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20130506 07:41:58< norbu> ahoy
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20130506 09:11:40< Necrosporus> Is there a campaign for Mal Ravanal?
20130506 09:11:45< Necrosporus> Not against him
20130506 09:19:07< vultraz> not that I know of
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20130506 18:07:01< Sangre> Hi. Is there a tutorial for doing hair Wesnoth style?
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20130506 18:08:09< zookeeper> i'd just print some portraits and show them to the hairdresser rather than try to do it myself, really.
20130506 18:09:06< Sangre> Hahahaha.
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20130506 18:09:32< Sangre> I meant as in painting. 
20130506 18:09:57< Hulavuta1> xD
20130506 18:12:11< zookeeper> i don't think so. i'd just look for tutorials which teach how to paint realistic'ish hair.
20130506 18:12:44< Sangre> Ok. Thanks.
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20130506 18:16:58< Sangre> Hey, look: http://imgur.com/gallery/GmPdh
20130506 18:17:14< Sangre> Photoshop seems to be nothing new.
20130506 18:17:48< Sangre> Cya,
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20130506 18:18:39< Hulavuta1> http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/226815_516881561687819_153705807_n.jpg
20130506 18:18:41< Hulavuta1> oh he left
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20130506 18:41:06< Hulavuta1> That was fast.
20130506 18:41:06< wesbot> Hulavuta1: Sometimes we are fast
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20130506 21:45:06< Mike1> Hi! Those damn human Knights deal 2x37dmg, how insane is that⁈ =(
20130506 21:45:30< Mike1> even with steadfast I don’t stand a chance against a single one of them :(
20130506 21:55:49< Hulavuta1> which faction are you playing?
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20130506 22:02:43< Mike1> the Dark Elves in the Mystery Campaign
20130506 22:03:14< bumbadadabum> Mike1: Hover over their HP to see their resistance.
20130506 22:03:29< bumbadadabum> They're probably weak or non-resistant to pierce
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20130506 22:04:06< Mike1> oh, yes 10% only:(
20130506 22:04:15< Mike1> so steadfast only boosts that to 20%?
20130506 22:04:20< bumbadadabum> yes
20130506 22:06:01< Soliton> got something with firststrike?
20130506 22:06:43< Mike1> no, but now I managed to survive on the tenth try and have them surrounded :)
20130506 22:06:44< bumbadadabum> Mike1: Knights should only do 30 damage during the day, according to my calculations
20130506 22:09:04< Mike1> they are all dead now, but they always make me mad
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20130506 22:09:55< Mike1> I haven’t found any suitable tactic for them, except sacrificing weak units
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20130506 22:12:11< Mike1> and with weak I mean anything with less than 100hp xD
20130506 22:12:59< blarumyrran> i think that then you must be playing something quite distant from standard wesnoth
20130506 22:13:25< Mike1> okay, that was exaggerated
20130506 22:13:52< bumbadadabum> Anything with pierce melee can be used against them
20130506 22:14:27< blarumyrran> (i mean, of core wesnoth units only Fire Dragon, Yeti and Skeleton Dragon have more than 100 hp; but a lot of silly mods completely ignore the commonly accepted values for stats so it must be one of those)
20130506 22:15:07< bumbadadabum> (but a lot of silly mods completely ignore the commonly accepted values for stats so it must be one of those)
20130506 22:15:17< bumbadadabum> Silly mods indeed
20130506 22:15:22< blarumyrran> yea
20130506 22:15:27< blarumyrran> i mean, like Survival Xtreme
20130506 22:15:32< bumbadadabum> There are a lot of add-ons that mess with the HP and levels
20130506 22:15:40< bumbadadabum> blarumyrran: SX has Xtreme in the title
20130506 22:15:46< blarumyrran> yes
20130506 22:15:53< bumbadadabum> you can kinda expect it to do that
20130506 22:15:55< blarumyrran> yes
20130506 22:15:59< Mike1> I just wanted to point out how impossible it is to make a stand against Knights
20130506 22:16:04< blarumyrran> that's why it serves as a good example
20130506 22:16:08< bumbadadabum> Mike1: Pierce melee
20130506 22:16:25< bumbadadabum> blarumyrran: There are others, though
20130506 22:16:40< bumbadadabum> I know Legend of the Invincibles has 3000 HP level 25 units
20130506 22:17:04< blarumyrran> bumbadadabum, i know there are others, hence the plural of silly mods
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20130506 22:17:15< blarumyrran> and the quantifier, "a lot of"
20130506 22:17:22< bumbadadabum> I know
20130506 22:17:33< bumbadadabum> I just felt like defending SX cause I like it
20130506 22:17:42< blarumyrran> Mike1, afaik no units in the horseman line get defence over 40% on any terrain
20130506 22:17:55< blarumyrran> so the main thing you should do is put your units on good terrain?
20130506 22:18:09< Mike1> the problem is surviving their first attack
20130506 22:18:34< Mike1> after coming close enough (especially with mages and archers) it’s easy
20130506 22:20:05< bumbadadabum> Mike1: Spearmen are amazing against Horsemen
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20130506 22:20:39< Mike1> bumbadadabum: can they survive on the defence?
20130506 22:20:59< Mike1> they only have first strike, don't they?
20130506 22:21:10< bumbadadabum> 75% chance to live on defense against 1 knight
20130506 22:21:15< bumbadadabum> but yeah, firststrike
20130506 22:21:19< bumbadadabum> that deals a lot of damage
20130506 22:26:24< blarumyrran> i tried survival xtreme once, but it felt very dumb
20130506 22:26:55< Mike1> blarumyrran: Knights have 17-2 attack in daylight
20130506 22:27:03< Mike1> btw
20130506 22:27:11< Mike1> (just encountering the next bunch of them -.-)
20130506 22:27:43< blarumyrran> as in the only important skill involved seemed to be a knowledge of how to optimize the gold vs upgrades
20130506 22:28:11< blarumyrran> which is a dumb skill, it's not fun in any way
20130506 22:28:34< blarumyrran> i haven't played dota but i've got the impression that dota is the same way
20130506 22:28:45< bumbadadabum> blarumyrran: It's not like dota at all
20130506 22:29:07< blarumyrran> that there's a body of knowledge out there of, how to optimize gold spent versus stuff received for it, that forms the core of the game
20130506 22:29:38< blarumyrran> and that's all that matters; completely nonemergent stuff like that, there's no intuition or anything that makes stuff in games fun
20130506 22:29:42< bumbadadabum> I actually like the upgrade strategies
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20130506 22:32:11< blarumyrran> i like a kind of intuition in games, i think that is the best part of games
20130506 22:32:16< blarumyrran> maybe there's a better word for it
20130506 22:33:20< blarumyrran> but i mean like in ace of spades - i hav no explicit model in my mind for, how should i expect enemies to be located - but at a certain moment i have an intuition that, by now someone should have reached the top of the hill from which i am running away, and should be aiming for me, so ill crouch and turn around quickly
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20130506 22:33:29< blarumyrran> because i have an intuition for the distances involved and such
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20130506 22:34:01< blarumyrran> and i think the big part of why that feels fun is that, its hard to formalize
20130506 22:35:43< blarumyrran> as in it would be very hard for me to write down the weighted reasons for why should i expect to be at a certain place at a certain time
20130506 22:36:06< blarumyrran> but the gold vs upgrades kind of stategies, that is very easy to formalize like that
20130506 22:36:57< blarumyrran> why should i expect an enemy to be at a cetrain place at a certain time*
20130506 22:37:54< blarumyrran> and the gold vs upgrades strategies feel decisevely unfun for me so i think it's that difference
20130506 22:39:51< blarumyrran> i remember that, when i was in school, in the physical education sessions, we used to play volleyball a lot, and i hated it
20130506 22:39:57< blarumyrran> & looking back,
20130506 22:39:58< janebot> blarumyrran: Yep.
20130506 22:40:13< blarumyrran> i think that too was mostly a matter of intuition
20130506 22:40:37< blarumyrran> it was fun for the others because they could excercise an intuition for their body & the surrounding space
20130506 22:40:38< bumbadadabum> Nah, volleyball just sucks
20130506 22:40:44< blarumyrran> but i have absolutely no intuition for that
20130506 22:41:06< blarumyrran> i constantly stumble & am clusmy in general
20130506 22:41:12< bumbadadabum> Me too
20130506 22:41:14< blarumyrran> because what is volleyball about
20130506 22:42:08< blarumyrran> it is about, you should have an intuition for, when the ball is coming for you then, at what time should your arms and chest and head and legs be moving in certain directions at certain speeds, to get the ball going in a good direction?
20130506 22:42:17< blarumyrran> & i think thhat is the same kind of intuition
20130506 22:42:18< janebot> blarumyrran: Of course!
20130506 22:42:41< blarumyrran>  /ignore *janebot*
20130506 22:42:56< bumbadadabum> janebot: shut up for a second, will you?
20130506 22:42:57< janebot> bumbadadabum: No.
20130506 22:43:42< blarumyrran> ... fine, gambot
20130506 22:44:22< blarumyrran> and again - that kind of feeling of when you should start moving what limbs,
20130506 22:44:33< blarumyrran> that's very hard to formalize as in
20130506 22:44:39< blarumyrran> when someone would later ask you,
20130506 22:45:19< blarumyrran> why, when playing volleyball, did you throw away the ball in such moves of your bvarious limbs instead of another set of moves
20130506 22:45:33< blarumyrran> & i imagine that's what makes it fun
20130506 22:45:34< janebot> blarumyrran: Yep.
20130506 22:46:43< bumbadadabum> blarumyrran: If you don't use & everything is fine
20130506 22:46:49< bumbadadabum> & janebot sucks
20130506 22:46:51< janebot> bumbadadabum: Yes.
20130506 22:46:53< blarumyrran> i like & though
20130506 22:47:00< blarumyrran> in estonian, we have two words for "and"
20130506 22:47:05< blarumyrran> they are completely interchangeable
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20130506 22:47:09< bumbadadabum>  & would a space work?
20130506 22:47:12< blarumyrran> "ja" and "ning"
20130506 22:47:35< blarumyrran> "ning" is dated further back historically, "ja" is more common today, but both are accepted
20130506 22:47:41< blarumyrran> and the good thing about that is,
20130506 22:47:44< bumbadadabum> ja = dutch/german word for yes
20130506 22:47:51< blarumyrran> that you can use it hierarchically
20130506 22:47:52< bumbadadabum> probably also Swedish
20130506 22:47:57< bumbadadabum> but I'm not sure
20130506 22:48:06< blarumyrran> john and mary and george and bethany married
20130506 22:48:11< blarumyrran> is a very confusing sentence
20130506 22:48:23< blarumyrran> but john & mary and goerge & bethany married
20130506 22:48:25< blarumyrran> is a lot better
20130506 22:48:40< blarumyrran> you instill a hierarchy with the 2 different ways of saying "and", with and and &
20130506 22:48:58< blarumyrran> i really like that in estonian so the habit carries over to english
20130506 22:49:38< blarumyrran> so i use & a lot because you that's probably the most commonly accepted alternative to "and" in english
20130506 22:50:05< bumbadadabum> uhu
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20130506 22:55:17< zookeeper> urgh, volleyball, almost as bad as basketball
20130506 22:55:24< bumbadadabum> yup
20130506 22:55:33< blarumyrran> it's worse than basketball i think
20130506 22:55:50< blarumyrran> i got hit a lot more against the head when playing volleyball, than when playing basketball
20130506 22:55:53< zookeeper> what i never grasped was how the heck does one manage to control where the ball goes. when i hit the ball, it could go in any direction in a 180-degree arc
20130506 22:56:22< bumbadadabum> I have the same with soccer
20130506 22:56:31< bumbadadabum> I can hit the ball
20130506 22:56:45< bumbadadabum> but not in the direction I want it to go
20130506 22:57:10< zookeeper> i never developed the feel for how many steps you can take while holding the ball and the exact timing and stuff, it was annoying
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20130506 22:58:21< bumbadadabum> I never developed a feel for any sport
20130506 22:58:26< blarumyrran> same here; somehow i never had a problem with soccer
20130506 23:00:37< zookeeper> i think a lot of my frustration with team sports was due to not having enough time to internalize the rules properly. soccer has so little rules that it was ok even though i wasn't good at it, but a lot of other ones had all these subtle rules i never had time to keep track of
20130506 23:01:03< bumbadadabum> The thing I hate about team sports: the team
20130506 23:01:08< zookeeper> well that too
20130506 23:01:48< bumbadadabum> I was the guy who got picked last every time
20130506 23:02:08< bumbadadabum> and who was excluded everywhere because I was too bad
20130506 23:03:29< zookeeper> i was sometimes the last to be picked, but usually the second or third last :P
20130506 23:04:00< bumbadadabum> With me it was so bad they picked all girls before me
20130506 23:05:20< blarumyrran> i had an incredibly strong instinct to put my arms between myself and the thing heading at high speed towards my head
20130506 23:05:32< blarumyrran> which had to be ignored to be any good, which was difficult
20130506 23:08:37< AI0867> slapping things out of that path is easy. The problem is that many sports want you to actually catch the darn thing
20130506 23:09:41< bumbadadabum> blarumyrran: Soccer doesn't like that
20130506 23:09:49< bumbadadabum> too many fouls
20130506 23:11:05< blarumyrran> but in soccer, the ball usually doesn't travel at the heigh of your head, so it's fine
20130506 23:11:11< AI0867> it's even more fun in hockey, where the ball is small, heavier, and quite hard
20130506 23:11:22< blarumyrran> while in volleyball it travels at the height of your head constantly
20130506 23:11:34< bumbadadabum> blarumyrran: Well, I got nosebleeds very often
20130506 23:11:47< bumbadadabum> from balls always going in my direction
20130506 23:11:50< bumbadadabum> towards my head
20130506 23:13:15< blarumyrran> i haven't played (ice) hockey, don'th they use helmets & stuff there?
20130506 23:13:50< bumbadadabum> Only for the keeper.
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20130506 23:35:47< AI0867> blarumyrran: this is field hockey, not the american-football-like armored stuff on ice
20130506 23:36:07< AI0867> and yes, the ball is harder and heavier than a puck
20130506 23:36:43< AI0867> relevant: http://what-if.xkcd.com/39/
20130506 23:37:34< blarumyrran> is Floorball the same as Field Hockey?
20130506 23:38:10< blarumyrran> i've played floorball, the ball wasn't heavy at all
20130506 23:38:11< AI0867> rules (that may no longer be valid) state that you may stop (that is, make it drop straight down) an airborne ball headed towards your upper body with your hands
20130506 23:38:24< AI0867> that still hurts like hell, but it probably won't break your face
20130506 23:38:45< AI0867> I have no idea what floorball is
20130506 23:39:04< AI0867> a hockey ball isn't a ball of iron or something like that, but it is a lot heavier than a football
20130506 23:39:12< blarumyrran> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Innebandy_boll.jpg
20130506 23:39:21< AI0867> think of it like a sphere-shaped puck with a metal core
20130506 23:39:23< blarumyrran> okay then probably noy
20130506 23:39:26< blarumyrran> not*
20130506 23:39:39< AI0867> ah, those things
20130506 23:40:02< AI0867> the metal core is needed because it doesn't get to glide over ice
20130506 23:40:16< AI0867> it has to roll through grass (real or fake), which requires momentum
20130506 23:40:26< AI0867> at least if you want it to go anywhere
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