper> 6 million downloads doesn't mean that 6 million people downloaded the game
20130329 16:49:34< zookeeper> could be that a million people downloaded the game 6 times
20130329 16:50:23< vultraz> But that still factors to at least 1 download er minute, since no matter how many times a single person downloaded it, it was still downloaded
20130329 16:50:30< zookeeper> sure
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20130329 16:52:29< Ivanovic> gsoc application submitted but we will probably only have Crab_ and mordante as mentor unless someone else steps up
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20130329 17:38:22< anonymissimus> important question for me concerning the .gitignore files: They are already there in most of the directories in question and under version control in the new git repo. I used to add custom stuff to them; for some of that it may make sense to commit it, but certainly not for everything. Ways to cope with the matter ?
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20130329 17:41:04< naeg> Hi, I'm a student interested in applying for any AI idea and thought I join you on IRC while I get familiar with wesnoth
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20130329 17:43:26< anonymissimus> And another one: "Revisions" seem to be an svn thing, so how do I specify them in a bug report ?
20130329 17:43:30< mattsc> Hi, naeg.  You mean applying for an AI idea at GSOC?
20130329 17:45:37< naeg> mattsc: yeah, gsoc. forgot to mention that
20130329 17:46:42< vultraz> speaking of GSoC, whatever happened to that particle generator project from like a year or two back?
20130329 17:47:50< mattsc> naeg: cool.  Crab_ is who you want to talk to then if you have questions about that.
20130329 17:48:15< mattsc> If you have general questions about the AI, there are others here who can help.  Just ask.
20130329 17:49:43< naeg> to be honest, I first have to play wesnoth. never played it before, but were close to it a few times already ;)
20130329 17:50:38< mattsc> ok.  have fun with that.
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20130329 17:53:52< thunderstruck> According to WesnothRepository page in wiki patches should be generated using git format-patch. Why not just git diff?
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20130329 18:11:32< AI0867> format-patch formats *commits*
20130329 18:11:45< AI0867> so it includes the author, commit message and other metadata
20130329 18:11:55< AI0867> thunderstruck: ^
20130329 18:12:23< AI0867> anonymissimus: if it makes sense to commit it, then please do so (the current ones were automatically generated from svn:ignore properties, I think)
20130329 18:12:50< AI0867> if it doesn't make sense, well, what is it? I think there's an exclude file in .git or something though
20130329 18:13:47< thunderstruck> AI0867, one more question. Is it possible to exclude a directory when using format-patch?
20130329 18:15:01< AI0867> um, format-patch is about commits. If you don't want it in the patch, then it shouldn't be in the commit
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20130329 18:19:42< anonymissimus> AI0867: for instance, I had a file there with a custom name where I wrote valgrind's output to; having that in the project root is easiest
20130329 18:20:22< AI0867> right
20130329 18:20:41< AI0867> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7070659/git-exclude-ignore-files-from-commit
20130329 18:21:12< AI0867> you want #2
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20130329 18:21:34< anonymissimus> perhaps it makes sense to remove the .gitignore files from version control ?
20130329 18:22:49< AI0867> no
20130329 18:23:03< AI0867> then everyone would have to maintain their own
20130329 18:23:19< AI0867> that would be like removing all the svn:ignore properties
20130329 18:24:35 * fabi tries to put .gitignore into .gitignore
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20130329 18:25:16< anonymissimus> fabi: I have .gitignore in my global .gitignore
20130329 18:25:34< fabi> That confuses me.
20130329 18:25:38< anonymissimus> the global one should be somewhere in your home folder probably
20130329 18:26:06< anonymissimus> and you can tell git where to find it
20130329 18:28:18< anonymissimus> [core]excludesfile = in the gitconfig of your git installation, which is probably somewhere in your /etc dir
20130329 18:29:33< anonymissimus> AI0867: so you suffest I use git update-index --assume-unchanged path/to/file and put my custom stuff in the .gitignore files ?
20130329 18:29:41< anonymissimus> suggest
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20130329 18:44:50< AI0867> anonymissimus: no, I suggest you add stuff to .git/info/exclude
20130329 18:45:04< AI0867> that's the 'local' version of .gitignore
20130329 18:46:02< AI0867> anonymissimus: I used to have .gitignore in .gitignore when we were using svn
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20130329 19:19:54< anonymissimus> AI0867: and my other question, how do we specify "revisions" now ?
20130329 19:20:13< anonymissimus> with the commit hash ?
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20130329 19:22:01< AI0867> that's one way
20130329 19:22:07< AI0867> another one is git describe
20130329 19:22:19< AI0867> which gives a result like this: 1.11.2-31-g4f2e9e3
20130329 19:22:43< AI0867> that means, 1.11.2 + 31 commits, git hash starting with 4f2e9e3
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20130329 19:26:57< anonymissimus> still, not as easy and immediate to grasp and to search for, what is never, what is older and such
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20130329 19:28:41< AI0867> it takes bit longer to parse, but you can't have revision numbers, as the history is no longer linear
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20130329 19:50:13< anonymissimus> aha...sounds like advanced branching & merging which I don't grasp but it makes some sense then
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20130329 19:53:21< anonymissimus> such as what happened there: "Merge branch 'master' of ssh://fendrin@git.code.sf.net/p/wesnoth/code"
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20130329 20:00:03< AI0867> anonymissimus: fendrin had a local commit while someone else made a commit and pushed it
20130329 20:00:15< AI0867> so you now have a branch point
20130329 20:00:41< AI0867> you can resolve this in two ways. You can merge the two back together, or you can rebase your stuff on the new master
20130329 20:00:50< AI0867> you see the result of the former option
20130329 20:08:39< Gambit> There needs to be a guide handed out on how to setup automerge
20130329 20:08:41< anonymissimus> AI0867: hm so whenever someone dcommits without rebasing previously and some commit was pushed while he had his local commits stacked, the history graph will diverge ?
20130329 20:08:45< Gambit> or the commit history will be full of those
20130329 20:08:56< AI0867> dcommit is a git-svn thing
20130329 20:09:19< anonymissimus> rebasing before dcommitting is generally a good idea, in case of conflicts one has an easier time
20130329 20:09:46< anonymissimus> even making a local branch where the commits are saved in case it gets too difficult
20130329 20:10:00< anonymissimus> and you need to delete everything or so :P
20130329 20:31:27< irker426> unknown wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-32-g528e316 / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: cb project update
20130329 20:31:28< irker426> unknown wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-33-g196008b / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/.gitignore: update the respective .gitignore file with CodeBlocks's output files
20130329 20:32:01< anonymissimus> unkown ?
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20130329 20:33:29< anonymissimus> hm I'm guessing wildly that that's a system problem
20130329 20:33:56< anonymissimus> git behaves differently there when I switch to Linux
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20130329 20:41:45< anonymissimus> timotei: do you know something about someone pushing to a git project (git on the server, not git-svn) from a windows system, and his nick shows up as unknown ?
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20130329 20:47:08< mordante> servus
20130329 20:49:17< lipkabb> hi mordante
20130329 20:49:27< mordante> hi lipkabb 
20130329 20:50:47< bumbadadabum> lipkabb: "Who names their country Hungry?"
20130329 20:51:22< lipkabb> bumbadadabum: ?
20130329 20:51:34< bumbadadabum> I was quoting some youtube video I was watching
20130329 20:51:39< bumbadadabum> where someone didn't know Europe
20130329 20:52:16< lipkabb> Is that a quote of sorts?
20130329 20:52:36< lipkabb> Ah-ha.
20130329 20:52:59< timotei> anonymissimus: hmm... unknown!? Do you have an example?
20130329 20:53:13< timotei> anonymissimus: I used linux, windows and mac with git and no problems like that at all.
20130329 20:53:30< timotei> If your usename/email isn't set git warns you and doesn't even let you commit IIRC.
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20130329 20:54:24< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20130329 20:54:31< mordante> hi Elvish_Hunter 
20130329 20:54:31< lipkabb> Hi Elvish_Hunter.
20130329 20:55:12< mordante> shadowm, yeah right since the final delay for 1.11.2 was due to me I'm to blame for all delays, also the commit would have been trivial to revert
20130329 20:58:31< mordante> fabi, I had about 1.5Mb/s while cloning
20130329 21:00:14< anonymissimus> timotei: "If your usename/email isn't set git warns you and doesn't even let you commit IIRC." yes thats what I thought and hoped :P
20130329 21:00:22< anonymissimus> but no
20130329 21:00:31< timotei> Ummm
20130329 21:00:36< timotei> Did you already push the commit?
20130329 21:00:41< anonymissimus> yes
20130329 21:00:43< timotei> Because if not, then you're lucky
20130329 21:00:44< timotei> ah
20130329 21:00:57< timotei> You could ammend the commit, but IDK if that works for pushed commites.
20130329 21:01:08< timotei> You'd need a 'filter-branch' command to rewrite history
20130329 21:01:16< anonymissimus> it does, but is considered bad practice
20130329 21:01:41< timotei> Well, given that your commit is already at top, I wouldn't say that
20130329 21:01:44< anonymissimus> although editing only commit messages is probably less evil
20130329 21:01:46< timotei> But yeah
20130329 21:02:15< timotei> I read that 'filter-branch' breaks other people' repos...so yeah, better leave it like that.
20130329 21:05:08< stikonas> there is an easier way to change the commit messange. git commit --amend. But it would still break other repos
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20130329 21:12:55< anonymissimus> could pls some of you Linux devs pull my commits on the top and look in the log viewer whether the author shows up as unkown ?
20130329 21:13:41< mordante> anonymissimus, Author: unknown <_@a.(none)>
20130329 21:14:10< mordante> anonymissimus, update the respective .gitignore file with CodeBlocks's output files
20130329 21:14:20< anonymissimus> okay...
20130329 21:14:34< anonymissimus> and why is that....
20130329 21:14:50< mordante> did you enter a username and email address?
20130329 21:15:14< anonymissimus> hm there is actually an underscore as my email username ?
20130329 21:15:28< mordante> yes
20130329 21:16:13< anonymissimus> okay, well first thing I'll try is setting the username and email in my global gitconfig
20130329 21:16:29< anonymissimus> but I kind of expect another unkown commit :P
20130329 21:16:57< mordante> of course you can look in the git log before pushing the change upstream
20130329 21:21:11< anonymissimus> I do that
20130329 21:21:52< anonymissimus> until now, it was most of the time (always ?) so that on windows I show up as unkown and on Linux as my username
20130329 21:22:06< anonymissimus> but it never transferred to the remote repo
20130329 21:22:41< anonymissimus> I'm guessing it is because git somehow auto-acquires the name from the account username on Linux but doesn't on win
20130329 21:23:32< anonymissimus> at some spot it also asked me who I am and didn't let me commit at all
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20130329 21:27:30< mordante> uhm no I had to set my username and email address in Linux as well
20130329 21:27:47< mordante> and often I do it directly in the config of the repository
20130329 21:32:04< anonymissimus> okay, so if I try to make a local commit on Linux it requires me to set a username, but it does not on windows
20130329 21:33:10< mordante> well every commit is local at first
20130329 21:33:43< mordante> not sure whether it shouts loudly or refuses to commit on Linux
20130329 21:33:56< mordante> I learned to avoid that mistake ;-)
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20130329 21:34:45< anonymissimus> it shouts with a big bad message
20130329 21:35:01< anonymissimus> "fatal system error" style
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20130329 21:49:38< mordante> shadowm, thanks for the gui2 forum post
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20130329 21:55:08< timotei> anonymissimus_: what version of git you use?
20130329 21:55:14< timotei> anonymissimus_: do you use msysgit?
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20130329 21:55:36< timotei> anonymissimus: Because even on windows, it has definitely to ask you the details
20130329 21:55:52< timotei> anonymissimus: Or, maybe some dummy values are set :)
20130329 21:56:00< timotei> You should check the .gitconfig file in your home folder
20130329 21:57:37< anonymissimus> timotei: mysysgit yes
20130329 21:57:51< anonymissimus> no, it definitely _never_ asked me
20130329 21:58:02< anonymissimus> it does only on Linux
20130329 21:58:06< anonymissimus> perhaps its a bug
20130329 21:58:33< anonymissimus> anyway, I've set user.name and .email everywhere, hopefully no unkown commits any more
20130329 22:00:54< anonymissimus> timotei: anyway, you should check whether you have it set, and do that in case it's not
20130329 22:01:08< anonymissimus> perhaps it behaves differently on win7 or so
20130329 22:04:03< irker426> Mark de Wever wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-35-gfb6f4ec / : Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.code.sf.net/p/wesnoth/code
20130329 22:04:04< irker426> Mark de Wever wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-32-gac53b13 / src/gui/widgets/container.hpp src/gui/widgets/control.hpp src/gui/widgets/drawing.cpp src/gui/widgets/drawing.hpp src/gui/widgets/generator.hpp src/gui/widgets/generator_private.hpp src/gui/widgets/grid.hpp src/gui/widgets/image.hpp src/gui/widgets/matrix.hpp src/gui/widgets/pane.hpp src/gui/widgets/scrollbar_container.hpp src/gui/widgets/slider.hpp src/gui/widgets/spacer.cpp src/gui/widgets/
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20130329 22:05:36< mordante> *grumble* that merge was not intended to be a merge, IIRC git would warn about it, probably my version is too old
20130329 22:06:52< Gambit> there are going to be a lot of those commits
20130329 22:07:24< Gambit> shadowm: What was the thing to automatically rebase upon pulling?
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20130329 22:12:30< loonycyborg> git pull --rebase :P
20130329 22:15:05< anonymissimus> Gambit: don't you mean automatically rebase before pushing ?
20130329 22:15:38< Gambit> it won't let you push if there are commits ahead
20130329 22:15:44< Gambit> so then you stop and pull
20130329 22:15:49< Gambit> and it should rebase then automatically
20130329 22:15:54< Gambit> there's some configuration option
20130329 22:15:56< Gambit> I just don't remember it.
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20130329 22:16:33< Gambit> but you can also use the rebase switch like loonycyborg
20130329 22:16:34< Gambit> said
20130329 22:16:40< Gambit> I accidentally a word.
20130329 22:17:00< mordante> I'm off night
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20130329 22:41:25< anonymissimus> Gambit: you only said "slightly over", that's problematic
20130329 22:41:36< anonymissimus> you should have clearly mentioned the size
20130329 22:41:51< Gambit> Mordante gave them the size
20130329 22:42:14< Gambit> Also they have reiterated that the limit is a soft one to prevent people from abusing github as a file host service
20130329 22:42:23< Gambit> It has no bearing or legitimate projects like us
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20130329 22:44:28< anonymissimus> it sounds as if the people you've talked with are not the same, and that they don't know of each other and what they said to you both
20130329 22:46:57< shadowm> mordante: I didn't blame you for _all_ delays, only the one that caused the original tagging deadline to not be met. Then Ivanovic fell sick, so that piled up on top of the original delay. I am not personally blaming you for anything, but Ivanovic decided to wait for you and I am not the one to decide those things here (nor did I know what the exact problem was, although you confirmed my suspicion that it was just in need of a ...
20130329 22:47:03< shadowm> ... trivial commit revert).
20130329 22:47:35< AI0867> anonymissimus: was 'unknown' you?
20130329 22:47:48< AI0867> it basically means you haven't set up your name and email
20130329 22:48:07< AI0867> under linux at least, it complains every time you commit if you haven't set them up yet
20130329 22:48:49< anonymissimus> AI0867: yes and yes
20130329 22:49:43< anonymissimus> Gambit: if github is not open source itself that makes me nervous
20130329 22:50:03< anonymissimus> doesn't it mean they can change out of the top the rules and we're f*cked ?
20130329 22:50:08< AI0867> also, under git-svn it 'auto-acquires' it because the only author info is the username you use to authenticate yourself
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20130329 22:51:01< shadowm> anonymissimus: It's not like SF.net's code base being open source means they are a democracy or all that caring about their users.
20130329 22:51:17< shadowm> Same thing applies to Wesnoth, ironically enough.
20130329 22:51:49< anonymissimus> at least I can see really many projects there which feel kind of familiar
20130329 22:55:11< Gambit> "We claim no intellectual property rights over the material you provide to the Service. Your profile and materials uploaded remain yours. However, by setting your pages to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view your Content. By setting your repositories to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view and fork your repositories."
20130329 22:55:48< Gambit> anonymissimus: so... no
20130329 23:02:43< anonymissimus> another question is whether there'd be someone who does another move :P
20130329 23:02:55< AI0867> there's not much work to be done
20130329 23:02:57< anonymissimus> all the work
20130329 23:03:08< AI0867> -a github org needs to be created
20130329 23:03:12< AI0867> -the repo needs to be uploaded
20130329 23:03:13< anonymissimus> the main work was the change to git ?
20130329 23:03:26< shadowm> anonymissimus: Yes, the crux of the issue was the git conversion.
20130329 23:03:28< AI0867> -a few references need to be changed (2 files in the repo, some stuff on the wiki)
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20130329 23:03:40< AI0867> -people need to change the origin in their clone
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20130329 23:03:45< shadowm> Moving the repository to another place is pretty much trivial.
20130329 23:03:56< shadowm> Ad we have the resources to do it.
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20130329 23:07:54< Gambit> Everyone please note that you do not need to re-clone.
20130329 23:08:14< Gambit> If we move anywhere, you will be able to change the remote repo you're pushing to and pulling from with a single command.
20130329 23:08:38< Gambit> That's kind of the point of git. It's distributed.
20130329 23:08:53< Gambit> You could pull from each other if you wanted.
20130329 23:11:47< _Coffee> quick question -- if there is a bug does it get put on GNA for now as before?
20130329 23:12:27< lipkab> _Coffee: For now yes. The bug tracker will be moved later.
20130329 23:12:37< _Coffee> thanks lipkab
20130329 23:12:54< shadowm_desktop> _Coffee: Yes. :(
20130329 23:13:23< _Coffee> shadowm_desktop: don't feel so so, there are always bugs :P
20130329 23:13:58< shadowm_desktop> lipkab, _Coffee The problem is that the git move was done without any coordination with the bug tracker business.
20130329 23:14:11< shadowm_desktop> The bug tracker migration hasn't even been discussed.
20130329 23:14:18< _Coffee> I'll put that one on the bug tracker too ;)
20130329 23:16:00< shadowm_desktop> If that as a joke, it didn't manage to make me smile or anything.
20130329 23:16:02< shadowm_desktop> *was
20130329 23:17:12< anonymissimus> the bug tracker move is supposed to be "automagically handled by Crab" ?
20130329 23:17:20< shadowm_desktop> Who is MIA.
20130329 23:17:23< shadowm_desktop> wesbot: Crab_
20130329 23:17:35< shadowm_desktop> Or at least, extremely silent.
20130329 23:17:39< shadowm_desktop> wesbot: seen Crab_
20130329 23:17:40< wesbot> shadowm_desktop: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 15d 8h ago.  2d 11h ago person left:
20130329 23:17:49< _Coffee> do ancient liches wielding dark magic smile? http://shadowm.rewound.net/gfx/avatar.png
20130329 23:17:56< anonymissimus> well then, at least it means that we are finally get rid of our bugs
20130329 23:18:07< shadowm_desktop> Also, as part of the wesnoth.org staff I haven't heard anything from the rest of the staff regarding hosting the tracker ourselves.
20130329 23:18:23< shadowm_desktop> So that means that no progress has been made on that front, which is annoying.
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