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20130528 02:16:17< fabi> thunderstruck: Cool, congratulations.
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20130528 03:13:39< irker667> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 455ca1 / data/themes/editor.cfg: Adjusted the 1024x768 resolution to the last art commit. http://git.io/GRWKDw
20130528 03:13:41< irker667> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 809c2e / src/editor/map/context_manager.hpp: Changed visibility scope of the const get_map() version. http://git.io/DW5ahg
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20130528 09:40:06< fabi> hi LordBob_
20130528 09:43:44< vultraz> LordBob_: hullo
20130528 09:44:30< vultraz> LordBob_: no, the ~BLIT method didn't work for the button definitions
20130528 09:44:36< vultraz> we'll need whole images
20130528 09:45:50< fabi> vultraz: gui2 buttons?
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20130528 09:48:37< vultraz_laptop> fabi: yes
20130528 09:49:30< fabi> vultraz_laptop: The gui2 buttons will need to learn the overlay= keyword. Like theme wml gui1 buttons already do.
20130528 09:50:15< vultraz_laptop> well...I have no idea how to do that
20130528 09:50:21< vultraz_laptop> mordante would know
20130528 10:07:11< vultraz_laptop> LordBob_: around?
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20130528 10:16:22< vultraz_laptop> fabi, LordBob_: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95558676/custom_tod_dialog_v8.png (the two arrow buttons to the left are placeholder graphics for the +/- buttons that we don't have yet)
20130528 10:21:52< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Lawfull bonus allows negative values. 
20130528 10:22:05< fabi> vultraz_laptop: Can we make the image the button?
20130528 10:22:34< vultraz_laptop> fabi: er...I don't think so
20130528 10:22:55< vultraz_laptop> but i might be able to hack something together with a listbox
20130528 10:23:04< fabi> hmmm
20130528 10:23:19< fabi> How can that be done? How will it look?
20130528 10:23:32< vultraz_laptop> but that leaves a stylistic difference
20130528 10:23:37< vultraz_laptop> see, all tods have an image
20130528 10:23:52< vultraz_laptop> but, not all tods have a mask
20130528 10:24:01< vultraz_laptop> well...
20130528 10:24:03< fabi> noted
20130528 10:24:30< vultraz_laptop> plus, what happens if the tod image is in a sheet?
20130528 10:24:40< vultraz_laptop> such as the 24 hour schedule
20130528 10:24:44< vultraz_laptop> I just thought of that
20130528 10:26:22< fabi> The listbox hack, how would it work?
20130528 10:27:13< vultraz_laptop> well, it would be a listbox with one row, and 1 widget, the image
20130528 10:27:42< vultraz_laptop> then somehow I could set up a callback to call up the filechooser dialog when clicking on that listbox row
20130528 10:28:44< vultraz_laptop> fabi: BTW, what's the maximum/minimum values of lawful bonus? -100/100?
20130528 10:29:57< vultraz_laptop> fabi: also, bit unrelated, but...I've never actually seen a tod with the mask feature. Could, possibly, it be removed?
20130528 10:30:55< fabi> vultraz_laptop: I guess the lawful bonus works between the full integer range. 
20130528 10:31:40< fabi> vultraz_laptop: But 100/-100 is already a huge range gameplay wise.
20130528 10:32:03< vultraz_laptop> current tods don't use more than +25 or -25
20130528 10:32:46< LordBob_> hi guys
20130528 10:32:53< fabi> hello
20130528 10:32:56< LordBob_> What's a mask, exactly ?
20130528 10:33:02< vultraz_laptop> -100/100 seems reasonable
20130528 10:33:13< fabi> indeed
20130528 10:33:41< vultraz_laptop> LordBob_: "mask: the image displayed over all hexes during turns of this type. "
20130528 10:33:50< vultraz_laptop> I've never, ever seen a tod use it
20130528 10:33:58< vultraz_laptop> I don't think any mainline ones use it
20130528 10:34:03< vultraz_laptop> and, well, it kinda seems pretty useless
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20130528 10:34:27< fabi> Why is it useless?
20130528 10:34:37< LordBob_> Not so sure. Someone might want to apply weather condition with the ToD schedule
20130528 10:34:45< vultraz_laptop> hm...
20130528 10:34:49< LordBob_> such as sandstorms, snowfalls, ...
20130528 10:34:56< LordBob_> Or fog ?
20130528 10:35:07< fabi> But I don't know if the mask supports animations.
20130528 10:35:08< vultraz_laptop> Possibly
20130528 10:35:32< LordBob_> fabi: that'd be worth cheking
20130528 10:35:36< LordBob_> *checking
20130528 10:35:52< vultraz_laptop> LordBob_: so far I've seen, weather efx are done with [terrain_graphics]
20130528 10:36:35< vultraz_laptop> fog might be a use, though..
20130528 10:36:38< LordBob_> Hmm. Well, if the feature exsits somewhere else, it's a different matter
20130528 10:37:07< vultraz_laptop> but you can also do fog with a relatively simple wml event
20130528 10:37:28< LordBob_> But does it handle a recurring schedule easily ?
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20130528 10:37:46< vultraz_laptop> you could have an event to check the tod every turn and apply fog as needed
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20130528 10:38:33< fabi> Let's keep the feature.
20130528 10:38:52< vultraz_laptop> Then this raises a problem with the dialog
20130528 10:39:13< vultraz_laptop> the tod images are a fixed height, you can predict how they'll look
20130528 10:39:26< vultraz_laptop> however, masks could be any size
20130528 10:39:40< vultraz_laptop> and stretch the dialog in a very ugly way
20130528 10:40:06< LordBob_> By the way vultraz_laptop, future ToD images will be in the 160x100 pixels range: better make sure there's enough space for them
20130528 10:40:30< fabi> LordBob_: Do you have a new mockup to show?
20130528 10:40:30< LordBob_> could they ? Aren't they single-hex-sized ?
20130528 10:40:42< LordBob_> fabi: not yet
20130528 10:41:26< LordBob_> fabi: I've been working some more on the ToD display itself, but it's all on paper right now
20130528 10:42:35< vultraz_laptop> LordBob_: yes, there is enough
20130528 10:42:51< LordBob_> vultraz_laptop: something else. When you mention missing +/- buttons, do you mean they need to be added to GUI2, or do you lack the artwork ?
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20130528 10:43:19< vultraz_laptop> LordBob_: the lack art. I can easily add a new button definition in about  2 minutes
20130528 10:43:23< vultraz_laptop> they
20130528 10:43:57< LordBob_> Can you create new ones with icon overlays, or do you need the complete image ?
20130528 10:44:25< vultraz_laptop> LordBob_: currently, we need the complete image for the arrows and +/-, until GUI2 gets overlay= support
20130528 10:44:37< vultraz_laptop> or, any GUI2 image, really
20130528 10:45:17< vultraz_laptop> LordBob_, fabi: anyway, I see 2 major problems with the dialog
20130528 10:45:29< vultraz_laptop> 1. masks could stretch it very large
20130528 10:45:37< LordBob_> Hmm... As much as I dislike the idea, maybe I'll just end doing these complete buttons as placeholders 
20130528 10:45:53< vultraz_laptop> 2. what do we do if the tod image is in a sheet, and it needs a ~CROP
20130528 10:46:48< fabi> vultraz_laptop: We just crop it.
20130528 10:46:59< vultraz_laptop> how does the user define the crop?
20130528 10:47:29< fabi> Like it is done in the 24h schedule already.
20130528 10:48:02< LordBob_> fabi: isn't the 24h schedule hard-coded, though ?
20130528 10:48:10< vultraz_laptop> I know, but say, the user clicks Image, and navigates to the imagesheet
20130528 10:48:24< vultraz_laptop> how does he set what rectangle to crop out
20130528 10:48:26< vultraz_laptop> from within the dialofg
20130528 10:48:38< LordBob_> pixel coordinates ?
20130528 10:48:45< vultraz_laptop> I guess
20130528 10:48:51< vultraz_laptop> but a whole new dialog would have to be made for this
20130528 10:48:54< fabi> Just look in data/macros/schedules.cfg
20130528 10:49:23< vultraz_laptop> fabi: yes I know how they're done in WML. But there is no way for a user to set those vakues from the dialog. A whole new sub-dialog would have to bemade
20130528 10:49:30< vultraz_laptop> values
20130528 10:52:31< LordBob_> vultraz_laptop: a clone of the standard "chose file" dialog with an added option to specify crop coordinates ?
20130528 10:52:34< fabi> Maybe we better go with wml predefined images. Like the [item] and [item_group] does.
20130528 10:54:27< vultraz_laptop> fabi: so..disable the option to select image from the dilog?
20130528 10:54:29< vultraz_laptop> dialog
20130528 10:55:07< fabi> Not quite.
20130528 10:55:30< vultraz_laptop> explain
20130528 10:55:37< fabi> Selection is still possible just not from the filesystem but out of the predefined images.
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20130528 10:57:09< vultraz_laptop> so you would need to define all possible od images somewhere
20130528 10:57:31< fabi> yes
20130528 10:58:31< vultraz> that sounds possible
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20130528 11:00:19< LordBob_> vultraz_laptop: unless I'm mistaken, one thing that I still don't see on the dialog is the name of the overal schedule.
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20130528 11:01:39< fabi> LordBob_: I thought about catching it on okay.
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20130528 11:03:04< LordBob_> Then, what if the user wants to edit an existing schedule ? Shouldn't we display its name somewhere ?
20130528 11:04:13< fabi> LordBob_: Technically, we do not allow the modification of existing ones.
20130528 11:05:24< fabi> The schedules which come with the game are definitely read only.
20130528 11:05:24< LordBob_> Not even a custom-defined schedule the user made earlier and would want to tweak ? I think this might happen a lot if the user tinkers with lighting values
20130528 11:06:16< fabi> Well, he would just start with the custom one and save over the same file.
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20130528 11:07:37< LordBob_> Hmm...Then, multiple edits may result in a crowded list. Does he have the possibility to delete his creations ?
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20130528 11:08:24< LordBob_> Oh wait no, they wouldn't
20130528 11:08:25< fabi> vultraz: LordBob_ is right. We need at least a text field for the translatable name and the id of the schedule.
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20130528 12:41:07< Crab_> flix: hello, and congratulations on getting in :) I hope you're looking forward for a good Summer of Code :)
20130528 12:41:49< flix> Crab_: Just was about to write you :) Thanks! Of course I do! Hope you had a nice vacation! 
20130528 12:42:42< Crab_> flix: yes, it was good (with cities, mountain climbing, and with some adventures in the end :) )
20130528 12:42:54< Crab_> trademark: hello, Pierre. It's good to see that you're in this year, congratulations :)
20130528 12:43:57< flix> Crab_: Can I ask where you have been?
20130528 12:45:54< Crab_> thunderstruck: and congratulations to you, as well. I was, actually, in Edinburgh yesterday, on my way home, and was even toying with the idea of asking if it would be possible to meet you in person - but my train was to leave before Google's accepted student announcement, so it was a bit too early :) maybe, next time.
20130528 12:46:49< Crab_> flix: a day in London, then a small tour of Scotland (with a climb of the highest mountain up there, Ben Nevis), then back to Zurich.
20130528 12:48:10< flix> Crab_: :) sounds great
20130528 12:48:54< trademark> Crab_, thank you, it's really nice ;-)
20130528 12:49:10< lipkab> Crab_: They say there's a yeti living on Ben Nevis. Did you not see it?
20130528 12:49:39< Crab_> lipkab: it might had been hiding in the snow. there were still ~2 meters of snow on the summit. too many stupid tourists :)
20130528 12:50:28< lipkab> Crab_: Ah, too bad. You might have missed your last chance in life to meet a real living yeti.
20130528 12:50:57< Crab_> lipkab: then I guess I'd have to go there again :) I don't mind, it's a nice place.
20130528 12:52:30< lipkab> Crab_: Would you come across with Mr. Ben Yeti sometime, give him my regards.
20130528 12:52:37< lipkab> ...and then run.
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20130528 12:53:20< thunderstruck> Crab_, hello. Thanks! It would have been nice to meet you :) I was thinking about climbing Ben Nevis myself. But didn't hear any rumours about yeti, thought.
20130528 12:53:26< thunderstruck> s/thought/though
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20130528 12:58:31< thunderstruck> Crab_, what else good did you do in Scotland?
20130528 12:58:37< vultraz> fabi: um...it's in the textbox
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20130528 12:59:04< fabi> vultraz: ?
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20130528 13:00:50< Crab_> thunderstruck: wandered around, looked at the highlands, sat near the sea, collected some souvenirs. not much, but I haven't got much time, this time.
20130528 13:01:32< vultraz> [20:08:25]	fabi	vultraz: LordBob_ is right. We need at least a text field for the translatable name and the id of the schedule.                 <- there're 2 textboxes for name and id
20130528 13:01:35< Crab_> flix, thunderstruck: for GSoC, I'll get back to you with my ideas of things that would be nice to do for the projects. For now the deadlines are far away and it's better to not rush into coding but think a little on how you're going to start things.
20130528 13:02:07< fabi> vultraz: But those are for the tod's name, not the name and id of the schedule.
20130528 13:02:21< thunderstruck> Crab_, highlands was indeed a good choice :)
20130528 13:02:45< vultraz> fabi: ah, misunderstood 
20130528 13:02:48< Crab_> thunderstruck: it was great. my only complaint: it's not green yet :(
20130528 13:04:13< Crab_> flix: and, it looks like you'll be better off starting slightly early due to your time off period. but there's still a lot of time, so far.
20130528 13:06:31< flix> Crab_: Yes, I have a lot of time now till my off period. (Nothing else to do here). So I'll start with the things I planed today :).
20130528 13:06:48< Crab_> flix: great
20130528 13:06:49< vultraz> fabi: are we going to allow modifying the schedule name/id?
20130528 13:07:03< fabi> yes
20130528 13:07:56< thunderstruck> Crab_, I am also going to start early. Although, I won't definitely won't rush with the coding, since I am going to have mess with a lot of existing code.
20130528 13:08:07< vultraz> so, two more textboxes?
20130528 13:08:53< Crab_> thunderstruck: great, as well.
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20130528 13:53:53< fabi> vultraz: Yes
20130528 13:53:57< mattsc> flix, thunderstruck, trademark: congrats!
20130528 13:54:43< mattsc> flix: I'm actually on a business trip not vacation, but one of those where I barely have time to keep up with email.  I'm trying to read the IRC logs at least, but am not always successful.
20130528 13:55:45< thunderstruck> mattsc, Thank you!
20130528 13:55:58< flix> mattsc: oh, hello mattsc, thank you :). Hope you enjoy it nevertheless
20130528 13:56:41< mattsc> flix: I am.  Can't really complain about being in Florence, even if I have to spend most of the day inside.  :)
20130528 13:57:56< flix> mattsc: You live in the states, right?
20130528 13:58:02< mattsc> Canada
20130528 14:00:02< flix> mattsc: ahh, okay. A near miss. So enjoy your remaining time in Europe ;)
20130528 14:00:37< mattsc> To the other GSoC applicants (esp. those who have worked on AI before, from my personal, biased point of view): I hope you will consider continuing to contribute to Wesnoth as your time permits.
20130528 14:00:44< mattsc> flix: thanks, I will.
20130528 14:00:52< mattsc> Well, and with that I have to sign off again...
20130528 14:01:18< flix> mattsc: bye
20130528 14:01:31< mattsc> Ciao
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20130528 14:09:44< vultraz> fabi: how about a secondary label next to the title, and have a seperate entry in the tod menu to edit the current schedule's name?
20130528 14:10:46< fabi> ?
20130528 14:11:16< vultraz> instead of added 2 more textboxes, just have the schedule title displayed as static text
20130528 14:11:43< vultraz> and have an entry in the tod menu to change the current schedule's name
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20130528 14:13:03< fabi> That alone won't work.
20130528 14:13:11< vultraz> how so?
20130528 14:14:36< vultraz> I'm also slightly confused on how this whole editing and renaming stuff would work on the default schedules
20130528 14:15:50< vultraz> as you said those are read only
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20130528 17:12:41< flix> trademark: hello :) I came across your last years idea about configuring recruitment (http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36571&p=526035). I'm about to open a new topic for configuration discussions and I hope it's fine for you when I include your idea you posted there (among other things). Your approach for those *recruitment-instructions* seems more flexible then what I had in mind for solving this.
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20130528 17:31:43< trademark> flix, hello, I'm glad this old proposal is useful to someone, however it's been most than one year that I didn't think about this so I'm not "in" but I'm not against questions or whatever that could help ;-)
20130528 17:32:15< trademark> flix, and be free to take any ideas you need from it, it's free.
20130528 17:33:12< trademark> s/most/more
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20130528 17:36:30< flix> trademark: thanks. I'll notify you as soon as I published the post and then I would be thankful for comments ;)
20130528 17:37:22< trademark> flix, ok but I don't promise anything ;) (have a lot of works atm)
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20130528 19:13:37< Ivanovic> fabi: do you still want me to release this weekend?
20130528 19:13:46< Ivanovic> i won't be able the weekend afterwards due to a business trip
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20130528 19:20:54< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman_work, elias, Espreon, Espreon, fabi, jetrel_laptop, loonycyborg, LordBob_, Soliton, timotei_, trademark, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: what do you think of a new 1.11.x release this weekend?
20130528 19:21:27< Ivanovic> most likely friday or saturday
20130528 19:23:46< fabi> Ivanovic: cool
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20130528 20:01:54< mordante> servus
20130528 20:06:03< mordante> vultraz, lordBob GUI2 should support layering of images
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20130528 20:08:29< mordante> anonymissimus thanks for pointing out the patch, will look at it this evening
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20130528 20:14:37< mordante> trademark, flix, thunderstruck congrats with your GSoC membership
20130528 20:14:53< trademark> mordante, thanks
20130528 20:15:26< mordante> trademark, will you be around longer this evening?
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20130528 20:15:59< mordante> timotei_, also congrats
20130528 20:16:20< mordante> lipkab, and to you as well
20130528 20:16:30< lipkab> mordante: Thanks!
20130528 20:16:36< flix> mordante: thank you!
20130528 20:16:50< trademark> mordante, not really available for the next hour, why ?
20130528 20:17:29< mordante> trademark, I'd like to discuss GSoC further, will you be around after the next hour?
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20130528 20:18:33< trademark> mordante, yes of course
20130528 20:18:59< mordante> ok then ping me when you have time
20130528 20:19:24< trademark> mordante, ok I'll the sooner as I can (need to eat and do other stuff)
20130528 20:19:47< thunderstruck> mordante: thanks :)
20130528 20:20:01< mordante> trademark, no real hurry, my dinner is still work in progress ;-)
20130528 20:20:17< mordante> fabi, Ivanovic do we have enough changes to warrant a new development release?
20130528 20:20:40< jetrel_laptop> I'll be getting in sleepwalker's recent dwarven thunderer stuff.
20130528 20:21:04< trademark> mordante, home-made burgers and bear to celebrate my acceptation :)
20130528 20:21:05< mordante> Ivanovic, I will try to look at the cmake's compilation fix this evening, but for now it's a blocker
20130528 20:21:36< mordante> trademark, sounds good, I go for french fries
20130528 20:21:37< jetrel_laptop> I'm also hoping to make a rare, rare exception to my "dev branch only" policy, and get the new HttT portraits back into 1.10.x, for that dai lin guy doing the iOS port.
20130528 20:21:51< trademark> To all: A beer for the Belgian guy accepted into Wesnoth ;)
20130528 20:22:54< fabi> mordante: Yes, there are enough changes to warrant a new release.
20130528 20:23:34< fabi> mordante: But that reminds me to spend more work on updating the changelogs properly.
20130528 20:25:42< mordante> trademark, how nice to have an excuse to drink beer ;-)
20130528 20:26:25< trademark> mordante, ;)
20130528 20:26:28< mordante> fabi, ok. Btw I still haven't found time to work on your patches, but I expect to have time next weekend
20130528 20:27:10< fabi> mordante: The patches are about the new fast menu dialog for the palette groups?
20130528 20:27:29< mordante> the palette groups and the tooltip
20130528 20:28:00< fabi> mordante: Don't hurry. The current solution works fine and is good enough to even go in a stable release.
20130528 20:28:40< fabi> mordante: But we should bring gui1 and gui2 more in sync before the next stable.
20130528 20:29:02< mordante> fabi, well I also want to clean up my patch queues especially since I want to work on other GUI2 things as well
20130528 20:29:18< mordante> and I don't want to have a bunch of half-finished patches floating around
20130528 20:29:32< mordante> afk, food's ready
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20130528 20:29:52< fabi> bon appetit.
20130528 20:30:10< mordante> danke
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20130528 21:19:41< trademark> mordante, I'm here
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20130528 21:41:03< irker263> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master c34528 / data/core/ (editor/time-of-day.cfg macros/schedules.cfg): Added more ToD schedules. http://git.io/sHc9Kg
20130528 21:42:27< vultraz> mordante: how? I tried ~BLIT, but that didn't work
20130528 21:44:10< mordante> vultraz, no that won't work you need the canvas drawing routines
20130528 21:45:57< vultraz> how does that work?
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20130528 22:06:00< mordante> I'm off
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20130528 22:18:45< irker263> wesnoth: fendrin wesnoth-old:master 50682a / data/core/ (editor/time-of-day.cfg macros/schedules.cfg): Adds the indoors schedule. http://git.io/qXplMg
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20130528 22:26:18< flix> trademark: FYI: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38885
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20130528 22:53:52< trademark> flix, I'll try to give a look on your advancement (and give comments if I found any) 
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