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20130420 02:10:37< Hulavuta> artisticfool
20130420 02:12:57 * celticminstrel smacks Hulavuta.
20130420 02:13:04< Hulavuta> ._.
20130420 02:13:05< Hulavuta> artisticdude
20130420 02:13:40< Hulavuta> Best friend?
20130420 02:13:44< Hulavuta> Where did you go?
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20130420 02:15:13< celticminstrel> You killed him! :O
20130420 02:15:16< Hulavuta> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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20130420 02:27:17< celticminstrel> XD
20130420 02:27:43< Hulavuta> ?
20130420 02:44:17< celticminstrel> Your reaction.
20130420 02:45:12< Hulavuta> oh
20130420 02:45:13< Hulavuta> thansk
20130420 02:45:15< Hulavuta> thanks
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20130420 04:07:47< Hulavuta> That was fast
20130420 04:07:47< wesbot> Hulavuta: Sometimes we are fast
20130420 04:29:31< blarumyrran> But who are these "we"?
20130420 04:29:47< blarumyrran> It is the proud race of wesbots, hailing from the shores of Westrobothnia
20130420 04:30:48< Hulavuta> Why did you ask the question if you already knew the answer?
20130420 04:33:15< celticminstrel> It's a device, or something.
20130420 04:33:22< Hulavuta> Oh, I see
20130420 04:33:26< celticminstrel> Don't question it!
20130420 04:33:33< Hulavuta> Okay!
20130420 04:33:38 * celticminstrel draws Hulavuta into a pentagram!
20130420 04:33:46< Hulavuta> Hmm where has JesseH been, I wonder
20130420 04:33:50< celticminstrel> Who knows.
20130420 04:34:02< Hulavuta> Kinda miss him
20130420 04:34:05< Hulavuta> He made us actually play Wesnoth
20130420 04:38:05< Espreon> I don't.
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20130420 04:38:47< Hulavuta> Yeah, but you hate everyone.
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20130420 04:42:47< Espreon> True.
20130420 04:43:00< Hulavuta> Do you hate me?
20130420 04:44:51< Espreon> I hate everyone.
20130420 04:44:55< Espreon> Silly Hulavuta.
20130420 04:45:03< Hulavuta> But I thought I was special
20130420 04:45:09< Hulavuta> not just part of "everyone"
20130420 04:45:47< Espreon> Maybe, maybe not.
20130420 04:45:52< Hulavuta> ._.
20130420 04:45:52< Espreon> I'm too lazy to decide.
20130420 04:46:00< Hulavuta> I hate you too
20130420 04:46:02< Espreon> Maybe when the semester ends.
20130420 04:46:17< Hulavuta> >_<
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20130420 07:06:26< Gambit> Today, someone proposed perhaps the silliest feature request for Wesnoth I have ever seen.
20130420 07:06:28< Gambit> http://www.reddit.com/r/wesnoth/comments/1cnir2/growing_wesnoth_with_bitcoin_would_this_idea_be/
20130420 07:07:27< Gambit> While playing the game, it should eat up all of the rest of your available processing and graphics power to mine buttcoins!
20130420 07:08:45< NoQ> not the most profitable thing you can do with bitcoins ...
20130420 07:08:53< NoQ> i think.
20130420 07:08:58< NoQ> dunno, just heard.
20130420 07:10:10< Gambit> I didn't think there'd ever be an earnest (not-a-joke) feature request that was sillier than my idea to add http-POST and http-GET action WML tags.
20130420 07:10:41< Gambit> Not to mention them posting it to reddit of all places.
20130420 07:10:53< Gambit> This thread made my lunch break very amusing today.
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20130420 07:33:59< blarumyrran> my favorite feature request is still the one that,
20130420 07:34:44< blarumyrran> for people who are scared of undead, there should be an option to toggle the entire game between various types of undead and various types of rock-men - men made of rock
20130420 07:34:50< Hulavuta> Me too
20130420 07:34:55< Hulavuta> and then Noy just says "No."
20130420 07:34:55< blarumyrran> it got a No. and a lock after the first post though
20130420 07:35:07< blarumyrran> yeah it's like a cult hit
20130420 07:35:11< blarumyrran> that thread
20130420 07:35:13< Hulavuta> It's the best haha
20130420 07:35:42< blarumyrran> when I mentioned it once in some offtopic thread that was pruned because back in the day offtopic threads were autopruned, Ken Oh could immediately come up with a link to it
20130420 07:35:50< Hulavuta> :O
20130420 07:36:03< blarumyrran> (as in he implied he didnt have to search for it)
20130420 07:36:33< blarumyrran> it's like everybody's private favorite thread
20130420 07:36:46< Hulavuta> Yes
20130420 07:46:01< blarumyrran> Gambit "I say this as a Battle for Wesnoth Developer: no." you are a wesnoth developer??
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20130420 13:41:36< Necrosporus> blarumyrran, what, why?
20130420 13:41:47< Necrosporus> Undead are the best fraction
20130420 13:42:04< Necrosporus> *faction
20130420 13:43:57< _8680_> Necrosporus: Someone found them offensive.
20130420 13:44:23< Necrosporus> Some other would find Elves offensive
20130420 13:44:27< Necrosporus> or humans or orks
20130420 13:44:31< _8680_> The proposed rockmen had the same statistics, but different descriptions.
20130420 13:45:14< Necrosporus> Zombie rock?
20130420 13:45:52< Necrosporus> Undead are no more offensive than any other faction
20130420 13:45:53< _8680_> Necrosporus: <http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31007>
20130420 13:46:01< _8680_> Not to most people, no.
20130420 13:47:09< Necrosporus> Anyway, that's unrealistic, provided the number of places where undead are mentioned
20130420 13:47:36< Necrosporus> Even if you change descr, there will be still a ton of dialogue
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20130420 13:49:00< _8680_> Necrosporus: As far as I know, it was dismissed immediately, as you can see.
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20130420 13:52:10< Necrosporus> It's like they say "Game is unrealistic, remove magic, elves and other not-existent critters"
20130420 14:12:04< Necrosporus> Anyway, what's more offensive in undead?
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20130420 14:29:33< lipkab> Necrosporus: They're somehow disturbing to religious people.
20130420 14:30:27< lipkab> I guess the coming-back-from-death is what upsets them.
20130420 14:31:28< lipkab> For a Christian, such a thing is like saying that objects can fall upwards.
20130420 14:32:16< lipkab> ...and just as like many would complain about objects falling upwards, many Christians don't like the concept of undead.
20130420 14:32:33< lipkab> At least that's how I interpret it.
20130420 14:36:11< Necrosporus> Well, but undead is religious concept
20130420 14:36:54< lipkab> I don't understand that...
20130420 14:37:28< Necrosporus> Things do not fall upward, dead do not come to life, but some religions tell otherwise, for example Jesus raised a dead man in their Evangelia
20130420 14:38:17< lipkab> Yeah, but that was Jesus.
20130420 14:38:25< lipkab> Not a petty necromancer.
20130420 14:38:41< bumbadadabum> You don't know
20130420 14:38:45< bumbadadabum> maybe Jesus was a necromancer
20130420 14:38:45< Necrosporus> Necromancers are lvl3
20130420 14:38:56< Necrosporus> They are quite strong units
20130420 14:39:55< lipkab> I'm not a Christian, but I don't think they measure Jesus' capabilities in unit levels.
20130420 14:40:04< Necrosporus> Also UtBS must be offensive too for them
20130420 14:40:14< lipkab> Probably.
20130420 14:40:38< bumbadadabum> People get butthurt over literally anything
20130420 14:40:49< Necrosporus> So the solution is simple, let fanatic christian don't play Wesnoth
20130420 14:41:04< bumbadadabum> there is a campaign about Jesus
20130420 14:41:04< bumbadadabum> js
20130420 14:41:14< lipkab> Necrosporus: Yeah, did anyone argue that?
20130420 14:41:51< Necrosporus> lipkab, deities are lvl5 usually
20130420 14:42:40< bumbadadabum> Necrosporus: I go for level 6 or 10 even
20130420 14:42:51< bumbadadabum> depending on how strong they arre
20130420 14:44:02< Necrosporus> True Rashti is lvl5
20130420 14:44:14< Necrosporus> One of strongest deities of Abyss
20130420 14:44:25< bumbadadabum> Well, that's TLU
20130420 14:44:30< Necrosporus> Yeah
20130420 14:44:45< bumbadadabum> Canon has no deities
20130420 14:44:46< Necrosporus> Where also are there deities in game? Yechnagoth?
20130420 14:45:00< bumbadadabum> yeah, that
20130420 14:45:09< bumbadadabum> and that's level 5
20130420 14:45:23< bumbadadabum> but it's up to campaign creators to choose what level their deities are
20130420 14:46:03< lipkab> Which Yechnagoth? Isn't the one in UtBS a level 3?
20130420 14:46:14< bumbadadabum> Eloh is level 2-3
20130420 14:46:22< bumbadadabum> the central body is level 5 I think
20130420 14:46:46< bumbadadabum> also, Delfador is level 5
20130420 14:46:53< bumbadadabum> does that mean Delfador is a deity?
20130420 14:47:26< bumbadadabum> ok, Yechnagoth is level 3
20130420 14:47:31< lipkab> Yeah.
20130420 14:47:40< bumbadadabum> it's probably because of XP
20130420 14:47:48< lipkab> Plus many level 1-s.
20130420 14:47:49< Necrosporus> Delfador is not but he is near as strong as one
20130420 14:47:56< bumbadadabum> no
20130420 14:48:25< bumbadadabum> he is weaker than a Great mAge
20130420 14:48:27< bumbadadabum> *Mage
20130420 14:48:39< Necrosporus> Which is lvl4
20130420 14:48:44< bumbadadabum> yes
20130420 14:48:53< Necrosporus> Though I do not think he is quite weaker
20130420 14:49:27< bumbadadabum> Garard is level 5
20130420 14:49:41< Necrosporus> Maybe he is not as strong physically but his experience is unmatched and thus he can probably defeat a great mage or two
20130420 14:49:59< bumbadadabum> I'd say a level 5 is a powerful, important character
20130420 14:50:01< bumbadadabum> not a deity
20130420 14:50:05< lipkab> I'm level 20.
20130420 14:50:14< lipkab> Hah hah.
20130420 14:50:33< bumbadadabum> Well....
20130420 14:50:39< bumbadadabum> I'm level 350
20130420 14:50:46< bumbadadabum> (is that even possible)
20130420 14:50:49< bumbadadabum> (I never tried)
20130420 14:51:07< lipkab> I've just gained some xp, so I'm now level 10000^10000.
20130420 14:51:33< bumbadadabum> cheater
20130420 14:51:40< lipkab> :P
20130420 14:52:03< lipkab> Look the benefits.
20130420 14:52:04< bumbadadabum> that'd mean you'd have to have attacked a level 10000^10000 - 20 unit
20130420 14:52:11< bumbadadabum> with expeience=1
20130420 14:52:23< lipkab> If you hit me, you'll level up instantly.
20130420 14:52:25< Necrosporus> I am level 3^^^^^^3
20130420 14:52:34< lipkab> If I don't kill you, that is.
20130420 14:52:36< bumbadadabum> 3^3^3^3^3^3^3?
20130420 14:52:40< Necrosporus> nope
20130420 14:52:57< Necrosporus> 3^^3 means 3^3^3
20130420 14:53:39< Necrosporus> This is different notation
20130420 14:53:52< Necrosporus> what you wrote is 3^^6
20130420 14:54:01< bumbadadabum> Ino
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20130420 14:54:27< Necrosporus> or 3^7
20130420 14:54:30< bumbadadabum> that's be 3^(2x3)
20130420 14:54:33< bumbadadabum> no
20130420 14:54:41< bumbadadabum> 3^3^3 = 3^27
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20130420 14:54:59< Necrosporus> 3^^7 I mean
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20130420 14:55:13< bumbadadabum> oh ok
20130420 14:55:15< bumbadadabum> I see
20130420 14:55:33< Necrosporus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth%27s_up-arrow_notation
20130420 14:55:35< bumbadadabum> just misunderstood the notation
20130420 14:59:11< Necrosporus> Such a unit without ranged attack would be a great gift for an enemy
20130420 14:59:26< Necrosporus> He can level a bunch of units and lose only one
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20130420 15:28:54< Necrosporus> Though random in wesnoth is actually sometimes biased, for example, there are no chances to hit Malin' sister in DiD, while it's not displayed in any way
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20130420 15:44:19< Gambit> blarumyrran: very minor, but yes
20130420 15:44:38< Gambit> blarumyrran: And I know the development philosophy well enough to know that such a thing would never be accepted
20130420 15:45:41< Gambit> 1. Trying to make Wesnoth less performant for no reason
20130420 15:45:51< Gambit> 2. Needing to hire a real accountant to manage the disaster that is bitcoin
20130420 15:46:14< Gambit> 3. More money that just wasted away in taxes every year because we honestly don't spend it fast enough
20130420 15:46:18< enchilado> 4. Hi Gambit 
20130420 15:46:25< Gambit> 4. "money" in air quotes because... lol bitcoin
20130420 15:46:53< Gambit> 5. Using our user's computers as tools rather than providing them with a game.
20130420 15:47:19< Gambit> What's up enchilado?
20130420 15:47:39< enchilado> I dunno
20130420 15:47:44< enchilado> I've been hanging out in #starbound
20130420 15:47:51< enchilado> Got three people to ignore me
20130420 15:48:41< enchilado> Mentioned it in another channel, dude from there joined and started asking how free it was and somehow got the idea it had DRM and went on about how it was evil and full of fascists
20130420 15:48:51< enchilado> I'm sick and have an exam on Wednesday
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20130420 15:51:38< celticminstrel> What is Gambit talking about?
20130420 15:52:43< Gambit> celticminstrel: Someone wants us to build a bitcoin miner into Wesnoth and thus use our users as a giant bitcoin mining botnet to fund the project.
20130420 15:53:54< celticminstrel> ...
20130420 15:53:59< enchilado> s/Someone/Some idiot/
20130420 15:54:00< celticminstrel> What.
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20130420 15:57:29< Gambit> The German government recently froze the assets of the second largest bitcoin exchange while they investigate them for money laundering.
20130420 15:57:51< Gambit> The largest bitcoin exchange is basically manipulating the prices by going down for maintenance every time there's a big sell off coming.
20130420 15:57:54< Crendgrim> ... wait.. what?
20130420 15:57:58< Crendgrim> oops.
20130420 15:58:06< Crendgrim> I feel bad for not knowing that.. lol
20130420 15:58:22< Gambit> Companies that accept bitcoins spend more on accountants than they theoretically make.
20130420 15:58:29< Gambit> The value of bitcoins bounce like a yoyo.
20130420 15:59:00< Gambit> But they don't see all these signs because some of them have invested thousands in it.
20130420 15:59:22< Gambit> So they're still trying to convince everyone they can to shoehorn bitcoin into everything.
20130420 16:00:31< Gambit> It was just amusing to get that suggestion is all.
20130420 16:04:09< Crendgrim> at least something interesting in the subreddit.
20130420 16:04:19< Gambit> Yes
20130420 16:04:44< Gambit> Easily the best post so far just in terms of how much it entertained me.
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