--- Log opened Thu Apr 04 00:00:33 2013
20130404 00:02:27< AI0867> ah, being petrified does prevent backstab
20130404 00:02:37< bumbadadabum> but not ambush
20130404 00:02:48< bumbadadabum> well
20130404 00:02:51< bumbadadabum> it does prevent it
20130404 00:03:36< bumbadadabum> AI0867: would it be hard to code a fake_unit attrib to a unit
20130404 00:03:37< bumbadadabum> so it doesn't detect ambush or display health bars or anything?
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20130404 00:06:36< bumbadadabum> Alarantalara: could you help me with compiling wesnoth?
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20130404 00:07:02< Alarantalara> probably
20130404 00:09:02< bumbadadabum> Alarantalara: /Users/bumbadadabum/Desktop/wesnoth/projectfiles/Xcode/../../src/../src/text.cpp:84:0 /Users/bumbadadabum/Desktop/wesnoth/projectfiles/Xcode/../../src/../src/text.cpp:84: error: 'pango_font_map_create_context' was not declared in this scope
20130404 00:09:11< bumbadadabum> I'm getting this error when I try to compile wesnoth
20130404 00:10:01< Alarantalara> Yes, at some point I need to update the pango library included with Xcode build package. So far I have been too lazy.
20130404 00:10:48< bumbadadabum> Alarantalara: Could I get a working library?
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20130404 00:11:27< Alarantalara> I haven't built one yet.
20130404 00:11:39< bumbadadabum> So I can't get it to work?
20130404 00:11:57< AI0867> I posted a possibly better idea in the thread: making [petrified] work the same for [hides] as for [backstab]
20130404 00:12:28< Alarantalara> You can build with scons, or update the library yourself, or change that one line to what it was earlier.
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20130404 00:12:44< bumbadadabum> Alarantalara: How do I update the library?
20130404 00:14:31< Alarantalara> with great difficulty
20130404 00:14:36< bumbadadabum> :[
20130404 00:15:06< Alarantalara> There is no binary copy, so you have to find the source for it and all its dependencies, build them, and do so in a form that Xcode recognizes
20130404 00:15:31< mattsc> bumbadadabum: by contrast, the third option Alarantalara mentions is very simple.
20130404 00:15:39< bumbadadabum> but you don't have anything built you can just send me?
20130404 00:15:58< bumbadadabum> mattsc: I have no idea what it was earlier :p
20130404 00:16:10< bumbadadabum> or how to change everything
20130404 00:16:37< mattsc> bumbadadabum: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/src/text.cpp?r1=55983&r2=56325
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20130404 00:16:56< mattsc> You just need the line 85 change.
20130404 00:17:13< bumbadadabum> ok
20130404 00:17:15< bumbadadabum> thanks
20130404 00:17:26< mattsc> I tried for a couple hours to upgrade the pango library on my computer, but I'm too stupid for that.
20130404 00:17:51< bumbadadabum> I'll do this for now
20130404 00:19:24< bumbadadabum> Building...
20130404 00:19:27< bumbadadabum> Let's hope it works now
20130404 00:21:36< bumbadadabum> Wow
20130404 00:21:38< bumbadadabum> this
20130404 00:21:53< bumbadadabum> I might need to change some more pango-related stuff
20130404 00:23:06< mattsc> I didn't need to, but I haven't compiled in a couple weeks.
20130404 00:23:40< bumbadadabum> mattsc: On what OS are you?
20130404 00:24:17< mattsc> OS 10.6.8
20130404 00:24:23< bumbadadabum> ok
20130404 00:24:27< bumbadadabum> so the same as me
20130404 00:24:45< mattsc> I've been meaning to upgrade, but always seem to busy with other things.
20130404 00:25:00< mattsc> s/to/too
20130404 00:25:28< bumbadadabum> my laptop is too old for Lion :p
20130404 00:26:50< bumbadadabum> mattsc: Does MacPorts have pango?
20130404 00:27:00< Alarantalara> it does
20130404 00:27:18< mattsc> yes - but copying that into the Wesnoth Xcode folder did not work for me.
20130404 00:27:18< Alarantalara> which is why you can build with scons
20130404 00:27:54< bumbadadabum> ok
20130404 00:28:02< mattsc> I don't know if that doesn't work on general principle or because I did not know what I was doing.
20130404 00:28:10< mattsc> I do know that the latter definitely is true though.  :)
20130404 00:28:17< bumbadadabum> for me as well
20130404 00:28:23< bumbadadabum> that's why I'm not even going to try
20130404 00:28:39< bumbadadabum> I can understand
20130404 00:28:49< bumbadadabum> "open Xcode, press build"
20130404 00:29:30< fabi> Ivanovic: Please read the logs and watch the progress I made on ldap/redstone/phpbb/mediawiki.
20130404 00:30:52< bumbadadabum> Alarantalara: I can just ignore the warning, right?
20130404 00:31:02< bumbadadabum> *warnings
20130404 00:31:03< irker293> Alarantalara wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-108-g1a3aefd / projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Remove deleted files from Xcode project.
20130404 00:31:13< Alarantalara> That might help you as well
20130404 00:32:07< bumbadadabum> I'll try pulling again if this attempt fails
20130404 00:36:29< fabi> Alarantalara: I was in that file but it seemed to be generated. I wonder if it is okay to leave the build process broken every time I mangle with files.
20130404 00:37:11< Alarantalara> Xcode isn't very amenable to external addition of files.
20130404 00:38:29< Alarantalara> At the moment it's not a big problem because only about 3 people actually build from it (myself, mattsc, and now bumbadadabum)
20130404 00:38:51< fabi> Alarantalara: Xcode is a tool like eclipse? A IDE?
20130404 00:39:01< Alarantalara> yes
20130404 00:39:44< fabi> Alarantalara: Do you know Eclipse?
20130404 00:39:57< Alarantalara> I do, though I usually only use it for Java
20130404 00:40:35< fabi> Yeah, the c++ part is not that brilliant. Switching to Xcode might be a good alternative especially since it is maintained.
20130404 00:40:53< Alarantalara> Xcode is OS X only, and Apple likes it that way
20130404 00:41:01< fabi> oh
20130404 00:41:21< fabi> Maybe I confused it with codeblocks.
20130404 00:41:49< Alarantalara> It has good tools though: http://fabiensanglard.net/doom3/profiling.php
20130404 00:42:16< bumbadadabum> Apple likes their Mac exclusives
20130404 00:50:53< bumbadadabum> Alarantalara: Command /Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 failed with exit code 1
20130404 00:50:55< bumbadadabum> welp
20130404 00:51:21< _8680_> Why 4.0?
20130404 00:52:03< _8680_> Last time I used a Mac (same version as yours), the GCC that came with XCode was 4.2.
20130404 00:52:18< bumbadadabum> _8680_: What was the OS version?
20130404 00:52:28< bumbadadabum> nvm I can't read
20130404 00:52:51< _8680_> And you can get the latest with MacPorts.
20130404 00:52:55< Alarantalara> _8680_: 4.0 is the last version that allows building for 10.4
20130404 00:53:03< _8680_> Ah okay.
20130404 00:54:05< Alarantalara> Wesnoth has so little dependence on system features that there hasn't been any real need to drop support for old systems yet
20130404 00:55:31< fabi> wesbot: seen mordante?
20130404 00:55:31< wesbot> fabi: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 1d 2h ago.  1d 2h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: Quit: Leaving
20130404 00:56:02< bumbadadabum> fabi: He usually gets on during the late afternoon
20130404 00:56:40< fabi> bumbadadabum: Yes I know, thank you.
20130404 00:56:48< fabi> I should rename me.
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20130404 00:58:12< fendrin> hi shadowm
20130404 00:58:43< shadowm> Hi there.
20130404 01:00:05< fendrin> shadowm: Did you follow the irc logs? AI0867 and myself did some research on the ldap issue.
20130404 01:00:48< shadowm> fendrin: No, I didn't. I assigned that task to Gambit since he understands that business better than I do.
20130404 01:00:52< shadowm> I'm also playing a game atm.
20130404 01:01:02< fendrin> shadowm: Have fun and good luck :-)
20130404 01:01:31< fendrin> shadowm: May the random number generator be with you.
20130404 01:01:42< bumbadadabum> *god
20130404 01:02:17< fendrin> Gambit: ^
20130404 01:02:40< shadowm> fendrin: No, it's not in my favor today.
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20130404 01:02:48< shadowm> It got me a mirror match to begin with.
20130404 01:03:35< Gambit> shadowm: the ldap server takes care of hashing
20130404 01:05:45< shadowm> Gambit: I'm a clueless troglodyte,.
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20130404 01:05:50< shadowm> All I want to know is two things:
20130404 01:05:54< shadowm> 1) Secure or insecure?
20130404 01:06:04< shadowm> 2) Conversion and impact on the registration system.
20130404 01:06:11< AI0867> 1) secure
20130404 01:06:15< AI0867> (salted sha1)
20130404 01:06:16< fendrin> shadowm: AI0867 claimed it to be more secure than the current phpbb
20130404 01:06:20< fendrin> oh
20130404 01:06:28< fendrin> And he is faster than me.
20130404 01:06:39< shadowm> I had seen a post in phpbb.com that suggested that (2) was not precisely aligned with my interests.
20130404 01:06:50< AI0867> 2) auth_ldap falls back to phpbb's own system
20130404 01:07:15< AI0867> so the main issue is how to get existing accounts to link to ldap
20130404 01:07:41< AI0867> and yes, there's the registration thing
20130404 01:08:19< AI0867> it can be done from redmine (or a random script), but having phpbb do it is preferable (though it will take new code)
20130404 01:09:04< fendrin> Mediawiki supports ldap user management as well. 
20130404 01:09:19< shadowm> I want the forums to take care of registration for everything just as it does already for wesnothd.
20130404 01:09:31< shadowm> This is non-negotiable <insert more egocentric stuff here>.
20130404 01:10:00< AI0867> this will require expanding the ldap module
20130404 01:10:16< AI0867> estimating how much effort this will take would require me to actually look at the code
20130404 01:10:59< irker293> Alexander van Gessel wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-109-gcfb64ea / changelog src/unit.cpp: Don't let petrified units reveal ambushers
20130404 01:13:28< fendrin> AI0867: We assume that both applications, the ldap server and the forum run on the same machine.
20130404 01:13:39< AI0867> of course
20130404 01:14:14< fendrin> We could just call a script (maybe the one I already use) from the forum.
20130404 01:14:53< AI0867> that's probably the easiest way
20130404 01:15:00< AI0867> but I'd like to do it through the proper channel
20130404 01:15:21< fendrin> No.
20130404 01:15:37< fendrin> I like the ldap server to be read only from local applications.
20130404 01:15:51< AI0867> hm
20130404 01:15:58< fendrin> Maybe
20130404 01:16:09< fendrin> It is just a feeling of some more security.
20130404 01:16:43< fendrin> AI0867: What would be the proper channel?
20130404 01:16:54< AI0867> ldap =P
20130404 01:18:28< fendrin> You mean the usage of a library that is dedicated to code ldap clients.
20130404 01:18:33< fendrin> In php.
20130404 01:19:03< fendrin> Preferably the same the auth plugin already uses.
20130404 01:32:03< fendrin> Gambit: Is there a user management interface I can write a plugin against for user creation in phpbb?
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20130404 01:34:56< Gambit> You'd want to modify the registration page to also create an LDAP account I'd imagine
20130404 01:35:04< AI0867> fendrin: did you use vanilla phpbb or shadowm's 'fork'
20130404 01:35:07< AI0867> ?
20130404 01:35:20< fendrin> I used apt-get install phpbb.
20130404 01:35:39< fendrin> On Ubuntu 12.10
20130404 01:36:15< fendrin> Gambit: Indeed.
20130404 01:36:31< Gambit> which can be done silently without changing its interface
20130404 01:36:41< AI0867> see https://github.com/shikadilord/weldyn
20130404 01:36:52< Gambit> but really I don't see the point of getting more software involved here
20130404 01:36:59< fendrin> Gambit: I used "interface" as in API.
20130404 01:37:32< shadowm> 20:36:39 <AI0867> see https://github.com/shikadilord/weldyn
20130404 01:37:34< Gambit> fendrin: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.ldap.php
20130404 01:37:50< AI0867> if everything already mostly works, then making new stuff work with the "one true account" is a matter of plugging it into ldap, rather than writing a phpbb user handler
20130404 01:37:55< shadowm> The installation scripts are not included in my tree and they need to be obtained separately following the commit history.
20130404 01:39:02< fendrin> Gambit: You pointed me to the API of a php library. That is fine, thanks. But I asked about a plugin interface.
20130404 01:39:17< Gambit> I don't understand the question.
20130404 01:39:27< Gambit> You mean creating phpbb mods?
20130404 01:39:36< Gambit> I don't know anything about that.
20130404 01:40:28< fendrin> Well, from shadowm's point of view it would be much better to stay close to upstream and a plugin is the best way to do so.
20130404 01:40:39< shadowm> phpBB plugins do not exist.
20130404 01:41:05< Gambit> wasn't there some "modx" thing or something?
20130404 01:41:20< shadowm> modx is phpBB.com-speak for a fancy diff in styled XML format.
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20130404 01:41:48< shadowm> It also happens to be usable with automod that way, but I do not use automod.
20130404 01:41:58< AI0867> phpbb: we don't do plugins, just patch our code instead
20130404 01:42:03< shadowm> I tried using automod with Git once and it was a confusing mess.
20130404 01:42:38< shadowm> There's some limited support for hooks in phpBB 3.0.x, but it's very limited.
20130404 01:43:09< shadowm> Supposedly phpBB 3.1.x will deliver rainbows and unicorns in that regard.
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20130404 01:45:25< fendrin> shadowm: Yeah, the hook system is too limited for the purpose.
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20130404 02:04:03< shadowm> I'm going to install redmine on nanacore myself and see if I can get it to use the phpBB users database.
20130404 02:04:07< shadowm> Without LDAP.
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20130404 02:28:23< fendrin> shadowm: And mediawiki?
20130404 02:32:16< shadowm> I don't want to have anything to do with MW.
20130404 02:35:06< fendrin> *sigh*
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20130404 06:27:22< mattsc> zookeeper: I finally got around to testing the Liberty - The Raid AI in mainline (as opposed to inside the AI-demos add-on)
20130404 06:27:30< mattsc> Here's the diff: http://pastebin.com/x7vk0e9p
20130404 06:27:58< mattsc> If you want the default Messenger Escort Micro AI, it's a simple as that.
20130404 06:28:32< mattsc> I can commit that, but I'd first like to know whether you like that behavior or would like me to tweak it one way or another.
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20130404 08:23:45< Ivanovic> fendrin: can you maybe send a short mail about looking into ldap as "single login service"?
20130404 08:24:03< Ivanovic> just to make sure that noone (including me) misses crucial information
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20130404 10:28:44< fendrin> Ivanovic: yes, I can!
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20130404 11:31:44< shadowm> Ivanovic: http://sourceforge.net/blog/potm-vote-201305/  Notice anyone familiar there?
20130404 11:33:17< shadowm> Anyway, later.
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20130404 13:00:53< fendrin> Soliton: Hi, I like to ask for a VM on Baldras.
20130404 13:01:42< fendrin> AI0867 asked me to install a test system of a single login service solution there.
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20130404 15:08:02< AI0867> here's the issue with subnamespaces in persistent variables: the subnodes keep references to the child configs of the parent's config, and the parent occasionally has its config clobbered by a re-read of the persist files
20130404 15:08:23< AI0867> at which point the subnodes have references to config nodes that no longer exist
20130404 15:08:27< AI0867> shadowm: ^
20130404 15:09:31< AI0867> Upthorn: ^
20130404 15:10:04< Upth> That makes sense for the behavior I was seeing...
20130404 15:10:35< Upth> so what I need to do is refresh the child nodes whenever the parent changes.
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20130404 15:13:11< Upth> I'll look at that in a bit. As long and difficult as it was to track down, seems like it should be pretty simple to fix 
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20130404 16:17:32< vultraz> fendrin: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/95558676/group_all_mockup.png
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20130404 16:30:24< LordBob> Hello guys
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20130404 16:30:39< Guest4503> Damnit
20130404 16:30:48< Guest4503> What's with the registered nickname ôo
20130404 16:31:14< Guest4503> (/me is IRC noob)
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20130404 16:32:37< LordBob-desk> There, better
20130404 16:32:42< fendrin> hi LordBob-desk
20130404 16:32:50< vultraz> hey LordBob-desk 
20130404 16:33:05< LordBob-desk> Nono, just "Lordbob" will do :p
20130404 16:33:24< fendrin>  <vultraz> fendrin: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/95558676/group_all_mockup.png
20130404 16:33:48< zookeeper> 'lo bob
20130404 16:34:19< LordBob-desk> Hi zzzoo
20130404 16:34:33< LordBob-desk> Sooo, this set of buttons
20130404 16:35:09< vultraz> I think we should make 24x24 the standard, except for the brush buttons, which need to be 30x030 to fit everything
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20130404 16:35:28< LordBob-desk> Having a standard sounds reasonable
20130404 16:35:35< fendrin> 25x25 matches the size of right_arrow-button
20130404 16:36:05< LordBob-desk> ...But having no less than three sounds questionable :p
20130404 16:36:19< vultraz> huh
20130404 16:36:37< vultraz> well, I dunno then
20130404 16:36:48< vultraz> I suppose LordBob could provide a 25x25 version
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20130404 16:37:18< LordBob-desk> Since the 24*24 is done already, I'll just do the 25 and 30 as well and drop all three sets on the forums
20130404 16:37:56< fendrin> Wait
20130404 16:37:57< vultraz> Alright. Can you zip them up as individual images?
20130404 16:38:00< LordBob-desk> I'll then let you decide which one(s) fit best our needs
20130404 16:38:15< fendrin> I think we should go for 25 for everything but the brushes.
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20130404 16:38:46< vultraz> fendrin: I agree, TBH
20130404 16:38:53< LordBob-desk> I'll do that, of course
20130404 16:39:08< fendrin> 25 is already a class of gui element size we have in Wesnoth while 24 is awkward.
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20130404 16:39:48< LordBob-desk> Adding a single pixel should be easy enough. I'll be right back
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20130404 16:42:10< fendrin> LordBob-desk: And we have a use for the extra pixel because the old tool items have a smaller border.
20130404 16:42:34< fendrin> Thus the icons might not fit in a button that has the same size but a bigger border.
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20130404 16:42:49< LordBob-desk> Then it's settled. Perfect
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20130404 16:43:37< vultraz> I can generate group buttons pretty quickly, just extract the icon from a current one, and c/p over the entire set :)
20130404 16:43:45< vultraz> s/set/new set
20130404 16:44:06< vultraz> hey artisticdude 
20130404 16:44:19< artisticdude> Hi
20130404 16:47:48< fendrin> LordBob-desk: Note that your fullset is missing the at least one image.
20130404 16:48:07< fendrin> LordBob-desk: The disabled pressed is missing.
20130404 16:49:41< LordBob-desk> Noted. I'll include the full set this time
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20130404 16:52:51< vultraz> I'm working on extracting the group icons 
20130404 16:56:35< vultraz> zookeeper: no one happens to have versions of the group button icons before they were stuck on the buttons lying around, do they?
20130404 16:57:02< fendrin> vultraz: Maybe in the resources part of our repository=
20130404 16:57:03< fendrin> ?
20130404 16:57:35< vultraz> er, where's that now? I have no idea where everything is now that we;re on git 
20130404 16:57:47< fendrin> esr: ^
20130404 16:59:44< fendrin> AI0867 might know as well.
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20130404 17:06:59< fendrin> vultraz: The svn repository is still online, isn't it?
20130404 17:07:20< vultraz> afaik
20130404 17:07:56< LordBob-desk> And done. 
20130404 17:08:51< LordBob-desk> I've posted a full set with 9 variants altogether, including the required "disabled-pressed" and an extra "highlighted" / "highlighted-pressed"
20130404 17:09:38< LordBob-desk> Vultraz, you can go ahead and take care of adding the icons, unless you'd like that I specifically work on some of them.
20130404 17:09:55< LordBob-desk> In the meantime, i'll work on a blank 30*30 set
20130404 17:10:15< lipkab> vultraz, fendrin: It's in the aptly named "resources" folder in your local repo.
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20130404 17:10:47< lipkab> ...or in the same place on the SF repo.
20130404 17:11:01< vultraz> Well, the reason I'm asking if anyone has the images before they were added to the icons is that if you erase the bg, the icon still has some dark pixels around the edges that clashes with the new button bgs
20130404 17:11:33< vultraz> But no...can't find them in resources/
20130404 17:12:13< lipkab> The thing with git is that you can restore that previous state easily.
20130404 17:12:25< lipkab> What's the file we're talking about?
20130404 17:12:56< vultraz> any of the editor group images, before they were stuck on the buttons
20130404 17:13:21< lipkab> So, which file?
20130404 17:14:36< fendrin> lipkab: Most likely this file never was under version controll.
20130404 17:15:05< lipkab> Then it couldn't be in the SVN repo...
20130404 17:15:25< fendrin> Yes.
20130404 17:15:54< vultraz> LordBob-desk, fendrin: this is the problem with rendering the icons from the buttons: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/95558676/bridge_render.png
20130404 17:15:57< AI0867> vultraz: I think he threw the resources into the master branch
20130404 17:16:00< AI0867> as a directory
20130404 17:16:26< vultraz> and replacing them with lighter pixels makes the thing look ugly and unshaded
20130404 17:16:37< fendrin> LordBob-desk: If you work with layered source files then it makes sense to commit them to that resources folder.
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20130404 17:17:02< vultraz> The dark pixels aren't a problem for the default button, since they blend perfectly with the bg
20130404 17:17:21< vultraz> However, for the ones with a lighter bg, it's quite noticeable and ugly
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20130404 17:19:21< vultraz> I'm really not sure the best solution in this case
20130404 17:19:28< LordBob-desk> I'll rasterize layers and post the source files. Where exactly did you say I should drop them ?
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20130404 17:20:42< LordBob-desk> vultraz, the best option would be to create a new icon based on the extract, but with transparency so that it blends nicely.
20130404 17:21:05< LordBob-desk> That, or hand-tuning each button, which sounds like a hassle
20130404 17:22:12< fendrin> LordBob-desk: Drop them in the forum if you do not have commit access or a git checkout around.
20130404 17:23:02< LordBob-desk> I'll do that. after all this time, I still don't even know how you guys actually commit artwork ^^;;;
20130404 17:23:37< LordBob-desk> (or maybe it's about time I learned, but either way I dont think I'd have the required access)
20130404 17:24:12< vultraz> I have commit access, but not a git clone
20130404 17:24:54< vultraz> LordBob-desk: yes, it would be a hassle to tweak each one by itself 
20130404 17:25:31< vultraz> which is why I'm wondering if there's a quick way to make it blend
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20130404 17:28:00< LordBob-desk> Vultraz: I'll give it a try using the bridge extract you linked earlier
20130404 17:28:12< vultraz> Ok
20130404 17:28:18< LordBob-desk> And btw, the 30 set is done as well
20130404 17:28:59< vultraz> Alright, I'll make new images for the buttons using that
20130404 17:29:03< vultraz> brush buttons*
20130404 17:33:34< fendrin> LordBob-desk: You are really fast.
20130404 17:34:03< vultraz> Oh, you haven't posted the 30x30 set
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20130404 17:35:51< LordBob-desk> D'oh. Forgot to hit the "submit" button. It should be there now
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20130404 17:37:36< LordBob-desk> fendrin: it's because I'm applying different layer styles on a single standard set of  border+core. So, it's mostly a matter of copy & paste
20130404 17:38:15< fendrin> I see.
20130404 17:38:38< vultraz> fendrin: out of the 9 variations LordBob has gives us, which ones are needed for the brush buttons?
20130404 17:39:48< fendrin> vultraz: Does it matter? I mean you do that with a script, right?
20130404 17:40:09< vultraz> Script? No...I don't have a script...
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20130404 17:40:51< vultraz> It's all c/p
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20130404 17:41:35< Soliton> fendrin: give me an ssh key.
20130404 17:41:47< vultraz> I'm just wondering, since I'd like to give the brush buttons a LordBob background, instead of one of mine, for consistency 
20130404 17:43:15< vultraz> And I'm not familiar with the new naming system
20130404 17:43:55< fendrin> vultraz: disabled-pressed, disabled, normal, touched, pressed-active, active
20130404 17:44:07< vultraz> mk
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20130404 17:44:56< LordBob-desk> Vultraz: I've given the dark edges a shot, but it's hopeless. I'm afraid the quickest way will be to design a new icon for each set of button, in which you avoid the "dark borders" effect and instead use only local colour and then play on transparency
20130404 17:45:44< LordBob-desk> This way you can paste the new icon on each variant, which is still faster than editing individually every single button
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20130404 17:46:17< vultraz> So the current group icons are useless?
20130404 17:47:04< vultraz> fendrin: what about pressed?
20130404 17:47:05< LordBob-desk> Not completely. It's only the pixels near edges that need to be changed, after all
20130404 17:47:35< LordBob-desk> So maybe they're at least a good starting base
20130404 17:47:39< fendrin> vultraz: Yeah
20130404 17:48:21< vultraz> so only pressed-highlighted and highlighted aren't needed for the brush icons?
20130404 17:48:49< LordBob-desk> But then, pixel art is quicker to work than portraits, so there's a chance that working from scratch would be just as fast
20130404 17:49:26< vultraz> LordBob-desk: well, I'm not that good at pixel art..I'm not sure I could make them from scratch and make them look good
20130404 17:50:14< LordBob-desk> I can give it a try, but it'll have to wait a bit. I'm going back to portraits, for now
20130404 17:51:58< vultraz> ancient lunch?
20130404 17:52:03< vultraz> I mean lich?
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20130404 17:52:19< LordBob-desk> yes, that one
20130404 17:52:26< LordBob-desk> (must resist pun)
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20130404 17:57:37< vultraz> LordBob-desk: to be honest, I kinda prefer the second original sketch you posted, before we got into this extra arm stuff
20130404 17:58:36< vultraz> no matter how the extra arms end up, I'm always going to think of him like Doc-Oc from Spiderman 2 :P
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20130404 18:46:02< vultraz> fendrin: complete set of images for all brush buttons on all 30*30 image variations LordBob made: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xr1v5em5csfq70u/P9GcMSNTHf 
20130404 18:48:40< fendrin> vultraz: tx
20130404 19:03:23< vultraz> fendrin: do they work ok, or did I miss an image?
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20130404 19:14:04< fendrin> vultraz: They are fine.
20130404 19:14:18< vultraz> ok :)
20130404 19:15:33< fendrin> vultraz: LordBob-desk is right about the pressed brush not being very visible. I guess we take the highlighted one and/or make the hexgrid golden on the selected one.
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20130404 19:20:01< vultraz> fendrin: only on the selected variations?
20130404 19:21:27< fendrin> vultraz: All with pressed in their names.
20130404 19:21:49< fendrin> vultraz: Including the disabled ones.
20130404 19:22:00< vultraz> alright
20130404 19:22:29< vultraz> just the outline?
20130404 19:23:50< vultraz> or the the gray part?
20130404 19:24:00< fendrin> the outline
20130404 19:34:31< LordBob-desk> Vultraz, Fendrin: how about replacing the current brushes icon with something simpler ? The #3 in particular doesn't look easy to read.  I was thinking, maybe a single, larger hex outline, with the size in hexes (1,7,19) written in the middle, in a very bright tint (close to white).
20130404 19:35:10< vultraz> hm....
20130404 19:35:26< vultraz> that would mean I have to regenerate all the images again :S
20130404 19:35:38< vultraz> (I suppose it would go faster if I had a script...)
20130404 19:35:46< vultraz> (But I don't know how to make one)
20130404 19:35:49< bumbadadabum> LordBob-desk on IRC? 0_)
20130404 19:35:52< LordBob-desk> dammit :s
20130404 19:35:54< bumbadadabum> *0_0
20130404 19:36:23< vultraz> I can do it, if you guys want
20130404 19:36:25< LordBob-desk> Bumbadadabum: Heh, it does happen sometimes. Like, once a year :p
20130404 19:36:30< vultraz> it's just slightly annoying :P
20130404 19:36:39< bumbadadabum> apparently :p
20130404 19:37:18< LordBob-desk> Vultraz: wait for now ; I'll propose a sample, and if you guys think it's worth implementing, then you can do the whole set
20130404 19:37:44< vultraz> alright
20130404 19:37:57< vultraz> I'll wait on the gold borders, then, too
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20130404 19:40:31< vultraz> fendrin: just to clarify, all the toolkit and group buttons will be 25x25?
20130404 19:40:51< fendrin> yes
20130404 19:41:06< vultraz> ok
20130404 19:41:31< vultraz> I think we're going to run into the same problem with the toolkit buttons as the group buttons...
20130404 19:42:57< vultraz> I have the layers for the soundsource, item, and label buttons, since I drew the first two and I have the layer from jetrel for the third. The village one renders cleanly, and the unit one already exists as a transparent image in core
20130404 19:43:32< vultraz> However, there's the zoom, palette, starting loc, and undo/redo buttons that may not render cleanly
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20130404 20:14:20< LordBob-desk> Vultraz, fendrin: the sample is done: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wdw9pkpluik2sxt/qzHoAyMy2l
20130404 20:16:03< LordBob-desk> The colour can be changed to pretty much anything, of course, provided that it remains in strong contrast
20130404 20:18:12< fendrin> LordBob-desk: They are 25x25?
20130404 20:19:29< vultraz> I like :D
20130404 20:20:10< bumbadadabum> LordBob-desk: I don't really like the 1,7,19 icons
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20130404 20:20:27< bumbadadabum> but it might work better because size
20130404 20:22:41< vultraz> LordBob-desk: I think they're perfect
20130404 20:22:52< LordBob-desk> They're actually 30*30
20130404 20:23:09< LordBob-desk> but I don't think it'd change much in 25
20130404 20:23:35< vultraz> If fendrin likes them, can you zip them up and post them
20130404 20:23:38< vultraz> ?
20130404 20:23:58< fendrin> I am fine with them.
20130404 20:24:37< LordBob-desk> Of course. I'll resize them to make sure they fit on the 25 buttons and post only the white icons on a transparent background
20130404 20:24:55< LordBob-desk> This way you can tweak them as much as you like
20130404 20:25:03< fendrin> Still I liked the concept black grid size == deselected ; gold grid == selected
20130404 20:25:20< fendrin> s/size/
20130404 20:25:59< vultraz> fendrin: I can recolor these to be gold for selected
20130404 20:26:54< fendrin> vultraz: It does not make sense if you don't also recolor the rest black.
20130404 20:27:52< vultraz> How so?
20130404 20:28:14< fendrin> contrast?
20130404 20:29:06< vultraz> It would still be high contrast
20130404 20:29:58< fendrin> How so?
20130404 20:30:50< vultraz> There are yellows that would be visible on the blue bg
20130404 20:31:25< fendrin> Sure. But there is no contrast between yellow/gold and the current white.
20130404 20:32:05< fendrin> And that is the whole point of the gold thing.
20130404 20:32:24< vultraz> oh
20130404 20:32:42< vultraz> I meant recolor the entire overlay gold
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20130404 20:45:59< LordBob-desk> vultraz: I posted the brush tip icons on the forum; feel free to edit them at will. If you do the gold highlight for "pressed" states, I would indeed suggest darkening the icon for other states so that at any time there's still a high contrast between the selected brush and other buttons states.
20130404 20:48:00< vultraz> so like, lower the brightness by say, 10, on all buttons besides the pressed versions?
20130404 20:56:07< LordBob-desk> something like that, or recolor them with a shade of greyish brown so that they look like tarnished gold
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20130404 20:57:03< LordBob-desk> and, just to make sure, do not lower the darkness on the entire button, but just the icon layer
20130404 20:57:09< vultraz> ah ok
20130404 20:57:16< vultraz> was about to clarify that
20130404 20:58:00< vultraz> well, I'll get to work
20130404 20:58:35< LordBob-desk> Ok. Ask if there's anything
20130404 20:59:05< LordBob-desk> And when I have time, I can give a shot to the problematic icons for the tile group buttons
20130404 21:05:39< vultraz> fendrin: what size do I use now for the brush buttons? 25 or 30?
20130404 21:06:09< fendrin> 30
20130404 21:10:35< LordBob-desk> Vultraz: in this cas, wait
20130404 21:11:05< LordBob-desk> I'll post a larger set of icons: those I gave you were reduced for use on 25*25
20130404 21:11:15< LordBob-desk> The 30 ones read slightly better
20130404 21:11:34< vultraz> ok
20130404 21:15:57< LordBob-desk> I'm sorry, it was my mistake: after our earlier discussion, I had misunderstood that the brush buttons were 25*25
20130404 21:16:43< vultraz> it's no problem :)
20130404 21:17:31 * vultraz eats french chocolate while he waits
20130404 21:17:33< LordBob-desk> I'm relieved to hear that. I've updated the archive in the forum thread
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20130404 21:43:09< vultraz> fendrin, LordBob-desk: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xr1v5em5csfq70u/P9GcMSNTHf
20130404 21:43:47< vultraz> How's that?
20130404 21:46:26< LordBob-desk> It's clean, but functionally, I'm not sure if it will work very well. Have you tried placing the "pressed" button amidst a set of standard ones ?
20130404 21:46:39< LordBob-desk> I'm afraid it might not stand out enough
20130404 21:47:53< vultraz> I think it should, they seemed different enough in gimp
20130404 21:48:04< vultraz> But the final test is how it looks in the editor
20130404 21:48:20< LordBob-desk> Yup, that's what I'd like to have a look at
20130404 21:48:46< vultraz> Gotta wait for fendrin 
20130404 21:49:16< LordBob-desk> But you're right, there's a chance it'll do its job
20130404 21:49:36< LordBob-desk> It's just difficult to get a precise idea when all states are juxtapiosed like this
20130404 21:50:10< fendrin> LordBob-desk, vultraz: I will give you a screenshot in a minute.
20130404 21:57:09< fendrin> LordBob-desk, vultraz: http://imagebin.org/252815
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20130404 21:58:09< vultraz> pretty good :D
20130404 21:58:15< LordBob-desk> Agreed
20130404 22:00:16< LordBob-desk> One thing, though: when, if at all, would the "disabled-pressed" state be used ?
20130404 22:01:14< vultraz> fendrin: should the xcf I'm using to generate the brush buttons be committed to resources/ ?
20130404 22:01:32< fendrin> vultraz: Yes
20130404 22:01:33< LordBob-desk> Because this one is probably hell to differenciate from the normal-pressed
20130404 22:03:13< fendrin> http://imagebin.org/252816
20130404 22:03:31< fendrin> Here we have a disabled-pressed state.
20130404 22:04:24< LordBob-desk> oh, then forgot I said anything. When i first looked at Vultraz's set, it had seemed like its gold was the same colour as the normal state, but I see it's quite different now
20130404 22:04:30< LordBob-desk> *forget
20130404 22:06:11< vultraz> fendrin: here's the xcf: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j4dbuho4rcxamug/brush_buttons.xcf
20130404 22:06:57< fendrin> tx
20130404 22:06:58< LordBob-desk> Vultraz, Fendrin: while we're at it, do you think it would be of interest to make similar changes to the tools buttons (simpler icon, golden pressed state) ? Some of them might not read very well against the new standard button
20130404 22:07:01< vultraz> contains a complete 30*30 blank button set plus both gold and normal overlay overlays
20130404 22:08:44< fendrin> LordBob-desk: Yes, that is true, but we can't do so with village and unit, this icons are shared with the topbar.
20130404 22:09:44< vultraz> LordBob-desk: well, depends. Some of the icons are golden already when colored (not sure if fendrin just has them disabled or if he made them b&w)
20130404 22:09:57< vultraz> s/icons/tool button icons
20130404 22:10:31< fendrin> I just discovered that the code does not seem to use the disabled buttons but apply a grey function on normal buttons.
20130404 22:10:53< fendrin> I need to fix and recompile before I can provide a screenshot with them.
20130404 22:11:13< vultraz> ok
20130404 22:16:43< LordBob-desk> Fendrin: Do you mean they should remain alike in both top bar and side bar in order to avoid confusion, or is it because we do not have the possibility of using a different icon between both bars ?
20130404 22:17:24< fendrin> The former.
20130404 22:20:28< LordBob-desk> Oh well. in this case, better not change anything except those that specifically don't fit with the new background
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20130404 23:30:57< shadowm> AI0867: Don't highlight me, I don't understand more than 5% of the persistent WML variables impĺementation code.
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20130404 23:45:10< anonymissimus> shadowm: Can you imagine a reason why some svn repository could be "uncheckoutable" ? It fails with svn (timeout waiting for server) and git with several systems. If I try to checkout a "small enough" subdir of the same project, it works however. Another project from the same hoster work as well. I can also still "push" and local changes, but not pull anything from the remote repo. It looks...
20130404 23:45:12< anonymissimus> ...as if it's trying to squeeze some too large data block through a too tiny wire or the like.
20130404 23:46:30< anonymissimus> However, other people didn't report problems, so I suspect that it must have something to do with my internet connection.
20130404 23:46:43< shadowm> anonymissimus: Probably the subversion server being too impatient.
20130404 23:47:04< shadowm> What you can do is to start with a non-recursive checkout (-N switch), and svn up children objects from there.
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20130404 23:49:29< anonymissimus> But my connection isn't that slow, and there seems to be little network traffic. I times out after one hour apparently. Is there some configuration in a file I can set ?
20130404 23:50:00< anonymissimus> Little traffic while it's trying to checkout, it just keeps "waiting for the server".
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20130404 23:57:18< shadowm> I don't know about that. If it's using SSH then, yes, you could configure your SSH client to only retry connections once or something.
20130404 23:57:30< shadowm> For SVN's native transports, I have no idea.
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