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20130417 16:06:12< irker781> AI-Demos: mattsc master * r3f1a0dc / micro_ais/scenarios/goto.cfg : Goto MAI scenario: more messages - http://git.io/BcHh1Q
20130417 16:07:23< irker781> AI-Demos: mattsc master * rd6094a0 / micro_ais/maps/goto.map : Goto MAI scenario: minor tweak to the map - http://git.io/TcSXQA
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20130417 17:10:06< irker781> wesnoth-umc-dev: bumbadadabum * r18100 /trunk/The_Voids_Tears/scenarios/ (5 files): 
20130417 17:10:07< irker781> wesnoth-umc-dev: TVT: made the scenario names translatable
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20130417 18:03:49< skyfaller> mattsc: does AI-demos only work on Wesnoth 1.11 now?
20130417 18:04:12< skyfaller> or rather, are we only supporting it on 1.11 now?
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20130417 18:04:59< mattsc> skyfaller: it's even worse than that.  It only works in 1.11.2 (and later) now.
20130417 18:05:11< skyfaller> hahaha
20130417 18:05:20< skyfaller> OK :)
20130417 18:05:58< skyfaller> that is not clear from the Github page at all, we should post that prominently... I'll stick it on the front page readme
20130417 18:06:10< mattsc> Good point.  Thanks!
20130417 18:06:34< vultraz> can I have the link to the repo?
20130417 18:06:49< skyfaller> https://github.com/mattsc/Wesnoth-AI-Demos
20130417 18:09:03< irker781> AI-Demos: Nelson Pavlosky master * r3a50634 / README.md : Compatible only with Wesnoth 1.11.2 and later - http://git.io/RwPMaw
20130417 18:09:56< skyfaller> I feel like the list of micro-AIs in the readme is also out of date
20130417 18:10:02< skyfaller> haven't we added some?
20130417 18:10:15< skyfaller> oh, we don't list the micro-AIs at all
20130417 18:10:29< skyfaller> seems like we should
20130417 18:10:56< mattsc> skyfaller: well, we do in a way, as most of the AIs listed have been converted to MAIs.  But you are right, it should be updated.
20130417 18:11:26< mattsc> Maybe it's best simply to link to the MAI wiki page?  I do try to keep that one up to date (forgot about the readme file, sorry)
20130417 18:11:36< mattsc> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Micro_AIs
20130417 18:11:45< skyfaller> ah, OK
20130417 18:12:24 * vultraz likes the github app
20130417 18:14:10< skyfaller> mattsc: so is there a list anywhere of the... non-micro AIs?
20130417 18:14:58< mattsc> skyfaller: sure: https://github.com/mattsc/Wesnoth-AI-Demos/tree/master/scenarios  ;)
20130417 18:15:06< skyfaller> ok :)
20130417 18:15:21< mattsc> Except for Fred and Ron, there's really not much left.
20130417 18:15:32< skyfaller> are they all destined to become micro-AIs?
20130417 18:16:18< mattsc> skyfaller: yes, essentially.
20130417 18:16:37< mattsc> There's really no difference between an MAI and a "normal" AI.
20130417 18:16:53< mattsc> All the MAI formalism does is to provide an easy way of including the AI in a scenario.
20130417 18:17:00< skyfaller> I see
20130417 18:18:36< mattsc> So, when an AI has reached the level of not-too-embarrassing, I put the [micro_ai] tag wrapper around it and it becomes an MAI.
20130417 18:18:59< mattsc> For example, this is Ron: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Micro_AIs#Rush_Recruitment_AI_.28recruiting_type.3Drushers.29
20130417 18:19:40< skyfaller> but Ron doesn't just do recruiting, does he?
20130417 18:19:40< mattsc> (well, the recruiting part of Ron, I think)
20130417 18:19:43< skyfaller> ok
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20130417 18:24:36< irker781> AI-Demos: Nelson Pavlosky master * r8015f0e / README.md : update list of AIs, link to wiki Micro-AI list - http://git.io/AciAqg
20130417 18:25:55< skyfaller> ... am I weird for using my real name on Github? The other committers seem to be pseudonymous
20130417 18:26:31< mattsc> skyfaller: no, you're weird for spending your time working on silly computer games  :D
20130417 18:26:36< skyfaller> hahahaha
20130417 18:26:38< vultraz> well, you made me use my real name instead of my nick, so..no?
20130417 18:26:43< vultraz> :P
20130417 18:26:44< vultraz> lol
20130417 18:27:22< mattsc> skyfaller: my real name is very easily accessible for anybody who wants to find out
20130417 18:27:55< mattsc> skyfaller: thanks for updating the readme !
20130417 18:28:10< skyfaller> no prob :)
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20130417 18:41:21< skyfaller> this is apropos of nothing, but you know what eats insane amounts of hard drive space? Team Fortress 2. I deleted it and suddenly I had like 40 gigs more hard drive space.
20130417 18:42:04< skyfaller> I need a bigger SSD :(
20130417 18:42:31< mattsc> :|
20130417 18:46:31< bumbadadabum> skyfaller: TF2 is insane
20130417 18:47:27< skyfaller> well, I love the game, but I can't afford the hard drive space on my laptop's SSD. And I can't afford a bigger SSD right now :P
20130417 18:47:51< skyfaller> I don't understand why it needs so much space when other games get by just fine on a gig or two
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20130417 22:05:46< skyfaller> mattsc: remember this test case? http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34976&start=405#p539486  Does it still work in modern Fred?
20130417 22:07:30< mattsc> skyfaller: I haven't tested it recently because current Fred has some bigger issues (like the one AI0867 posted recently)
20130417 22:07:53< mattsc> In principle dealing with this situation is built in, but I don't know if the weights are balanced correctly.
20130417 22:08:30< skyfaller> I mean, the savegame file will literally work, I'm not talking about whether Fred's response is correct
20130417 22:09:29< mattsc> skyfaller: oh, I see.  I don't see a reason why it shouldn't work.  I haven't touched that part of the code in a long time.
20130417 22:10:08< mattsc> ... but I don't remember if we ever changed that particular savefile to the final version of the CA debugging code.
20130417 22:10:41< skyfaller> alright, how can I test it? I just downloaded Wesnoth 1.11.2
20130417 22:10:42< mattsc> I vaguely remember me changing it, then making more changes to the code.  I do not remember whether I adapted the save again after that.
20130417 22:11:24< mattsc> Umm ...   You expect me to remember something that happened more than a couple weeks ago  ;)
20130417 22:11:29< skyfaller> lol
20130417 22:11:30< mattsc> ?
20130417 22:11:53< mattsc> You need to start Wesnoth in debug mode, and set one of the options in ai_helper, I think.
20130417 22:11:54< skyfaller> I forgot how to set up the testing environment, so I shouldn't be surprised if you forgot too :P
20130417 22:13:22< mattsc> Hey, I wrote instructions for that: https://github.com/mattsc/Wesnoth-AI-Demos/wiki/CA-debugging
20130417 22:13:29< skyfaller> hahaha
20130417 22:13:35< mattsc> (and the link is in the forum post you quoted up there)
20130417 22:13:45< skyfaller> thanks, I fail reading comprehension
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20130417 22:15:47< mattsc> skyfaller: yeah, so my recollection was correct, just that the flag to change is in lua/eval_exec_CA.lua
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20130417 22:27:48< skyfaller> mattsc: looks like the wiki is slightly incorrect, looks like you now edit debug_CA() to return "false" or "true", there is no Variable 'debug_CA_mode' 
20130417 22:28:05< skyfaller> or am I reading the code wrong?
20130417 22:28:20< skyfaller> oh
20130417 22:28:32< skyfaller> there is such a variable, but you don't edit it directly
20130417 22:29:39< skyfaller> you're not setting it to true directly, you change what debug_CA() returns and the code sets the contents of debug_CA_mode to whatever debug_CA() returns
20130417 22:29:53< skyfaller> I guess the wiki is still accurate after all
20130417 22:31:54< skyfaller> mattsc: OK, I loaded the file and it complained it was from a previous version of the game, so I loaded it and saved it again as a new file....
20130417 22:32:07< skyfaller> but now nothing is working, I'm getting lua errors all over the place
20130417 22:32:53< skyfaller> I don't think my test case works anymore :( Any chance you could update that file for me?
20130417 22:33:38< mattsc> skyfaller: bummer, but I was afraid of that.
20130417 22:34:37< mattsc> I remember editing the file, then making some more changes ...  Unfortunately it looks like I never updated the file afterward...
20130417 22:35:04< mattsc> I'll look into it, but don't have time for that any more today.  I need to take off pretty soon and will be busy all evening.
20130417 22:35:10< skyfaller> no problem
20130417 22:35:32< skyfaller> I just want to start doing test cases again, and it would make me happy if my past work wasn't lost :)
20130417 22:35:58< mattsc> skyfaller: sounds good.
20130417 22:36:42< skyfaller> let me know if/when it is fixed
20130417 22:36:54< mattsc> will do
20130417 22:37:00< skyfaller> at any rate, it appears I'm able to to CA debugging again
20130417 22:37:05< skyfaller> *to do
20130417 22:37:12< mattsc> :)
20130417 22:37:15< skyfaller> so if you want my help debugging things just tell me
20130417 22:37:59< mattsc> It's on my list to do (tell you) as soon as the main zone_hold bugs are worked out.
20130417 22:38:07< skyfaller> ok
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