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20130328 01:13:42< irker369> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r17934 /trunk/After_the_Storm/ (episode3/scenarios/07B_Dark_Sea.cfg changelog): 
20130328 01:13:42< irker369> wesnoth-umc-dev: AtS E3S7B: make the NW Shaxthal and E undead AIs less prone to stealing player villages
20130328 01:14:26< irker369> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r17935 /trunk/After_the_Storm/episode3/scenarios/08B_Destiny_part_1.cfg: 
20130328 01:14:26< irker369> wesnoth-umc-dev: AtS E3S8D: cover Ramzal's range with shroud again after his first speech event
20130328 01:15:01< irker369> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r17936 /trunk/After_the_Storm/episode3/scenarios/08B_Destiny_part_1.cfg: 
20130328 01:15:02< irker369> wesnoth-umc-dev: AtS E3S8B: add laugh.ogg to one of Zhangor's lines
20130328 01:15:45< irker369> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r17937 /trunk/After_the_Storm/episode3/storytxt.cfg: 
20130328 01:15:45< irker369> wesnoth-umc-dev: AtS E3S8C: start storyscreen with silence.ogg as BGM
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20130328 06:42:21< vultraz> zookeeper: what do the inhabitants of irdya call their hours/days/months?
20130328 06:42:35< vultraz> I assume there's no Monday, etc in Wesnoth
20130328 06:42:41< zookeeper> no idea
20130328 06:42:45< zookeeper> unspecified
20130328 06:42:59< vultraz> wow, so I have to make this up...
20130328 06:43:27< vultraz> shadowm says you don't even use AM/PM notation
20130328 06:43:38< vultraz> ...do their days even have 24 hours?
20130328 06:44:01< vultraz> (this is assuming one sun. I don't even want to try to figure out how 2 suns would affect this)
20130328 06:44:51< zookeeper> one might assume so due to the existence of the 24-hour ToD schedule, but then again that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
20130328 06:45:02< _8680_> vultraz, most people don't use AM/PM.
20130328 06:45:17< vultraz> hm...
20130328 06:45:28< vultraz> alright, I'll work with the assumption of a 24 hour day
20130328 06:46:26< vultraz> and have them refer to time as, like, 2nd hour (2 AM), 13th hour (1 PM), 23rd hour (11 PM), etc
20130328 06:46:56< _8680_> Referring to hours would require them to have clocks.
20130328 06:47:11< vultraz> hourglasses?
20130328 06:47:19< _8680_> I guess.
20130328 06:48:06< vultraz> yeah, I forgot they don't have clocks
20130328 06:48:30< vultraz> so, they measure days and years by the sun
20130328 06:48:40< vultraz> months by the moon
20130328 06:49:00< vultraz> oh wait
20130328 06:49:02< vultraz> no moon
20130328 06:49:15< vultraz> or DOES it have a moon?
20130328 06:49:17< vultraz> shadowm?
20130328 06:50:03< shadowm> I think esr and I decided it had two moons at one point?
20130328 06:50:13< shadowm> I don't really remember nor do I care. It has at leat one moon.
20130328 06:50:23< vultraz> alright, one moon, good
20130328 06:51:21< vultraz> actually, what's to even assume that they measure time like we do...
20130328 06:51:22< _8680_> They don't necessarily not have clocks.
20130328 06:51:44< shadowm> I mean, come on, vultraz.
20130328 06:51:54< shadowm> AtS E2S1's name is "By the Moonlight".
20130328 06:51:58< shadowm> >:|
20130328 06:52:15< shadowm> How could you have moonlight without a moon?
20130328 06:52:22< shadowm> s/name/title/
20130328 06:52:36< _8680_> I'd assume that established mages and other learned persons with permanent residences would have some kind of clocks.
20130328 06:53:04< _8680_> As a curiosity, if they're otherwise uncommon.
20130328 06:53:19< _8680_> Large cities may have clock towers.
20130328 06:55:19< _8680_> But I assume that roving heroes and armies on the march would have to reckon time by natural cycles like the {DEFAULT_SCHEDULE}.
20130328 06:55:21< shadowm> vultraz: Exactly why do you need to bother with any of this?
20130328 06:58:55< vultraz> Since I want to know how I'm supposed to say a time of a specific event for scenario 1
20130328 06:59:33< vultraz> Royal Palace of Weldyn, 18:30 IT? (Irdyan time)
20130328 07:00:09< vultraz> Since I can't just say, one evening
20130328 07:00:25< vultraz> And optimally, I'd give a month and year
20130328 07:00:34< vultraz> and day
20130328 07:03:47< shadowm> "Irdyan time". Biggest joke I've ever heard.
20130328 07:03:49< _8680_> Why can't you just say evening?
20130328 07:04:31< shadowm> (Either you are trying too hard or you forgot how time zones work in the real world.)
20130328 07:05:31< vultraz> _8680_: "Royal Palace of Weldyn, one evening in 1075 YW" <- sounds weird
20130328 07:05:46< _8680_> I think it sounds fine.
20130328 07:07:40< _8680_> What about it sounds "weird" to you?
20130328 07:08:14< vultraz> If this was a real world RPG, I would say: "September 15th, 2013. The White House, 7:32 PM"
20130328 07:08:41< vultraz> so why for wesnoth should I have to settle with "one evening"
20130328 07:10:17< vultraz> (well, actually I'd say 19:32 and not 7:32 PM)
20130328 07:11:18< vultraz> so, basically that's what I'm looking for
20130328 07:11:34< vultraz> the wesnoth equiv of "September 15th, 2013. The White House, 19:32"
20130328 07:14:37< vultraz> _8680_: weird because it's so vague
20130328 07:14:51< _8680_> I would see nothing wrong with "The White House, the evening of September 15th, 2013".
20130328 07:15:17< _8680_> Do you need specificity?
20130328 07:15:45< vultraz> Nothing wrong with that, but wesnoth has no names for months
20130328 07:17:11< _8680_> "The royal palace at Weldyn, the evening of the fifteenth day of the ninth month of the 1075th Year of Wesnoth."
20130328 07:17:47< vultraz> hm....
20130328 07:19:16< vultraz> I'm guessing it's assumed a year is 365 days on Irdya
20130328 07:19:27< _8680_> Why?
20130328 07:20:00< shadowm> Groan.
20130328 07:20:00< _8680_> Irydan years != Norsulan years, so why not Irdyan years != Terran years?
20130328 07:20:23< vultraz> But who says Irdyan years != Norsulan years
20130328 07:20:27< _8680_> shadowm.
20130328 07:20:57< shadowm> Yes.
20130328 07:21:01< vultraz> oh great gods of light...I can see why no one came up with a time system for wesnoth before 
20130328 07:21:52< vultraz> _8680_: ok then, how long are Irdyan years and months
20130328 07:21:58< _8680_> How would I know?
20130328 07:22:07< vultraz> shadowm?
20130328 07:22:41< shadowm> vultraz: NO EFFING IDEA.
20130328 07:22:50< vultraz> FUuU
20130328 07:23:10< shadowm> I only know that an Irdyan human's lifecycle follows roughly the same timing regulations as an RL Earth human.
20130328 07:23:20< shadowm> You are looking too much into things.
20130328 07:23:29< shadowm> Keep it simple, dumbass.
20130328 07:23:56< vultraz> So this is why the whole, "how does irdya orbit two suns" question lead to a shitstorm
20130328 07:24:44< shadowm> DON'T BRING IT UP HERE.
20130328 07:24:48< shadowm> SERIOUSLY DON'T.
20130328 07:24:55< _8680_> "1075 YW, as the first evening of autumn falls over the royal palace at Weldyn."
20130328 07:24:59< shadowm> OR I WILL BE THE ONE TO RAIN SHIT ON YOUR PARADE.
20130328 07:25:03< shadowm> :|
20130328 07:25:13< vultraz> OKOKOK
20130328 07:25:18< vultraz> jeez
20130328 07:25:20< _8680_> (I'm assuming Wesnoth is in Irdya's northern hemisphere.)
20130328 07:25:45< vultraz> _8680_: ok, for simplicity, I'm gonna assume Irdya;s time is like earth's
20130328 07:25:50< _8680_> (Though that's still not exactly Sep 15.)
20130328 07:25:59< vultraz> 365 days to a year, 12 months, each with around 30 days
20130328 07:26:18< vultraz> 1 day is 24 hours, etc
20130328 07:26:35< _8680_> I am uncomfortable with this.
20130328 07:26:53< vultraz> well, we already have a 24 hour TOD schedule
20130328 07:27:12< vultraz> so that part is ok..
20130328 07:27:14< _8680_> So that much can be used, at least.
20130328 07:27:38< shadowm> For all I care Irdya and Ethea can have the same exact fucking orbit around two distinct yet similar suns, really.
20130328 07:27:52< shadowm> I hate it when people overanalyze things. Didn't we discuss this last night in your channel?
20130328 07:27:57< shadowm> No, two nights ago was it?
20130328 07:28:13< vultraz> oh god
20130328 07:28:23< vultraz> zero's virus has gotten to me...
20130328 07:31:32< _8680_> Why do you need an exact date?
20130328 07:32:28< vultraz> maybe I've been watching too many Alpha Protocol playthroughs... :S
20130328 07:32:39< vultraz> (espionage rpg game)
20130328 07:32:56< shadowm> :|
20130328 07:33:34< vultraz> I don't know why I need a gate
20130328 07:33:36< vultraz> er
20130328 07:33:38< vultraz> date
20130328 07:33:47< vultraz> I just thought it would sound good
20130328 07:35:48< _8680_> Well, saying "2013 AD, as the first evening of autumn falls over the White House in Washington, DC" (or whichever White House you're talking about) in what I assume is some kind of spy thriller would sound odd.
20130328 07:36:26< vultraz> yah it would
20130328 07:36:32< vultraz> but it wouldn't in Wesnoth...
20130328 07:36:34< vultraz> :S
20130328 07:37:38< _8680_> And I think (ignoring the problem of month names) saying "September 15th, 1075, the royal palace at Weldyn" in Wesnoth would also sound odd.
20130328 07:38:09< vultraz> ok, how about this:
20130328 07:38:19< _8680_> *"19:32, September 15th, 1075, the royal palace at Weldyn"
20130328 07:39:46< vultraz> "Council Banquet, Royal Palace of Weldyn, 1075 YW"
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20130328 16:12:18< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r17939 /trunk/NX-RPG/macros/character_defines.cfg: 
20130328 16:12:18< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: removed some characters I'm not gonna use
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20130328 16:50:08< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r17940 /trunk/NX-RPG/_main.cfg: 
20130328 16:50:09< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: bumped required wesnoth version to 1.11.2
20130328 16:59:10< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r17941 /trunk/NX-RPG/lua/gui/dialogs/inv.lua: 
20130328 16:59:11< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: corrected borders
20130328 17:00:36< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r17942 /trunk/NX-RPG/lua/gui/dialogs/inv.lua: 
20130328 17:00:37< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: removed two unused linked groups
20130328 17:13:31< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r17943 /trunk/NX-RPG/lua/gui/dialogs/inv.lua: 
20130328 17:13:31< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: removed tooltips from buttons, since their names alone are self-explanatory
20130328 17:20:14< irker268> AI-Demos: mattsc master * rc5221eb / scenarios/test.cfg : Test scenario: add loop for putting more enemy units on the map - http://git.io/NP1yJg
20130328 17:20:15< irker268> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r0d4be14 / lua/battle_calcs.lua : battle_calcs: new function get_attack_combos_subset() - http://git.io/8OKPow
20130328 17:20:16< irker268> Find a subset of all possible combinations of attacks by several units
20130328 17:20:16< irker268> on an enemy, while having a reasonable chance of the best combination
20130328 17:20:17< irker268> (or something close to it) being included.  Includes several optional
20130328 17:20:17< irker268> configuration parameters.
20130328 17:21:36< mattsc> skyfaller, Alarantalara: there ^ is the core of what I hope will get us to use counter attack evaluations in many more situations than we do so far.
20130328 17:22:37< mattsc> Almost 300 new lines of code for you to check out.  :P  (sorry, it didn't really make sense to commit this in stages; it's just one recursive function plus the wrapper code)
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20130328 17:23:39< mattsc> This is inspired by the way how the RCA AI C++ code selects its attack combinations, but with some significant deviations.
20130328 17:25:15< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r17944 /trunk/NX-RPG/lua/gui/item_pickup.lua: 
20130328 17:25:16< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: forgot a closing tag in the documentation comments
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20130328 18:33:39< irker268> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: imported some side utils from AtS
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