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20130519 00:19:19< siddh> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=38827&p=553553#p553553
20130519 00:19:29< siddh> I posted about it there or it was in the thread but added a comment
20130519 00:21:26< celticminstrel> Is that the same thread from yesterday?
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20130519 01:31:21< siddh> yeh
20130519 01:32:03< siddh> oh it was 1 hour ago
20130519 01:32:04< siddh> :D
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20130519 05:54:33< siddh> hello
20130519 05:54:54< siddh> anyone got an idea what might be causing the following problem: unit has different defense in the terrain than what it says in the profile or what it has been assigned? :D
20130519 05:56:18< siddh> to be a bit more specific in villages
20130519 05:57:09< siddh> and the problem occurs with only a single unit type, not with other units D:
20130519 05:57:53< siddh> ahh nevermidn it must be because the village is on specific terrain 
20130519 05:59:06< siddh> oh that explains the feral trait, never really thought about it
20130519 05:59:07< siddh> :D
20130519 06:00:25< siddh> hmm
20130519 06:00:33< celticminstrel> Huh? I'm not even sure what's up here.
20130519 06:03:19< blarumyrran> units are also known to have magical 100% defense that is not mentioned anywhere the player could be expected to look
20130519 06:03:27< blarumyrran> so watch out for that
20130519 06:04:02< blarumyrran> (and magical 0% defense)
20130519 06:05:04< siddh> fixed :D
20130519 06:05:41< siddh> created an additional must have undead trait and applied the defense adjustment to it copied from feral trait, but changed value
20130519 06:06:08< blarumyrran> (eg the hidden 100% is on Malin's sister in one scenario of DiD, and the magical 0% is on some enemy leader in EI that you're supposed to kill early so you'd get a keep to recruit on quickly)
20130519 06:06:24< blarumyrran> s/magical/hidden
20130519 06:07:47< blarumyrran> this is because the developers are sadistic and want you to never trust the percents
20130519 06:08:11< celticminstrel> What are these magical defences?
20130519 06:08:17< blarumyrran> well i just said
20130519 06:08:22< blarumyrran> <blarumyrran> (eg the hidden 100% is on Malin's sister in one scenario of DiD, and the magical 0% is on some enemy leader in EI that you're supposed to kill early so you'd get a keep to recruit on quickly)
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20130519 06:08:54< celticminstrel> What makes it magical though?
20130519 06:09:23< blarumyrran> ... by "magical" i meant that it violates all expectations that the player should have built up at the point he comes across these
20130519 06:09:49< siddh> if you want to somehow use a key for the terrain the unit is in at the moment, how could I do that? :D
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20130519 06:11:07< blarumyrran> eg the expectation that the hit/miss randomness is fairly calculated based on the terrain defense %
20130519 06:11:22< blarumyrran> as shown in lots of places on the ui
20130519 06:11:57< blarumyrran> as opposed to some hidden trickery!
20130519 06:12:23< celticminstrel> Ah.
20130519 06:15:19< siddh> Hmm I'm tired of trying to fix this war fan thing I'll just do what 8680 suggested and make it into a weapon special and give the unita  ranged attack D:
20130519 06:16:56< blarumyrran> :D what does it do, blow the enemies away?
20130519 06:17:26< blarumyrran> i hope it's anchored to the ground then!
20130519 06:19:13< siddh> nah the War Fan refers to an object 
20130519 06:19:21< siddh> you know those japanese fans you kind of flap to cool yourself?
20130519 06:19:43< siddh> like you can open them and they are made of like silk paper or something ?
20130519 06:20:02< blarumyrran> yes
20130519 06:20:05< siddh> well anyway there also those that are exactly similar, but made from steel or iron and have like shart edges 
20130519 06:20:09< siddh> *sharp
20130519 06:20:33< blarumyrran> I was thinking, a "gun turret" with a giant this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sSJDNKf5PqU/Tery1c6OD_I/AAAAAAAABN0/09iKh6BYoJo/s1600/fan.jpg instead of the gun, would be neat in a rts kind of game
20130519 06:20:35< siddh> so anyway the ability is supposed to reduce chance to be hit by ranged attacks
20130519 06:20:39< blarumyrran> it would blow the enemies away
20130519 06:21:05< siddh> yes that always works 
20130519 06:21:08< siddh> :DD
20130519 06:21:26< blarumyrran> yes
20130519 06:23:01< blarumyrran> but if you use it too much, you get an electricity bill you can't pay, and all your power is shut off
20130519 06:23:24< blarumyrran> The menacing race of repo-men come from beneath the earth, and start confiscating your stuff till the bill is paid
20130519 06:26:08< celticminstrel> ...um.
20130519 06:26:20< celticminstrel> From your description, it should be a separate attack, shouldn't it?
20130519 06:26:42< celticminstrel> Oh, but it's supposed to do what now.
20130519 06:26:52< celticminstrel> ...waaait, does this unit normally have a ranged attack?
20130519 06:27:26< celticminstrel> If it's not intended to be used on a unit that has a ranged attack, then making it an attack would be exactly what you want, I think.
20130519 06:27:35< celticminstrel> An attack that does no damage.
20130519 06:27:53< celticminstrel> If it's meant to be used on a unit that does normally have a ranged attack, though... I dunno.
20130519 06:27:56< blarumyrran> uh is that possible? I recall 1 damage being the minimum damage
20130519 06:28:11< celticminstrel> No clue!
20130519 06:28:30< celticminstrel> On the other hand, the name "war fan" doesn't really seem to match the ability. >_>
20130519 06:29:36< blarumyrran> "This unit is a big fan of war. He attends war conventions and collects war-related merchanidse."
20130519 06:30:12< celticminstrel> ...pffft.
20130519 06:31:05< ancestral> I think the word you’re looking for is “war-related memorabilia.”
20130519 06:31:13< blarumyrran> no
20130519 06:31:22< ancestral> No?
20130519 06:31:46< ancestral> Like: http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Herman's_Military_Antiques
20130519 06:32:14< blarumyrran> i was thinking along, star wars action figures
20130519 06:32:19< blarumyrran> but just for, war
20130519 06:32:22< blarumyrran> in general
20130519 06:32:45< blarumyrran> memorabilia doesn't suggest such strong commercialization & franchise-basedness, I think
20130519 06:32:47< ancestral> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MuywHuEoM
20130519 06:33:10< blarumyrran> I do not understand
20130519 06:33:41< ancestral> I suppose the scene may be hard to understand without context. They're Star Wars action figures
20130519 06:33:48< siddh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_fan
20130519 06:33:50< ancestral> Ralph bent his Wookiee
20130519 06:34:18< ancestral> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessenjutsu
20130519 06:35:26< blarumyrran> ancestral: does wookiee have some double meaning
20130519 06:35:28< blarumyrran> or what's the joke
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20130519 06:38:02< ancestral> Sometimes humor cannot be explained
20130519 06:38:09< blarumyrran> ok
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20130519 19:20:03< Mike1> I’ve encountered a bug with the randomness!
20130519 19:20:28< Mike1> the enemy has a 0.8% chance to leave unscathed
20130519 19:20:35< Mike1> and it’s the 5th time I didn’t hit o.O
20130519 19:20:56< Mike1> Great Mage vs. Orcish Warlord
20130519 19:21:26< Mike1> can’t hit him with anything o.O
20130519 19:21:51< Mike1> maybe he’s invincible on purpose
20130519 19:22:09< Mike1> „Blackwater Port“ scenario in the TtoC campaign
20130519 19:22:37< AI0867> TtoC?
20130519 19:23:02< Mike1> The Tale of Crelanu
20130519 19:23:14< AI0867> don't know the campaign
20130519 19:23:54< Mike1> it seems to be pretty sophisticated and serious :)
20130519 19:24:24< Mike1> and it’s set in the „usual“ Wesnoth world with king Haldric etc.
20130519 19:25:37< Mike1> interesting, my Ally is able to hit the Warlord :D
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