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20130331 00:12:55< anonymissimus> perhaps this is a stupid question; is it okay that a poisoned unit looses only 6 HPs per turn since it apparently did rest ? it has no special traits or so (no heakthy trait)
20130331 00:13:45< shadowm> I don't remember that being possible in any version, but I'm not the most attentive player either.
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20130331 00:27:47< loonycyborg> That depends on whether it moved/attacked at that turn :P
20130331 00:28:35< shadowm> I mean that I don't remember that rest-healing could mitigate the poison effect before.
20130331 00:28:46< shadowm> I obviously know about rest-healing.
20130331 00:29:14< shadowm> In fact, I did a lot of research on the exact mechanism of rest-healing for WML purposes and ended up screaming and smashing furniture in frustration.
20130331 00:30:50< shadowm> 18:48:34 <Gambit> There's a reason MMOs do big hyped up named themed expansions.
20130331 00:30:54< shadowm> Gambit: You know what my opinion on the matter is.
20130331 00:31:21< shadowm> That is, about mainline campaigns.
20130331 00:32:16< shadowm> And so far it seems 1.12 will not even have any 'new' campaign.
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20130331 00:45:48< anonymissimus> okay, I can reproduce the situation independently
20130331 00:46:16< anonymissimus> at least the description should be adapted then; it says the unit looses 8 HPs per turn no matter what
20130331 00:46:49< anonymissimus> (except for that ti stops at 1 HP)
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20130331 00:54:43< anonymissimus> well, this situation hardly ever arises for a human player, so it's not that surprising we don't recall it; a human would always heal or move to a village as quickly as possible and not rest
20130331 00:55:11< anonymissimus> in that situation, I poisoned and jailed an AI leader
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20130331 01:30:43< irker717> anonymissimus wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-59-g0c46e0b / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/05_Orc_War.cfg: fix the surviving orc leader starting poisoned in the next scenario
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20130331 07:02:39< nurupo> whoa
20130331 07:02:48< nurupo> i think i finally fixed it :)
20130331 07:03:42< nurupo> yes, it's fixed. but not sure if it's a right way to fix it
20130331 07:04:19< nurupo> will ask mordante when he comes
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20130331 08:42:54< mordante> servus
20130331 08:44:39< mordante> nurupo, I'm around now
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20130331 10:31:56< Ivanovic> moin
20130331 10:32:37< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20130331 11:58:45< fabi> hi mordante, zookeeper
20130331 11:59:30< zookeeper> hi
20130331 12:13:08< mordante> hi fabi 
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20130331 13:26:48< irker677> fendrin wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-60-g8ada4fb / data/themes/editor.cfg: Editor: Made the toogle grid button a checkbox one.
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20130331 13:42:25< irker677> fendrin wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-61-g31353be / src/hotkeys.cpp src/hotkeys.hpp: Automatic button state adjustment for theme menu buttons. check vs uncheck works enable/disable of buttons not
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20130331 14:10:50< irker677> fendrin wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-62-gf6f50ec / src/editor/editor_controller.cpp: Made use of the new automatic button state feature for two editor gui elements. Toogle Grid and Toggle Default Zoom
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20130331 15:56:28< irker677> fendrin wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-63-geea59ab / src/hotkeys.cpp src/hotkeys.hpp: Documentation and code cleanup of set_button_state.
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20130331 16:06:41< mordante> btw fabi you are aware you can collect several commits and push them all at the same time?
20130331 16:07:18< fabi> mordante: Yeah, I learned that I can commit local and push every local commit at once.
20130331 16:07:49< fabi> mordante: Do you plan to lift the c++98 compile advise to a higher value soon?
20130331 16:08:15< fabi> mordante: I really would like to use some of the newer c++ features like to for (each) loop.
20130331 16:08:27< fabi> s/to/the
20130331 16:10:28< lipkab> fabi: Be prepared that won't be able to use any of that in the next 5 years or so.
20130331 16:10:42< lipkab> If MSVC compatibility is to be kept, that is.
20130331 16:11:16< fabi> lipkab: Really? No for each loop with Microsoft's flagship?
20130331 16:11:53< mordante> fabi, ok just wanted to make sure
20130331 16:12:36< fabi> mordante: I am using the eclipse gui frontend to git. Most functions are still quite mysterious.
20130331 16:12:37< mordante> fabi, I agree with lipkab the C++11 support for compilers is still flacky
20130331 16:13:10< mordante> personally I expect about 3 years
20130331 16:13:25< fabi> Can't we enable it but just not use the syntax that mscv lacks? I guess the for each loop is already ready there.
20130331 16:13:41< mordante> note that the support in GCC-4.8 is rather complete, but they still call it experimental
20130331 16:14:01< mordante> Debian stable has gcc-4.4, which is not able to compile Wesnoth
20130331 16:14:29< mordante> of you love the new for style loops, have a look at the FOREACH macro
20130331 16:15:00< mordante> and although FOREACH(foo, foos) works, I would recommend using FOREACH(AUTO foo, foos)
20130331 16:15:12< fabi> The FOREACH macro confuses eclipses semantic checker. Thus it is not really nice to work with.
20130331 16:16:08< fabi> mordante: What about using c++03 instead of c++98. At least that should be ready now, ten years later.
20130331 16:16:35< mordante> the changes between C++03 and C++98 are virtual non-existant
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20130331 16:17:02< mordante> IIRC gcc doesn't have a switch to distinguish between them
20130331 16:24:56< fabi> mordante: Yeah, the parameter is recognized but substituted with 98.
20130331 16:25:30< mordante> yes the differences are minimal and quite obscure
20130331 16:26:02< mordante> can't recall the details, but IIRC something to do with corner cases in the name lookups
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20130331 16:42:39< timotei> fabi, mordante: Well, how much of VS's backwards compatibility do we require?
20130331 16:43:07< timotei> Currently me and anonymissimus use VC9 (VS 2008), but VC10 (VS 2010) has some more C++11 features available
20130331 16:43:13< timotei> That is: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2010/04/06/c-0x-core-language-features-in-vc10-the-table.aspx
20130331 16:44:24< fabi> timotei: The 2010 feature list looks already promising.
20130331 16:46:00< mordante> timotei, it's not only MSVC, but the current state on Linux isn't too good either and no idea regarding the state of the Mac
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20130331 17:39:54< lipkab> mordante: Is there anything like "the Mac" in this aspect? Don't they use clang and gcc as well?
20130331 17:41:01< AI0867> I think they've switched from gcc to clang
20130331 17:41:44< timotei> Yeah, clang is by default, but gcc can be used also
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20130331 17:45:37< vultraz> is it possible to set a label value (like that for income) with wesnoth.theme_items?
20130331 17:45:47< vultraz> label theme value*
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20130331 17:57:25< mordante> lipkab, I think they moved to clang, but not sure what the common version of clang is on that platform
20130331 17:57:39< mordante> and how easy it is to upgrade to a newer version
20130331 18:00:47< vultraz> mordante: is it intentional that you cannot have blank lines in message text?
20130331 18:01:16< vultraz> if you do text, blank line, text, the blank line gets removed
20130331 18:02:06< vultraz> I've seen this in storytext, custom gui dialogs, and I think probably [message] too
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20130331 18:05:21< mordante> vultraz, no idea, but when starting the test scenario and moving a unit to the manual tile (17,9) there are blank lines
20130331 18:05:38< vultraz> Weird...
20130331 18:06:04< vultraz> How do I get to that test scenario?
20130331 18:06:51< mordante> starting wesnoth with the -t parameter, eg wesnoth -t
20130331 18:07:09< mordante> no idea regarding the storyscreens and Lua code
20130331 18:17:26< vultraz> Ok yeah, spaces work with[message]
20130331 18:17:50< vultraz> but not the other two
20130331 18:18:50< vultraz> But I can get around it easily enough with a space character, it seems
20130331 18:19:34< mordante> what does not work?
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20130331 18:20:03< vultraz> Blank lines in lua gui and the storyscreen
20130331 18:20:50< mordante> with spaces work with[message], you mean the blank lines?
20130331 18:20:57< vultraz> er, yeah
20130331 18:21:04< mordante> ok
20130331 18:21:37< mordante> maybe shadowm can shed some light on the storyscreen, no idea who maintains Lua at the moment (or whether it is maintained)
20130331 18:23:42 * vultraz looks for the storyscreen code
20130331 18:23:44< mordante> vultraz, FYI I'm re-familiarising myself with the listbox code
20130331 18:25:29< vultraz> ah, nice :)
20130331 18:26:14< AI0867> mordante: I believe that's anonymissimus
20130331 18:27:34< mordante> yes he did some things in that area, but I don't know whether he wears the maintainer hat
20130331 18:27:46< vultraz> lol I'm an idiot, there's a big folder called storyscreen staring at me
20130331 18:28:25< mordante> stare back at it
20130331 18:29:05< vultraz> xD
20130331 18:34:25< vultraz> hm...now where's the [message] code :S
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20130331 18:47:26< vultraz> yeahh no idea . I don't know enough C++ to figure out the problem
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20130331 18:52:59< lipkab> vultraz: http://imagebin.org/252332
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20130331 18:59:02< vultraz> lipkab: woah how'd you do that
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20130331 18:59:10< vultraz> lol
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20130331 19:00:26< vultraz> lipkab: how'd you do that? spaces, or actually editing the code?
20130331 19:05:33< AI0867> non-breaking spaces?
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20130331 19:19:37< anonymissimus> a question to be sure: It used to be so that negative gold at the end of a scenario does not carry over to the next one, so that 40% of the previous gold would get subtracted from the minimum starting gold ?
20130331 19:20:25< anonymissimus> (I wonder how I could have continued after HttT::Valley of Death otherwise...)
20130331 19:20:54< zookeeper> i can't quite understand the question.
20130331 19:21:06< zookeeper> anyway, AFAIK negative gold has never carried over
20130331 19:22:22< bumbadadabum> yup
20130331 19:28:07< anonymissimus> zookeeper: say we have -10 gold, 40/100*(-10) = -4; the next scenario has 100 gold minimum, we start with 96 ?
20130331 19:28:20< zookeeper> no
20130331 19:28:43< bumbadadabum> "or the minimum gold, whatever is higher"
20130331 19:28:51< anonymissimus> okay, thats the bug then :)
20130331 19:28:55< bumbadadabum> is that still a thing?
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20130331 19:42:45< lipkab> vultraz: I didn't do anything, it just works for me.
20130331 19:43:01< lipkab> Are you on Windows?
20130331 19:43:08< bumbadadabum> yes he is
20130331 19:43:34< lipkab> He also has a Mac doesn't he?
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20130331 19:43:44< bumbadadabum> he doesn't use it AFAIK
20130331 19:44:41< lipkab> vultraz: Okay, if you're on Windows it might have something to do with notorious Unix vs. DOS lineending problem.
20130331 19:44:59< bumbadadabum> Unix>DOS
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20130331 19:49:02< vultraz> bumbadadabum: currently using Windows, using the mac for unix command line 
20130331 19:49:25< vultraz> lipkab: so yes, on Windows
20130331 19:49:48< bumbadadabum> lipkab: Are there actually other devs on windows?
20130331 19:50:10< vultraz> bumbadadabum: anonymissimus 
20130331 19:51:28< lipkab> ...and timotei.
20130331 19:51:36< bumbadadabum> ok
20130331 19:52:01< lipkab> vultraz: Do you know how to switch the endlines?
20130331 19:52:08< lipkab> You could try that.
20130331 19:52:30< vultraz> Well I got it to work by just sticking a space in the empty line
20130331 19:52:41< lipkab> Ah.
20130331 19:53:14< lipkab> It's something else then, probably.
20130331 19:53:57< bumbadadabum> wesbot: seen Alarantalara
20130331 19:53:57< wesbot> bumbadadabum: The person with the nick Alarantalara last spoke 22h 57m ago.  3h 56m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20130331 19:55:43< bumbadadabum> McDonalds commercials make the burgers look extremely tasty
20130331 19:55:55< bumbadadabum> which makes the disappointment even bigger
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20130331 20:16:39< anonymissimus> and loonycyborg for the windows releases
20130331 20:17:23< bumbadadabum> And what about mac?
20130331 20:17:35< bumbadadabum> just Alarantalara?
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20130331 20:26:51< anonymissimus> well, vultraz but I'm not sure whether he actually succeeded at building and running or debugging wesnoth at any time
20130331 20:27:24< anonymissimus> and there used to be crimson_penguin who made the mac releases before Ala
20130331 20:27:30< bumbadadabum> Wow... apparently you cannot close iTunes without going to the activity monitor
20130331 20:27:31< vultraz> I was able to build it, before my MSVC trial expired, but it was slow as hell
20130331 20:28:10< bumbadadabum> I just want all the mac compile stuff from Alarantalara
20130331 20:28:31< bumbadadabum> because the wiki is doing an awful lot of "replace this and this"
20130331 20:29:12< anonymissimus> I know that Sapient, Ilor and Upthorn are or have also been using MSVC
20130331 20:29:14< vultraz> bumbadadabum: you're trying to build on mac?
20130331 20:29:24< anonymissimus> also Crab
20130331 20:29:40< bumbadadabum> vultraz: yes
20130331 20:29:56< vultraz> do you have the mac compile stuff download?
20130331 20:29:56< anonymissimus> but Sapient and Ilor probably didn't build since long
20130331 20:30:18< bumbadadabum> vultraz: not yet, I'm still installing the latest possible Xcode
20130331 20:30:26< vultraz> Ok
20130331 20:30:45< bumbadadabum> My laptop is too old for 10.7 :p
20130331 20:30:51< vultraz> hah
20130331 20:30:59< anonymissimus> last time I asked timotei he also couldn't quite build with MSVC, so I'm perhaps the only one atm...
20130331 20:31:03< vultraz> don't use 10.7 for compiling
20130331 20:31:16< bumbadadabum> I am not
20130331 20:31:22< vultraz> It works for some people (like timotei) and not for others (like me)
20130331 20:31:25< bumbadadabum> I'm on 10.6.8 right now
20130331 20:31:29< vultraz> I have no idea about 10.8
20130331 20:31:57< bumbadadabum> vultraz: It should work with xcode 3.2, right?
20130331 20:31:59< vultraz> Alright, good. I was able to compile on 10..6.8 before I upgraded to 10.7
20130331 20:32:15< vultraz> bumbadadabum: um...I forgot
20130331 20:32:30< bumbadadabum> well, that's the latest one for 10.6
20130331 20:32:31< vultraz> I know there was an xcode version where wesnoth wouldn't compile, and I had to upgrade
20130331 20:32:36< nurupo> anonymissimus: what are you talking about, msvc2010 builds wesnoth just fine
20130331 20:33:21< bumbadadabum> it has been saying: "2 minutes left" for 5 minutes now
20130331 20:33:26< nurupo> except i got some strange bug
20130331 20:34:07< anonymissimus> nurupo: well, then you are lucky; the MSVC version is not the problem
20130331 20:34:28< anonymissimus> the boost dependencys and the dlls are, generally
20130331 20:34:45< nurupo> if i close wesnoth during a scenario then run wesnoth again and open a scenario, it wesnoth crashes after initial dialogue
20130331 20:35:00< nurupo> deleting userdata folder helps to prevent this
20130331 20:35:14< anonymissimus> and of course it's nto just running, I want to be able to sensibly run the debugger
20130331 20:35:35< anonymissimus> nurupo: that's perhaps a valid bug
20130331 20:35:36< nurupo> yeah, i'm running wesnoth in the vs2010 debugger
20130331 20:36:03< anonymissimus> it is rather likely to detect bugs with the vc debugger, since few people use it
20130331 20:36:14< nurupo> anonymissimus: i had to get just one boost library. something bzip
20130331 20:36:26< anonymissimus> it can detect things that even valgrind doesn't
20130331 20:36:47< nurupo> isn't valgrind only for memory leaks?
20130331 20:37:10< anonymissimus> valgrind is for a lot of things, most importantly invalid memory management
20130331 20:37:26< anonymissimus> including, but not limited to leaks
20130331 20:38:07< nurupo> *it crashes wesnoth after initial dialogue
20130331 20:38:34< bumbadadabum> Ok
20130331 20:38:36< bumbadadabum> downloaded
20130331 20:38:51< anonymissimus> nurupo: "deleting userdata folder": try deleting the cache/ only
20130331 20:39:12< anonymissimus> perhaps I've also seen that crash already a few times with the test scenario
20130331 20:39:26< nurupo> anonymissimus: the only difference is that vc debugger is just a regular debugger, when valgrind checks everything for you :)
20130331 20:39:54< nurupo> anonymissimus: i see that crash all the time with any scenario so far
20130331 20:40:05< anonymissimus> well, I recall one particular bug in this project, which valgrind was unable to detect, but the vc debugger crashed upon it
20130331 20:40:13< anonymissimus> the mac build also crashed
20130331 20:40:38< nurupo> the game is build in the debug mode. perphas i can look up in stderr.txt to see if there is any problem that causes it
20130331 20:40:46< anonymissimus> gdb also didn't notice anything
20130331 20:40:53< bumbadadabum> vultraz: Help me, how does this work? :p
20130331 20:41:02< nurupo> *perhaps
20130331 20:41:03< vultraz> bumbadadabum: hang on
20130331 20:41:25< vultraz> bumbadadabum: I'll help you in your channel, it's too crowded here
20130331 20:41:29< bumbadadabum> ok
20130331 20:50:14< bumbadadabum> Dumb question, but how do you check out the wesnoth git repo?
20130331 20:50:29< anonymissimus> nurupo: well, you should report the problem, if don't know, can't or want to handle it yourself
20130331 20:51:27< anonymissimus> nurupo: so, are you an aspiring GSoC student and you did set up MSVC to build wesnoth alone ? good
20130331 20:51:46< anonymissimus> I use 2008, since I find 2010 slow and unstable
20130331 20:52:45< anonymissimus> but as far as building wesnoth is concerned, there are hardly andy differences between 2008 and 2010
20130331 20:54:59< nurupo> anonymissimus: you saw right through it :) i'm going to participate in GSoC 2013, if i don't get any internship responses before the GSoC deadline
20130331 20:56:07< nurupo> most likely will be doing some KDE stuff since i'm switched from coding in Java to coding in Qt + C++
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20130331 21:01:12< mordante> did you participate in GSoC before?
20130331 21:01:25< nurupo> no
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20130331 21:02:29< anonymissimus> nurupo: well, I hope you can work for wesnoth then, since we need windows devs
20130331 21:02:58< nurupo> oh, so you are registered for GSoC?
20130331 21:03:18< mordante> we signed up, google decides who participates
20130331 21:03:39< nurupo> i see, it's not decided yet
20130331 21:03:50< mordante> we did participate the last years
20130331 21:04:25< mordante> no it is unknown which organisations will be in
20130331 21:04:55< mordante> I think participating in GSoC is really interesting for students
20130331 21:09:42< nurupo> yeah, if one got nothing better to do during the summer
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20130331 21:10:55< nurupo> last summer i was writing an easily-module-extendable irc bot in java witn osgi framework. too bad i didn't know about GSoC at that time
20130331 21:14:57< nurupo> because now i want to rewrite the bot in c++ with qt. it would make code a lot cleaner (signals-slots instead of event loops and event listeners) and easier to write
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20130331 21:46:16< mordante> I'm off night
20130331 21:46:26< vultraz> cya
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20130331 23:42:13< shadowm> 13:21:36 <mordante> maybe shadowm can shed some light on the storyscreen, no idea who maintains Lua at the moment (or whether it is maintained)
20130331 23:42:37< shadowm> mordante: I refactored the storyscreen code and that's probably one of my worst decisions ever.
20130331 23:42:57< shadowm> It's an even worse steaming pile of shit now than it was before I did that.
20130331 23:43:08< shadowm> I think lipkab may understand it better nowadays, not sure.
20130331 23:46:10< nurupo> refactoring didn't work? :)
20130331 23:46:34< shadowm> The refactoring looks worse than the previous linear and non-OO code.
20130331 23:47:02< shadowm> Anyway, that's my opinion of my own code.
20130331 23:47:26< shadowm> Nobody else ever bothered to take a look at that and provide me with constructive criticism.
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