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20130520 00:00:56< lipkab> thunderstruck: Well, then we're sort of agreed that it's going to be a button-shaped something?
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20130520 00:02:17< thunderstruck> LOL. I just noticed that I wrote 'perfection solution'. I really need to go to sleep.
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20130520 00:02:28< thunderstruck> lipkab, yes, probably.
20130520 00:03:04< lipkab> thunderstruck: Ok, I won't implement it then so that you can put it in your proposal :)
20130520 00:03:19< thunderstruck> fabi, I'm going away now. You can leave comments regarding my proposal here or we can just talk tomorrow.
20130520 00:03:38< fabi> thunderstruck: oki. Have a nice day :-)
20130520 00:04:20< thunderstruck> lipkab, I'll try to come up with a prototype which would have that kind of button and would be later reasonable easily merged into your version.
20130520 00:04:27< thunderstruck> fabi, thanks. bye.
20130520 00:05:02< thunderstruck> lipkab, are you planning to be online tomorrow?
20130520 00:05:09< lipkab> thunderstruck: Yes.
20130520 00:05:26< thunderstruck> lipkab, ok. See you later, then.
20130520 00:05:30< lipkab> Hello.
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20130520 00:45:16< vinipsmaker> mordante: I've updated the timeline and finished the "week -1"'s item: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=User:Vinipsmaker/GSoC13/Proposal&diff=51096&oldid=51091
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20130520 06:07:28< irker044> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master ddd1ec / src/editor/map/context_manager.cpp: Small code format issue. http://git.io/Wu9zNw
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20130520 06:07:36< irker044> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master dae7fb / src/editor/editor_controller.cpp: Keep the playlist menu open ofter a selection. http://git.io/Yzlrew
20130520 06:07:41< fabi> AI0867: ^
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20130520 08:00:30< shadowm> fabi: You mean SDL_mixer in your email.
20130520 08:01:46< shadowm> Strictly speaking, SDL_mixer can be compiled without Ogg Vorbis support, but yeah that'd be pretty useless for Wesnoth.
20130520 08:02:01< fabi> shadowm: Right
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20130520 09:02:35< vultraz_laptop> fabi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95558676/custom_tod_dialog_v6.png file selection dialog now opens in "images/misc" for image, "images" for mask, and "sounds/ambient" for sound
20130520 09:03:11< fabi> vultraz_laptop: cool
20130520 09:04:00< vultraz_laptop> now to actually allow manipulation of the tod
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20130520 09:12:06< fabi> shadowm: Do you what could destroy pango markup? I have enabled the warning about non core editor terrains again, but only half of them show the correct string the others just print the pango code.
20130520 09:12:22< fabi> s/you what/you know what
20130520 09:30:13< thunderstruck> fabi, hi.
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20130520 09:30:31< thunderstruck> fabi, did you finish to review my proposal?
20130520 09:36:11< fabi> thunderstruck: yes
20130520 09:36:17< fabi> thunderstruck: I think it is fine enough.
20130520 09:37:27< fabi> thunderstruck: There are no obvious issues left to moan about.
20130520 09:38:03< thunderstruck> fabi, good. I guess I will see if it is "fine enough" next Monday.
20130520 09:38:11< thunderstruck> fabi, thanks for looking at it.
20130520 09:40:31< fabi> thunderstruck: No problem, fixing the MPC support is in my own interest.
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20130520 09:44:02< thunderstruck> fabi, by the way, what time zone do you live in? I always find you online :)
20130520 09:44:19< fabi> thunderstruck: I am at gmt+1 iirc.
20130520 09:44:22< fabi> thunderstruck: Berlin
20130520 09:44:36< fabi> thunderstruck: I don't live in Berlin but all Germany is one time zone.
20130520 09:44:52< fabi> thunderstruck: My Desktop is always on. 
20130520 09:45:22< fabi> thunderstruck: It is 9:45 in the morning here.
20130520 09:46:13< thunderstruck> fabi, okay. It is one hour earlier here in the UK.
20130520 09:46:43< fabi> thunderstruck: Yeah, stupid daylight saving stuff.
20130520 09:50:19< thunderstruck> fabi, here is also a daylight saving now and it is GMT+1. So I guess you currently live in GMT+2
20130520 09:51:50< nurupo> Soliton: talking about people having right timezone set^
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20130520 10:37:55< Ivanovic> still no OSX binary for 1.11.4...
20130520 10:41:16< lipkab> fabi: The playlist editor doesn't list all the tracks in core/music.
20130520 10:42:11< lipkab> The problem is, [editor_music] is populated with {DEFAULT_PLAYLIST} which doesn't include all songs.
20130520 10:43:09< vultraz> fabi: there's a dialog where you can set music?
20130520 10:43:27< fabi> lipkab: Yes, I know and I do not know how to handle it yet. Extend the default playlist or define a new one for the editor?
20130520 10:43:31< fabi> vultraz: yes
20130520 10:44:06< fabi> Ivanovic: Can we have the next release just after the current? Like next weekend or the one after?
20130520 10:44:18< vultraz> fabi: will it show all music in all binary paths?
20130520 10:44:47< fabi> vultraz: No, it is using the [editor_muisic] tag which is around since ages.
20130520 10:45:05< Ivanovic> fabi: next weekend is unlikely on my side
20130520 10:45:08< lipkab> fabi: I think that some tracks (like elf-land.ogg) are purpotedly left out from DEFAULT_PLAYLIST.
20130520 10:45:20< Ivanovic> but maybe the long weekend afterwards (depening on me being in germany or not)
20130520 10:45:22< lipkab> So I'd go with a new list.
20130520 10:45:33< fabi> lipkab: Indeed, same for "Over the northern Mountains".
20130520 10:46:27< vultraz> fabi: are there plans to make it do all music files?
20130520 10:46:29< fabi> Ivanovic: Cool, I feel that the 1.11.4 won't give me useful feedback anymore when it is reaching the testers.
20130520 10:46:52< Ivanovic> fabi: i am about to write the announcement
20130520 10:46:58< Ivanovic> so it should reach the tester in about 15min
20130520 10:47:00< Ivanovic> ;)
20130520 10:47:12< Ivanovic> just not the OSX testers
20130520 10:47:39< fabi> Ivanovic: Okay, good news.
20130520 10:49:01< vultraz> fabi: jw, since if you do make it do that, I could borrow your helper function
20130520 10:50:26< lipkab> vultraz: Could you please show a screenshot without the file dialog?
20130520 10:51:21< fabi> vultraz: I plan to put every mainline track into the list. Addon makers will have to supply an additional [editor_music] tags to make them show up. Thus no method to get sounds for the dialog.
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20130520 10:51:57< vultraz> fabi: ok
20130520 10:52:18< fabi> Ivanovic: Have you seen my mail to dev? I guess you are the person to give me permission.
20130520 10:52:56< Ivanovic> fabi: as long as you document it in INSTALL and the RELEASE_NOTES this is fine by me, will write a mail about it to the ML later on
20130520 10:53:40< fabi> Ivanovic: Fine, thanks.
20130520 10:53:47< Ivanovic> Soliton: what to do about the MP server for 1.11.x?
20130520 10:54:04< vultraz> lipkab: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95558676/custom_tod_dialog_v5.png (except now there's another button to the left of Save)
20130520 10:54:16< Ivanovic> Soliton: i am about to announce it but OSX has no binary (waiting for significantly more than 3 days does IMO not make sense!)
20130520 10:54:51< vultraz> wesbot: seen Alarantalara
20130520 10:54:52< wesbot> vultraz: The person with the nick Alarantalara last spoke 28d 5h ago.  7d 12h ago they left with the message: Client Quit
20130520 10:54:56< vultraz> o_O
20130520 10:54:59< lipkab> vultraz: Thanks.
20130520 10:55:19< vultraz> lipkab: JW, why are you interested? :)
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20130520 10:55:55< irker774> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:master e16cfd / RELEASE_NOTES: cleanup RELEASE_NOTES after announcing http://git.io/8CGn8A
20130520 10:56:10< vultraz> Ivanovic: does alarantalara do the mac upload?
20130520 10:56:22< Ivanovic> vultraz: usually he does so
20130520 10:56:35< vultraz> and now he hasn't been on...
20130520 10:56:36< lipkab> vultraz: I saw you used colons after  the slider labels but not the entry labels and got curious what other horrible incosistencies have you made.
20130520 10:57:24< vultraz> lipkab: oh, nice catch. I'll fix it
20130520 10:58:02< lipkab> vultraz: It'd be nice to add a label explaining what the RGB sliders are for, otherwise nice work.
20130520 10:58:58< vultraz> lipkab: thanks. it doesn't actually do anything yet, just display stats, since I haven't coded the button functions yet
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20130520 11:08:02< fabi> lipkab, vultraz: This can also be done with a tooltip or a help string. Introducing another label with just crowd the dialog.
20130520 11:14:03< Ivanovic> fabi: you reworked large parts of the map editor in 1.11.3/1.11.4, right?
20130520 11:14:24< Ivanovic> sadly i see nothing of this in the changelog so am having a hard time writing about it in the release announcement...
20130520 11:14:44< Ivanovic> the only point in there is 'overhaul of the editors gui'
20130520 11:17:39< irker774> wesnoth: Maxim Biro wesnoth-old:master 5a8cae / src/ (windows_tray_notification.cpp windows_tray_notification.hpp): Added copyright notice. http://git.io/u7lrvA
20130520 11:17:41< irker774> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master d561d2 / src/ (windows_tray_notification.cpp windows_tray_notification.hpp): Merge pull request #14 from nurupo/master http://git.io/5q_o7g
20130520 11:18:00< Ivanovic> 1.11.4 announcement: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38842
20130520 11:18:11< Ivanovic> please feel free to fix any issues you find in it...
20130520 11:18:33< shadowm> The first paragraph isn't really meant to be copy-pasted.
20130520 11:18:50< shadowm> I mean the first sentence.
20130520 11:19:16< shadowm> Yeah, it took a while _again_, but pointing that out in two consecutive releases is cheap.
20130520 11:19:47< lipkab> fabi: The RGB channels logically aren't direct properties of the schedule. The hue color is a direct property which is characterized by three color channels.
20130520 11:20:57< lipkab> If someone opens up that the dialog he's going to be like "ok I understand what the ToD's name and ID is, but what the heck is the ToD's *red*?"
20130520 11:21:03< shadowm> I'd also remove the link to the repository from the announcement. Linking to WesnothRepository in the wiki is enough and better.
20130520 11:21:26< shadowm> (Since the repository will be replaced any time from now until Christmas 2020.)
20130520 11:22:06< shadowm> I cannot provide any advice on the important changes list since I really have no idea what's been going on here and I don't really want to know.
20130520 11:22:18< lipkab> fabi: If an additional label is that much of a problem, the exisiting one could changed to "Red hue", "Green hue" etc.
20130520 11:22:43< lipkab> Just put something there that tells it's all about the hue.
20130520 11:23:27< fabi> lipkab: The WML attributes are called "red", "green" and "blue". Thus your statements doesn't make any sense at all.
20130520 11:24:05< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 344021 / / (4 files in 3 dirs): Show the ogg's title (metadata) in the playlist menu. http://git.io/HE_EOg
20130520 11:24:14< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master ebfc3f / data/themes/editor.cfg: Adds another separator between the editor tool buttons. http://git.io/zBEjSQ
20130520 11:24:22< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 638798 / src/editor/palette/terrain_palettes.cpp: Enable the warning for non core items. http://git.io/J17sHg
20130520 11:24:27< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 3a7039 / / (5 files in 4 dirs): Remove the option to disable the mdi feature of the editor. http://git.io/7cn5Zw
20130520 11:24:29< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 9a937d / src/editor/map/context_manager.cpp: Mark modified maps in the editor's "Window" menu. http://git.io/2M0q2w
20130520 11:24:31< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master c408e9 / src/editor/map/context_manager.cpp: Indentation fix. http://git.io/WYrMuA
20130520 11:24:33< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 8dd05f / src/editor/map/map_context.hpp: Fix spelling in comments. http://git.io/R8ei-Q
20130520 11:24:35< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 61d978 / src/editor/map/map_context.hpp: More spell fixing. http://git.io/3EsWEw
20130520 11:24:37< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 3414de / src/editor/map/map_context.hpp: And another spell fix. http://git.io/ru5RpA
20130520 11:24:39< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 059914 / src/editor/map/map_context.hpp: And another spell fix. http://git.io/8f5ZHA
20130520 11:24:41< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 0ff276 / src/editor/map/map_context.hpp: Spell fix. http://git.io/vHOvLg
20130520 11:24:43< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 85ed99 / INSTALL RELEASE_NOTES: Updated INSTALL and RELEASE_NOTES with the vorbisfile dependency. http://git.io/K0n0KQ
20130520 11:24:45< irker774> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 0ff90b / data/themes/editor.cfg src/editor/editor_controller.cpp: Enable the "Save all maps" feature. http://git.io/1CFfJA
20130520 11:25:26< fabi> lipkab: Sorry, didn't want to sound that unfriendly.
20130520 11:25:26< shadowm> I don't know what you are talking about, but how about 'tint' instead of 'hue', since the latter is more like an HSV/HSL thing in the context of color spaces?
20130520 11:26:21< shadowm> Although IIRC the ToD lighting thing is really just a channel shift/addition operation.
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20130520 11:26:38< lipkab> fabi: I said "logically". If you were explaining the ToD syntax to somebody, would you say that "...and you can set a tint" or "...and you can set a redgreenblue"?
20130520 11:26:43< Ivanovic> frontpage updated, too
20130520 11:26:51< shadowm> Ivanovic: Are you done?
20130520 11:26:56< Ivanovic> shadowm: jepp
20130520 11:27:03< lipkab> shadowm: Thanks for the correction.
20130520 11:27:32< fabi> lipkab: Ah yes, now I understand what you mean.
20130520 11:27:41< shadowm> Also funny that this 1.11.3 thing accidentally made the version ordinal match the release number.
20130520 11:27:48< shadowm> I mean release ordinal and version number.
20130520 11:28:12< fabi> shadowm: Did you read my question about pango?
20130520 11:28:49< shadowm> Yes.
20130520 11:29:08< shadowm> fabi: I am not really sure. Did it work before?
20130520 11:29:21< fabi> shadowm: Yeah, since ages. 
20130520 11:30:25< shadowm> Okay, the only thing I know is that Wesnoth gives up on Pango in some context if it encounters anything resembling invalid markup, or (IIRC) an invalid UTF-8 sequence.
20130520 11:30:30< shadowm> *contexts
20130520 11:31:58< fabi> hmmm
20130520 11:34:05< fabi> What about a feature that allows to open the last, say 5, edited maps with a click? I have seen that in many modern applikations.
20130520 11:36:09< shadowm> Well, the thing about that is that I had been intending to implement it for, like, four years or something.
20130520 11:36:43< shadowm> I would certainly have appreciated such a feature when making my campaign.
20130520 11:38:39< fabi> shadowm: Okay, I will do it.
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20130520 11:40:39< fabi> shadowm: Is there anything else you like to see implemented in the editor?
20130520 11:41:22< AI0867> Rhonda: libboost-thread is not listed as a dependency in apt, but (on ubuntu 12.04 at least) it is required to build wesnoth
20130520 11:43:37< shadowm> fabi: Well, not in the editor per se, but I've always wanted to have the ability to bookmark paths in the file chooser dialog so I don't have to travel all the way to ../../data/add-on/Segmented_Campaign_with_a_Really_Long_Name/episodeWhatever/maps/ by hand... but that was kind of a thing I intended to code on top of a GUI2 conversion of the filechooser dialog.
20130520 11:44:15< shadowm> A conversion which I actually started and then abandoned because <insert long "unintentionally" obnoxious rant about GUI2 listboxes here>.
20130520 11:44:31< fabi> shadowm: Yes, indeed. This feature better finds its home in the dialog.
20130520 11:44:32< shadowm> I may still go back to it if the status quo changes.
20130520 11:45:30< shadowm> But I don't think I've found myself longing for additional features in the editor proper besides a recent files list.
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20130520 11:46:56< shadowm> Oh, actually, yes.
20130520 11:47:16< shadowm> I could also have used being able to quickly switch between open maps using the keyboard.
20130520 11:47:51< shadowm> Using the mouse and moving my eyes from the map view to the menus is kind of disruptive when trying to visually compare maps.
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20130520 11:49:30< shadowm> And for that matter, it's kind of annoying atm that switching between open maps takes a moment and the screen needs to be completely redrawn, resulting in the toolbar blinking for a moment.
20130520 11:49:58< shadowm> The former might well be a limitation of the terrain graphics engine, but the latter sounds like some overzealous screen refresh call.
20130520 11:51:14 * vultraz still hasn't found where the redraw everything call for the custom tod dialog is
20130520 11:51:17< shadowm> Finally, I think the map editor should be able to make coffee.
20130520 11:51:27< shadowm> No wait, I mean tea.
20130520 11:51:34< shadowm> I can't drink coffee, sadly.
20130520 11:51:45< shadowm> vultraz: Probably at the dialog's call point.
20130520 11:51:48< shadowm> That is, not in the dialog.
20130520 11:52:20< vultraz> I already commented out a redraw_everything call, but it didn't owrk
20130520 11:52:50< shadowm> It could be at the call point's call point.
20130520 11:52:59< vultraz> o_O
20130520 11:53:11< shadowm> You could place a breakpoint in the constructor and examine the call stack.
20130520 11:53:33< shadowm> vultraz: Come on, you are not supposed to be surprised.
20130520 11:53:42< shadowm> I am just playing Captain Obvious here for your convenience.
20130520 11:58:13< vultraz_laptop> oh huh, looks like editor_controller::custom_tod_dialog_redraw_callback is no longer used
20130520 11:58:40 * vultraz_laptop deleted
20130520 11:58:44< vultraz_laptop> dletes
20130520 11:58:47< vultraz_laptop> deletes
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20130520 12:01:46< vultraz_laptop> oh duh
20130520 12:01:47< vultraz_laptop> context_manager_->refresh_all();
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20130520 12:10:20< AI0867> fabi: great. Maybe also allow you to close the menu by clicking the playlist button again
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20130520 12:14:40< vultraz_laptop> if you have commits on a local branch, can you safely git rebase master w/o losing them?
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20130520 15:57:11< Soliton> Ivanovic: i think there were no significant mp protocol changes so we can just keep accepting the old dev version for now.
20130520 16:01:54< thunderstruck> lipkab, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36902762/mp_create5.png
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20130520 16:05:10< lipkab> thunderstruck: Well, that is basically the same as mine. Consequently, I like it.
20130520 16:05:30< thunderstruck> lipkab, yes, I was doing this with yours in mind.
20130520 16:05:37< thunderstruck> lipkab, so that it would be possible to easily merge them
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20130520 16:08:08< thunderstruck> lipkab, I guess, I will go with this one in my proposal then and link it to your forum post along with some reasoning.
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20130520 16:13:26< mordante> servus
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20130520 16:14:22< mordante> fabi, trunk no longer links due to your vorbis commit :-(
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20130520 16:19:18< mordante> fabi, also you should give people on the dev-ml some time to give a response before adding the dependency
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20130520 16:23:30< mordante> vinipsmaker I still miss finishing the finishing the documentation for the new protocol
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20130520 16:26:16< mordante> vinipsmaker also please split the threads and SSL in two task, can be in the same week, but makes tracking the status easier
20130520 16:26:49< mordante> vinipsmaker futher the timeline looks rather fine (not 100% sure how realistic, but that's always an issue)
20130520 16:27:00< mordante> trademark, looking at your email now
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20130520 16:35:59< mordante> trademark, just a general comment, it would be nice if your coding style matches Wesnoth's style more especially regarding the trailing underscore for private members and putting private members at the end of the class definition
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20130520 16:44:13< mordante> trademark, also please pay attention to the usage of the explicit keyword
20130520 16:45:37< mordante> trademark, no other comments, looks nice enough as basis
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20130520 16:49:05< trademark> mordante, ok, it seems quite easy to do
20130520 16:49:28< mordante> trademark, yeah not something to do now, just something to be aware of
20130520 16:49:43< trademark> of course, thanks for the comments
20130520 16:49:53< trademark> I was looking at Boost.Asio
20130520 16:49:55< mordante> especially since in some classes you have private members both with and without underscore
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20130520 16:50:51< trademark> it's just because I had no imagination to name these member with another name, I was tempted to put a upper case in the class name
20130520 16:50:55< mordante> well it looks like a nice sample, and I like the usage of the strands
20130520 16:51:10< trademark> but I'll put a trailing underscore instead ;-)
20130520 16:51:47< mordante> yes that's the official Wesnoth coding style (we don't define a lot, but this is one of the points defined)
20130520 16:52:07< mordante> no rules regarding where to put the opening/closing brace etc.
20130520 16:52:10< trademark> that's not my ideas, I just start with the Boost.Asio example
20130520 16:52:18< trademark> ok
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20130520 16:52:41< mordante> I noticed, I saw some headers with Chris' copyright left
20130520 16:53:56< trademark> I left them in each file I got from the examples
20130520 16:54:27< mordante> no problem
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20130520 16:55:47< trademark> I was looking on how io_service works internally
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20130520 16:59:41< Ivanovic> Soliton: what about unit balancing?
20130520 16:59:42< Ivanovic> no changes there?
20130520 17:00:51< trademark> and it's maybe surprising but I'm pretty sure the single-threaded server (example 1) is the best for the add-on server. Even if it's "single threaded", many asynchronous operation are performed, so it would be enough. Actually, there is no point to use a thread pool for the accept request.
20130520 17:01:39< trademark> and the add-on server haven't a lot of request per minutes, it's a little server.
20130520 17:02:57< trademark> However, depending on how it's implemented, in few years, when Wesnoth will become the game of the year, anyone can easily switch to a thread pool without modifying many classes (just look the three http examples, not many classes change).
20130520 17:03:33< trademark> mordante, what do you think ? (I guess it deserve more analysis through).
20130520 17:11:01< Soliton> Ivanovic: i don't think so.
20130520 17:11:07< mordante> trademark, I'm somewhat confused, the design already uses threads
20130520 17:12:26< mordante> trademark, and I'm also not convinced we need threads for the addon-server, but having a multi-threaded design, might make it possible to reuse it for the MP-server (if we ever want that)
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20130520 17:16:45< trademark> mordante,  it seems a bad idea to reuse components for different servers that haven't the same needs. And does the MP-server is not already implemented with Boost.Asio ? And last question, to which design do you refer ?
20130520 17:18:29< mordante> trademark, I'm not saying we should reuse it, depending on how it looks it might be possible to have a generic core component
20130520 17:20:48< mordante> trademark, the function server::run() 
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20130520 17:40:17< trademark> mordante, maybe
20130520 17:42:35< loonycyborg> Yeah, forget about multi-threaded servers unless you're doing a lot of processing in handlers.
20130520 17:42:59< loonycyborg> If most time is spent on waiting for network then single thread is the way to go
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20130520 17:56:06< Ivanovic> mordante: how are the devdocs created these days?
20130520 17:57:11< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: perhaps you have a link ready for getting the vorbis stuff ?
20130520 17:58:22< loonycyborg> hmm, pretty sure that you can't link SDL_mixer without vorbis stuff
20130520 17:58:38< loonycyborg> So everyone with successfull builds should have it already
20130520 18:00:28< loonycyborg> libvorbisfile-3.dll, I already have to provide it
20130520 18:01:57< Ivanovic> mordante, Soliton: i am currently running a plain 'doxygen' call in the root of the checkout, i hope this is correct and will not mess too much...
20130520 18:02:28< anonymissimus> I don't have that header anyway
20130520 18:02:51< anonymissimus> and I cannot tell about what happens when linking yet
20130520 18:03:46< anonymissimus> yeah, a few dlls are there already
20130520 18:06:57< anonymissimus> fabi: can you please fix cmake, cb, mac and MSVC builds ? :P
20130520 18:07:47< anonymissimus> and I wonder whether we can *afford* adding a dependency if there is none to update the mac build
20130520 18:08:11< anonymissimus> perhaps you should just refrain from it as the feature isn't vital
20130520 18:11:15< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: why can nobody update the mac build?
20130520 18:11:50< Ivanovic> meaning: the build is just done using xcode and you need to handle those steps eventually
20130520 18:12:08< Ivanovic> but honestly, if e.g. the MS VC stuff is broken, those using it need to fix it and upload the changed project files
20130520 18:12:14< Ivanovic> the same IMO applies for xcode
20130520 18:13:28< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: because Alarantalara seems a bit MIA ?
20130520 18:13:39< Ivanovic> anonymissimus: he was around 3 days ago
20130520 18:13:46< Ivanovic> ever heard about people going on vacation?
20130520 18:13:59< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen Alarantalara
20130520 18:13:59< wesbot> Ivanovic: The person with the nick Alarantalara last spoke 28d 12h ago.  7d 19h ago they left with the message: Client Quit
20130520 18:14:06< Ivanovic> okay, it is a week now, and?
20130520 18:16:26< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: I don't know what you know about MSVC but this time it is not as easy as updating the project file
20130520 18:17:15< Ivanovic> what i know is that if the cmake stuff is handled it might be possible to create the MSVC project files using cmake
20130520 18:17:27< Ivanovic> it might even be possible to create xcode project files using cmake
20130520 18:17:53< Ivanovic> so really, i am not too worried if those are not working at all times in the repo
20130520 18:18:52< Ivanovic> if the "any build system which ever was supported (even if just a single dev used it) needs to be updated if there is a dependency change" requirement was applied we would never change dependencies
20130520 18:19:01< Ivanovic> which does not make much sense
20130520 18:19:36< Ivanovic> if there are platforms where the new dependency is not supported this is a different matter, then we need to consider if the options provided by the dep are worth the tradeoff
20130520 18:21:49< mordante> Ivanovic, afaik with doxygen on the server, not sure who set it up, but it wasn't me
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20130520 18:22:14< mordante> Ivanovic, that's how I also run it
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20130520 18:33:58< anonymissimus> Ivanovic: MSVC+cmake is broken since quite a while; and it has shown to be inconvenient since Linux devs tend to break it for MSVC users
20130520 18:36:20< timotei> anonymissimus: msvc solution can be generated by CMAKE :)
20130520 18:36:25< timotei> I and Crab_ used it for a while
20130520 18:40:55< mordante> anonymissimus, might be true, but if we/I don't get told it's broken it won't be fixed
20130520 18:41:17< mordante> and I would like CMake to work properly on all platforms
20130520 18:43:12< anonymissimus> mordante: problem is we don't have anyone who uses cmake+MSVC somewhat regularly (Crab did but he no longer does)
20130520 18:43:25< anonymissimus> so no chance to fix it
20130520 18:43:31< mordante> anonymissimus, exactly the chicken and egg problem
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20130520 18:43:47< timotei> anonymissimus: It was like this when I got inside Wesnoth at first too. Nobody used MSVC before :)
20130520 18:44:04< timotei> I fixed it for me, and used it. The next dev who will use MSVC will fix it, no doubt ;)
20130520 18:44:12< anonymissimus> Ilor and Sapient did in the past
20130520 18:44:14< timotei> Also, the CMAKE tutorial Crab made, I am sure it still works
20130520 18:44:24< timotei> OK, s/before/at that time.
20130520 18:44:45< timotei> There were the MSVC project files, but they weren't compiling :P
20130520 18:44:51< anonymissimus> timotei: cmake tutorial ?
20130520 18:44:58< timotei> Of course
20130520 18:45:07< timotei> Hold on.
20130520 18:45:35< timotei> Well, if the wiki would work...
20130520 18:46:16< timotei> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnothOnWindows#Crab_.27s_method
20130520 18:46:16< timotei> >)
20130520 18:47:00< timotei> The problem is just the usual Windows one. The developers need to get their right dependencies before compiling Wesnoth.
20130520 18:47:25< anonymissimus> that I don't call a tutorial
20130520 18:47:31< timotei> Why not?
20130520 18:48:12< timotei> I dream there will be a day when there'll be something like macports/apt-get for windows (but for development libraries, not usual apps)
20130520 18:48:16< anonymissimus> that is a small guide; a tutorial about cmake would at least be several ("book") sites, with images and ecamples
20130520 18:48:34< timotei> Oh, it's not a cmake tutorial. It's a tutorial how to get Wesnoth compiling using cmake :)
20130520 18:48:47< mordante> timotei, yes that would be great if it happens
20130520 18:48:53< timotei> CMake generated .sln/.vcprojs; user compiles wesnoth;
20130520 18:49:23< timotei> mordante: I was thinking of starting something like that myself, at least for most of the common libs like SDL, pango, boost.
20130520 18:49:31< timotei> But yeah... we think much but do less
20130520 18:49:32< timotei> :D
20130520 18:49:35< timotei> "no time"
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20130520 18:50:41< mordante> timotei, do you know about mxe (http://mxe.cc/) ?
20130520 18:51:25< timotei> Nope.
20130520 18:51:27 * anonymissimus still doesn't know where he can download a header/libs/dlls package
20130520 18:51:30< timotei> But it seems it's linux like
20130520 18:52:05< timotei> anonymissimus: Right. it seems there's no more package.
20130520 18:52:07< timotei> Oh well :D
20130520 18:52:14< mordante> yes I use it at work for cross-compiling (at least an older version of it)
20130520 18:52:23< timotei> s/like/only
20130520 18:52:59< mordante> yes but it might be that it will work (at least the result) on Windows with MingW
20130520 18:53:02< timotei> anonymissimus: I could fix Crab's tutorial and make it easier to be used with the already existing packages we use in the normal MSVC...
20130520 18:53:09< timotei> But yeah... when I'll have time :)
20130520 18:54:47< timotei> Thought maybe a video tutorial would be even better.
20130520 18:55:40< anonymissimus> mordante: I wonder whether cmake no longer links for you though; shouldn't something like apt-get libvorbisfile quickly solve it ?
20130520 18:55:58< anonymissimus> with sources and all
20130520 18:56:44< mordante> anonymissimus, and how does the linker know it needs to link libvorbis?
20130520 18:59:03< anonymissimus> ahem...by putting into the project file's linker settings the appropriate lib name ? ...
20130520 18:59:15< anonymissimus> of course not
20130520 19:06:57< mordante> yeah so cmake needs to be adjusted, but fabi didn't mention the minimum required version
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20130520 19:12:07< fabi> mordante: hi
20130520 19:12:20< mordante> hi fabi 
20130520 19:12:49< fabi> mordante: I am fine with every version libsdl-mixer is fine with.
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20130520 19:19:51< Ivanovic> mordante: can you possibly check on your home system if doxygen should be able to run successfully?
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20130520 19:20:19< Ivanovic> i see the logs spammed with messages and when it exited only 1.1GB discspace were used (in the old svn folder it was 3.3GB!)
20130520 19:20:51< Ivanovic> Error: dot: can't open /sources/wesnoth/master/doc/doxygen/html/classChatClient_a05e400eaa7bec5acdf609f090fdb416c_cgraph.dot
20130520 19:20:53< Ivanovic> Problems running dot: exit code=2, command='dot', arguments='"/sources/wesnoth/master/doc/doxygen/html/classChatClient_a05e400eaa7bec5acdf609f090fdb416c_cgraph.dot" -Tpng -o "/sources/wesnoth/master/doc/doxygen/html/classChatClient_a05e400eaa7bec5acdf609f090fdb416c_cgraph.png"'
20130520 19:21:53< loonycyborg> anonymissimus: http://xiph.org/downloads/, probably you can get headers here if you lack them
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20130520 19:31:01< mordante> fabi, we already link sdl-mixer
20130520 19:31:40< mordante> Ivanovic, not at the moment, my HDD doesn't have enough free space, too many Wesnoth checkouts
20130520 19:31:55< fabi> mordante: Yes, I know.
20130520 19:33:04< fabi> mordante: I think the minimum version of vorbisfile is the dependency of the minimum version of libsdl-mixer we depend on.
20130520 19:40:14< fabi> mordante: The version in debian oldstable is 1.3.1. Maybe that is a good minimum if required. The scons build system I adjusted could go without a minimum check, which should be fine. I am using only a few very basic calls, I guess they are around forever.
20130520 19:40:59< mordante> fabi, well if it's only basics then we can also do without version check in cmake
20130520 19:41:27< mordante> fabi, however it would have been nice to give people on the mailing list more time
20130520 19:41:32< Rhonda> AI0867: I doubt that, wesnoth was built on Ubuntu 12.04 without any troubles.
20130520 19:41:54< mordante> fabi, especially since it breaks cmake without warning and I won't have time to fix it now
20130520 19:41:55< fabi> mordante: Yes, let's do it that way first, and act if there are any problems. 
20130520 19:42:06< fabi> Rhonda: I noticed what AI0867 reported as well.
20130520 19:42:15< Rhonda> Which version?
20130520 19:42:52< Rhonda> And there *is* libboost-thread-dev in the Build-Depends of wesnoth-1.10, what's the deal?
20130520 19:44:03< Rhonda> fabi: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=wesnoth-1.10 <-- it's available, and ubuntu only does source uploads, so either you are using something different or I don't know.
20130520 19:44:16< Rhonda> It works with the official packages, so I figure it might be something at your end.
20130520 19:44:37< Rhonda> … unless you are able to offer me more information.
20130520 19:46:10< mordante> I'm off now
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20130520 19:47:12< fabi> Rhonda: I do not know if the problem still exists. Hard to tell when the problem was solved since installing the missing dependency once propagates with every dist upgrade.
20130520 19:47:31< Rhonda> You just said that you noticed it too.
20130520 19:47:41< Rhonda> So why now say "I do not know"?
20130520 19:47:51< Rhonda> That somehow doesn't make sense.
20130520 19:49:40< fabi> Rhonda: I had to install a missing dependency once for sure, also noticed you back then in #wesnoth-de about it.
20130520 19:50:05< Rhonda> And sorry if that sounds grumpy or such.  I am fully willing to fix stuff if I can figure out what's b0rked.  Right now I only see that libboost-thread-dev *is* part of the Build-Depends, so I am unable to follow what you are writing.
20130520 19:52:43< fabi> Rhonda: No offense taken. AI0867 might give you more helpful information.
20130520 19:53:21< fabi> AI0867: Thanks, I am working on the issue you mentioned already.
20130520 19:54:27< fabi> AI0867: A problem I might not be able to fix is: If you have to scroll down in the list (only on lower resolutions with the current amount of tracks) checking an item causes the menu to be scrolled at top again.
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20130520 19:57:45< saati> hello
20130520 19:58:41< saati> after xmonad resizes wesnoth to a small window and back to a big one wesnoth seems to ignore the mouse on most of the surface
20130520 19:59:02< saati> this is v1.10.6
20130520 20:01:50< fabi> saati: xmonad is a window manager?
20130520 20:01:53< saati> yes
20130520 20:02:07< saati> it's a dynamic tiling window manager for x
20130520 20:02:31< saati> if i float the window and resize it to a bigger size the problem goes away
20130520 20:02:35< saati> but it's annoying
20130520 20:02:44< fabi> saati: I am on KDE and I can reproduce the issue, but only on the loadscreen. If I resize Wesnoth while in the loadscreen the result is broken as you describe it.
20130520 20:03:10< fabi> saati: I guess xmonad is doing the resize directly after the start?
20130520 20:03:34< saati> no it's okay when it's started in the big view
20130520 20:03:53< saati> after it gets resized to a small one is when the problem appears
20130520 20:06:29< fabi> saati: Please fill a bug report at bugs.wesnoth.org. I will add a comment about the similar issue on KDE after the creation. 
20130520 20:07:26< saati> ok, i'm in a game currently but i will do it after that
20130520 20:07:39< fabi> saati: Thank you :-)
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20130520 20:12:59< anonymissimus> loonycyborg: thanks, that's what I found as well :)
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20130520 20:49:23< saati> fabi: https://gna.org/bugs/?20833
20130520 20:50:06< fabi> saati: Cool, tx.
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20130520 20:56:58< AI0867> Rhonda: weird. I looked in the regular depends and didn't find it there.
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20130520 21:09:22< anonymissimus> so, that's who this usually goes and what needs the time then: http://pastebin.com/pkR9NQ9W
20130520 21:09:57< anonymissimus> after I compiled and added the stuff from http://xiph.org/downloads/
20130520 21:10:13< anonymissimus> a few errors that don't make sense and appear unrelated come up
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20130520 22:29:54< nurupo> was browsing through Qt docs and accidently found this http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qsystemtrayicon.html#details
20130520 22:32:03< thunderstruck> nurupo, but Wesnoth does not use Qt, IIRC.
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20130520 23:01:09< irker028> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:master 7a7f7d / src/reports.cpp: Eliminated excess whitespace in a string. http://git.io/Cqv_tw
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20130520 23:03:06< nurupo> thunderstruck: yes, it does not
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