--- Log opened Sat May 18 00:00:41 2013
20130518 00:00:46< anonymissimus> probably many windows users will thank your for this
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20130518 00:01:40< anonymissimus> in multiplayer especially, this might cause players to recognize that it is their turn again much more frequently
20130518 00:02:07< anonymissimus> so that they come back and don't let the others wait so annoyingly long+
20130518 00:05:22< nurupo> anonymissimus: too bad that notifications disappear so fast and there is no indicator of missing notifications
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20130518 00:06:50< nurupo> anonymissimus: also, only one application can show notification
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20130518 00:14:36< anonymissimus> nurupo: btw there is this (currently unmaintained and broken) MSVC+cmake build system, so adding the files to cmakelists is also good
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20130518 00:17:26< nurupo> anonymissimus: but it will cause errors for people building on linux with cmake
20130518 00:17:42< nurupo> those files require windows headers
20130518 00:18:00< nurupo> or this is not a problem?
20130518 00:18:58< anonymissimus> nurupo: hm it should not if you ifdef them out
20130518 00:20:13< nurupo> anonymissimus: but functions calls, data types and structures that are used there are defined in those headers. they won't be found, which will generate errors
20130518 00:20:23< shadowm> anonymissimus: You disagree with me on what?
20130518 00:21:21< anonymissimus> shadowm: on that also existing patch threads can be turned into pull requests, since pull requests are better to work with
20130518 00:22:22< shadowm> I haven't voiced my opinion on patches vs pull requests here, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
20130518 00:22:50< anonymissimus> nurupo: quoted you but never mind
20130518 00:23:22< nurupo> shadowm: 20130514 04:20:02 http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2013/05/%23wesnoth-dev.2013-05-14.log
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20130518 00:23:47< shadowm> Oh, you mean currently active patch threads.
20130518 00:23:55< anonymissimus> yes
20130518 00:24:10< shadowm> It's just my opinion. As I said, I have no idea what's going on in the decision-making department here.
20130518 00:24:23< shadowm> Which I suspect might be for the best.
20130518 00:24:36< anonymissimus> nurupo: well, if you #ifdef out most of the header it should compile ?
20130518 00:25:17< nurupo> anonymissimus: i would have to ifdef two files completely then
20130518 00:26:31< anonymissimus> nurupo: well, yes
20130518 00:26:50< nurupo> anonymissimus: almost every function uses windows api calls, windows-defined types and structures (like NOTIFYICONDATA)
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20130518 00:31:14< nurupo> anonymissimus: so, to make sure i got it right, i should put include guards and everything between them between `#ifdef _WIN32` and `#endif`?
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20130518 00:44:03< anonymissimus> nurupo: well, don't take too serious what I'm saying, I have no say here
20130518 00:44:37< anonymissimus> but perhaps yes
20130518 00:45:39< anonymissimus> everything the causes compiler errors on Linux
20130518 00:46:04< anonymissimus> include guards don't
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20130518 01:29:01< fabi> anonymissimus: My setup gives my hundreds of Warnings for Wesnoth's source code.
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20130518 02:00:31< vultraz_laptop> [08:12]	fabi	vultraz_laptop: I just reverted your commit, it broke the dialog. If you did not check the "Automatically update map view" box and leave the dialog, the change was not applied. 
20130518 02:00:46< vultraz_laptop> That doesn't happen here :/
20130518 02:01:01< vultraz_laptop> unless I'm not doing what you did
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20130518 02:02:51< vultraz_laptop> fabi: oh, are you refering to custom lighting settings?
20130518 02:05:03< vultraz_laptop> fabi: if so, then yeah, that happens here
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20130518 02:09:09< vultraz_laptop> shikadibot: !log cde6d074
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20130518 02:32:10< vultraz_laptop> shikadibot: log fa3e6d13b32402af5ef02e8156b746593d7434f5
20130518 02:32:19< shikadibot> vultraz_laptop: Revision fa3e6d (Ignacio R. Morelle) on Wed Mar 21 08:23:30 2012:
20130518 02:32:22< shikadibot> vultraz_laptop: gui2/teditor_settings: Use a cheaper, less CPU-intensive solution...
20130518 02:32:25< shikadibot> vultraz_laptop:  
20130518 02:32:28< shikadibot> vultraz_laptop: ...to refresh tiles after changing ToD settings
20130518 02:32:31< shikadibot> vultraz_laptop: (+7 discarded lines)
20130518 02:32:33< shikadibot> vultraz_laptop: Web interface URL: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/fa3e6d
20130518 02:34:50< shadowm> Is it really so hard to use git show -p <refspec> there?
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20130518 03:59:58< vultraz> damn, no mordante
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20130518 04:57:11< fabi> shadowm: hello
20130518 04:57:25< fabi> shadowm: Did you have time to take a look at the editor?
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20130518 05:00:21< fabi> Ivanovic: morning :-)
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20130518 05:07:22< vultraz> fabi: perhaps you can help me with the editor settings issues?
20130518 05:07:35< fabi> vultraz: Yes sure.
20130518 05:08:09< fabi> vultraz: I guess we should check if the user changed the settings and if we use the old method, if not your new codepath.
20130518 05:08:40< fabi> vultraz: For example, we could just check if the user did unlock the named checkbox to decide what to do.
20130518 05:10:19< fabi> vultraz: But I do not get what shadowm meant with his <refspec> comment. Maybe that is a valuable hint.
20130518 05:10:53< fabi> vultraz: Still, that dialog will have another function in the futer.
20130518 05:10:55< fabi> future
20130518 05:11:11< fabi> vultraz: I do not need a special "editor settings" dialog any longer.
20130518 05:12:00< fabi> vultraz: The only thing that is not TOD related in this dialog is the "allow multiple maps to be open simultaneously" one.
20130518 05:13:01< fabi> vultraz: This can easily be moved to the main preferences or discarded with the "options are bad" argument. ( There is no real reason to disable multiple maps in my opinion)
20130518 05:13:36< fabi> vultraz: The rest of the dialog will transform into an "Time of Day Schedule Creator" dialog.
20130518 05:13:40< vultraz> fabi: I agree, multiple maps should be default
20130518 05:13:58< fabi> vultraz: It is the default. The question is if we need the option.
20130518 05:14:55< vultraz> I say no
20130518 05:16:16< vultraz> It's an option probably no one uses
20130518 05:16:23< vultraz> Serves no purpose
20130518 05:17:06< fabi> vultraz: Indeed maybe a poll brings some insights. I will start one at the forum.
20130518 05:18:05< vultraz> Alright
20130518 05:19:03< vultraz> fabi: RE the new functions for that window, I assume you'll want to remove the TOD presets section, and just keep the sliders, with an option to Save the TOD, after which it will appear in the TOD list?
20130518 05:19:35< vultraz> probably should also have the dialog accessible from the TOD list as well. "Create new schedule"
20130518 05:23:02< fabi> vultraz: Well, whenever you open the dialog it will start with the current time of day schedule, allowing to start with a known base.
20130518 05:23:30< fabi> vultraz: It needs options like "Add new Time of Day" and "Remove Current Time".
20130518 05:24:07< fabi> vultraz: id, translated name and every other attribute of a [time] tag needs to be adjustable.
20130518 05:25:15< fabi> vultraz: If you leave the dialogue with the "OK" button, a now dialoag will ask the user for an id that is bound to the new Time of Day Schedule.
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20130518 05:32:06< fabi> vultraz: By the way, it is about 5 o'clock in the morning. I never saw mordante in here at that time.
20130518 05:32:27< fabi> vultraz: He lives in the same time zone iirc.
20130518 05:32:28< Yukiria> god damn my connection...
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20130518 05:33:31< vultraz> ah
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20130518 05:34:09< _8680_> vultraz: What you may have missed: <http://dpaste.org/FdWNY/>.
20130518 05:34:30< vultraz> got the logs, but thanks :)
20130518 05:35:06< _8680_> Oh, right. I forgot about the official logs.
20130518 05:36:20< vultraz> fabi: reason I'm doing this is I'd like to get a little more experience with C++
20130518 05:36:55< fabi> vultraz: Sure, I would leave the dialog to you and help where you need it. We just need to agree on an agenda.
20130518 05:38:09< vultraz> as a dev, not knowing C++ is...weird
20130518 05:38:27< fabi> vultraz: Well, I started as a pure WML dev as well.
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20130518 05:44:56< vultraz> gahhhhhh
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20130518 05:46:01< vultraz_laptop> fabi: alright, I'll see what I can do with the dialog
20130518 05:46:33< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Start simple, add another button to remove and one to add a time of day.
20130518 05:47:38< fabi> vultraz_laptop: I will modifiy the rest to start the dialog with the currently selected dialog.
20130518 05:49:37< vultraz_laptop> fabi: can I remove the buttons for Custom Lighting and Auto Update Map View?
20130518 05:50:15< vultraz_laptop> first because custom tods is what the dialog will be for, and the second because it seems to make sense for that to be the default
20130518 05:55:07< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Yes, that was what I wanted to suggest next :-)
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20130518 06:05:31< vultraz_laptop> fabi: also, where's the definition for the Menu menu and TOD menu? I'd like to move the dialog trigger from the former to the latter
20130518 06:06:10< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Sorry, didn't get that last sentence.
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20130518 06:07:53< vultraz_laptop> right now you get to the dialog via Menu -> Editor Settings. I'd like to move it to the TOD menu int he upper right -> Create New ToD
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20130518 06:12:18< fabi> vultraz_laptop: The menu contents are defined in data/theme/editor.cfg
20130518 06:17:18< shadowm> No, I haven't checked out the editor.
20130518 06:18:01< shadowm> Incidentally, it's not clear in your poll whether removing the option also means removing the functionality.
20130518 06:19:41< vultraz_laptop> it should
20130518 06:20:01< vultraz_laptop> it's useless functionality 
20130518 06:20:06< shadowm> No, it's not useless.
20130518 06:20:11< vultraz_laptop> Why?
20130518 06:20:15< shadowm> AtS was brought to you thanks to that functionality.
20130518 06:20:48< vultraz_laptop> ..?
20130518 06:21:16< shadowm> e.g. I produced the map for E2S8 by having the IftU S2 map open at the same time, copying and pasting stuff, comparing after some edits, etc.
20130518 06:21:30< vultraz_laptop> yes....
20130518 06:21:30< fabi> shadowm: No, read the poll carefully.
20130518 06:21:33< shadowm> And that's just a minor example compared to other maps where I needed to keep more references open.
20130518 06:21:38< vultraz_laptop> and...that's the default setting
20130518 06:21:54< shadowm> vultraz_laptop: It sounds like you didn't read my statement very well.
20130518 06:21:55< vultraz_laptop> and it's useful..so why should there be functionality to turn it off
20130518 06:22:02< shadowm> "[...] whether removing the option also means removing the functionality.
20130518 06:22:17< shadowm> The option as oppposed to the functionality it controls.
20130518 06:22:38< vultraz_laptop> ohh nvm
20130518 06:22:51< fabi> The poll wants to know if you ever disable the multiple maps feature.
20130518 06:23:01< fabi> Just answer that and everything will be fine.
20130518 06:23:41< fabi> I do not, and I don't see a reason to do so.
20130518 06:25:13< shadowm> I don't really know why ilor made it an option in the first place either.
20130518 06:25:37< fabi> shadowm: Indeed.
20130518 06:27:11< shadowm> It would be nice if the topic's subject was a little more indicative, by the way.
20130518 06:28:12< shadowm> I guessed it had something to do with the editor because I know that's what's going on here 90% of the time as of late, but more than half the community has no idea about the channel.
20130518 06:29:16< shadowm> Or the Git repository, for that matter.
20130518 06:36:00< fabi> shadowm: Yes, I updated the poll.
20130518 06:40:58< fabi> shadowm: By the way, I really would like to know your opinion about the current state of the editor. It has been a long time since you gave me any feedback. Not that LordBob is not a good teammate when it comes to gui design, still I like to hear your voice as well.
20130518 06:41:09< shadowm> Hm: http://pastebin.com/sg5Pdrtp
20130518 06:41:39< fabi> shadowm: I had the same problem. Make a scons -c and rebuild everything.
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20130518 06:42:43< shadowm> Doesn't help, since it's not a linker issue.
20130518 06:43:18< shadowm> Should I also reset the ccache cache? (I'd rather not but...)
20130518 06:44:36< fabi> shadowm: Wait, let me rebuild current master and see what happens.
20130518 06:46:50< shadowm> I don't think I even understand what gcc is complaining about.
20130518 06:47:04< fabi> shadowm: Current master compiles fine with strict=true and build=debug. All targets, wesnoth, wesnothd and test. I guess the cache cleaning might be an option. My scons wasn't able to cope with current master without a clean rebuild.
20130518 06:47:06< vultraz_laptop> current master builds forme
20130518 06:47:19< fabi> shadowm: Yes, the error is nonsense.
20130518 06:47:38< shadowm> Okay, cleared, trying again.
20130518 06:47:42< shadowm> Didn't work.
20130518 06:48:05< fabi> gcc --version
20130518 06:48:06< fabi> gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.3-1ubuntu1) 4.7.3
20130518 06:48:10< shadowm> I guess I'll just remove all the additional warning options from my configuration.
20130518 06:48:21< shadowm> 4.7.2 here.
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20130518 06:50:35< shadowm> Yes, the thing is... I haven't really done anything with Wesnoth for a while.
20130518 06:50:42< shadowm> Kind of became allergic to it again.
20130518 06:51:48< fabi> Oh, that happens from time to time. Just take your brake if you need it. I do not want to force you into anything.
20130518 06:52:03< vultraz_laptop> fabi: in editor.cfg, under items=, the dialog is listed as "editor-settings". How can I rename that?
20130518 06:52:31< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Have a look in hotkeys.cpp. You will find the string in there.
20130518 06:55:08< shadowm> Oh wait, you are using the bottom tooltip mechanism as a makeshift status bar?
20130518 06:55:47< fabi> shadowm: Yes, it would be totally annoying in the game, but I thought it is acceptable in the editor.
20130518 06:55:51< vultraz_laptop> fabi: so if I just rename it to
20130518 06:55:52< vultraz_laptop> { hotkey::HOTKEY_EDITOR_CUSTOM_TOD, "custom-tod", N_("Custom Schedule"), false, hotkey::SCOPE_EDITOR, NULL },
20130518 06:55:55< vultraz_laptop> it should be ok?
20130518 06:56:04< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Yes, that will work.
20130518 06:56:49< shadowm> fabi: Okay...
20130518 06:56:58< shadowm> The zooming functionality just appears to have glitched for me.
20130518 06:57:10< fabi> shadowm: But I am all open for alternatives.
20130518 06:57:43< fabi> shadowm: Really, I spend a lot time to make it working. It is the slider that malfunctions?
20130518 06:57:54< shadowm> I zoomed in a lot, then reset to default and... the mouse pointer is leaving trails of glitchy hexes all over the map.
20130518 06:58:15< shadowm> Although the glitchy hexes appear to actually be the currently selected terrain in the palette.
20130518 06:58:39< shadowm> It stops glitching if I select a new terrain from the palette, in fact.
20130518 06:59:04< fabi> shadowm: Ah yes. I can reproduce it. Let me see...
20130518 07:00:05< vultraz_laptop> oh, I also have to add it to the hotkey:: namespace
20130518 07:00:07< shadowm> The terrain category selection menu isn't dismissed if I click on it within the same rectangle (relative to the overall screen surface) where the dropdown button that brought it up is located.
20130518 07:01:07< vultraz_laptop> whoop, big recompile 
20130518 07:01:42< shadowm> I thought it was clicking the first/currently selected menu option that worked especially, but it turns out it's just the button's rectangle (a tiny subset of the menu option's rectangle) that seems to handle that event differently.
20130518 07:03:13< shadowm> The 'obstacle' terrain category's icon is colored when inactive for some reason, which is inconsistent with every other icon.
20130518 07:04:17< shadowm> Although I suppose that might be LordBob's thing? Its color is actually more saturated when it is active.
20130518 07:04:52< shadowm> Also, the toolbar tooltips say "Hotkey(s)" always. You know you could get the option's hotkey count and use gettext plurals to choose between "Hotkey" and "Hotkeys", right?
20130518 07:05:28< fabi> shadowm: Yes, LordBob liked the obstacles being red by default.
20130518 07:05:29< shadowm> The _n() macro is our shorthand for gettext plurals in C++.
20130518 07:06:33< fabi> shadowm: I do not really get the statement with the dismissing and the rectangle. The menu is just a normal menu, it should behave like every other.
20130518 07:06:57< fabi> shadowm: Yes, I can get rid of the (s) if wanted.
20130518 07:07:03< shadowm> Yeah, but some reason that particular rectangle behaves differently.
20130518 07:07:53< fabi> shadowm: How can I reproduce the rectangle issue?
20130518 07:08:41< shadowm> Hm.
20130518 07:08:55< shadowm> I think you need to have as many menu items as I do, as well as the same window size and location. :/
20130518 07:10:15< fabi> shadowm: Uh, sounds like it is something deep in gui1.
20130518 07:10:34< fabi> shadowm: That one scares me, is it grave?
20130518 07:11:06< shadowm> No, and it's actually mostly the same behavior as regular menu buttons, except that regular menu buttons still produce a sound when clicking on them when the menu is currently active.
20130518 07:11:16< shadowm> And that said, where did you get the menu button behavior from?
20130518 07:11:44< shadowm> The thing were the menu is displayed again if you click on the button while the menu is active, instead of just dismissing it.
20130518 07:12:43< shadowm> *where
20130518 07:17:25< fabi> shadowm: I guess that is a side effect of making the menu button "turbo" type ones. I like them being turbo, following gtk and qt and most others. I try to get rid of the named behavior.
20130518 07:18:40< shadowm> Hm.
20130518 07:19:07< shadowm> But dropdown buttons/combo boxes/menubar items do not behave like that for me using Gtk+, Qt 4, or Windows here.
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20130518 07:20:55< fabi> shadowm: I mean the "turbo" feature. It means the menu is opened at press down, not at button release, and that is common in modern guis.
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20130518 07:21:59< shadowm> I just set the Gtk+ 2 engine to the unthemed default, started the GIMP, and opened a menu by clicking on its corresponding menu bar item.
20130518 07:22:07< shadowm> If I click on the menu bar item again, the menu is dismissed.
20130518 07:22:31< shadowm> This is not what happens in Wesnoth -- the menu is simply reopened immediately.
20130518 07:22:46< fabi> shadowm: Agreed, I try to keep the "turbo" feature while fixing the reopening instead of closing.
20130518 07:23:10< shadowm> You tried, or you are currently trying?
20130518 07:24:56< fabi> shadowm: I will try when the issue is the first on my TODO :-)
20130518 07:27:41< vultraz> damn, made a stupid typo and now have to recompile all over again >_>
20130518 07:29:26< _8680_> vultraz, do you have ccache?
20130518 07:29:41< vultraz> _8680_: installed it via macports the other day
20130518 07:29:51< _8680_> Are you using it?
20130518 07:30:06< vultraz> no im using xcode
20130518 07:30:28< vultraz> not cmake or scons
20130518 07:30:55< _8680_> I would assume that XCode can be made to use ccache.
20130518 07:31:13< vultraz> what's it do?
20130518 07:31:41< _8680_> Caches compiled source documents, so you needn’t compile them again unless you change them.
20130518 07:32:25< vultraz> yes, xcode does only compiles changed files. the problem is that hotkeys.hpp is included in over 200 files
20130518 07:32:36< _8680_> Oh, it’s a header.
20130518 07:32:59< _8680_> Hm, I didn’t know that XCode has that built in.
20130518 07:33:11< _8680_> Well, never mind then.
20130518 07:36:01< shadowm> It'd take a very crappy IDE to not have that as a built-in default.
20130518 07:36:33< _8680_> It didn’t when I used it.
20130518 07:36:46< shadowm> fabi: Yeah, the thing is that the turbo button behavior is perfectly acceptable (and in fact required) for scrollbar buttons, but it doesn't quite fit dropdown menu buttons.
20130518 07:37:13< shadowm> So it'd have to be another special case.
20130518 07:38:54< fabi> shadowm: It needs to be a mixture between checkbox and turbo.
20130518 07:39:12< shadowm> Re the tooltip as a status bar of sorts... it works fine on my 1920x1080 screen, but if I resize the window to 800x600 it becomes noticeably crowded.
20130518 07:39:45< shadowm> I am also not sure how I would translate "FG" and "BG" if I were to work on the Spanish translation for those strings.
20130518 07:40:05< shadowm> Er, not that anyone here cares since nobody else speaks Spanish in this channel.
20130518 07:40:41< fabi> shadowm: The font size should be reduced if it does not fit any more, that works for me. Adding some comment for translators that BG is background and FG foreground should be enough?
20130518 07:41:26< shadowm> Yes, the meaning in English is obvious to me.
20130518 07:41:31< vultraz_laptop> jesus, i'm stupid...
20130518 07:41:51< shadowm> What I mean is that I don't think using two-letter abbreviations would work in Spanish.
20130518 07:42:07< shadowm> But yeah, I forgot about the tooltip font scaling thing, so never mind.
20130518 07:42:29< vultraz_laptop> oh, actually, I'm not
20130518 07:42:40< shadowm> vultraz_laptop: Debatable. ;)
20130518 07:42:49< vultraz_laptop> :P
20130518 07:43:10< fabi> :-)
20130518 07:44:11< fabi> shadowm: I think the BG and FG can just vanish. A user should get what the help string is trying to tell.
20130518 07:45:00< vultraz_laptop> fabi: what do I do with all these references to "editor settings" in editor/editor_controller.cpp?
20130518 07:45:10< vultraz_laptop> like void editor_controller::editor_settings_dialog()
20130518 07:45:22< vultraz_laptop> rename?
20130518 07:45:50< vultraz_laptop> (also, looks like I found what was causing the entire interface to redraw)
20130518 07:46:04< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Yes, but the name is not related to the name in hotkeys.cpp.
20130518 07:46:19< vultraz_laptop> then what is it related to 
20130518 07:47:13< shadowm> Do 'local' tooltips (i.e. the ones that display around the trigger location, such as those for toolbar buttons) support Pango markup?
20130518 07:47:35< fabi> shadowm: yes
20130518 07:49:25< shadowm> I see incorrect capitalization going on in the village tool's tooltip.
20130518 07:49:39< shadowm> "Needs a defined Side." -> should be "Needs a defined side."
20130518 07:49:51< shadowm> Same for the unit tool's tooltip.
20130518 07:51:01< fabi> shadowm: noted.
20130518 07:52:00< fabi> vultraz_laptop: The method names are not related to anything. Their names can be chosen at will.
20130518 07:52:11< shadowm> And I presume the unit manipulation stuff is still unfinished?
20130518 07:52:13< vultraz_laptop> ah ok
20130518 07:52:30< fabi> shadowm: loyal is not working, the rest should be fine.
20130518 07:52:55< fabi> shadowm: Well, there can be more adjustable stuff, of course.
20130518 07:53:53< shadowm> Okay, so what I am getting is that as is I should be able to create a new map in the editor, assign it the post-Fall schedule, create some sides, place some units, and then that'll work if I create a new MP game iht that map?
20130518 07:54:12< shadowm> *with that map.
20130518 07:54:16< vultraz_laptop> if(!gui2::teditor_settings::execute(&(gui()), tods_["test"].second, gui().video())) { 
20130518 07:54:28< vultraz_laptop> where's gui2::teditor_settings come from?
20130518 07:54:47< fabi> shadowm: Indeed, the only thing you need to do manually is adding some no_leader=yes attributes.
20130518 07:54:56< shadowm> vultraz: src/gui/dialogs/editor_settings.?pp
20130518 07:55:07< _8680_> vultraz_laptop: Command-click on an identifier to go to its definition.
20130518 07:55:24< _8680_> (Definition or declaration, I don’t remember which.)
20130518 07:55:36< vultraz_laptop> class teditor_settings : public tdialog ?
20130518 07:55:36< shadowm> fabi: Hm, why is that?
20130518 07:55:40< shadowm> vultraz_laptop: Yes.
20130518 07:56:02< fabi> shadowm: Because every unit goes into a [unit] tag. WML expects the tag if you do not have a type= at [side] toplevel.
20130518 07:56:52< fabi> s/expects the tag/expects the attribute no_leader=yes
20130518 07:57:20< shadowm> Why every side in the Side menu is listed as "[<number>] (New Side)"? Missing side labeling functionality?
20130518 07:57:48< fabi> Yes, that is one of my next issues on the TODO.
20130518 07:58:12< shadowm> I presume the Areas button that's teasing me atm is also one of those pending issues.
20130518 07:58:35< fabi> Well, the area is already working to a certain degree.
20130518 07:58:45< fabi> If you have a selection it can be used.
20130518 07:58:52< shadowm> Oh, right. That isn't obvious.
20130518 07:59:32< shadowm> I see that's also missing labeling functionality.
20130518 07:59:48< fabi> Indeed.
20130518 07:59:51< shadowm> So wait, this is just defining time areas?
20130518 08:00:03< fabi> It defines time areas.
20130518 08:00:11< fabi> But ones with no times at default.
20130518 08:00:24< fabi> Assigning a special time schedule to them is optional.
20130518 08:00:45< shadowm> I thought you were going to implement named regions that could be used in SLFs more easily than the cumbersome x,y list approach.
20130518 08:00:56< fabi> Still the areas can be used in SLF and thus addressed in event coding. This is not commited yet but I have a working prototype.
20130518 08:02:33< fabi> shadowm: The [time_area] tag is offering everything I need, thus I do not want to introduce a new tag that is exactly the same but without the time schedule option.
20130518 08:03:00< shadowm> Hm.
20130518 08:03:37< vultraz_laptop> god dammit textwrangler stop freezing when I try to save a file
20130518 08:03:39< shadowm> That makes sense from an engineering perspective. It's kind of odd to have a [time_area] without an associated ToD schedule though.
20130518 08:03:51< shadowm> Since it's named time_area.
20130518 08:04:26< shadowm> Also, I don't see anything on the matter of filtering time_area locations in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/StandardLocationFilter .
20130518 08:04:58< fabi>  <fabi> Still the areas can be used in SLF and thus addressed in event coding. This is not commited yet but I have a working prototype.
20130518 08:05:12< shadowm> Ah, not comimitted, okay.
20130518 08:05:20< shadowm> committed.
20130518 08:05:38< fabi> That is not a big deal, I have had harder tasks behind me.
20130518 08:06:08< fabi> And I agree on the oddness of the [time_area] tag name.
20130518 08:06:18< fabi> Still I do not know a good solution.
20130518 08:07:01< shadowm> Renaming the tag for generalization purposes could be one.
20130518 08:07:14< shadowm> e.g. [time_area] -> [area]
20130518 08:07:21< fabi> shadowm: Maybe we keep both for compatability reasons?
20130518 08:07:50< shadowm> Naturally you'd have to keep the old tag around for an amount of time (versions) for compatibility, yes.
20130518 08:08:14< fabi> Okay, fine. I will do so.
20130518 08:08:42< shadowm> Although I am not sure what current practice in that regard is anymore. I remember someone complaining that renamed WML features should be kept for another stable series or something.
20130518 08:09:04< shadowm> It used to be we'd phase out that kind of thing after two or three dev versions instead.
20130518 08:10:13< fabi> I guess having [time_area] and [area] around at the same time isn't a big deal. I don't mind how long we keep the old tag working.
20130518 08:10:24< shadowm> Also, wmllint at least knows about time_area in order to make an exception for its id attribute (otherwise it complains about a nonexistent unit id), so that's a thing to update too.
20130518 08:10:53< shadowm> It should be easy to find the rule and extend it to another tag name.
20130518 08:11:20< fabi> unit id?
20130518 08:12:04< shadowm> Yeah.
20130518 08:13:33< shadowm> wmllint normally tries to locate references to units which haven't been created yet in a scenario (assuming things, as usual). So it has a rule to ignore tags with an id= attribute that do not actually describe any units.
20130518 08:13:47< fabi> oh
20130518 08:13:49< shadowm> time_area, sound_source, etc.
20130518 08:13:50< fabi> I see.
20130518 08:14:05< vultraz_laptop> alright, finally compiling again >_>
20130518 08:14:05< fabi> But id is already a known tag in [time_area]
20130518 08:14:08< vultraz_laptop> \
20130518 08:14:32< fabi> since ages
20130518 08:14:33< shadowm> Yeah, hence you'd need to add [area] to that list.
20130518 08:14:38< fabi> Ah yes.
20130518 08:15:24< shadowm> Hm, there's no way to set a unit's facing in the editor yet?
20130518 08:15:58< vultraz_laptop> shadowm: how do I rename a file in git?
20130518 08:16:43< fabi> shadowm: No, there was one in my prototype. A drag and drop action with the right mouse button. That is occupied by the context menu now. But I will bring back the feature.
20130518 08:17:10< shadowm> fabi: Also, using File -> Save Map As opens the File menu again after dismissing the dialog.
20130518 08:17:36< shadowm> Or more specifically, after actually saving the map. Canceling the dialog doesn't reopen the menu.
20130518 08:17:41< fabi> shadowm: uh. Let me fix that immediately.
20130518 08:17:59< shadowm> And the Save item is missing.
20130518 08:19:26< shadowm> Okay, so I need to edit the generated .cfg to add the no_leader=yes attributes?
20130518 08:19:57< shadowm> The MP Create Game dialog sure is helpful by just showing "Error" as a hint.
20130518 08:19:58< fabi> shadowm: Yes, then just use the normal include mechanism in a file where you do the event scripting.
20130518 08:20:39< fabi> shadowm: That is only temporary, the final thing will produce files that work out of the box.
20130518 08:20:39< shadowm> wmllint will need to handle that. :p
20130518 08:20:54< _8680_> vultraz_laptop: `git mv`?
20130518 08:21:11< _8680_> vultraz_laptop: And remember to not mv and edit a file in the same commit.
20130518 08:21:54< shadowm> The editor aso provides a very unhelpful message if I attempt to open the .map.cfg file instead of the .map file.
20130518 08:22:15< fabi> Save map as opens the menu dialog again, that is the issue?
20130518 08:22:25< shadowm> Yes, if you click on OK.
20130518 08:22:32< fabi> Okay.
20130518 08:22:59< fabi> Please open the map file for know, it will read the corresponding cfg file automatically.
20130518 08:24:32< shadowm> Okay, so in order to use a map I created with units and all for an MP game I do need to create a proper scenario file myself?
20130518 08:25:36< shadowm> Including the file the editor created in it.
20130518 08:25:56< fabi> Yes, for the time being. This is also true for SP scenarios. I am still trying to figure out a mechanism to make things easier.
20130518 08:27:41< fabi> The editor shall be usable for both, creating SP and MP scenarios.
20130518 08:29:01< shadowm> Okay, so I created a barebones scenario for MP, but upon starting a game I only see my leader units.
20130518 08:29:08< shadowm> I had created a lot of non-leader units too.
20130518 08:29:43< fabi> shadowm: That is new to me. Do you see the units in the cfg file?
20130518 08:29:47< shadowm> They still appear in the editor if I open the map again.
20130518 08:29:54< fabi> okay
20130518 08:29:57< fabi> strange
20130518 08:30:26< fabi> any error messages?
20130518 08:31:41< shadowm> No.
20130518 08:31:55< shadowm> I just discovered that it only happens when using the Shuffle Sides option when creating the game.
20130518 08:32:25< fabi> Uh, that must be a bug in the engine, unrelated to my editor work.
20130518 08:32:31< shadowm> And more specifically, when the units belong to a side that has been shuffled.
20130518 08:32:50< fabi> Please fill a bug report for it.
20130518 08:33:32< shadowm> The thing about filing bug reports for this kind of thing is that I must provide a test case.
20130518 08:33:58< fabi> Well, isn't the editor producing one, without much work?
20130518 08:34:10< shadowm> Yes, but that brings me to the next point.
20130518 08:34:31< shadowm> The editor stores a lot of state for individual units in the .cfg file.
20130518 08:34:41< fabi> The output is not very compact.
20130518 08:35:04< fabi> But that has advantages. 
20130518 08:35:13< fabi> The unit is self containing. 
20130518 08:35:30< fabi> The scenario works without the [unit_types] being around.
20130518 08:35:39< shadowm> It does?
20130518 08:35:46< fabi> I hope so.
20130518 08:35:58< shadowm> Uh.
20130518 08:36:16< shadowm> I don't remember whether unit spawning has changed, but ISTR the game needs a registered unit type.
20130518 08:36:48< fabi> Well, reducing the output is not a big issue.
20130518 08:36:50< shadowm> And that it tends to ignore half of the stuff that could possibly be provided in the [unit] tag.
20130518 08:37:08< shadowm> Even if it _doesn't_ ignore it, it could be a problem later on if the unit type changes while the map file doesn't.
20130518 08:37:28< fabi> Yes, advancing to another type is an issue.
20130518 08:37:35< shadowm> For example, if we were to change the stats for any of these mainline units I have in this test map for balancing purposes.
20130518 08:38:02< fabi> I guess I will reduce the unit output to a bare minimum.
20130518 08:38:27< shadowm> Ideally you'd only just store attributes that have been manually overridden by the map maker, yeah.
20130518 08:38:35< fabi> Indeed.
20130518 08:39:34< vultraz> ok finally seems to be building fine
20130518 08:40:12< shadowm> The [unit] thing also applies to [side].
20130518 08:40:33< fabi> yes
20130518 08:40:34< shadowm> The [ai] tag is especially painful to look at in its fully resolved form.
20130518 08:40:42< fabi> true
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20130518 08:53:31< Ivanovic> moin
20130518 08:57:04< _8680_> Can a type= attribute in an attack filter be a comma-separated list?
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20130518 09:04:32< _8680_> I retract my latest query, having read the source (it can).
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20130518 09:34:13< fabi> Ivanovic: hi
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20130518 10:03:57< vultraz_laptop> fabi: I'm trying to "current_tod_image_->set_image(get_selected_tod().image);" but I get an "member access into incomplete type gui2::timage"
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20130518 10:07:16< fabi> vultraz_laptop: You need to #include the header of where gui2::timage is defined.
20130518 10:07:40< fabi> s/of where/in which
20130518 10:12:17< vultraz> gui/widgets.image?
20130518 10:12:22< vultraz> s/.//
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20130518 10:18:24< vultraz_laptop> ugh.. "Mandatory widget "current_tod" hasn't been defined"
20130518 10:20:02< vultraz_laptop> oh, I was asserting a non existant widget
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20130518 10:32:34< vultraz_laptop> fabi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95558676/custom_tod_dialog_v1.png
20130518 10:32:47< vultraz_laptop> (the buttons don't do anything yet)
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20130518 10:45:21< vultraz_laptop> fabi: may I commit that, and you can add the functions to the buttons?
20130518 10:45:24< irker198> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master af45d7 / src/game_preferences.cpp: Fix some compiler warnings. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/af45d7550166ba8ae4211b8f1308e82067274a7b
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20130518 16:10:12< vultraz> fabi?
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20130518 16:18:26< vultraz> zullo mattsc 
20130518 16:19:19< mattsc> hi vultraz 
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20130518 17:04:19< fabi> vultraz: pong
20130518 17:05:14< vultraz> fabi: did you get the screenshot?
20130518 17:06:13< fabi> vultraz: Yes, looks promising.
20130518 17:06:33< vultraz> fabi: should I commit what I have?
20130518 17:07:47< fabi> vultraz: No, it's still too unfinished.
20130518 17:08:42< fabi> vultraz: Imagine someone disabled the multiple maps feature. Without the option being removed he won't be able to enable it again.
20130518 17:10:26< vultraz_laptop> fabi: ok, so do you want me to finish it locally?
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20130518 17:11:03< fatih> hello everyone
20130518 17:12:02< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Yes
20130518 17:12:30< vultraz_laptop> fabi: ok, so besides the buttons, what do you want me to implament
20130518 17:12:45< fatih> I would like to request/propose a feature if it is allowed
20130518 17:13:02< fabi> fatih: hi, what do you suggest?
20130518 17:15:05< fatih> is it possible to implement a system to the add on section that will check and mark the add-ons you have already downloaded in the list, and when you try to download them anyway -and if you have the latest version of that addon- the system prevents you from downloading again and informs you about the situvation.
20130518 17:15:36< fatih> because in current system, it is perfectly possible to download a addon you have at latest version again and again
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20130518 17:16:46< fabi> fatih: Have you tried the current development version? shadowm gave the dialog some love.
20130518 17:16:50< vultraz_laptop> fabi: I was going to let you deal with the button functions
20130518 17:17:01< vultraz_laptop> but i can try if you want
20130518 17:17:54< fabi> vultraz_laptop: No, you can them yourself. It is no black magic. The tods should be stored in a vector, I guess they are already. Vectors are no black magic, just add a new one into it and remove the item in question with the other button.
20130518 17:18:19< fabi> s/can them/can handle them
20130518 17:19:01< fabi> vultraz_laptop: And please bring back the "4/6" label.
20130518 17:19:12< fabi> vultraz_laptop: This was useful.
20130518 17:19:20< vultraz_laptop> hm...ok
20130518 17:19:42< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Also bring back the name of the current select tod, but make it an editable text field.
20130518 17:24:32< fatih> fabi: No I have not, I am curently using the Portable Apps version. So this feature is implemented in current dev version ?
20130518 17:24:39< vultraz_laptop> fabi: what other fields should there be?
20130518 17:26:12< fabi> fatih: Well, maybe not exactly like you propose but I guess it is not a good idea to talk about the deprecated version of the dialog.
20130518 17:26:32< vultraz_laptop> fabi: only title?
20130518 17:26:54< fabi> vultraz_laptop: We need everything the [time] tag features, let's see...
20130518 17:27:31< vultraz_laptop> fabi: ok looking at the wiki
20130518 17:28:02< fabi> vultraz_laptop: id and name, both need to be editable text fields.
20130518 17:28:27< fabi> vultraz_laptop: The image can be a button, pressing it will open a file dialog to select the image.
20130518 17:28:58< fabi> vultraz_laptop: lawful_bonus is best presented by a slider.
20130518 17:29:29< fabi> vultraz_laptop: we already have the red, green and blue.
20130518 17:29:55< fabi> vultraz_laptop: sound can be handled similar to image.
20130518 17:30:08< vultraz_laptop> fabi: is it possible to hack together something with a listbox widget to make the image look like it's clickable?
20130518 17:31:18< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Hmmm, I can't imagine how this would look or work. 
20130518 17:31:38< vultraz_laptop> or maybe I'll just have a button, and after you select an image the image widget is updated?
20130518 17:31:48< fabi> yes
20130518 17:32:00< vultraz_laptop> ok
20130518 17:32:06< vultraz_laptop> dunno how best to do sound...
20130518 17:32:20< vultraz_laptop> maybe have a label with the sound name?
20130518 17:32:44< fabi> Yeah, and a "Change" button to trigger the file selection dialog.
20130518 17:33:20< vultraz_laptop> i was just thinking of a button labeled Sound
20130518 17:33:34< fabi> okay
20130518 17:33:39< vultraz_laptop> next to which would be the sound name
20130518 17:34:04< vultraz_laptop> fabi: what about mask?
20130518 17:34:22< fabi> vultraz_laptop: same as image
20130518 17:34:32< vultraz_laptop> ok
20130518 17:34:52< vultraz_laptop> well, lemme get started
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20130518 18:14:54< vultraz_laptop> fabi: does set_label work with textboxes?
20130518 18:15:31< fabi> vultraz_laptop: No idea. Look in the header of the textbox class.
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20130518 18:22:55< vultraz_laptop> fabi: what would I put in the constructor for the lawful bonus slider? , &preferences::editor::lawful_bonus, &preferences::editor::set_lawful_bonus)) doesn't work
20130518 18:25:10< fabi> vultraz_laptop: slider.hpp tells me that the constructor does not take any arguments.
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20130518 19:05:49< vultraz_laptop> fabi: widget placing: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95558676/custom_tod_dialog_v2.png
20130518 19:06:41< fabi> vultraz_laptop: fine :-)
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20130518 19:29:25< irker840> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 9cf610 / src/hotkeys.cpp: Spell fix. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/9cf610ae8bae206f9225f4c8d0869b31bbbe52f0
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20130518 19:34:45< vultraz_laptop> gr...can't figure out how to write text to a textbox
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20130518 19:39:27< fabi> vultraz_laptop: void set_value(const std::string& text);
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20130518 19:48:38< vultraz_laptop> fabi: I need to include the textbob header right?
20130518 19:49:39< fabi> yes
20130518 19:49:40< vultraz_laptop> textbox
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20130518 20:10:00< vultraz_laptop> fabi: is this valid syntax?
20130518 20:10:01< vultraz_laptop> current_tod_sound_->set_label(get_selected_tod().sound) or set_label(std::string _"None");
20130518 20:13:10< vultraz_laptop> or can I say...
20130518 20:13:20< vultraz_laptop> current_tod_sound_->set_label(get_selected_tod().sound or std::string _"None");
20130518 20:13:21< vultraz_laptop> ?
20130518 20:15:05< thunderstruck> fabi, if the 'recruit' was specified in mp scenario is it possible to override it by faction's recruit list?
20130518 20:16:48< vultraz_laptop> fabi: er..maybe it's the wrong solution... on compile I get an error saying "const struct time_of_day has no member named 'sound'" (same thing with mask, too)
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20130518 20:20:02< fabi> vultraz_laptop: look into time_of_day.hpp they are called "sounds" and "image_mask".
20130518 20:21:14< fabi> thunderstruck: As far as I know it is the other way around, a recruit in a [side] overrides the faction's one.
20130518 20:41:21< vultraz_laptop> fabi: Dialog now fully displays all ToD stats: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95558676/custom_tod_dialog_v3.png
20130518 20:45:27< vultraz_laptop> fabi: I'm considering moving the Next button to the bottomn
20130518 20:45:32< vultraz_laptop> left corner
20130518 20:45:39< vultraz_laptop> what do you think
20130518 20:47:45< vultraz> fabi: it seems a little out of place where it is; it might be mistaken for a time option
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20130518 21:11:49< vultraz_laptop> fabi: or, how about this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95558676/custom_tod_dialog_v4.png
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20130518 21:20:36< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Maybe the "next" at the left side?
20130518 21:24:07< vultraz> fabi: where Save is now, or all the way to the left?
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20130518 21:29:40< fabi> vultraz: All the way.
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20130518 21:56:21< vultraz_laptop> fabi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95558676/custom_tod_dialog_v5.png looks good that way :)
20130518 21:57:21< fabi> vultraz_laptop: we also need new or add.
20130518 21:59:11< vultraz_laptop> ok
20130518 21:59:24< vultraz_laptop> later I'll work on actually making the buttons do something
20130518 22:01:30< anonymissimus> fabi: why do you get so many warnings for wesnoth ? does eclipse spam you with them in an unintelligent way ?
20130518 22:02:03< irker840> wesnoth: Maxim Biro wesnoth-old:master 2fc758 / / (7 files in 2 dirs): Implementation of notifications for Windows OS. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/2fc758377a566ce6a3d6cdd7d30ca5076e8395c0
20130518 22:02:13< fabi> anonymissimus: Yes, I guess the problem is that it merges compiler warnings with those spit out by the internal semantic checker.
20130518 22:02:19< irker840> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth-old:master 5737b9 / / (7 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/nurupo/wesnoth-old into nurupo-maste https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/5737b96604f393ddbc8b9868a37911443d7f642c
20130518 22:02:36< irker840> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth-old:master 1914bd / src/SConscript: Add source file for windows notification support to scons https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/1914bd512d76651575b6312f5f81acb2fab55343
20130518 22:02:52< irker840> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth-old:master 65a98c / / (8 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'nurupo-master' https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/65a98cb8006bb6bf4941086d60096f7a2cd5493d
20130518 22:03:02< loonycyborg> It's first time I'm ever merging a pull request :P
20130518 22:03:28< nurupo> loonycyborg: what's about project files/scron scripts?
20130518 22:03:40< anonymissimus> he added them
20130518 22:03:46< nurupo> oh
20130518 22:03:53< loonycyborg> I've fixed scons
20130518 22:04:00< nurupo> haven't cheched the commit yet :)
20130518 22:04:01< anonymissimus> he has to since he needs to compile and test, right ?
20130518 22:04:04< loonycyborg> So I can build windows releases
20130518 22:04:16< loonycyborg> I've tested it on windows xp too
20130518 22:04:54< anonymissimus> okay good, but it worked for me, I already said, so you should perhaps test more for newer windows
20130518 22:05:01< loonycyborg> Didn't change projectfiles though, since I'm not using them
20130518 22:05:15< loonycyborg> I need to first INSTALL newer windows :P
20130518 22:05:30< loonycyborg> But I don't have much hard disk space for that
20130518 22:05:52< anonymissimus> wait, you don't test the windows releases on win 7 ?
20130518 22:06:11< loonycyborg> It's forward compatible, you know
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20130518 22:06:49< anonymissimus> I wouldn't bet a cent on that
20130518 22:07:36< anonymissimus> I know of 1 or 2 people compiling on win 7 with code blocks
20130518 22:08:44< loonycyborg> There already are enough people testing it on windows 7
20130518 22:09:05< loonycyborg> I was staying on winxp to also avoid suddenly losing support for it
20130518 22:09:16< loonycyborg> But given that even MS eol'd it now..
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20130518 22:14:11< loonycyborg> wrt projectfiles I'd prefer if someone who has appropriate build environment committed them
20130518 22:14:24< loonycyborg> Like YOU, anony :P
20130518 22:15:54< nurupo> anonymissimus: people now not only duplicate gna entries on github, but also the other way around https://gna.org/patch/?3914 
20130518 22:21:07< anonymissimus> nurupo: err, yes, that's a very bad idea
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20130518 22:23:24 * nurupo is not used to use smart pointers
20130518 22:23:49< nurupo> (talking about vinipsmaker's patch)
20130518 22:25:15< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: I've closed nurupo 's path thread at gna
20130518 22:25:44< loonycyborg> kk, ty
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20130518 22:26:53< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: staying on xp to not lose compatibility for it also is a good reason however; probably mroe likely to loose compatibility for the older system than for the newer ones
20130518 22:27:16< loonycyborg> Yeah
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20130518 22:27:57 * anonymissimus is curious whether MS will again prolong support for XP
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20130518 22:28:44< anonymissimus> given that 25% or so of windows users are still on it
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20130518 22:51:13< nurupo> anonymissimus: MS already have Windows Vista, 7, 8 and developing 9
20130518 22:52:00< fabi> nurupo: And nearly every company still uses XP. Only private users have switched by now.
20130518 22:52:39< fabi> nurupo: The one I worked for in my last job did not plan to switch from XP for the next 5 years.
20130518 22:53:02< nurupo> whoa
20130518 22:53:16< nurupo> no wonder you changed job
20130518 22:54:04< fabi> nurupo: You do not understand. Switching the operating system in a company network is a major issue. And you never want to be the early adopter.
20130518 22:59:37< vultraz> at the very least they should upgrade to 7...
20130518 22:59:43< vultraz> it's pretty good
20130518 23:00:34< vultraz> and it's been what...3...4 years since 7 came out?
20130518 23:02:02< anonymissimus> blahblah this is so much work you never want to do it again, 5 years the same system is absolutely okay
20130518 23:02:14 * anonymissimus hates upgrading
20130518 23:02:43< anonymissimus> and didn't you get probs compiling wesnoth after an upgrade ? that's why I hate it
20130518 23:02:48< nurupo> fabi: i see
20130518 23:04:37< fabi> vultraz: I agree, windows 7 is not bad (not that bad like win95 for example) but that is not the point. XP is good enough for their usage and why should they switch?
20130518 23:05:04< anonymissimus> because support runs out in mid 2014 IIRC ?
20130518 23:05:25< anonymissimus> unless MS prolongs it due to customer wishes
20130518 23:05:42< anonymissimus> in case the pressure to upgrade is unsuccessfull :P
20130518 23:06:25< vultraz> if I was microsoft, I would say screw you xp users come and buy the shiny new 8 :P
20130518 23:06:43< anonymissimus> vista and 7 are eating up a hell of memory, much more than a recent Linux for instance, that's a major point for me
20130518 23:08:00< fabi> vultraz: That could loose them customers. If your vendor forces you to switch to operating system you might also switch the vendor...
20130518 23:09:38< vultraz> fabi: well, thing is, what else can you use besides linux if not windows. you can't use os x, since you need macs for that. and big companies might not want to use linux
20130518 23:10:06< _8680_> vultraz: BSD? Solaris?
20130518 23:12:22< fabi> vultraz: Buying new hardware is far cheaper than switching the operating system. As I told, switching the operating system is a major issue. Thus if you are forced to switch operating system you can also buy new apple hardware.
20130518 23:12:59< vultraz> hm, true
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20130518 23:15:40< fabi> vultraz: People install Windows7 at home and think: That was easy. Why can't those stupid administrators do that at work as well.
20130518 23:15:49< fabi> ?
20130518 23:16:01< irker840> wesnoth: anonymissimus wesnoth-old:master ec7714 / projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: vc project update https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/ec7714193ee31ed48fea6a39bc40697b12ca796e
20130518 23:16:17< anonymissimus> win xp has some excellent network support AFAIK
20130518 23:16:17< irker840> wesnoth: anonymissimus wesnoth-old:master 44c18d / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: cb project update https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/44c18d0266cae0fa13258b1697edd2fc37f5f063
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