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20130616 00:13:24< shadowm> Laela: Just those two AFAIK.
20130616 00:14:09< shadowm> Ruk: We don't issue bans affecting your usage of the web server or wiki.
20130616 00:21:10< Laela> Too late, i already removed most places where those happened, reduced number? to less than 20
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20130616 00:34:01< Laela> Why v1.11.4 message of the day in MP lobby says latest version is 1.11.2?
20130616 00:39:13< shadowm> Because someone forgot to change it when 1.11.4 was released. It should be fixed now.
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20130616 03:28:28< Alikexhi3> is there a way to transfer host to someone while in game without changing the sides control ?
20130616 03:28:47< Alikexhi3> and choosing who to give the host)
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20130616 03:37:31< shadowm> No.
20130616 03:41:58< Alikexhi3> sad :(
20130616 03:42:10< Alikexhi3> :host name_of_player would be a nice feature
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20130616 17:11:06< Laela> Is ' allowed in unit id?
20130616 17:11:26< JesseH> Someone, play a game with me
20130616 17:11:35< JesseH> Gambit? I've never played you lets go
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20130616 17:20:29< mjrIII> hi
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20130616 18:13:56< Laela> Is there easy way to use [options] or something similar to choose which factions are allowed from random(or chosen) from specific era?(for rpg era is good enough=no need to change recruits) So far i can only think of array for each checkbox and then selecting random from that after start.
20130616 18:26:04< fabi_> Laela: The #wesnoth channel is more for players. Maybe your questions are better asked in #wesnoth-dev or #wesnoth-umc-dev 
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20130616 18:48:05< Gambit> Laela: So you could have *all* the options available, but use [show_if] to hide the ones that side can't use.
20130616 18:48:15< Gambit> Laela: Or you can use [insert_tag] to dynamically create [option] tags.
20130616 18:49:11< Gambit> [insert_tag] is borderline black magic though
20130616 18:50:53< vultraz> Gambit: don't recommend [insert_tag]. I used it once. It's...black magicks
20130616 18:51:47< Gambit> vultraz: https://github.com/grickit/GambCiv/blob/master/utils/commands/shoot_unit.cfg
20130616 18:51:51 * Gambit laughs like an evil wizard
20130616 18:52:05< Gambit> I wish github had WML syntax highlighting.
20130616 18:52:24< Gambit> Their highlighting stuff is open source. Someone who isn't incompetent as me would have to patch it.
20130616 18:52:29< Gambit> And then file a pull request.
20130616 18:53:18< vultraz> whut...
20130616 18:53:23< vultraz> that code looks so inelegant
20130616 18:53:34< Gambit> It is super inelegant.
20130616 18:54:09< Gambit> I mean really:
20130616 18:54:10< Gambit> {VARIABLE message.option["$($i+$archerytowers+$battleships+$transports+1)"].command.harm_unit.filter.x $x1}
20130616 18:54:52< Gambit> That's setting [message] [option] [command] [harm_unit] [filter] x = $x1
20130616 18:55:05< vultraz> why the hell do you do that>
20130616 18:55:08< vultraz> ?*
20130616 18:55:41< Gambit> vultraz: So when you have a unit that's near an archery tower, a battle ship, or a transport ship (those all have ranged attacks), you can right click on that unit and pick "shoot unit"
20130616 18:55:46< Gambit> And then you get an option of what to shoot it with.
20130616 18:56:02< Gambit> vultraz: It *appears* a lot more elegantly to the player than picking a ship then picking a unit.
20130616 18:56:19< Gambit> It's all one step; one menu; one choice to them.
20130616 18:56:57< vultraz> what's wrong with using [filter_radius]
20130616 18:57:10< Gambit> vultraz: The [message] is dynamically generated.
20130616 18:57:21< vultraz> yes
20130616 18:57:24< vultraz> I can see that
20130616 18:57:28< Gambit> There's nothing wrong with [filter_radius].
20130616 18:57:53< vultraz> but you could do it much simpler than that
20130616 18:58:11< Gambit> Hm?
20130616 18:59:24< vultraz> for every archery tower, transport, or watchtower, you're generating and option to shoot the unit right?
20130616 19:00:00< Gambit> So they right click a unit and a menu pops up. That menu contains an option for each thing they can shoot the unit with.
20130616 19:00:29< vultraz> alright
20130616 19:00:45< vultraz> lemme see what I can do with this...
20130616 19:01:15< Gambit> Uh... sure. I really don't think there's anything to be done, but knock yourself out.
20130616 19:06:57< vultraz> hm...
20130616 19:07:06< vultraz> I could do a lot more if this used a custom GUI2 dialog
20130616 19:08:28< Gambit> if custom GUI2 dialogs were exposed to WML, I could do a lot more on everything
20130616 19:08:42< Gambit> The whole add-on would be a lot better.
20130616 19:08:55< Gambit> That would go for a lot of add-ons.
20130616 19:09:06< Gambit> Also if ThemeWML could access game variables.
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20130616 19:09:51< vultraz> LUA
20130616 19:09:53< vultraz> LUUUAAAA
20130616 19:09:58< vultraz> LLLLLLUUUUUUUAAAAAA
20130616 19:10:02< vultraz> *tribal dance*
20130616 19:10:11< bumbadadabum> MINING TURTLES
20130616 19:10:37< Gambit> Lua is not even the right language for custom GUI2 dialogs.
20130616 19:10:54< bumbadadabum> Gambit: I agree with that, but it's the best we've got right now
20130616 19:11:23< bumbadadabum> if someone would make a WML implementation, that'd be cool
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20130616 19:37:45< _8680_> Gambit: What do you think *would* be the right language for custom GUI2 dialogs?
20130616 19:37:57< _8680_> WML I suppose?
20130616 19:38:52< _8680_> They can already be *defined* in WML, though their logic is in Lua. (Compare HTML and JavaScript.)
20130616 19:39:20< _8680_> However, I suppose you would like to be able to define their logic in WML?
20130616 19:41:25< _8680_> I think I could write a tag to show a dialog, using a dialog definition stored in a WML variable, and using WML events as callbacks; fairly easily even.
20130616 19:41:35< _8680_> I’ll look into it sometime.
20130616 19:41:49< Gambit> _8680_: considering it's WML internally...
20130616 19:42:09< _8680_> What do you mean, “WML internally”?
20130616 19:42:16< vultraz> Gambit: http://pastebin.com/bD2U4vT7
20130616 19:42:23< _8680_> It’s C++ internally, to my knowledge.
20130616 19:42:38< vultraz> Gambit: you'll have to fix indent
20130616 19:43:08< Gambit> That's really not any different from what I'm doing
20130616 19:43:12< vultraz> _8680_: WML SUCKS for the complex stuff you might want to do in a GUI dialog. Can you imagine my inventory code in WML?
20130616 19:43:16< Gambit> you're just using [set_variables] to avoid a bunc hof macro calls.
20130616 19:43:22< vultraz> Gambit: yes. but it looks cleaner
20130616 19:45:28< vultraz> Gambit: and it's way less redundant when expanded
20130616 19:47:22< vultraz> Gambit: amirite?
20130616 19:47:53< bumbadadabum> vultraz: If you make a good implementation, it's much easier
20130616 19:48:10< vultraz> bumbadadabum: what do you mean?
20130616 19:48:13< bumbadadabum> maybe something like...
20130616 19:48:17< _8680_> vultraz: Oh, I quite agree. But I wouldn’t want Gambit’s antipathy toward Lua to prevent him, and all those nameless UMC authors he champions, from making more advanced interfaces.
20130616 19:48:31< bumbadadabum> [button]
20130616 19:48:38< bumbadadabum> name= and all stuff
20130616 19:48:41< bumbadadabum> [on_click]
20130616 19:48:47< bumbadadabum> action_wml
20130616 19:48:53< bumbadadabum> something like that
20130616 19:49:24< vultraz> possibly
20130616 19:49:33< vultraz> but I'm lazy
20130616 19:49:38< bumbadadabum> lists would be hard-ish
20130616 19:49:49< vultraz> I just spent half an hour optimizing stuff for gambit
20130616 19:50:06< bumbadadabum> cool beans
20130616 19:50:08< Gambit> Yeah you should not have done that.
20130616 19:50:16< vultraz> why?
20130616 19:50:28< Gambit> Because I don't have any plans to use it.
20130616 19:50:31< bumbadadabum> Gambit's not gonna use it
20130616 19:50:36< bumbadadabum> ninja'd
20130616 19:50:56< vultraz> ....
20130616 19:51:00< vultraz> well screw you too
20130616 19:51:25< Gambit> It's not any better than the current way
20130616 19:51:36< vultraz> it is when it's expanded
20130616 19:51:39< vultraz> aka
20130616 19:51:41< vultraz> IN SAVE FILES
20130616 19:51:47< vultraz> seriosuly
20130616 19:51:52< vultraz> [set_variable] everywhere...
20130616 19:52:00< vultraz> plus it's easier to read and modify
20130616 19:52:07< Gambit> If a GambCiv save makes someone run out of harddrive space they have larger problems.
20130616 19:52:28< vultraz> ....
20130616 19:53:02< vultraz> that's not the point
20130616 19:53:06< vultraz> the point is optimization
20130616 19:57:08< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_optimization#When_to_optimize
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20130616 19:59:57< Gambit> vultraz: One thing I am interested in here, because your experiene is more recent than mine, why have you placed underlines before the macro arguments?
20130616 20:00:23< Gambit> Underscores, rather.
20130616 20:00:27< vultraz> because shadowm does it, and I adopted the convention
20130616 20:01:02< vultraz> it doesn't really matter, it's just a style thing
20130616 20:01:09< bumbadadabum> Gambit: I think it's so there aren't issues with macros named VALUE or something like that
20130616 20:01:16< Gambit> I was wondering if there had been collision problems with mainline.
20130616 20:23:49< _8680_> Gambit, would you say that vultraz’s version is less readable/maintainable than yours?
20130616 20:25:52< _8680_> It looks more maintainable to me, and that ought to be more important than optimization.
20130616 20:36:28< JesseH> _8680_, 1v1
20130616 20:38:14< _8680_> JesseH: I don’t have time currently; apologies.
20130616 20:38:47< JesseH> Gambit, Lets play your mod
20130616 20:38:51< JesseH> _8680_, its okay
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