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20130601 03:48:43< shadowm> zookeeper: Is it just me, or all mainline campaigns except for DM, NR, and LoW use 40% gold carryover, whereas those three use 80%? Any particular reason for this?
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20130601 09:24:39< zookeeper> shadowm, yeah, i haven't maintained any of those three
20130601 09:27:11< zookeeper> nor wanted to have anything to do with them
20130601 09:27:32< shadowm> Oooookay. But the mainline standard is 40%, yes?
20130601 09:27:45< zookeeper> so it seems, and so i was originally intending it
20130601 09:27:57< shadowm> Have the maintainers of those three campaigns ever been notified?
20130601 09:28:39< zookeeper> fendrin has, but at least at some point he said he wanted to keep the 80%
20130601 09:29:39< zookeeper> dunno if that's still true
20130601 09:33:50< zookeeper> i'm sure it's been brought up when DM was mainlined, and as for NR, no one seems to care about it as usual
20130601 09:34:34< shadowm> <Insert stock comment from vultraz wondering by NR is still mainline here.>
20130601 09:35:43< zookeeper> yeah. why is it still mainline? :>
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20130601 10:13:26< mordante> servus
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20130601 10:19:39< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 6b4e82 / src/time_of_day.hpp: Fix usage of the explicit keyword. http://git.io/Qfb-MQ
20130601 10:26:25< fabi> hi mordante
20130601 10:29:23< mordante> hi fabi 
20130601 10:37:31< Ivanovic> to release or not release...
20130601 10:38:48< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, Espreon, fabi, mordante, shadowm, Soliton, trademark, zookeeper, everyone else who cares:
20130601 10:39:00< Ivanovic> what do you think, should I release today or should i wait?
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20130601 10:39:25< mordante> Ivanovic, I've no blockers, a few pedantic compilation fixes, but I expect I'm the only user of it
20130601 10:39:35< Ivanovic> that is: if I wait the release can either be tomorrow (someone else might have to update the website since the last time i can do so will be tuesday, then I will be gone for 10 days)
20130601 10:40:01< Ivanovic> if not today or tomorrow I will not be able to release until *at least* the 15th
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20130601 10:40:21< mordante> I wouldn't mind waiting 15 days
20130601 10:41:04< mordante> especially if you can't release and we run into another brown paper bag bug...
20130601 10:43:30< Ivanovic> jepp, that would be a reason speaking against releasing now
20130601 10:44:52< shadowm> Ivanovic: I've got a reason against releasing so soon.
20130601 10:45:07< shadowm> https://gna.org/bugs/?20853
20130601 10:45:29< Ivanovic> okay, that one sounds evil
20130601 10:45:32< shadowm> And why do you want to release that soon after 1.11.4 anyway?
20130601 10:45:43< Ivanovic> shadowm: because fabi requested a release
20130601 10:46:05< Ivanovic> and if there is no reason speaking against a release (like the blocker you pointed out
20130601 10:46:14< Ivanovic> ) i could just release
20130601 10:47:27< shadowm> Yeah, no. That bug IMO is the kind of thing that is so incredibly simple and evident that releasing without fixing it first would seem suspicious.
20130601 10:48:00< shadowm> Like, "how competent is the development team?" kind of suspicious.
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20130601 10:48:25< Ivanovic> that is why i ask if releasing now makes sense or not
20130601 10:50:12< fabi> Ivanovic: Currently, the layout of some gui elements at some resolution is broken. The art was replaced faster than I could catch up coding :-)
20130601 10:50:14< shadowm> Reverting 0d2eeeeeefaa8fa87d2861d0ed1011574fda5495 by ayne does work as a workaround measure if a release is extremely necessary for some reason, but ideally ayne should take a look at it and try to fix both bugs together instead.
20130601 10:50:34< shadowm> (I love Git, but specifying commits like that is ugly.)
20130601 10:50:41< Ivanovic> a release is not required right now
20130601 10:50:47< shadowm> Bug #20734 would be the bug whose fix introduced the regression.
20130601 10:50:57< Ivanovic> and yes, shadowm, i agree with those commit ids, they are insane
20130601 10:51:32< shadowm> So, I'm going to point this out in both tickets.
20130601 10:53:26< Ivanovic> since there won't be a release today or tomorrow i can now focus on some other stuff like playing some games
20130601 10:53:28< Ivanovic> CU
20130601 10:54:44< shadowm> Actually, just the last ticket so I don't seem spammy.
20130601 10:55:33< mordante> have fun Ivanovic 
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20130601 11:27:55< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master d9c354 / src/editor/action/mouse/mouse_action_item.hpp: Remove unused private members. http://git.io/FMM9EQ
20130601 11:27:57< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master cfb50b / src/editor/action/mouse/mouse_action_unit.hpp: Remove unused private members. http://git.io/-AUU1Q
20130601 11:27:59< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 610030 / src/editor/palette/ (tristate_button.cpp tristate_button.hpp): Remove unused private members. http://git.io/cWPx3A
20130601 11:28:01< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 4f73cc / src/editor/palette/item_palette.cpp: Remove a useless cast. http://git.io/-oyvXw
20130601 11:28:03< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 9cfbc3 / src/editor/palette/terrain_palettes.cpp: Remove a useless cast. http://git.io/iDEjrg
20130601 11:28:05< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 4b0595 / src/editor/palette/unit_palette.cpp: Remove a useless cast. http://git.io/xgi2HQ
20130601 11:28:07< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 5301ee / CMakeLists.txt changelog: Disable null conversion warning in CMake. http://git.io/7dYq2w
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20130601 14:45:04< lipkab> Gambit, shadowm: Hey, what if we stickified this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37476
20130601 14:47:50< Gambit> that is really nicely done
20130601 14:50:52< Gambit> lipkab: added to "Important links for new users", though I'd like to get it into scenario & campaign development
20130601 14:51:14< Gambit> Probably somewhere along with a revised sticky about taking over abandoned campaigns
20130601 14:53:19< irker191> wesnoth: flix/Felix Bauer wesnoth-old:master f9a231 / / (6 files in 5 dirs): AI/lua: Command 'lua wesnoth.debug_ai(2).ai' gives now access to ai-table http://git.io/-ANrIA
20130601 14:53:28< flix> I just made my first commit to master. Could someone check if I done it right, please? 
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20130601 15:43:46< Soliton> flix: looks good and even compiles!
20130601 15:44:21< flix> Soliton: Thanks!
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20130601 16:37:06< irker191> wesnoth: flix/Felix Bauer wesnoth-old:master 29e858 / / (21 files in 10 dirs): Add new aspect 'advancements' http://git.io/C-cQVA
20130601 16:38:46< flix> I would be very thankful if somebody tries to compile this (^) since I added a new source file there. (especially in MSVS...)
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20130601 16:49:49< flix> I'm going off now. I'll read the logs.
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20130601 18:14:41< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 7ee96e / src/gui/widgets/ (8 files): Use a const reference instead of a const pointer. http://git.io/T6j_jw
20130601 18:14:43< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 8e9d60 / src/ (19 files in 3 dirs): Use a reference instead of a pointer. http://git.io/gXjojw
20130601 18:14:44< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 89c2a2 / src/gui/ (auxiliary/find_widget.tpp widgets/listbox.cpp): Use a reference instead of a pointer. http://git.io/c0quHA
20130601 18:14:46< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 060ff6 / src/gui/ (28 files in 3 dirs): Rename gui2::twidget::dirty to is_dirty. http://git.io/CNP_JQ
20130601 18:14:49< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 17fc64 / src/gui/auxiliary/ (canvas.cpp canvas.hpp): Rename gui2::tcanvas::dirty to is_dirty. http://git.io/kaiZ6w
20130601 18:14:50< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master a3b27a / src/gui/auxiliary/canvas.hpp: Remove the default argument of set_is_dirty. http://git.io/AXxvZg
20130601 18:14:52< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master b28003 / src/ (49 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'gui_polishing' http://git.io/yW5Jtw
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20130601 19:23:42< jamit> Hi. I've got a GitHub account now: Ja-MiT (the name without the dash was taken). Who takes care of commit/push access? AI0867?
20130601 19:26:27< jamit> Whoever does it: can I get access?
20130601 19:31:36< Soliton> Ivanovic and shadowm can do it too, i think.
20130601 20:00:48< irker191> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 03e944 / src/persist_context.cpp: Remove a variable which is only assigned. http://git.io/cqkqhA
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20130601 20:05:28< Espreon> Ivanovic: Let's wait!
20130601 20:05:56< Ivanovic> jamit: you are in
20130601 20:10:45< jamit> Ivanovic: Thanks
20130601 20:11:16< jamit> I might only be around on some weekends, but I'll get some fixes committed.
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20130601 20:35:43< shadowm> Gambit: I think the point of that being a wiki article is that any other user can edit it.
20130601 20:36:27< shadowm> Also, it doesn't have all the campaigns, so it sucks by default! :p
20130601 20:42:09< shadowm> Gambit, lipkab: What's the best forum for hosting MP mods discussion?
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20130601 21:42:55< mordante> I'm off bye
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20130601 22:44:49< irker191> wesnoth: flix wesnoth-old:master 2965da / data/ai/formula/new_recruitment.fai: Add comments to data/ai/formula/new_recruitment.fai http://git.io/7buCmQ
20130601 23:02:28< irker191> wesnoth: groggydice wesnoth-old:master c10959 / data/tools/wmllint: remove files on Windows so --revert and second conversions can proceed http://git.io/39GoDA
20130601 23:02:30< irker191> wesnoth: anonymissimus wesnoth-old:master 62161a / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: cb project update http://git.io/N0zpKA
20130601 23:06:30< flix> anonymissimus: thanks for ^. Maybe http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PatchSubmissionGuidelines should be updated for CodeBlocks?
20130601 23:08:01< anonymissimus> flix: rather don't; personnally I would never dare to edit the project file of an IDE without using that IDE myself
20130601 23:08:26< anonymissimus> but it looked okay in your case and opened fine
20130601 23:08:35< flix> anonymissimus: okay
20130601 23:09:21< anonymissimus> flix: also, only sort-of new committers such as you tend to care build systems they don't use
20130601 23:09:48< anonymissimus> other than that, the general behavior is "it works fine for me, I don't care about you"
20130601 23:11:38< anonymissimus> hm, the groggydice commit was a pull request, interstingly git somehoe ate the merge commit that was there and didn't autoclose the pull request...
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20130601 23:18:33< anonymissimus> flix: btw it seems you even took care to update wmllint for some new wml syntax, that's great
20130601 23:19:50< flix> anonymissimus: to be honest I have no clue what wmllint does. I just did a grep for an existing aspect and added mine whenever it seemed to be trivial.
20130601 23:21:47< anonymissimus> flix: okay, is "advancements" a tag or key ?
20130601 23:21:52< shadowm> wmllint converts deprecated syntax in WML files and does some sanity checks for UMC authors.
20130601 23:21:57< anonymissimus> or just give a syntax examnple
20130601 23:22:56< flix> anonymissimus: could you have a look at my commit message? Maybe it answers your question.
20130601 23:24:18< anonymissimus> flix: your change to wmllint causes it to check for whether there's a [side]advancements= key, as opposed to a [side][ai]advancements= key
20130601 23:24:52< anonymissimus> that check is to ensure people don't accidentally put ai-specific ke
20130601 23:25:01< anonymissimus> ..ys at teh wrong place
20130601 23:26:01< anonymissimus> flix: I suspect that's not what it is about
20130601 23:27:28< flix> anonymissimus: So I'm not sure if I did it right then. Here is an example how advancements could be defined: http://pastebin.com/BW43x8XQ
20130601 23:27:53< anonymissimus> the new git features confuse me; I need a map of all the real names of all the developers with their relation to theirs nicks and vice versa now :(
20130601 23:29:27< flix> anonymissimus: There is something scrambled on my pastebin link (a "return advance" is missing)
20130601 23:29:34< shadowm> anonymissimus: You aren't good at remembering names?
20130601 23:29:49< anonymissimus> flix: based on the "This will also work:" part: you did it right
20130601 23:30:33< flix> anonymissimus: great! thanks
20130601 23:30:40< anonymissimus> shadowm: well, I've learned that "Emilien Rotival" is LordBob, but it takes some time
20130601 23:31:54< anonymissimus> and so on; at most places people use nicks instead of names; in the commit logs some use nicks and some names, and some use even differing nicks/names it seems
20130601 23:32:10< flix> anonymissimus: I completely understand you. It's the same with the ML. I try to use my only nick everywhere and not my real name so people are not confused :)
20130601 23:33:28< flix> s/my only nick/only my nick
20130601 23:34:27< anonymissimus> I also find it strange that the times when the commit was made are the local ones now; the time a commit was pushed is more important I think
20130601 23:35:16< shadowm> --date=local switch to git log.
20130601 23:35:43< shadowm> Or $ git config log.date local
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20130601 23:39:33< AI0867> jamit: added
20130601 23:40:08< anonymissimus> shadowm: that seems to be the opposite; is there --data=global or =remote or such ?
20130601 23:40:09< shadowm> AI0867: I thought Ivanovic did that already.
20130601 23:40:32< AI0867> could be
20130601 23:40:33< Ivanovic> jepp, already did this
20130601 23:40:44< shadowm> anonymissimus: That is supposed to show commit dates in your local timezone.
20130601 23:40:52< AI0867> it was easier to do it myself than to check ;)
20130601 23:41:02< shadowm> Uh, by default here it shows them in their origin timezone.
20130601 23:41:42< shadowm> Oh, you want the commit's push date instead of the commit date.
20130601 23:41:59< shadowm> I don't think that is something that could possibly make sense to Git.
20130601 23:42:15< shadowm> To GitHub maybe, but not Git.
20130601 23:44:13< anonymissimus> shadowm: well, my (graphical) log viewer shows the commit time in local time zone apparently, by default at least, so it's using --date=local somehow
20130601 23:45:43< shadowm> $ git config log.date default # to reset to the defaults if your log viewer is doing something ridiculous now
20130601 23:45:58< anonymissimus> no, I didn't change stuff
20130601 23:46:13< shadowm> Okay, then I definitely don't understand you.
20130601 23:46:17< fabi> wesbot: seen LordBob_?
20130601 23:46:17< wesbot> fabi: The person with the nick LordBob_ last spoke 1d 22h ago.  1d 22h ago they left with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]
20130601 23:47:22< anonymissimus> shadowm: you do, I wanted my log viewer to show the commits' push date as it did in git-svn, but you said above that git doesn't support it
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