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20130522 05:05:34< siddh> hello
20130522 05:05:41< Espreon> Hello
20130522 05:08:38< siddh> what's up? :)
20130522 05:09:00< Espreon> Nothing much.
20130522 05:09:02< Espreon> You?
20130522 05:09:47< siddh> not much 
20130522 05:09:51< siddh> woke up a couple of hours ago
20130522 05:10:00< siddh> added another faction  to this era im trying to piece together
20130522 05:10:17< siddh> Dwarves :D got 8 dwarves and still still gotta add some other units
20130522 05:10:55< siddh> but the dwarves are super-imbalanced right now 
20130522 05:11:19< siddh> :D
20130522 05:11:26< Espreon> Uh-huh... I see.
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20130522 05:13:30< siddh> problem with making many units that are simply dwarves is that I kind of lack the imagination to.. Hmm create this dimension you know like how are the units really different and such? D:
20130522 05:18:06< siddh> I'd need to make this filter that checks how many movement points the unit has left
20130522 05:18:20< siddh> Does anyone know how to do that? :D
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20130522 05:52:45< siddh> hmm apparently I made an attack range filter incorrectly. I posted about it in hte WML workshop if anyone is interested. I think I did  the [filter]part wrong
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20130522 07:47:05< siddh> h,mm
20130522 07:47:32< siddh> since u cant filter for melee range in the resistance tag, is it possible to use some other tag where to use the filter, and then put the resistance tag inside that other tag? or does it work that way?
20130522 07:52:34< zookeeper> it doesn't
20130522 07:54:15< siddh> oh wel
20130522 07:54:39< zookeeper> the [damage] workaround should be good enough
20130522 07:54:44< siddh> so I have to create dummy attacks for every unit with hte ability and then add the weaponpower to them 
20130522 07:55:00< siddh> I mean you dont even need the melee filter if u do that 
20130522 07:55:09< siddh> since it already filters for range to put hte ability on a melee or ranged attack
20130522 07:55:22< zookeeper> why dummy attacks? don't they have melee attacks to begin with?
20130522 07:55:31< siddh> no they dont 
20130522 07:55:53< zookeeper> uh, okay. so you have units trained in iaido who cannot melee? :x
20130522 07:55:57< siddh> unless of course you want to create an ability and manually put it on both ranged and melee attacks, and then for some reason also make it not work for melee or ranged attacks xd
20130522 07:56:08< siddh> yeah but there's other abilities of the same type I got
20130522 07:56:16< siddh> like "shield" which is the same but gives resistance to ranged attacks
20130522 07:56:31< zookeeper> okay then
20130522 07:56:32< siddh> so now I have to create a ranged attack for those units, and also add the iaido ability to each melee attack for those units that have them
20130522 07:56:47< siddh> I guess I cant be helped
20130522 07:56:52< siddh> it
20130522 07:57:03< siddh> but it certainly doesnt make sense
20130522 07:57:14< zookeeper> in that case my idea isn't great, but i can't think of better alternatives
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20130522 07:58:52< siddh> alright well hmm 
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20130522 07:59:58< zookeeper> siddh, err, okay, one _possible_ alternative: give the unit the [resistance] ability so that it grants 10% extra resistance, but then give the _ranged_ attack a [damage] special which gives the enemy 10% more damage to offset the [resistance]
20130522 08:00:17< siddh> yeah I thought of that too
20130522 08:00:23< siddh> but it involves creating a dummy ranged attack
20130522 08:00:27< siddh> so it's the same
20130522 08:00:34< siddh> is there a possibilityof making ability that is like an event
20130522 08:00:35< zookeeper> the unit doesn't have _any_ attacks? D:
20130522 08:00:39< siddh> or it calls for an event or something?
20130522 08:00:47< siddh> there's 3 dwarves 
20130522 08:00:56< siddh> with shield ability that gives then resistanec to ranged attacks
20130522 08:01:06< siddh> and I think there's 4 humans with the iaido ability, that get melee blade resistance
20130522 08:01:08< siddh> or are supposed to get
20130522 08:01:19< siddh> and only 1 of the dwarves has a ranged attack
20130522 08:01:23< zookeeper> right
20130522 08:01:56< zookeeper> and yes, you can do stuff with events, but technically the events don't directly have anything to do with the abilities/specials
20130522 08:02:40< siddh> yeah but is it possible to create an ability that somehow calls for that resistance thing and it's filtered by the melee range. Or an event that filters for melee range, and activates some ability. or something like that? I mean it would be a lot more convenient
20130522 08:03:10< zookeeper> just include any events you want in your [era] or [unit_type] (in which case they'll be active after a unit of that type appears in a scenario) to do stuff that the ability tags alone can't do
20130522 08:03:38< zookeeper> you can make an attack event which modifies the attacking or defending unit somehow
20130522 08:04:05< zookeeper> but the downside is that those effects then won't show up in damage calculations
20130522 08:04:10< siddh> in fact since the melee/ranged system works like that it would actually make sense to 
20130522 08:04:20< siddh> create additional abilities called "melee" and "ranged" xd
20130522 08:04:51< siddh> and then attach those to all attacks with the filters or something
20130522 08:05:10< siddh> and then use dummy abilities with those 
20130522 08:06:00< siddh> like include in hte melee ability a damage tag which filters for ability shield
20130522 08:06:07< siddh> i mean ranged ability
20130522 08:06:12< siddh> and for the melee ability a damage tag for the iaido
20130522 08:07:24< siddh> since u can put several of them into hte abilities? Like 1 weaponpower can have severa ldamage tags?
20130522 08:08:04< siddh> uh oh this also means that the 
20130522 08:08:08< siddh> terrain resistance ability i made doesnt work
20130522 08:08:21< siddh> it was supposed to give resistances to units in ranged combat on hills,mountains and forests
20130522 08:08:36< siddh> I guess if I want that to work I really need to amke the melee / ranged abilities
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20130522 08:08:46< siddh> saves a lot of work compares to doing dummy abilities for each of those separately
20130522 08:09:24< zookeeper> you lost me, but nevermind.
20130522 08:09:30< siddh> like
20130522 08:09:38< siddh> create weapon special called "melee"
20130522 08:09:45< siddh> and whenever you need something like this
20130522 08:09:49< siddh> you add a damage tag into hte melee special
20130522 08:09:53< siddh> and all units would have it by default
20130522 08:09:58< siddh> saves a lot of work
20130522 08:10:04< siddh> same for ranged
20130522 08:10:27< siddh> that terrain resistance ability was supposed to be an ability that each unit has, and it gives a resistance bonus, if the unit is on a mountain. With a melee range filter
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20130522 08:11:51< siddh> so because of the limitations of the melee filter you create weaponspecials caled melee and ranged, to make for a better filter
20130522 08:12:12< siddh> I'll show you in a bit
20130522 08:15:57< siddh> kk
20130522 08:16:15< siddh> http://pastebin.com/JHsHbdvP
20130522 08:16:47< siddh> so you can see you don't need the melee filter 
20130522 08:17:07< siddh> because it already filters for range to attach an ability to a melee attack
20130522 08:17:18< siddh> (although i dont know if that actually works) :D
20130522 08:17:38< siddh> anyway so whenever you want to create a similar ability
20130522 08:17:54< siddh> you just create the dummy ability, and then apply an ability filter to the weapon_special_melee
20130522 08:19:40< zookeeper> sure, that works. but i'd still leave those specials invisible.
20130522 08:19:57< siddh> oh 
20130522 08:20:02< siddh> how do I do that?
20130522 08:20:32< zookeeper> just leave the name and descriptions empty
20130522 08:20:45< siddh> kk
20130522 08:20:49< siddh> here's the other ability
20130522 08:20:56< siddh> which is hte reason why this makes a lot of sense
20130522 08:21:20< siddh> http://pastebin.com/gYfcjws5
20130522 08:21:51< siddh> :DD
20130522 08:21:59< siddh> or the 3rd ability rather
20130522 08:22:07< siddh> it works but the melee filters in it don't 
20130522 08:24:34< siddh> hmm well this worked out perfectly then if you can leave htose invisible too 
20130522 08:24:49< siddh> all i have to do is just change the ablities to dummies and then make them in hte melee special
20130522 08:24:52< siddh> or ranged
20130522 08:31:29< siddh> http://pastebin.com/Sbezh4C1 <-- for an example in the ranged part i got terrain filters, is that gonna work ? 
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20130522 08:36:49< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure you want all of them to have an id, but other than that can't check right now since i can't reach wesnoth.org
20130522 08:37:19< siddh> hmm
20130522 08:37:42< siddh> I'll test it I already made them anyway :D
20130522 08:42:01< siddh> ops I forgot the slash from hte closing tags :D
20130522 08:42:03< siddh> got soem errors
20130522 08:42:35< siddh> fixed.. now let's see :D
20130522 08:44:47< siddh> hmm it seems to work i think
20130522 08:45:19< siddh> yea
20130522 08:45:35< siddh> an 1.1 multiplier is showing up in the damage calcluations at least
20130522 08:45:37< siddh> so I think it works
20130522 08:46:10< siddh> pretty cool huh? :D
20130522 08:46:19< zookeeper> yep
20130522 08:47:06< siddh> hmm
20130522 08:47:24< siddh> but it doesnt workproperly 
20130522 08:47:32< siddh> Im getting a 1.1 multiplier wiht a type that's supposed to be 0.9 
20130522 08:47:50< siddh> hmm do I have to use the [and]tags if i have 2 filters?
20130522 08:48:28< siddh> or does it work like if I got [damage][filter][filter_location][/filter_location][/filter] [filter][filter_weapon][/filter_weapon][/filter][/damage] ?
20130522 08:50:27< siddh> but it's showing up anyway there is a 1.1 multiplier in the calculations so I think that's probably the problem, but not sure. now need to smoke :D
20130522 08:50:29< siddh> brb
20130522 08:55:24< zookeeper> no, you can't use multiple [filter] blocks
20130522 08:56:21< zookeeper> not to mention there's no [filter] for weapon specials
20130522 09:00:56< siddh> kk
20130522 09:01:07< siddh> yea but they're not weapon specials but abilities 
20130522 09:01:33< siddh> i mean Im not sure what you mean :D
20130522 09:01:57< siddh> but this can be done, if I just get the tags right?
20130522 09:02:04< siddh> like [and] ?
20130522 09:04:02< zookeeper> you don't need [and], just put [filter_location] and [filter_weapon] side-by-side
20130522 09:04:18< siddh> kk thx :D
20130522 09:04:29< zookeeper> it's all listed in the wiki, you don't need to guess
20130522 09:09:13< siddh> I probably had [filter] in every weapon special so far
20130522 09:09:31< siddh> which involved somekind of filter attempt
20130522 09:10:08< siddh> except warfan, but that was made by 8680 
20130522 09:10:11< siddh> :D
20130522 09:10:17< siddh> hmm no i didnt :o
20130522 09:18:29< siddh> kk now everyunit has their melee or ranged special :D
20130522 09:18:48< siddh> let's see if removing the [filter]s fixed everything :D
20130522 09:22:33< siddh> hmm
20130522 09:23:30< siddh> ohh
20130522 09:23:48< siddh> maybe I should have M*^* instead of M* in location filters? :D
20130522 09:32:13< siddh> well the ability filter works
20130522 09:32:22< siddh> I get 0.8 for those with the shield dummy ability
20130522 09:32:27< siddh> so that's good 
20130522 09:32:32< siddh> but I probably got this opponent filter wrong
20130522 10:00:29< siddh> Can  you filter based on the terrain the opponent unit is on?
20130522 10:00:41< zookeeper> yes, you can filter on the opponent.
20130522 10:01:22< siddh> so does it go like this [filter_opponent][filter_location] terrain= or just [filter_opponent] terrain= , or something else ? with hte closing tags too 
20130522 10:02:00< zookeeper> former
20130522 10:02:24< siddh> kk
20130522 10:02:34< siddh> hmm i tried that already though but i think I did somethin else wrong then
20130522 10:02:35< siddh> :D
20130522 10:15:21< siddh> hmm
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20130522 10:27:22< siddh> weird I've basically spent more time with this melee range filter than with making the entire faction 
20130522 10:29:10< siddh> and it still doesnt work which Im not sure why 
20130522 10:29:11< siddh> :D
20130522 10:46:25< siddh> well I don't know how to fix it
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20130522 10:51:47< siddh> oh well there was a typo
20130522 10:51:54< siddh> == instead of =. I sure hope that was it
20130522 10:52:04< siddh> :DD
20130522 10:53:22< siddh> nope
20130522 11:01:55< siddh> alright it works partially now
20130522 11:02:11< siddh> but it still picks up this extra 1.1 multiplier from somewhere and I don't get it
20130522 11:02:11< siddh> :D
20130522 11:04:50< siddh> it grabs it from the mountain so I think it must be from the weaponspecial
20130522 11:05:03< siddh> and that the damagetype filter doesnt work  for some reason
20130522 11:05:15< siddh> maybe it doesn't support non-standard damagetypes like lightning?
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20130522 11:15:35< siddh> or this weapon_special system doesnt really support several damage tags
20130522 11:15:43< siddh> which probably the most likely cause
20130522 11:20:33< siddh> something along those lines 
20130522 11:37:41< siddh> nah it was all my bad
20130522 11:37:47< siddh> [filter_self] tags were missing
20130522 11:37:49< siddh> D:
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20130522 19:41:54< ScislaC> ping ivanovic or noy
20130522 19:42:13< noy> hello ScislaC. I assume you're pinging me about GSOC. 
20130522 19:42:21< ScislaC> noy: you know it :)
20130522 19:42:29< noy> I might be able to answer some questions, but truth be told I've been away for three weeks
20130522 19:42:37< noy> do I'm out of the loop
20130522 19:42:39< noy> so*
20130522 19:42:57< ScislaC> I will PM you real quick then
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