--- Log opened Sun May 05 00:00:27 2013
20130505 00:02:18< Trademark> mordante, I put a database schema and update a bit the back-end section. I found this beautiful project: http://soci.sourceforge.net/index.html and I though it could be very useful, it seems to be maintain and stable (CERN organization use it).
20130505 00:04:30< AI0867> mordante, perennate: The webinterface is PHP. gettext.wesnoth.org is generated by a PHP script, but fetching the data is done by cron-run shell and python
20130505 00:05:56< Soliton> i don't think they were talking about gettext.wesnoth.org.
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20130505 00:09:40< AI0867> regarding the add-ons webinterface, I'm not sure, but I suspect PHP is involved
20130505 00:11:02< Soliton> it is not.
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20130505 00:37:10< shadowm> Is there a simpler way to fetch commits and update a working tree without git pull than git fetch; git merge --ff-only origin/branchnamehere ?
20130505 00:38:59< shadowm> I'm thinking about multiple working trees sharing a repository via symlinks/git-new-workdir, here. It's a little absurd and time consuming (given my connection quality) to pull from every single working tree.
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20130505 01:55:28< Soliton> nurupo: tested your change and once you fix that variable name i think it's good to go in.
20130505 01:57:36< Soliton> nurupo: it appears your email setting in git is not correct? (git config user.email) that'd be good to fix before merging. maybe together with correcting some typos in your commit messages. ;-)
20130505 02:22:46< nurupo> Soliton: i just haven't verified my email yet :) btw, is my email will be visible or something? if so, i bettter make a proxy email and redirect it to my main
20130505 02:23:03< nurupo> oh, git config
20130505 02:23:12< nurupo> i see
20130505 02:23:24< nurupo> i was talking about github
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20130505 02:26:07< irker727> Wesnoth: fendrin :master * 9d52e89 / data/core/editor/brushes.cfg: Fixed the name of an editor brush. http://git.io/IuKnsQ
20130505 02:26:07< irker727> Wesnoth: fendrin :master * 0f54c16 / src/editor/map/context_manager.cpp: Take care of the global state of game pointer. http://git.io/uZzEkw
20130505 02:26:08< irker727> Wesnoth: fendrin :master * 83f5f47 / / (8 files): Implemented a context menu for the unit tool. http://git.io/IQwu_w
20130505 02:27:44< fabi> wesbot: seen lordbob_ ?
20130505 02:27:44< wesbot> fabi: The person with the nick LordBob_ last spoke 1d 9h ago.  16h 56m ago they left with the message: Quit: back on tuesday
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20130505 03:08:58< nurupo> Soliton: fixed the variable name
20130505 03:09:42< nurupo> and also set the eamil. not sure if it got updated
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20130505 04:21:07< mattsc> anonymissimus et al.: FYI, the AI-demos repo at github has been renamed to match the directory name on the add-ons server
20130505 04:22:38< mattsc> Also, I am in the process of setting up simple Lua, Formula and Micro AI demo scenarios that can be used as templates instead of or in addition to the 'Practical Guide' pages.  (both as suggested by you)
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20130505 04:36:07< Gambit> Developers please read this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38764
20130505 04:36:13< Gambit> I have mailed this to moderators and administrators as well.
20130505 04:36:48< Gambit> I'm sorry. I kicked a hornet's nest and they followed me here.
20130505 04:37:24< Gambit> I'll do my best to clean it up with minimal disturbance.
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20130505 10:51:40< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :master * e86b2c4 / changelog,data/core/about.cfg,players_changelog,po/wesnoth-httt/ru.po: updated Russian translation http://git.io/jlYdog
20130505 10:51:40< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :master * f3af4ed / changelog,players_changelog,po/wesnoth-help/zh_TW.po: updated Chinese (Traditional) translation http://git.io/q2mqeg
20130505 10:51:41< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :master * 615b842 / / (5 files): updated Polish translation http://git.io/jV1bjg
20130505 10:51:42< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :master * 2ae6309 / / (12 files): updated Italian translation http://git.io/2JQWBA
20130505 10:51:43< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :master * bde730d / / (11 files): updated Vietnamese translation http://git.io/V0902A
20130505 10:52:06< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :1.10 * 0227070 / / (5 files): updated Russian translation http://git.io/eLrr2A
20130505 10:52:08< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :1.10 * dfa64dd / changelog,players_changelog,po/wesnoth-help/zh_TW.po: updated Chinese (Traditional) translation http://git.io/IaUOLQ
20130505 10:52:10< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :1.10 * 02605d2 / changelog,players_changelog,po/wesnoth-dw/pl.po: updated Polish translation http://git.io/5Ns0Fg
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20130505 11:15:53< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :master * d1e02db / / (452 files): pot-update and regenerated doc files http://git.io/IR8xmw
20130505 11:15:53< Ivanovic> mordante: when fixing a typo please make sure to add this fix to utils/pofix.py
20130505 11:15:55< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :master * 409337c / po/wesnoth-editor/POTFILES.in: (re)add POTFILES.in from the editor to the repo http://git.io/flI2eQ
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20130505 11:22:18< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :1.10 * b2acafc / po/ (59 files): added typo fix from mordante to pofix.py and applied the script http://git.io/gEaTXg
20130505 11:29:33< irker285> Wesnoth: Nils Kneuper :1.10 * 04b7086 / / (1306 files): pot-update and regenerated doc files, no new/fuzzy strings http://git.io/ADZofw
20130505 11:44:01< Ivanovic> AI0867, Gambit, Soliton: what is the current status of the conversion especially in regards to gettext.wesnoth.org?
20130505 11:44:04< Ivanovic> meaning: which repo do i need to alter to make sure that the g.w.o scripts is getting access to the po files
20130505 11:44:31< Ivanovic> do we already have the repos on our server(s)?
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20130505 11:44:38< Ivanovic> esr: any update on the conversion and the problematic parts?
20130505 11:44:40< Soliton> esr has not managed to make a separate website repo and i'm not sure what he's up to now.
20130505 11:46:42< Soliton> Ivanovic: quick way would be to just commit to svn. long term we should move everything over to the new server and switch to git...
20130505 11:46:42< Ivanovic> Soliton: yes, we should
20130505 11:46:42< Ivanovic> Soliton: to get g.w.o to work again i would just need to know where we have the 1.10 and trunk repo stored on the server and update the update script
20130505 11:46:42< Ivanovic> then things should already work
20130505 11:46:43< Ivanovic> but somehow i have been out of the loop over the last month regarding the server
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20130505 13:11:41< irker285> wesnoth: ivanovic * r56595 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
20130505 13:11:42< irker285> wesnoth: moved repo over to git links at github
20130505 13:11:43< irker285> wesnoth: TODO: Once the switch is final to wesnoth and we no longer use wesnoth.org the
20130505 13:11:44< irker285> wesnoth: scripts need to be adjusted to point to the correct repo. A plan grep should
20130505 13:11:45< irker285> wesnoth: .help
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20130505 13:16:14< irker285> Wesnoth: fendrin :master * 782807c / src/widgets/button.cpp,src/widgets/button.hpp: Made use of active overlay images. http://git.io/s2HECA
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20130505 13:16:16< irker285> Wesnoth: fendrin :master * 8981813 / src/editor/editor_controller.cpp: Call for label redrawing on a size change. http://git.io/Hfyl6A
20130505 13:16:18< irker285> Wesnoth: fendrin :master * 931e1f9 / data/core/editor/time-of-day.cfg: Define some new [editor_times] for later usage. http://git.io/ITBjLQ
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20130505 13:24:16< Ivanovic> with the completion of the next g.w.o update run we should have the stats based on the github repo
20130505 13:24:28< Ivanovic> and all links at g.w.o should also point to github
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20130505 15:01:10< AI0867> Ivanovic: did you also change things in wesnoth-old? because otherwise things might be flipping back an forth between the repos
20130505 15:01:40< Ivanovic> AI0867: and where is the website part in wesnoth-old?
20130505 15:01:43< Ivanovic> i have not found it there
20130505 15:02:01< AI0867> it's not a branch, it's a subdirectory of master
20130505 15:03:47< Ivanovic> ahhhh, okay
20130505 15:04:16< Ivanovic> having the stuff in there is *BAD*
20130505 15:04:20< Ivanovic> especially the resources folder
20130505 15:04:34< Ivanovic> since once upon the time the release tarball was just a snapshot of trunk
20130505 15:05:42< AI0867> yeah, which is why esr is going to change it in the reconversion, when that happens
20130505 15:06:10< Ivanovic> in fact there are several of those problematic folders...
20130505 15:20:55< irker285> wesnoth: ivanovic * r56596 /website/gettext.wesnoth.org/index.lang.php: 
20130505 15:20:56< irker285> wesnoth: attempt at fixing some issues with the update script
20130505 15:22:17< Ivanovic> okay, something in the script is broken leading to "Error in XXXX translation files"
20130505 15:22:23< Ivanovic> and i got no clue what
20130505 15:22:49< Ivanovic> since i just replaced basically every occurance of trunk by master and adjusted the urls for displaying
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20130505 15:24:32< Ivanovic> anyway, i need to leave for the next ~3h now, might be able to have a look at things afterwards
20130505 15:24:33< Ivanovic> CU
20130505 15:27:22< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: can you maybe have a look at this evil script?
20130505 15:29:10< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: the evil commit, meant to switch the repo to github: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=revision&revision=56595
20130505 15:29:42< Ivanovic> AI0867: or you might be able to help find out why it fails with those edits
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20130505 16:03:55< timotei_> Wesnoth still uses SDL 1.x right?
20130505 16:04:05< timotei_> Cause SDL 2.x is out there too
20130505 16:05:30< Vodkano> I was reading the EasyCoding wiki page, and wanted to add the second word to village naming. Is everything I need to modify in the mapgen.[ch]pp files?
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20130505 17:00:19< fabi> timotei_: is it?
20130505 17:00:31< fabi> timotei_: The last time I checked it was still beta.
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20130505 18:04:19< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: cd $CHECKOUTPATH/master/ <- that looks unlikely to work, because I don't think git repositories work that way; you can't have more than one branch checked out at once
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20130505 18:05:25< crimson_penguin> I guess I should clone from github to see the directory structure though
20130505 18:06:55< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: i can have those
20130505 18:07:00< Ivanovic> new-workdir is the key to this
20130505 18:07:15< crimson_penguin> really?
20130505 18:07:23< crimson_penguin> okay
20130505 18:07:26< Ivanovic> i can have the checkout itself as wesnoth-git/ and a workdir with "master" as master/ and "1.10" as 1.10/
20130505 18:07:53< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: that is the script does iterate into the folders and creates some stat files
20130505 18:08:03< crimson_penguin> okay
20130505 18:08:07< Ivanovic> and strangely the stats work now over here...
20130505 18:15:03< crimson_penguin> so wait, is there any problem then?
20130505 18:15:19< crimson_penguin> I notice there's still an "svn -q up" line in the changed version
20130505 18:15:25< crimson_penguin> for the website
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20130505 18:31:12< Soliton> crimson_penguin: website is still in svn.
20130505 18:33:16< crimson_penguin> ah, ok
20130505 18:38:20< darius42> hey guys, can anyone tell me where can debug mode options be modified? Specifically if i am to modify things mentioned in EasyCoding wiki page, since i am new to wesnoth source code and i am still learning my way around :)
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20130505 18:45:43< thunderstruck> darius42: I'm not exactly sure what do you want to do, but maybe this page will help: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DebugMode
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20130505 19:01:33< mattsc> darius42: the reason why nobody is replying might be because we don't understand what you are trying to do.  (Well, at least I don't.)  You have a better chance of getting a reply if you tell us more specifically what you want to do (maybe an example or something).
20130505 19:02:37< darius42> that page is generally about debug mode and how to enable it when running the game but what i am asking is where is the actual source code where debug mode commands are implemented
20130505 19:02:42< darius42> yeah sry, i was afk
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20130505 19:04:15< mattsc> Ah, ok, that makes sense now -- but I don't know the answer.  However, it should be pretty easy to track down by doing, say, a 'grep -ir choose_level' from the main src directory.
20130505 19:04:53< darius42> yeah, i might do that as well, thanks
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20130505 19:37:36< thunderstruck> zookeeper, fabi: how could it be possible to provide proper difficulties in mp without using defines? Would it require to implement some new WML feature or modify existing one? I'm asking because Solition suggested that it might be better to not use defines in this case.
20130505 19:38:20< thunderstruck> Soliton*
20130505 19:38:37< fabi> thunderstruck: Well, you would need to define a WML variable holding the difficulty level in some way.
20130505 19:38:43< zookeeper> thunderstruck, well, i don't think there's a lot of other possibilities than simply filling a varia... yes, that
20130505 19:39:12< fabi> But I don't agree with Soliton on the matter.
20130505 19:39:21< fabi> I would go with the old define system.
20130505 19:39:28< fabi> It is okay for difficult levels.
20130505 19:39:32< zookeeper> however, that means that the scenario WML would need to do difficulty-dependant things entirely differently than when using defines, so it's not very nice... i'd prefer a define-based solution if it can be made to work well and fast enough
20130505 19:40:11< zookeeper> preprocessing all difficulties in advance is an interesting idea, but i'd be worried about memory usage and preprocessing time of course too
20130505 19:40:45< fabi> If we parse only the campaign/scenario in question the parsing should not be a big problem.
20130505 19:41:08< fabi> And if I remember correctly the thing is only done once on the host and then send over network.
20130505 19:42:27< zookeeper> sure, if you preprocess _without_ the MULTIPLAYER symbol then i'd think it's probably ok, as long as the network code doesn't ping timeout or anything and the clients actually get some feedback (progress bar or whatever) of what's going on
20130505 19:42:34< thunderstruck> fabi, zookeeper: defines sound like a better option to me as well. The question is if it would be fast enough.
20130505 19:43:43< fabi> thunderstruck: It is fast enough currently, why should it get worse?
20130505 19:43:49< thunderstruck> zookeeper: that's true. But very big campaign might cause a problem, though.
20130505 19:44:37< zookeeper> preprocessing is fast enough when the stuff is cached, but the first time you host a game using such a campaign you'd not have it cached so it'd take longer
20130505 19:44:51< thunderstruck> fabi: I didn't say that it would get worse. Anyway, if game is parsed only by host, there should be no problems.
20130505 19:45:44< fabi> It will take the same time like starting the same as single player campaign. 
20130505 19:46:36< fabi> Most likely you can start the network communication (the one with the timeout) after the thing is processed.
20130505 19:47:30< fabi> But that information with parsing only happens at the host is old, you need to verify if it still holds.
20130505 19:48:19< thunderstruck> fabi: I thought that network communication begins when you join the lobby.
20130505 19:48:31< thunderstruck> fabi: and the game creation happens from the lobby.
20130505 19:48:37< AI0867> last time I proposed something similar, network timeouts were also a concern
20130505 19:48:41< AI0867> so I did a test
20130505 19:48:48< AI0867> and found out that timeouts are disabled
20130505 19:49:15< AI0867> if the socket dies, then the next time the server tries to ping the client, the connection will be dropped
20130505 19:49:30< AI0867> but the server does not care about whether the client bothers to respond to its pings
20130505 19:50:18< fabi> thunderstruck: I think you should just try it. LoW is big enough to cause the troubles if there are any.
20130505 19:50:18< thunderstruck> AI0867: ok. How can I test that myself? (I've got very limited knowledge about sockets, timeouts etc)
20130505 19:51:04< AI0867> I think I just dropped a 3 minute sleep() in the appropriate place (multiplayer_connect or multiplayer_something)
20130505 19:51:41< thunderstruck> fabi: by trying do you mean to quickly hack code so that I could test this?
20130505 19:51:48< fabi> yes
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20130505 19:53:02< fabi> thunderstruck: I mean, just reparse all wml content during the game creation screen.
20130505 19:53:25< thunderstruck> fabi: yes, I got it. I'll do it.
20130505 19:53:40< fabi> thunderstruck: You do not need to implement the engine doing anything useful with the result.
20130505 19:54:28< thunderstruck> fabi: hmm.. I guess calling 'load_game_cfg()' should be enough.
20130505 19:55:07< thunderstruck> fabi: although, the problem is that parsing wml depends on computer specs.
20130505 19:55:37< thunderstruck> fabi: so if it won't cause a problem with my machine, it doesn't mean it will work fine with others.
20130505 19:55:50< fabi> Indeed.
20130505 19:56:45< fabi> thunderstruck: But other applications are able to hold a connection and do other stuff in the background, I am sure it is doable. 
20130505 19:56:46< thunderstruck> fabi: would it be sensible to communicate with the server while parsing wml?
20130505 19:56:57< AI0867> so drop a big sleep in there just to be sure
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20130505 19:57:13< AI0867> we're mostly single-threaded right now
20130505 19:57:30< thunderstruck> fabi: to avoid timeouts
20130505 19:57:54< AI0867> that is, some libraries may occasionally use threads, and the server does threading, but the client works sequentially for the most part
20130505 19:59:18< fabi> thunderstruck: At least answering the pings will stop the server thinking about disconnection.
20130505 20:00:20< thunderstruck> fabi: so for the worst case scenario I could modify wml parsing so that it could answer those checks.
20130505 20:00:52< fabi> hmmm
20130505 20:02:14< thunderstruck> or would that make parsing much slower?
20130505 20:02:17< fabi> thunderstruck: Well, if the ping/pong is disabled like AI0867 told us you will not run into problems.
20130505 20:03:34< fabi> thunderstruck: Otherwise, the client could just send a short signal: "Hi Server, I am single threaded and busy right now, please don't disconnect me. I will ping you when I am ready again.".
20130505 20:05:37< fabi> thunderstruck: I guess it would make parsing not much slower. It is just that those things should not merge in the codepath.
20130505 20:05:58< thunderstruck> Ok. There is no probably no point to discuss further before I tested things AI0867 and fabi suggested. I will get back when I've tested them (probably in a day or two -- I'm busy with exams..) 
20130505 20:06:21< fabi> thunderstruck: good luck
20130505 20:06:32< thunderstruck> fabi: thanks.
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20130505 20:22:12< Soliton> so the solution to long parsing times is to put effort into coping with the long wait. maybe rewriting parts of wesnoth so they are multithreaded or have network calls in WML parsing code. sounds solid.
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