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we consider that "bad enough" and 20130409 16:47:32< irker013> don't evaluate the rest any more. 20130409 16:54:51< irker013> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r29792bb / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred counter attack calculation: remove now redundant conditional - http://git.io/xEOwyQ 20130409 16:54:52< irker013> Made unnecessary by previous commit 20130409 16:54:54< irker013> AI-Demos: mattsc master * rdca0d0a / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred counter attack calculation: force stop_eval_average_hp to be non-negative - http://git.io/DCk49g 20130409 16:54:55< irker013> If average HP is zero, it cannot get any worse than this. 20130409 18:07:50-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 18:10:37-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 18:14:34< AI0867> mattsc: how come the default min hp cutoff is -1? (and why is the default larger than -infinity?) 20130409 18:15:31< mattsc> AI0867: ooo, somebody actuallt looks at the code! :) 20130409 18:16:11< mattsc> The reason is that min_hp is always non-negative, but not all min_hp = 0 are the same (equally bad). 20130409 18:16:43< mattsc> While average_hp = 0 means that the unit *will* die, min_hp = 0 can have different CTKs. 20130409 18:17:41< mattsc> Thus, I shouldn't stop checking other combinations if min_hp = 0, and any negative number will do as default.. 20130409 18:17:44< AI0867> ah, okay 20130409 18:18:12< AI0867> you might want to note that in the comments 20130409 18:18:40< mattsc> AI0867: will do. Thanks. 20130409 18:24:08< irker013> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r41fe821 / lua/grunt-rush-Freelands-S1_engine.lua : Fred counter attack calculation: add comment about stop_eval_min_hp - http://git.io/ccqTLw 20130409 18:24:09< irker013> This explains why default value is -1. 20130409 18:27:15< mattsc> AI0867: that reminds me that I've been meaning to check whether Lua has constants for inf and -inf. 20130409 18:27:38< mattsc> I'm always using -9e99 which feels ... inelegant at best... 20130409 18:35:43< AI0867> hmm, how many nines do you need to overflow a double? 20130409 18:42:40< AI0867> python says that 9e999 is inf, while 9e99 is 9e99 20130409 18:43:47< AI0867> this holds for python2.7 and python 3.2, positive and negative 20130409 18:44:37< AI0867> binary16 Half precision 2 10+1 −14 +15 storage, not basic 3.31 4.51 20130409 18:44:37< AI0867> binary32 Single precision 2 23+1 −126 +127 7.22 38.23 20130409 18:44:37< AI0867> binary64 Double precision 2 52+1 −1022 +1023 15.95 307.95 20130409 18:44:38< AI0867> binary128 Quadruple precision 2 112+1 −16382 +16383 34.02 4931.77 20130409 18:44:41< AI0867> from wikipedia 20130409 18:44:48< AI0867> the last column is the maximum "e value" 20130409 18:45:32< mattsc> AI0867: I see. Thanks. 20130409 18:46:18< mattsc> In my applications, -9e99 is plenty negative. I compare that to numbers that usually don't go below -100, and rarely below -1000. 20130409 18:46:47< mattsc> It's more a "general principle" thing than an actual problem in the AI code. 20130409 19:30:12-!- fabi [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20130409 19:43:43-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d155109.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 19:55:46-!- Crendgrim [~crend@port-92-204-88-199.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 20:55:41< vultraz> shikadibot: dir trunk 20130409 20:55:42<+shikadibot> vultraz: Web interface URL to dir trunk: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk 20130409 20:56:24< bumbadadabum> vultraz: Why do you need the repo URL all the time? 20130409 20:56:41< vultraz> online diffs 20130409 21:17:07-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20130409 21:24:36-!- irker013 [~irker@ai0867.net] has quit [Quit: transmission timeout] 20130409 21:41:02-!- irker907 [~irker@ai0867.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 21:41:02< irker907> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r18060 /trunk/NX-RPG/episode1/scenarios/02_Fleeing_the_Swarm.cfg: 20130409 21:41:02< irker907> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: add missing quote 20130409 21:43:18< irker907> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r18061 /trunk/NX-RPG/episode1/scenarios/ (04_Assassins.cfg 02_Unknown_Land.cfg): 20130409 21:43:19< irker907> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: fix some file/macro refs I forgot to update 20130409 21:44:08< irker907> wesnoth-umc-dev: vultraz * r18062 /trunk/NX-RPG/episode1/scenarios/02_Fleeing_the_Swarm.cfg: 20130409 21:44:08< irker907> wesnoth-umc-dev: NX: don't include spawner logic just yet 20130409 21:57:38-!- Crendgrim [~crend@port-92-204-88-199.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20130409 22:02:35-!- esr [~chatzilla@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 22:57:00-!- _8680l_ [~8680@S010620aa4b739215.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 22:57:41-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20130409 23:21:16-!- fabi [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 23:28:25-!- Espreon_ [~espreon@ai0867.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 23:28:50-!- Espreon_ is now known as Guest37737 20130409 23:32:54-!- Guest37737 [~espreon@ai0867.net] has quit [Changing host] 20130409 23:32:54-!- Guest37737 [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20130409 23:33:13-!- Guest37737 is now known as Espreon__ 20130409 23:33:18-!- Espreon__ is now known as Cheese-kun 20130409 23:33:41-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Espreon 20130409 23:34:08-!- Cheese-kun is now known as Espreon 20130409 23:51:31-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev --- Log closed Wed Apr 10 00:00:40 2013