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20130406 04:05:48< shadowm> nurupo: Re patch #3834, have you submitted other patches before?
20130406 04:08:00< nurupo> shadowm: the one right below it
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20130406 04:08:40< nurupo> shadowm: https://gna.org/patch/?3822
20130406 04:08:43< shadowm> Okay, your credits entry is missing your username, should I fix it?
20130406 04:08:58< nurupo> is it a must? :)
20130406 04:09:34< shadowm> We generally include our usernames in our credits entrie.
20130406 04:09:37< shadowm> *entries.
20130406 04:09:47< nurupo> okay, you can add my username too :)
20130406 04:11:44< shadowm> Also, for future patches make sure to not include lines with trailing whitespace/tabs.
20130406 04:11:56< shadowm> e.g. line 53 in the diff.
20130406 04:12:22< nurupo> okay, didn't notice
20130406 04:14:49< shadowm> esr: What's the situation with the repository fixes?
20130406 04:17:31< shadowm> nurupo: Hm, okay, the checkbox doesn't ever stop being grayed out for me.
20130406 04:18:14< nurupo> shadowm: it should become enabled for save-files with 0 turns
20130406 04:18:23< shadowm> Start-of-scenario saves, yes, I've got a lot of those.
20130406 04:19:13< nurupo> hm. i tested it by making it enabled for save-files with only 1 turn and it worked
20130406 04:19:46< nurupo> maybe the decide_on_difficulty_option() fails before it gets to the enable/disable part
20130406 04:20:13< shadowm> Okay, just to check whether we are on the same page, you know the difference between a start-of-scenario save and a turn 1 autosave, yes?
20130406 04:22:47< nurupo> all i know is that start-of-scenario save files have 0 as their current turn, which should be enough for this case
20130406 04:22:59< shadowm> But did you test your code against them?
20130406 04:23:37< nurupo> i don't have any of these
20130406 04:23:37< shadowm> I provided you with a simple method to create some, I believe.
20130406 04:24:01< shadowm> Start a campaign, use :debug :n to skip the first scenario, and then you get a start-of-scenario save for the second scenario of the campaign.
20130406 04:25:01< nurupo> are ":debug :n" command line arguments?
20130406 04:25:12< shadowm> No, see http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CommandMode
20130406 04:26:09< shadowm> In any case, I found what the problem with the patch is; start-of-scenario saves on 1.11.x do not have a turn attribute in their summary.
20130406 04:26:47< shadowm> So it's not that they are at turn 0/n, the "turn" attribute simply doesn't exist and would yield the empty string if you queried it.
20130406 04:27:35< shadowm> So save_preview_pane::decide_on_difficulty_option() is bailing out on that condition.
20130406 04:27:36< shadowm> Now, there are two kind of saves that may have a missing/empty turn attribute: start-of-scenario saves, and replay saves.
20130406 04:27:43< nurupo> but it's also false to assume that all save-files with no "turn" attribute are start-of-scenario saves, righT?
20130406 04:27:55< shadowm> The latter have a boolean replay=yes attribute.
20130406 04:27:56< nurupo> i see
20130406 04:29:06< shadowm> Those are really the only two valid situations in which a turn-less save could be produced by normal means.
20130406 04:29:15< nurupo> also, it's very unlikely, but i was wondering if there is a documentation somewhere, besides in-code comments
20130406 04:29:55< shadowm> Well, in-code Doxygen comments are periodically compiled into http://devdocs.wesnoth.org/ .
20130406 04:30:12< shadowm> In case that's too dense, the best option is asking in here (or in the mailing list as a last resort).
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20130406 04:33:10< irker502> Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-115-g210b293 / data/core/about.cfg: Update credits entry to include the username
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20130406 04:52:42< nurupo> shadowm: is my changelog comment fine?
20130406 04:53:41< shadowm> Hm, no, I didn't look at it.
20130406 04:54:32< shadowm> It's okay, I guess.
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20130406 05:00:52< nurupo> now i have checked it with the start-of-scenario save-file
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20130406 05:15:09< irker502> Alarantalara wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-117-g8afb36f / : Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.code.sf.net/p/wesnoth/code
20130406 05:15:12< irker502> Alarantalara wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-111-g27c984c / data/campaigns/Dead_Water/maps/Home_1.map data/campaigns/Dead_Water/maps/Home_2.map data/campaigns/Dead_Water/maps/Talking_To_Tyegea.map data/campaigns/Dead_Water/maps/Uncharted_Islands.map data/campaigns/Dead_Water/maps/Wolf_Coast.map data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/maps/17d_Cursed_Isle.map data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/maps/09_Blood_is_Thicker_Than_Water.map data/campaigns/Under_
20130406 05:16:06< Alarantalara> Well that was a useless irker message.
20130406 05:17:23< nurupo> seems like irker502 can't into irc message-length limits
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20130406 05:29:12< shadowm> nurupo: Okay, looks good to me.
20130406 05:30:35< nurupo> shadowm: how can i modify my message or add a new one on the gna?
20130406 05:31:05< shadowm> Click on the "Post a comment" bar to display the message submission box. You cannot edit previous messages.
20130406 05:36:10< irker502> Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-118-geb71c10 / players_changelog: Fix players changelog formatting
20130406 05:36:11< irker502> Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master * 1.11.2-119-g7c9fa8b / changelog players_changelog src/dialogs.cpp: Disable difficulty option in Load Game when not applicable (patch #3834)
20130406 05:42:26< nurupo> shadowm: any idea why mordante didn't comment that the patch was commited? https://gna.org/patch/index.php?3822
20130406 05:44:39< shadowm> Well, you see, we are in the middle of a rather convoluted svn-to-git transition.
20130406 05:45:23< shadowm> Up to the point at which 1.11.2 was released, we were using a SVN repository on the same site that hosts the bug tracker, so if you mentioned a bug number or patch number in your commit message, that bug or patch would get CC'd the commit message.
20130406 05:45:41< shadowm> But now we are not, so we must do that by hand, and I guess mordante just forgot to do so.
20130406 05:46:36< shadowm> But I am not him and the most definitive source of information for your question in this case would be mordante himself. :)
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20130406 07:30:31< esr> shadowm: I'm working on them.  It's a slow process because the repo is so freaking huge - also, it turns out I've tripped over a bug in 1.7.x.x git and am going to have to upgrade, which complicates matters a bit.  None of this stuff is difficult but it has high process friction and takes time.
20130406 07:36:55< shadowm> Ok.
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20130406 09:06:35< boucman> morning
20130406 09:06:45< _Coffee> hi boucman
20130406 09:06:50< _Coffee> can I sak a question
20130406 09:06:53< _Coffee> *ask
20130406 09:06:55< boucman> sure
20130406 09:07:05< boucman> i'm semi afk, but answering questions should be ok
20130406 09:07:10< _Coffee> do you remember if there ever was any wiki or anything for animation timings?
20130406 09:07:24< boucman> for timing specifically ?
20130406 09:07:26< boucman> no
20130406 09:07:32< _Coffee> I thought
20130406 09:07:38< _Coffee> I thought so
20130406 09:08:01< boucman> you might be able to add timing animations to http://units.wesnoth.org/
20130406 09:08:06< _Coffee> that thread that has long been coming in animation that I want to post I think should have a way to get consistent animations
20130406 09:08:12< boucman> but I don't know who maintains that script nowdays
20130406 09:09:58< _Coffee> I've redone the naga line to match other units in timings and there would be others to do as well
20130406 09:11:05< _Coffee> I suppose I should post the changes in the art forum and see what the artist say?
20130406 09:12:02< _Coffee> boucman: doesn't look like the script is current
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20130406 09:13:44< _Coffee> I suppose I should find the author of the script to reflect the changes to the animation syntax
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20130406 09:15:51< boucman> yes
20130406 09:15:59< boucman> ok, I need to run, sorry
20130406 09:16:08< _Coffee> np
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20130406 09:18:55< _Coffee> perhaps this is current information: http://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/animations.html
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20130406 09:19:05< _Coffee> does anyone know who maintains this?
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20130406 09:34:14< _Coffee> I've found that a version for 1.1 was written by a Jym in perl
20130406 09:35:23< Ivanovic> might have been elias who created it or boucman
20130406 09:35:28< Ivanovic> not 100% sure though....
20130406 09:35:42< _Coffee> boucman says he didn't
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20130406 09:36:13-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Will move the repo to github, please read the dev-ml! | 172 bugs, 333 feature requests, 21 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20130406 09:36:49< _Coffee> elias: you didn't create the new version of units.wesnoth.org the wesnoth units databse?
20130406 09:37:00< _Coffee> *database
20130406 09:40:05< Ivanovic> _Coffee: if you are talking about the stuff from data/tools/unit_tree than that is clearly elias area of knowledge
20130406 09:40:26< _Coffee> Ivanovic: yes, that's it
20130406 09:40:37< _Coffee> ust want to make sure that the new syntax doesn't affect anything
20130406 09:40:41< _Coffee> *just
20130406 09:41:08< _Coffee> although it actually looks fine
20130406 09:41:26< _Coffee> I don't know if it is running on 1.11.1 or not
20130406 09:41:39< Ivanovic> that is elias might currently still be sleeping or just off
20130406 09:41:48< _Coffee> fair enough
20130406 09:41:54< Ivanovic> considering that he was last active about 8h ago which means something like 2am local time
20130406 09:42:38< _Coffee> I didn't realize that any changes might affect so many things
20130406 09:42:54< _Coffee> it's really an eye-opener for a large mature project
20130406 09:43:06< _Coffee> that even changing a little thing can affect so many things
20130406 10:18:22< Ivanovic> _Coffee: you should not underestimate how old wesnoth is and how many people worked on it over time
20130406 10:18:32< Ivanovic> without any larger, guiding concept behind it
20130406 10:19:02< Ivanovic> so many things evolved into real beasts over time which you would have handled differently if that functionality were your aim right from the start
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20130406 10:19:37< _Coffee> Ivanovic: yes, I know that, but it is still amaxing to see in practise (for me anyway)
20130406 10:19:53 * _Coffee wonders why I can't type anything without errors :P
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20130406 13:19:12< AI0867> 05:17 < nurupo> seems like irker502 can't into irc message-length limits <-- irkerd doesn't do any message formatting other than trimming lines that are too long. That's the responsibility of the hook. The hook is something I hacked together in a hurry for sourceforge. I haven't been able to improve it as their system has been broken for a week now
20130406 13:51:15< esr> shadowm: Can you use your forum-sadmin superpowers to find out who "zas" was?  Name and email address.  He's the only remaining unidentified dev.
20130406 13:59:08< AI0867> esr: eric_s_raymond does not seem to exist yet on github
20130406 13:59:34< esr> AI0867: Checking...
20130406 13:59:35< AI0867> https://github.com/eric_s_raymond
20130406 14:02:20< esr> Sorry: eric-s-raymond
20130406 14:02:27< esr> With hyphens
20130406 14:03:09< AI0867> you're an owner now
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20130406 14:05:25< esr> AI0867: Thanks.
20130406 14:10:36< esr> fabi: ping?
20130406 14:11:39< fabi> esr: pong
20130406 14:13:37< esr> fabi: You're not formatting your change comments properly for git.  Please remember:  Standalone summary line, less than 75 chars.  Then a blank line.  Then running text.  This makes them easier to browse in git log and gitk.
20130406 14:14:09< esr> fabi: I just fixed up some recent ones.
20130406 14:14:31< fabi> esr: Okay, no problem. Wasn't aware of the proper format. Could you write a mail to dev-ml to make them public, please?
20130406 14:15:05< fabi> s/them/it
20130406 14:15:08< esr> fabi: I did, it must have got by you somehow.
20130406 14:15:29< fabi> esr: Okay, sorry. I promise to do better from now on.
20130406 14:15:49< esr> (Oh, no blank line if there's no running text.)
20130406 14:16:06< esr> fabi: NP, I've had to remind several people.
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20130406 14:17:17< fabi> fabi: I will fill a feature request against Eclipse (which I use to commit and push) to support the format better. It's currently just a box that allows everything.
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20130406 14:18:40< fabi> hi Gambit
20130406 14:20:10< Gambit> Hi
20130406 14:21:00< Gambit> esr: So we have the email that zas registered for the forums with
20130406 14:21:19< Gambit> We could try the dirty trick of emailing him and seeing if his email client exposes his real name if he replies :<
20130406 14:21:44< Gambit> Assuming the email is still active and he replies.
20130406 14:21:55< Gambit> Considering it's been a decade since he's been around...
20130406 14:22:34< vultraz> zas hasn't visited since Oct 2003
20130406 14:23:28< esr> Gambit: It probably won't work, but it's worth a try.  What was the email?  I could at least put that in the record.
20130406 14:25:01< Gambit> I was actually kidding about the dirty trick, and I'm not sure it's right to even expose their email without permission.
20130406 14:26:23< vultraz> IMO, we should just leave him as unknown.
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20130406 14:27:00< esr> Gambit: Would you please email and ask for this infoirmation, explaining that we want it for the commit history?
20130406 14:27:13< vultraz> He could be dead for all we know
20130406 14:27:29< Gambit> Okay.
20130406 14:27:41< Gambit> esr: Yes I'm drafting that message now.
20130406 14:27:57< Gambit> The email address contains the word "wesnoth" however.
20130406 14:28:14< Gambit> So the odds of them maintaining it after losing interest in the game is even lower :(
20130406 14:28:30< esr> Urgh.
20130406 14:31:17< Gambit> And visiting the domain of the email yields a blank white page saying "In reconstruction..."
20130406 14:31:23< esr> 33 commits over just about exactly a month in 2003.  zas didn't stick around long.
20130406 14:31:48< Gambit> Perhaps I could also email the webmaster of the domain asking for information about the site and the user (it could even be the same person)
20130406 14:32:12< Gambit> The domain name was renewed last August
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20130406 14:32:31< esr> Good idea.
20130406 14:33:19< Gambit> domainname.com/~user also yields "In reconstruction..." so yeah it's probably their website
20130406 14:35:02< Gambit> okay user@domainname.com failed; will try webmaster
20130406 14:37:33< esr> I have only one fix left to apply, a botched path in an old rename.
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20130406 14:42:09< fabi> Ivanovic: mail sent 
20130406 14:46:11< loonycyborg> Heh, search on github reveals a ton of svn mirrors by various people. Which project is ours? :P
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20130406 14:48:03< fabi> loonycyborg: https://github.com/wesnoth
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20130406 14:48:21< fabi> loonycyborg: It is not included in a search request since there is no repository up yet.
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20130406 14:49:10< loonycyborg> My account name on github is 'loonycyborg'
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20130406 14:58:55< AI0867> loonycyborg: added
20130406 15:00:01< loonycyborg> Thanks
20130406 15:00:33< AI0867> as a dev, which allows you to push and pull to 0 repositories right now
20130406 15:01:07< loonycyborg> Nice :P
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20130406 15:05:44< fabi> AI0867: Please add me as well to the 0 repositories thing. It sounds promising :-) My account is "fendrin".
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20130406 15:11:36< fabi> hi Alarantalara
20130406 15:11:51< Alarantalara> helo
20130406 15:11:54< fabi> Alarantalara: Are you the one who made the railroads?
20130406 15:11:58< Alarantalara> I am
20130406 15:12:07< fabi> Alarantalara: I have a request for you :-)
20130406 15:13:12< fabi> Alarantalara: They are currently in the cave terrain group but I use them on overground maps as well. They work well there if put on a stone road.
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20130406 15:13:59< fabi> Alarantalara: Would you please make versions of the (some) bridges with rails on them?
20130406 15:17:55< Alarantalara> Given the current appearance of the bridges, the stone chasm bridge would probably work best, which doesn't work enormously well over water.
20130406 15:19:07< Alarantalara> The others have distinct slopes, which railroads try to avoid
20130406 15:19:37< fabi> Alarantalara: The "normal" wood bridge is doing fine as well. I have already tried it and it looks well for the north-south version but my skills don't fit to do so. The wood bridge has only a small slope, I guess a train could cope with that.
20130406 15:20:16< fabi> s/my skills don't fit to do so/my skills don't fit to do the rest of them.
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