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20130630 00:33:36< AI0867> that's what update-alternatives is for...
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20130630 00:37:13< AI0867> with the following command I get the same errors as I did with scons:
20130630 00:37:13< AI0867> CXX='g++-4.8' make campaignd
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20130630 00:43:31< AI0867> actually, I think I misread that =/
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20130630 00:51:56< AI0867> okay, so what actually worked (and still fails to compile): cmake . -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=g++-4.8 -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=gcc-4.8 -DENABLE_CAMPAIGN_SERVER:bool=on
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20130630 02:05:54< A_Guy> Yes! So happy. Figured out how to append data from an array into an existing message.
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20130630 06:42:44< irker119> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master d5389b38dfc3 / src/variable.hpp: Grammar in a comment. http://git.io/sWuWCA
20130630 06:42:46< irker119> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master da968a4a34cd / src/menu_events.cpp: Remove a "todo" that was done in r38422. http://git.io/5Mlt6A
20130630 06:42:48< irker119> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master e99cc26bbad2 / src/ (menu_events.cpp menu_events.hpp): Refactor debug mode unit creation. http://git.io/xWdx8w
20130630 06:42:50< irker119> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master a09a312a6ad0 / changelog src/menu_events.cpp: Clear fog/shroud when creating units via debug mode. http://git.io/lmyLBQ
20130630 06:43:15< jamit> shadowm ^
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20130630 08:50:32< vultraz> hello LordBob_ 
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20130630 12:26:56< mordante> servus
20130630 12:27:06< mordante> trademark, around?
20130630 12:28:54< mordante> anonymissimus the ENABLE_DISPLAY_REVISION=OFF should be autodetected, maybe it needs an extra case for MSVC
20130630 12:28:54< trademark> mordante, hello
20130630 12:29:09< mordante> trademark, how are things going?
20130630 12:29:55< trademark> mordante, hm it's ok, but I need to know several requirements
20130630 12:30:10< trademark> does the C++11 is allowed for this project?
20130630 12:30:28< mordante> no C++11 is not allows
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20130630 12:30:32< mordante> allowed*
20130630 12:30:37< trademark> seriously, why?
20130630 12:31:05< mordante> compiler support is rather bad at the moment
20130630 12:31:17< trademark> g++ 4.8 is ok
20130630 12:31:22< trademark> full compliant
20130630 12:31:26< Espreon> (But teh Debian stable!)
20130630 12:31:48< mordante> no only 4.8.1 is, but only the compiler, library support is lacking
20130630 12:32:07< mordante> Espreon, also, but MSVC is also not able to compile C++11
20130630 12:32:37< Espreon> Hmmm... yeah...
20130630 12:33:03< mordante> nurupo regarding the Lua starters-guide better ask anonymissimus he does more with Lua
20130630 12:33:21< trademark> anyways, the campaign server doesn't need to be compiled with MSVC?
20130630 12:33:36< trademark> and what the problem if I only use the features available?
20130630 12:33:37< mordante> trademark, as said before we tend to be not to be bleeding edge
20130630 12:33:53< trademark> it's just a matters of time 
20130630 12:34:10< loonycyborg> When c++11 compliant compilers are default on all platforms we support
20130630 12:34:13< trademark> it's not like if C++11 would be dropped somedays by compilers...
20130630 12:34:23< loonycyborg> We'll move entire project to c++11
20130630 12:34:28< trademark> good luck
20130630 12:34:32< loonycyborg> Until then it's only an experimental option
20130630 12:34:53< trademark> ok but for the campaign server, it's different
20130630 12:34:58< vultraz> "Visual C++ 2010 implemented many features in the C++0x core language specification, which was the precursor to C++11, and Visual C++ in Visual Studio 2012 expands on that to include many C++11 features. "
20130630 12:34:59< mordante> loonycyborg, well that should be discussed at the mailing list at that time
20130630 12:35:16< loonycyborg> Of course
20130630 12:35:19< trademark> people won't try to compile it, it's an optional target
20130630 12:35:32< mordante> trademark, I don't see it different
20130630 12:35:47< mordante> it means I can't work on the addon-server
20130630 12:36:07< trademark> I'm sorry but that's unnecessary constraints, why can't you work on it?
20130630 12:36:28< loonycyborg> debian doesn't provide that gcc version
20130630 12:36:33< loonycyborg> by default
20130630 12:36:38< trademark> not yet
20130630 12:37:03< trademark> but in 2 months, it will, the project won't be ready before anyways
20130630 12:37:12< mordante> exactly and I'm not going to run Debian bleeding edge, nor is our server where the software is supposed to run
20130630 12:37:48< trademark> move semantic, smart pointer, ... I say goodbye so?
20130630 12:37:55< vultraz> loonycyborg: what's so hard about installing the newer version?
20130630 12:38:32< mordante> the boost smart pointers can be used but no move support
20130630 12:38:57< loonycyborg> It's not hard for me, but requiring absolutely everyone to do it is bad
20130630 12:39:26< loonycyborg> People that aren't me have better things to do than to install extra compilers and switch between them
20130630 12:39:36< trademark> as I said, not a lot people need to do it... who will try to compile the campaign server?
20130630 12:39:36< vultraz> I honestly don't see the point of making trademark undo his work for 2 months
20130630 12:39:55< trademark> ok mordante haven't a compliant compiler
20130630 12:40:02< trademark> btw which one have you?
20130630 12:40:05< vultraz> and then having to redo everything again
20130630 12:40:27< trademark> I did not work for 2 months vultraz ^^'
20130630 12:41:15< trademark> honestly that's not a big deal to undo it now, but I don't understand why we need to stick to an old standard, we have tools and we don't use it
20130630 12:41:36< vultraz> trademark: I meant having to make you code in non C++11 for the two months you mentioned before debian supports 4.8
20130630 12:41:54< trademark> ho ok.
20130630 12:41:54< vultraz> it seems counterproductive 
20130630 12:42:22< mordante> trademark, as explained before we like to keep the dependencies for Wesnoth low and not require bleeding edge compilers/libraries
20130630 12:42:30< mordante> at the moment I run GCC-4.4
20130630 12:43:10< trademark> should I keep my code compiling with MSVC 6 too?
20130630 12:43:17< mordante> vultraz, there is no need to redo the code in two months
20130630 12:43:31< mordante> no MSVC is no longer supported
20130630 12:43:48< loonycyborg> c++11 isn't a different language
20130630 12:44:25< vultraz> my point is, if in 2 months the code *could* be made C++11, and the project will begin to switch to C++11 as a whole, it seems weird to now, so soon, still use the old C++
20130630 12:45:02< mordante> vultraz, I expect it to be closer to 3 years then 2 months
20130630 12:46:36< vultraz> in  that case, yes, it makes sense to not use 11
20130630 12:47:50< trademark> I don't know why you want to wait a fully compliant C++11 compilers/library, ok for the wesnoth main target, but for the campaign server!
20130630 12:48:37< trademark> and using c++11 doesn't add dependency, it's just move existing dependencies to new version
20130630 12:48:39< Espreon> (Grargh)
20130630 12:49:03< Espreon> And what benefit would it bring?
20130630 12:49:25< trademark> c++11?
20130630 12:49:30< mordante> brb
20130630 12:49:40< Espreon> Yes, C++11 for JUST the server.
20130630 12:49:47< Espreon> Tell me all the delicious benefits.
20130630 12:49:50< loonycyborg> Just make some code simpler, that's it.
20130630 12:49:58< Espreon> Sounds about right.
20130630 12:50:00< trademark> code simpler, but not only, for performance too
20130630 12:50:08< trademark> with the move semantic for example
20130630 12:50:28< trademark> using standard instead of external libraries
20130630 12:51:06< loonycyborg> hm, I don't even have gcc-4.8 installed here
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20130630 12:51:45< loonycyborg> 4.7.3 is the highest one installed
20130630 12:52:22< trademark> you can install by hand the 4.8
20130630 12:52:40< vultraz> I have gcc 4.8 on my mac
20130630 12:53:06< trademark> ok, I understood, I'll use the c++03, but I'm not agree and I think it's stupid, but I'm a young and unexperienced dev, so I'll listen to you, but grr.
20130630 12:53:48< loonycyborg> 4.8 is hardmasked in portage :P
20130630 12:56:03< vultraz> (you can even get 4.9 on mac)
20130630 12:56:52< trademark> mordante, next questions, it's about the database interface
20130630 12:56:55< trademark> can I use SOCI?
20130630 13:02:01< loonycyborg> I heard about it, but it doesn't seem to be in portage
20130630 13:03:46< trademark> it seems to have a version for windows and for linux
20130630 13:08:32< loonycyborg> Don't use anything that is not in portage and in debian's repo, otherwise it'll be hard for us to contribute
20130630 13:09:27< trademark> it's in debian repo, what do you means by "in portage"?
20130630 13:10:20< trademark> http://packages.debian.org/sid/libsoci-core-gcc
20130630 13:10:26< loonycyborg> Gentoo's package management system
20130630 13:10:57< trademark> ok thx
20130630 13:11:39< trademark> seems to be in too: http://gpo.zugaina.org/dev-db/soci/ChangeLog
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20130630 13:13:06< trademark> mordante, a last thing I wanted to ask was the use of the Boost library, can we use the last version or not?
20130630 13:14:08< loonycyborg> No, it's an overlay
20130630 13:15:51< trademark> ok but does Gentoo is a lot used? Because you can install it by hand if really neede
20130630 13:15:56< trademark> needed*
20130630 13:16:17< trademark> brb
20130630 13:17:59< loonycyborg> It is used by me. It's not enough for you? :P
20130630 13:19:30< vultraz> just wondering, why does Debian's repo seem to be the "definitive" place to check for presence of packages or versions of dependencies?
20130630 13:19:59< loonycyborg> It's a base for ubuntu too, and many people here use both
20130630 13:21:47< lipkab> (And not just here, Debian+Ubuntu+Mint covers the majority of Linux users)
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20130630 13:21:53< loonycyborg> trademark: Just use the same versions as we already use. Anything else is too much pain for to little gain
20130630 13:25:18< loonycyborg> We already use plain C mysql bindings, I'm not sure switching to something else is warranted.
20130630 13:26:11< loonycyborg> Better stick to your objective. Testing new things is better done in separate toy projects.
20130630 13:29:52< mordante> trademark, in real life a lot of projects use older compilers/libraries since older platforms need to be supported
20130630 13:32:13< loonycyborg> If it requires too much experimental packages then most possible contributors won't even build it
20130630 13:32:17< mordante> trademark, loonycyborg libsoci is only in Debian Unstable only for the m68k architecture
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20130630 13:59:41< trademark> so no SOCI, ok.
20130630 14:06:04< trademark> what about the boost version?
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20130630 14:08:45< Ivanovic> trademark: i also use gentoo and i try to minimize the use of overlays
20130630 14:08:56< Ivanovic> and don't forget that those distributions also have "binary" packages
20130630 14:09:30< Ivanovic> another reason for being cautious with version bumps is the pandora port i maintain, these days the pandora is build on rather "ancient" libs
20130630 14:09:47< Ivanovic> so by now this, in some cases, is older than what is available in debian stable
20130630 14:10:17< Ivanovic> e.g. the available boost version there is 1.41.0
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20130630 17:05:44< fabi_> hi trademark
20130630 17:20:44< trademark> fabi_, hi
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20130630 17:26:02< fabi_> trademark: 1.36 is the current lowest supported boostlib version.
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20130630 17:43:15< irker529> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_campaignd dd99c905294f / src/ (21 files in 8 dirs): Reorganize repository layout and code. http://git.io/h95dsw
20130630 17:43:17< irker529> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_campaignd 3535af976bec / src/campaign_server/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Request license basics. http://git.io/_LDqYg
20130630 17:43:19< irker529> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_campaignd 3d6eea05be5c / src/ (10 files in 6 dirs): Made the code C++03 compliant. http://git.io/WtHSZQ
20130630 17:43:46< trademark> fabi_, hmm, should I install this version?
20130630 17:44:21< fabi_> trademark: No, install what comes with your distribution (if you use linux)
20130630 17:44:33< trademark> okay
20130630 17:44:57< fabi_> trademark: The travis build system will take care about testing with the lowest version (at least it should).
20130630 17:49:06< trademark> ok
20130630 17:49:17< trademark> hope it will compile this time
20130630 17:52:43< fabi_> trademark: But if you use the libboost, use a documentation of 1.36 to avoid including features not present in it.
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20130630 18:07:58< AI0867> well, the scons build still isn't working right, but I'm close now
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20130630 18:09:15< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#164 (asio_campaignd - 3d6eea0 : Pierre T): The build is still failing.
20130630 18:09:15< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/8595908
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20130630 18:30:03< trademark> AI0867, great, only the link fails with g++, Boost.System & Boost.Option are not linked
20130630 18:31:47< trademark> and you can remove the c++0x support with scons, it should compiles without c++11 now ;)
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20130630 18:47:13< AI0867> yeah, I successfully compiled using vanilla cmake
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20130630 18:56:30< AI0867> I'm still fighting with scons about the internal libraries we build
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20130630 19:17:23< irker529> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:asio_campaignd d58b861b8796 / SConstruct src/SConscript: Fix build in scons http://git.io/yjD_Yg
20130630 19:18:01 * AI0867 immediately remembers he left a bit of a hack in there
20130630 19:19:56< irker529> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:asio_campaignd 537f791b112b / src/SConscript: Document a hack http://git.io/NR1XxQ
20130630 19:22:56< trademark> AI0867, thanks ;-)
20130630 19:27:33 * zookeeper wonders if anyone else would like to commit http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=556422#p556422
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20130630 19:45:32< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#165 (asio_campaignd - d58b861 : Alexander van Gessel): The build is still failing.
20130630 19:45:32< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/8597514
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20130630 19:45:58< irker529> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:asio_campaignd 6a913dbc7d4f / .travis.yml: campaignd no longer needs a separate scons call http://git.io/ad3GLw
20130630 19:46:20< AI0867> trademark: it's still failing under clang, but gcc now works
20130630 19:47:05< AI0867> see https://api.travis-ci.org/jobs/8597515/log.txt?deansi=true
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20130630 19:54:43< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#166 (asio_campaignd - 537f791 : Alexander van Gessel): The build is still failing.
20130630 19:54:43< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/8597600
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20130630 20:02:24< vultraz> hullo LordBob_ 
20130630 20:02:45< LordBob_> hello vultraz 
20130630 20:02:50< vultraz> any progress on the wraijh?
20130630 20:02:52< vultraz> wraith?
20130630 20:02:52< LordBob_> may I be of help ?
20130630 20:03:28< LordBob_> Not yet; I'm working on a revamp of some Frogatto fanart for Jetrel
20130630 20:03:40< vultraz> ah yeah. heard about that
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20130630 20:12:34< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#167 (asio_campaignd - 6a913db : Alexander van Gessel): The build was fixed.
20130630 20:12:34< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/8598136
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20130630 22:13:12< anonymissimus> mordante, trademark: I would be surprised if campaignd was ever compiled on windows...but I subscribe to not using C++11 in anyway
20130630 22:13:42 * anonymissimus recalls a certain std::sort bug only happening under C++11
20130630 22:15:11< anonymissimus> being on the bleeding edge means that *you* are the one who gets confronted with all the bugs that are still left I mean
20130630 22:22:05< AI0867> interestingly, campaignd now builds on gcc versions 4.6, 4.7 and 4.8 under both C++11 and C++03, but clang 3.2 only builds it under C++03
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20130630 23:52:44< shadowm> ... it is going to be called campaignd too? Come on.
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20130630 23:52:59< shadowm> It's not 2003.
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