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20130602 00:30:38< lipkab> shadowm: MP development, I guess.
20130602 00:43:49< shadowm> Okay.
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20130602 00:51:09< Gambit> shadowm: well in the future, Multiplayer Development (unofficial) :P
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20130602 00:54:48< lipkab> Gambit: Will there be an official Multiplayer Development Forum? :O
20130602 00:55:03< lipkab> I foresee it to be the emptiest of 'em all.
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20130602 00:58:25< Gambit> lipkab: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38222
20130602 01:01:29< lipkab> Ah.
20130602 01:01:50< Gambit> That is the plan.
20130602 01:01:54< Gambit> Currently on hold like so many plans.
20130602 01:02:40< Gambit> Waiting on a thing.
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20130602 01:03:30< Gambit> I actually have two plans waiting on that... thing. The other plan involves (hopefully) advertising the game on imgur.com
20130602 01:03:54< lipkab> Wesnoth birthday!!!
20130602 01:04:08< Gambit> Yeah that'd be great.
20130602 01:04:12< Gambit> Wesnoth is turning 10 years old very soon.
20130602 01:04:19< Gambit> But the thing will definitely not be done in time for that.
20130602 01:04:31< Gambit> shadowm: Is the thing public?
20130602 01:04:57 * shadowm grumbles.
20130602 01:05:05< shadowm> No.
20130602 01:05:12< Gambit> oh okay then
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20130602 04:06:44< irker191> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master ada39d / src/editor/ (editor_controller.cpp editor_controller.hpp): Removed usused "editor_settings_dialog_redraw_callback" function http://git.io/TbozbQ
20130602 04:06:47< irker191> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master 55dd23 / src/editor/editor_controller.cpp: Prevented Editor Settings dialog from redrawing everything on exit http://git.io/X_1Qew
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20130602 05:32:49< irker191> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master 35f39d / projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Updated XCode proj file (added unit_advancements_aspect.*pp) http://git.io/1KgoHg
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20130602 12:46:40< trewe> when joining a game that uses a modification one has not installed the game crashes
20130602 12:48:36< trewe> like 'Plan your advancenments' even advertises that non-hosts do not need it installed, which is not the case
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20130602 13:15:25< fabi> wesbot: seen LordBob_?
20130602 13:15:25< wesbot> fabi: The person with the nick LordBob_ last spoke 2d 12h ago.  2d 12h ago they left with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]
20130602 13:23:49< fabi> trewe: hi
20130602 13:39:47< trewe> .
20130602 13:41:58< fabi> trewe: Please fill a bug report at bugs.wesnoth.org.
20130602 13:42:54< trewe> will do
20130602 13:43:12< bumbadadabum> fabi: 20130602 15:42:32 error display: could not open image 'themes/editor/classic/sidebar_tools-small.png''
20130602 13:43:25< bumbadadabum> what
20130602 13:43:31< bumbadadabum> what's the deal with that image?
20130602 13:43:55< fabi> bumbadadabum: I guess lord bob removed or renamed it.
20130602 13:44:05< bumbadadabum> fabi: I guess that as well
20130602 13:44:39< bumbadadabum> I'll look through the repo history and see what happened
20130602 13:50:20< bumbadadabum> fabi: Even with the correct imagepath, the editor sidebar looks bugged
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20130602 14:09:35< fabi> bumbadadabum: At the small resolution?
20130602 14:20:43< bumbadadabum> fabi: I'm using 1366x713
20130602 14:21:12< fabi> i see
20130602 14:24:32< bumbadadabum> fabi: Want a screenshot?
20130602 14:24:55< fabi> yes, please
20130602 14:26:26< bumbadadabum> http://imagebin.org/259932
20130602 14:26:40< bumbadadabum> this is from Friday, but it still looks like this
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20130602 14:41:03< fabi> bumbadadabum: It has some artistic value, hasn't it?
20130602 14:49:44< bumbadadabum> fabi: It's more compact for sure
20130602 14:50:04< fabi> :-)
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20130602 18:37:44< irker643> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master 8e7413 / images/buttons/editor/ (194 files in 6 dirs): Removed old/duplicate editor images http://git.io/YX5oZA
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20130602 18:40:00< Gambit> Why the hell would you do that?
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20130602 18:48:26< shadowm> Ayne: Is my testing of the patch for bug #20853 sufficient this time?
20130602 18:48:37< Gambit> You just deleted a ton of servicable art that was in use by many add-ons for no reason.
20130602 18:49:11< vultraz_laptop> give me one example
20130602 18:49:26< vultraz_laptop> and tell me why said umc cannot use the new images
20130602 18:49:34< vultraz_laptop> it's not like they were removed with no replacement
20130602 18:49:48< Ayne> shadowm: yes, thanks, I've added handling for the empty string and will commit the patch once I've untangled my git mess here
20130602 18:50:14< vultraz_laptop> also, I don't even think you can set a path to images/ from UMC. Meaning, said UMC would have to copy the images to their addon
20130602 18:50:21< vultraz_laptop> meaning, they'll still have it
20130602 18:50:24< Gambit> vultraz_laptop: No they don't.
20130602 18:50:30< Gambit> You can reference anything in images.
20130602 18:50:45< Gambit> All the old editor buttons in particular made great custom icons for [set_menu_item]
20130602 18:51:02< vultraz_laptop> alright, ok
20130602 18:51:03< Gambit> For your one example, GambCiv used all the icons in images/buttons/editor/group
20130602 18:51:21< vultraz_laptop> well, another point
20130602 18:51:23< Gambit> There is no reason to remove those images.
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20130602 18:51:27< shadowm> Ayne: Okay.
20130602 18:51:30< vultraz_laptop> they didn't even use to be in images/buttons/editor
20130602 18:51:37< vultraz_laptop> they used to be in images/buttons
20130602 18:51:46< Gambit> Yeah, they got moved. We can adjust to that.
20130602 18:51:49< vultraz_laptop> so, if you have to update the path
20130602 18:51:52< Gambit> We can't adjust to you deleting them for no reason.
20130602 18:51:56< vultraz_laptop> WHY NOT POINT A PATH TO THE NEW IMAGES
20130602 18:52:07< Gambit> Because the new ones aren't colorized and don't look like buttons.
20130602 18:52:12< vultraz_laptop> uh
20130602 18:52:15< vultraz_laptop> ~BLIT?
20130602 18:52:19< Gambit> People have been adding resources for UMC, not taking them away.
20130602 18:52:37< vultraz_laptop> if you really want a button
20130602 18:52:40< Gambit> vultraz_laptop: What pressing reason did you have to delete those images?
20130602 18:52:42< shadowm> 12:50:28 <Gambit> You can reference anything in images.
20130602 18:52:47< shadowm> This isn't the official policy.
20130602 18:52:48< vultraz_laptop> blit the icon on top of one of the provided base
20130602 18:52:53< vultraz_laptop> bases
20130602 18:52:55< Gambit> shadowm: It has always been the case.
20130602 18:53:04< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: I dislike unused images sitting around
20130602 18:53:05< vultraz_laptop> it bugs me
20130602 18:53:06< shadowm> I said it isn't the official policy.
20130602 18:53:19< Gambit> vultraz_laptop: there's a whole lot of unused images
20130602 18:53:45< shadowm> I've encountered resistance in the past from the wmllint and wmlscope maintainer, so the official policy is that while it is technically possible, you shouldn't do it.
20130602 18:53:53< vultraz_laptop> such as data/core/items? those are specifically used in UMC, and put there for UMC.
20130602 18:53:53< shadowm> Again, images/ as opposed to data/core/images/
20130602 18:53:59< Gambit> Jetrel added the entire data/core/images/icons/folder even though they have no mainline use.
20130602 18:54:04< vultraz_laptop> data/core/images/items*
20130602 18:54:09< vultraz_laptop> FOR UMC
20130602 18:54:11< vultraz_laptop> these are NOT FOR UMC
20130602 18:54:31< Gambit> I don't see any UI elements in data/core/images/items vultraz_laptop.
20130602 18:54:54< vultraz_laptop> if you want them for UMC, revert the damn commit and move them to data/core/images/menu_buttons
20130602 18:55:12< Gambit> So to be clear, there is no reason for you to have deleted those other than that "it bugs me"
20130602 18:55:15< AI0867> stuff in images/ should NOT be used by UMC, even though it is possible to do so
20130602 18:55:31< shadowm> AI0867: That's what I just said.
20130602 18:55:34< shadowm> :(
20130602 18:55:43< vultraz_laptop> but I still say, since you shouldn't use images/ for UMC, why provide images there for them to use
20130602 18:55:58< Gambit> AI0867: Why?
20130602 18:56:01< AI0867> 18:54 < vultraz_laptop> if you want them for UMC, revert the damn commit and move them to data/core/images/menu_buttons <-- this
20130602 18:56:13< AI0867> Gambit: because it's not in the data/ tree!
20130602 18:56:15< vultraz_laptop> you say move them to attic? is attaic even in distributions?
20130602 18:56:15< Gambit> I'll move the whole images/ folder into data/core if this is the policy.
20130602 18:56:35< AI0867> images/ is for C++
20130602 18:56:37< shadowm> How about we don't start a stupid commit war?
20130602 18:56:42< Gambit> This is ridiculous. Just deleting perfectly servicable resources for no reason.
20130602 18:56:59< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: what the hell? you want to move ALL the game images to data?
20130602 18:57:15< Gambit> If I can make sure you won't delete them for no reason, yeah.
20130602 18:57:21< vultraz_laptop> ...
20130602 18:57:56< vultraz_laptop> I've already gone through and cleaned out all the old button images after updating code to use the new ones. To me, this is the same thing.
20130602 18:58:21< vultraz_laptop> so, for you, you want NO image gone EVER bc some umc could use it
20130602 18:58:27< irker643> wesnoth: ayne wesnoth-old:master fddc33 / src/gamestatus.cpp: Moved gold initialisation to earlier point, fixing bugs #20853 and #20734 http://git.io/0Rw4JQ
20130602 18:58:38< Gambit> images/help/ can go into data/core/
20130602 18:58:41< Gambit> images/flags/
20130602 18:59:00< Gambit> images/tools/ probably not
20130602 18:59:11< vultraz_laptop> and you realize how much will have to be updated if you do that?
20130602 18:59:14< shadowm> images/flags/ is the oddball with regards to wmlscope.
20130602 18:59:19< vultraz_laptop> and we are not going to keep two copies
20130602 18:59:23< vultraz_laptop> shadowm help me out here
20130602 18:59:35< Gambit> There isn't a lot of high quality art for add-ons to reference.
20130602 18:59:37< shadowm> I am trying, vultraz_laptop, but it seems like no-one wants to listen to me today.
20130602 18:59:56< Gambit> That pool should get bigger, not smaller.
20130602 19:00:37< vultraz_laptop> This is all about GmabCiv
20130602 19:00:43< vultraz_laptop> and you being pissed off that you now have more work
20130602 19:01:11< vultraz_laptop> you say I pissed off BobTheMighty
20130602 19:01:20< vultraz_laptop> implying BTM wouldn't like the new images
20130602 19:01:33< Gambit> Yeah because I got the idea of referencing those buttons from him.
20130602 19:01:49< vultraz_laptop> So you both do something you're not supposed to
20130602 19:02:13< vultraz_laptop> And because I just prevented you from doing so, you're pissed
20130602 19:03:08< Gambit> Why are we not supposed to reference images that ship with the game?
20130602 19:03:23< vultraz_laptop> [03:56:13]	AI0867	Gambit: because it's not in the data/ tree!
20130602 19:03:30< Gambit> That is not an answer.
20130602 19:03:37< vultraz_laptop> [03:56:36]	AI0867	images/ is for C++
20130602 19:03:55< shadowm> For historical reasons directly related to the wmlscope tool.
20130602 19:04:05< Gambit> Everything is viewable from "images/" as far as WML can see.
20130602 19:04:37< vultraz_laptop> I see not why we should keep them just do you can break convention
20130602 19:04:49< vultraz_laptop> s/do/so
20130602 19:05:01< Gambit> You didn't even know "you're not supposed to" when you deleted those.
20130602 19:05:11< Soliton> Gambit: how about you pick images that are generally useful for UMC from those deleted ones and add them somewhere appropriate under data?
20130602 19:05:35< Gambit> Soliton: I think that's going to have to be what I do in order to protect these assets from future deletion.
20130602 19:05:46< vultraz_laptop> PROTECT??
20130602 19:05:48< vultraz_laptop> WHY
20130602 19:05:53< Soliton> vultraz_laptop: how about you say something before you delete ~200 images?
20130602 19:05:55< vultraz_laptop> why keep OLD.AR
20130602 19:06:00< vultraz_laptop> when there is NEW.ART
20130602 19:06:06< vultraz_laptop> that does the SAME.THING
20130602 19:06:32< Gambit> There isn't a lot of high quality, properly licensed, art for add-ons to reference.
20130602 19:06:52< vultraz_laptop> I still don't get your argument
20130602 19:07:14< vultraz_laptop> same images, just NEWER. would you rather have UMC use OLD art?
20130602 19:07:25< Gambit> They are not the same.
20130602 19:07:30< vultraz_laptop> you say you want quality art, yet you want them not to use new ones
20130602 19:07:48< Gambit> This is like the new tropical jungle art.
20130602 19:07:50< Gambit> Awesome art.
20130602 19:07:58< Gambit> But it doesn't serve the same purpose.
20130602 19:08:16< vultraz_laptop> so if the user wants the old tropical forest
20130602 19:08:23< vultraz_laptop> they have to copy it to their umc
20130602 19:09:06< vultraz_laptop> are you saying, save the old forest bc some umc might want it
20130602 19:09:35< Gambit> The new jungle art doesn't work as well for sparse forests on a beachy sort of area.
20130602 19:09:48< vultraz_laptop> there's terrain for that
20130602 19:10:17< Gambit> It's not like the drakes where it's a straight upgrade in quality.
20130602 19:10:34< vultraz_laptop> it looks like this in the case of these buttons
20130602 19:10:40< vultraz_laptop> s/this/that
20130602 19:10:44< Gambit> In this case we have two equally good looking and useful images.
20130602 19:11:23< vultraz_laptop> are you implying lordbob;s images are the same quality as those old ones?
20130602 19:11:28< Gambit> But yeah I'll do what you said Soliton.
20130602 19:11:45< vultraz_laptop> next you'll say the old buttons should be kept
20130602 19:13:38< vultraz_laptop> but fine, if you want to encourage UMC to use old, bad art, fine
20130602 19:14:10< Soliton> that's pretty much the definition of UMC most of the time.
20130602 19:14:15< vultraz_laptop> well, the terrain ones aren't that bad, I suppose.
20130602 19:14:22< vultraz_laptop> the tools ones are bad, however
20130602 19:14:37< Gambit> There's a reason I didn't delete images/misc/snail.png and instead made a new blue copy.
20130602 19:15:24< vultraz_laptop> alright, I'll give you the point for the terrain buttons
20130602 19:15:47< vultraz_laptop> but not tools or utils
20130602 19:17:25< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: alright, I will add images/buttons/editor/group to data/core/images/menu_icons
20130602 19:18:07< vultraz_laptop> even though they use the old button base >_>
20130602 19:18:42< Gambit> anonymissimus: ping because you're probably interested in the above conversation. Apparently we aren't supposed to reference anything in images/
20130602 19:18:56< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: is that fine 
20130602 19:20:05< Gambit> I'll be sifting through images/ and copying anything and everything that an add-on might find useful later on.
20130602 19:20:37< vultraz_laptop> oh come on
20130602 19:20:57< vultraz_laptop> ugh, whatever
20130602 19:21:10< Gambit> This is ridiculous. Every add-on with custom UI elements just got a severe screwing.
20130602 19:21:18< vultraz_laptop> how so?
20130602 19:21:37< Gambit> Not by you specifically, but by this "You shouldn't use anything in images/" policy
20130602 19:22:16< Gambit> vultraz_laptop: Because that's where all the UI art is
20130602 19:22:36< Gambit> I've seen images/icons/arrows in several add-ons
20130602 19:23:19< vultraz_laptop> ya know, I'll let you do this
20130602 19:23:29< shadowm> That policy has existed for as far back as 2008.
20130602 19:23:50< Gambit> It's stated exactly nowhere.
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20130602 19:25:41< Gambit> well hey there's a README
20130602 19:25:49< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: here are the images from images/buttons/editor/group, sans the GUI-relevant active/pressed, etc, variants: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/izx6bmjgq8cnwva/1rruLR1JVt
20130602 19:26:22< Gambit> The sounds/ folder is accessible via WML as well.
20130602 19:26:41< vultraz_laptop> I agree with you that those are good ones, and I supposed should be kept. But the rest, no
20130602 19:27:03< Soliton> Gambit: well, "anything and everything that an add-on might find useful" should not be the goal. pick images that are generally useful for lots of add-ons and give them better/more general names than they have now.
20130602 19:27:05< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: commit those wherever once you have your repo
20130602 19:27:43< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: is that fine
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20130602 19:59:32< Gambit> shadowm, AI0867: Besides wmlscope not being capale of understanding it, are there other reasons that UMC can access images/* and sounds/* but shouldn't?
20130602 20:02:19< shadowm> Perhaps. I remember discussing the subject to death with the wmlscope maintainer, but I don't recall the specifics.
20130602 20:02:42< AI0867> there's the idea that data should be in data/, but that's pretty much it
20130602 20:03:00< AI0867> though I might be missing something
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20130602 20:03:39< Gambit> I've never really understood the reason for the division, but it wasn't an important or pressing issue until today.
20130602 20:03:58< vultraz_laptop> until I deleted something you wanted
20130602 20:04:26< vultraz_laptop> why do I have the feeling that some people want core to suit their needs for the UMCs
20130602 20:04:27< AI0867> something that is used everywhere
20130602 20:04:31< vultraz_laptop> their*
20130602 20:04:41< AI0867> because core does try to serve those needs
20130602 20:04:52< vultraz_laptop> but should not to do obsessively
20130602 20:05:03< AI0867> especially regarding stuff that is rare outside of core, like decent art
20130602 20:05:05< vultraz_laptop> I said I agreed that the terrain group images should be saved
20130602 20:05:06< Gambit> There's a large precedent of me celebrating the addition of assets to the game that I have no intention of using, that I feel your implications are unjustified vultraz_laptop.
20130602 20:05:29< AI0867> but thanks to image locators, you can transplant stuff from images/ to data/core/images/ and nobody will notice
20130602 20:05:32< vultraz_laptop> but gambit is implying he wants hundreds of images added to data/core
20130602 20:05:54< Gambit> Specifically, waaaay back in the day I made slowed units turn blue, and I kept around the copy of the tan snail "Just in case" some add-on was using it. I definitely wasn't.
20130602 20:06:16< AI0867> Gambit: you mean like earlier in 1.11?
20130602 20:06:22< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: this "just in case" attitude is annoying, sometimes
20130602 20:06:25< Gambit> Was that still in 1.11?
20130602 20:06:30< AI0867> yes
20130602 20:06:38< vultraz_laptop> it's how people become hoarders
20130602 20:06:42< Gambit> I thought that was 1.9
20130602 20:07:16< vultraz_laptop> how many times I've had to deal with my parents saving absolute junk "just in case"
20130602 20:08:05< Gambit> AI0867: Well the point is, I've always been happy to see more features and assets for UMC authors, and vultraz_laptop can kindly stop portraying me as selfish.
20130602 20:08:28< bumbadadabum> IMO it's stupid to remove it as if it was never there
20130602 20:08:39< vultraz_laptop> then why did shit hit the fan when I deleted the folder
20130602 20:08:58< bumbadadabum> moving it to an UNUSED directory or at least attic/ accomplishes the same thing
20130602 20:09:16< vultraz_laptop> bumbadadabum: attic isn't in distributions, I don't think, is it?
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20130602 20:10:17< bumbadadabum> vultraz_laptop: It isn't, but it
20130602 20:10:19< bumbadadabum> it
20130602 20:10:26< bumbadadabum> it's still accessible
20130602 20:10:35< bumbadadabum> (still not used to this keyboard...)
20130602 20:10:50< vultraz_laptop> alright, I'll admit part of my reason for deleting it is I was mostly thinking of the horrible tool and util images
20130602 20:11:00< vultraz_laptop> not the nice terrain group images
20130602 20:11:02< bumbadadabum> and UMC authors who want to use it can grab the files from there
20130602 20:11:10< vultraz_laptop> which I then agreed should be saved
20130602 20:11:20< vultraz_laptop> which i even put in a folder and linked to gambit https://www.dropbox.com/sh/izx6bmjgq8cnwva/1rruLR1JVt
20130602 20:11:55< Gambit> I see nothing wrong with the tool images either.
20130602 20:12:01< vultraz_laptop> oh god
20130602 20:12:01< Gambit> Nor util.
20130602 20:12:18< vultraz_laptop> I made some of the tool images
20130602 20:12:28< vultraz_laptop> by definition they're bad
20130602 20:12:39< vultraz_laptop> (except tehs oudnsource one, which I liked)
20130602 20:13:43< Gambit> What is the "new version" of images/buttoms/editor/util/flip_map_button_editor.png and does it convey the same message?
20130602 20:14:57< Gambit> Nevermind.
20130602 20:15:13< Gambit> I can't do anything about this until I have access to higher speed internet.
20130602 20:15:17< vultraz_laptop> images/icons/action/editor_flip_30
20130602 20:15:49< vultraz_laptop> also, you may have noticed, but the new images don't have button bases
20130602 20:16:02< vultraz_laptop> they're all overlayed over the button images in code
20130602 20:17:18< Gambit> so, for example, is images/icons/terrain/terrain_type_castle.png at risk for deletion?
20130602 20:17:45< vultraz_laptop> No
20130602 20:17:49< vultraz_laptop> those are the new images
20130602 20:17:56< Gambit> I could see it being a straight upgrade for images/editor/group/group_castle.png but it's unused
20130602 20:18:00< vultraz_laptop> oh wait
20130602 20:18:09< Gambit> But it's unused.
20130602 20:18:12< vultraz_laptop> no, those are specifically used for something else
20130602 20:18:18< vultraz_laptop> and therefor do have a base
20130602 20:18:37< vultraz_laptop> it's used in the upper right of the editor
20130602 20:20:01< vultraz_laptop> and also, won't be deleted
20130602 20:20:30< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: there are no more old ui images in images/buttons to be deleted, I've done all that already
20130602 20:20:46< vultraz_laptop> and images/icons are almost all new
20130602 20:20:54< bumbadadabum> 20130602 20:15:12 error display: could not open image 'buttons/button_transparent.png'
20130602 20:20:55< bumbadadabum> 20130602 20:15:17 error display: could not open image 'buttons/button_transparent-active.png'
20130602 20:20:57< bumbadadabum> 20130602 20:15:18 error display: could not open image 'buttons/button_transparent-pressed.png'
20130602 20:22:11< vultraz_laptop> bumbadadabum: where
20130602 20:22:30< vultraz_laptop> I thought I got rid of all that
20130602 20:24:21< bumbadadabum> vultraz_laptop: When displaying a message with an [option]
20130602 20:24:53< vultraz_laptop> alright, I obv missed tha
20130602 20:25:01< vultraz_laptop> that
20130602 20:25:02< vultraz_laptop> will fix
20130602 20:27:14< vultraz_laptop> bumbadadabum: we don't have transparent images yet
20130602 20:27:21< vultraz_laptop> I'll ask lordbob for them when he returns
20130602 20:27:28< vultraz_laptop> for now, I can just update the path
20130602 20:29:21< vultraz_laptop> eh...hm, I think I'm using the wrong image for regular buttons
20130602 20:29:26< vultraz_laptop> copper is supposed to be for menu images
20130602 20:29:49< vultraz_laptop> eh, I'll just use copper for now
20130602 20:29:54< vultraz_laptop> and ask lordbob later
20130602 20:34:12< irker643> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master b32ca5 / data/gui/default/widget/button_default.cfg: Updated path for transparent version of default buttons http://git.io/ntwt0g
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20130602 20:50:28< anonymissimus> LordBob, vultraz, other people working on images for buttons etc: Could you, if possible, *not* change the names of images when making you versions of them; in an addon of mine I see an unresolved image likely die to such changes; as it is in lua I cannot check with wmlscope
20130602 20:50:49< anonymissimus> *new* versions
20130602 20:51:16< Gambit> anonymissimus: Apparently add-ons are not supposed to use images/*
20130602 20:51:17< Gambit> or sounds/*
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20130602 20:52:30< Gambit> anonymissimus: Next weekend I will be moving some of those resources out of images/ and into data/core/images
20130602 20:52:37< vultraz_laptop> anonymissimus: it's too late, plus the additional names are needed for the variations. And, they're already wired in with their new names paths
20130602 20:52:44< vultraz_laptop> names and paths*
20130602 20:53:09< vultraz_laptop> Gambit: you haven't told me if you're going to copy images/buttons and images/dialogs
20130602 20:53:45< Gambit> anonymissimus: They're also removing old images even when there isn't necessarily a new version, so... yeah. Fun times.
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20130602 20:54:51< vultraz_laptop> anonymissimus: what we have done is reduce image count by using overlays
20130602 20:55:05< vultraz_laptop> therefor we can just have the button bases, and overlay as needed
20130602 20:55:21< vultraz_laptop> no need for separate images for, say, the storyscreen arrows
20130602 20:55:33< vultraz_laptop> or the resize direction arrows
20130602 20:56:25< vultraz_laptop> I suppose this counts as what Gambit says, but anyone who wants to use it can just use the new overlay method
20130602 20:57:32< vultraz_laptop> [05:53:09]	vultraz_laptop	Gambit: you haven't told me if you're going to copy images/buttons and images/dialogs
20130602 20:57:45< Gambit> I dunno yet. I haven't looked.
20130602 20:57:48< anonymissimus> vultraz_laptop: well, if you really need to change a name and such then do it; just keep in mind that you break addons
20130602 20:58:21< vultraz_laptop> addons aren't supposed to use images/* for files :/
20130602 20:58:25< anonymissimus> and I think wmlscope is unable to check references to images/ and sounds/
20130602 20:58:51< anonymissimus> well, it is perhaps a bad idea that images/ and sounds/ do even exist, they're kind of redundant
20130602 20:58:59< vultraz_laptop> so, I don't see why we should worry about breaking something that's not supposed to be done in the first place
20130602 20:59:33< anonymissimus> vultraz_laptop: not a valid argument
20130602 21:00:02< anonymissimus> if it technically works or did work you have to try to keep compatibility no matetr whether it was intended to be used or not
20130602 21:00:33< vultraz_laptop> I didn't do the image renames/path changes, lordbob did
20130602 21:00:47< vultraz_laptop> however, I think they were necessary
20130602 21:00:59< anonymissimus> yeah, I I suspect he didn't wonder about breaking addons so that's why I mentioned it
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20130602 21:01:28< vultraz_laptop> there are now more button variations
20130602 21:01:52< vultraz_laptop> specifically, two versions of each, for highres and normal res
20130602 21:02:14< vultraz_laptop> and in any case, it's too late now, we've already wired everything in :/
20130602 21:02:39< irker643> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master d49b18 / changelog src/multiplayer_connect.cpp src/multiplayer_connect.hpp: Fix "Shuffle sides" incorrect behaviour. http://git.io/H3-FPw
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20130602 21:19:57< anonymissimus> vultraz_laptop: "too late now since wired in" also isn't a valid argument; then it would be too easy to commit bad things
20130602 21:20:21< anonymissimus> which is not supposed to mean that I think the commits in question should be reverted
20130602 21:22:17< vultraz> alright
20130602 21:22:18< anonymissimus> if people are committing, it should be with the thought that possibly everything needs to be reverted in case it is shown that it does more bad than good (such as thonsew's token changes)
20130602 21:22:34< vultraz> but can we leave them the way they are now?
20130602 21:22:53< anonymissimus> I suppose Gambit did already adopt his stuff
20130602 21:22:54< shadowm> Oh gods that name.
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20130602 21:23:23< vultraz> what is a thonsew
20130602 21:23:57< anonymissimus> a dev who tried to improve things in a too aggressive way
20130602 21:24:05< shadowm> A dreadful abomination ripped straight from the darkest tomes ever written by mankind.
20130602 21:24:35< bumbadadabum> lol
20130602 21:24:46< Gambit> anonymissimus: Not yet.
20130602 21:24:57< Gambit> anonymissimus: Several images I rely on are just flat out gone.
20130602 21:24:58< bumbadadabum> the "I got commit access I can change whatever I like
20130602 21:25:03< Gambit> They have no new version.
20130602 21:25:06< bumbadadabum> kind of dev?
20130602 21:25:06< Gambit> But they got deleted anyway.
20130602 21:25:21< Gambit> anonymissimus: And several more are evidently not supposed to be used
20130602 21:25:32< shadowm> It is said that its arrival heralds an era of decay and torment for any group of people who would be so unfortunate as to be gazed by the creature from afar.
20130602 21:26:21< vultraz> Gambit: what images
20130602 21:26:22< shadowm> If you ever run into one of those directly, you will most certainly not live to tell the story.
20130602 21:26:35< vultraz> the editor group ones?
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20130602 21:30:32< anonymissimus> Gambit: well, you can, in any case, always use detached head checkout and copy the images you need into your addon, at the cost on increasing its size
20130602 21:30:49< anonymissimus> and maintenance load...perhaps
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20130602 21:40:56< anonymissimus> anonymissimus: ehh, about copying to one's addon, since binary data cannot be sent over the network, that of course doesn't work for MP addons which don't require remote clients to have it downloaded...so in my case it wouldn't work...
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20130602 22:02:28< anonymissimus> Gambit: I probably won't notice it if I'm pinged; but as someone with MP addons using UI art I'm on your side in that discussion :)
20130602 22:03:37< anonymissimus> well, there isn't any such art in data/ that addons could use, so we started using images/; and obviously many UI art should be moved to core then
20130602 22:05:20< Gambit> mhm
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