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20130617 03:06:42< Ruk_2> Again, I still can't connect to main server
20130617 03:07:07< Ruk_2> The server's status is OK, I've checked
20130617 03:07:18< Ruk_2> Now I can only join the alternate servers
20130617 03:09:28< Ruk_2> When I connect to main server, it hold for awhile and show message "Could not connect to host"
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20130617 16:11:00< Hulavuta> wesbot: seen artisticdude
20130617 16:11:00< wesbot> Hulavuta: The person with the nick artisticdude last spoke 2d 22h ago.  2d 22h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
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20130617 16:26:27< sea-theorem> Hi all. :) I'm playing wesnoth now, and I just thought of something that would really help me out
20130617 16:26:44< sea-theorem> The map. I'm not very good at seeing colours, and the minimap is a bit less useful to me than it should be
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20130617 16:27:25< sea-theorem> but I thought that the units on the map would be /much/ easier to see if they were flashing, or if they had an outline of some sort.
20130617 16:27:35< sea-theorem> (n.b. the coloured squares on the minimap)
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20130617 16:27:46< lipkab> fabi__: ^
20130617 16:28:58< lipkab> sea-theorem: I think the flashing thing would be too distractive for most people, but we can probably do something with the outlines.
20130617 16:29:10< sea-theorem> You could add an option to make them flash.
20130617 16:29:17< sea-theorem> wesnoth -flashing-minimap-units or something.
20130617 16:29:38< fabi__> sea-theorem: We are working on this right now. Please join #wesnoth-dev
20130617 16:29:43< sea-theorem> actually, right now there's a blue-team unit standing next to a river. 
20130617 16:29:48< jetrel_laptop> That's kind of a terrible idea.
20130617 16:30:58< jetrel_laptop> Not to be brusque, of course - brainstorming shouldn't be discouraged.
20130617 16:31:25< jetrel_laptop> But there's a reason people rejoiced when the <blink> tag finally got a stake driven through its heart.
20130617 16:31:43< jetrel_laptop> And there's a reason "options are bad" is one of our policies.
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20130617 17:00:46< Alikexhi> hi, someone knows if there is an addon pack with the old wesnoth map called BLITZ ?
20130617 17:00:50< Alikexhi> (2p - Blitz)
20130617 17:07:51< sea-theorem> :) Whoever came up with the zombie sprites for different creatures was brilliant
20130617 17:09:15< Soliton> Alikexhi: it's called weldyn channel nowadays.
20130617 17:09:46< Soliton> Alikexhi: if you want an old version it's probably easiest to get an old wesnoth version.
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20130617 17:14:52< sea-theorem> Is there any good reason why the undead can't have one of the second tier 'ghost' units as the leader?
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20130617 17:15:14< Soliton> too good movement for a leader.
20130617 17:18:32< sea-theorem> Oh, that makes sense. :P The undead should have more leaders though, imho.
20130617 17:19:36 * sea-theorem pretends that Yog Sothoth is the leader
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20130617 17:25:15< framling> I'm really into 5p - Forest of Fear. Any addons with good 5p maps? 
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20130617 17:27:39< framling> Actually, any ffa map with an odd number of players is cool
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20130617 18:06:40< Alikexhi> Soliton, actually on 1.8 there was a map-pack with Blitz, that's why I thought it was maybe existing on 1.10
20130617 18:11:25< Soliton> unless it does not name the map files something with blitz i don't see any such add-on for 1.8.
20130617 18:12:01< Soliton> for 1.6 on the other hand there appears to be such an add-on.
20130617 18:14:34< Soliton> you could try running that through wmlint and see if it still works with 1.10. shouldn't be all that difficult to make work in any case.
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20130617 18:38:30< Alikexhi> Soliton, ok thx, I'll do that when I'll have the time :)
20130617 18:38:47< Alikexhi> onyl terrain codes which changed names I guess ?
20130617 18:46:29< Soliton> could be, also campaigns dir was renamed to add-ons. wmllint should take care of either though.
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20130617 21:25:10< UukGoblin> hi guys
20130617 21:25:19< UukGoblin> where can I learn about strategy?
20130617 21:25:49< UukGoblin> i.e. how to defend against lots of dark adepts coming in from 4 bridges or shallow water on a mostly-plain map
20130617 21:26:10< UukGoblin> with a moderate number of mediocre units? ;-]
20130617 21:26:35< UukGoblin> namely AToTB map #1 on hard (aka expert) ;-]
20130617 21:27:03< bumbadadabum> I'd say retreat during the night and attack with horsemen during the day
20130617 21:29:05< UukGoblin> mhm, reasonable
20130617 21:29:15< UukGoblin> but the area is vast... mostly plain
20130617 21:29:26< UukGoblin> not sure where to defend
20130617 21:29:38< UukGoblin> and in general, my command skills suck
20130617 21:29:43< UukGoblin> and I want to be like Ender! ;-]
20130617 21:30:08< UukGoblin> maybe there are some good replays to learn from?
20130617 21:30:21< UukGoblin> I'll check youtube, actually
20130617 21:30:22< bumbadadabum> you can always check the wiki and forums
20130617 21:39:00< Soliton> with horseman on large plains you don't defend... you attack at day and obliterate the enemy.
20130617 21:40:15< UukGoblin> but... from which direction? ;-]
20130617 21:40:32< UukGoblin> should I keep them together or spread?
20130617 21:40:59< UukGoblin> the guy seems to use ghosts to take over villages and keeps other units... well, looks spread right now
20130617 21:41:04< Alikexhi> UukGoblin, mages can be a good defense against dark adepts too
20130617 21:41:14< Soliton> attack to kill so keep them as much together as you need to kill as much as possible.
20130617 21:41:57< Alikexhi> UukGoblin, units with ranged attack can make the defense for night
20130617 21:42:10< Alikexhi> so they hurt themselbes while attacking you
20130617 21:42:18< UukGoblin> Alikexhi, nopeonly got Bowmen, Footpads, Horsemen and Spearmen
20130617 21:42:24< Soliton> just run away if at all possible.
20130617 21:42:49< Alikexhi> but Soliton you must attack more than defend, attack is the best defense
20130617 21:43:13< Alikexhi> attack then run at night and maybe use ranged units to make a "wall"
20130617 21:43:13< Soliton> that's what i said.
20130617 21:43:20< Soliton> really do look for replays on the forum/wiki though.
20130617 21:43:27< Soliton> best way to learn.
20130617 21:43:34< Alikexhi> or playing a lot :D
20130617 21:43:48< UukGoblin> ok
20130617 21:43:50< UukGoblin> replays on forum/wiki
20130617 21:44:05< UukGoblin> I saw like a huge list of all replays that were observable on the main server
20130617 21:44:06< Soliton> note that every savegame is a repolay.
20130617 21:44:15< UukGoblin> but there's like, no way of knowing which one is good and which one isn't
20130617 21:44:20< Soliton> right but that's mp.
20130617 21:44:26< UukGoblin> ah
20130617 21:44:47< Soliton> if you're interested in mp you could check ladder replays.
20130617 21:44:59< UukGoblin> I will be, later
20130617 21:45:06< UukGoblin> once I get some feel for the game
20130617 21:45:15< UukGoblin> only finished the South Guard on easy so far
20130617 21:45:54< UukGoblin> only last scenario was mildly difficult... until I found a way to beat it in 3 turns
20130617 21:48:32< UukGoblin> horsemen have no defense agains ranged ghosts :-/
20130617 21:49:15< UukGoblin> I went out to do some damage on dawn and got pretty much sourrounded now at day :-/
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20130617 21:57:06< UukGoblin> can do nothing to ghosts
20130617 21:57:14< UukGoblin> but adepts die pretty quick
20130617 21:57:26< UukGoblin> maybe that's actually the goal, the scenario mentions things about killing adepts
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20130617 22:03:03< UukGoblin> managed to kill all adepts
20130617 22:03:05< UukGoblin> but lost most horsemen
20130617 22:03:17< UukGoblin> and now ghosts are chasing me at night and killing off the remaining units
20130617 22:04:55< UukGoblin> lulz the most probable battle result (against a ghosts) is that it recovers some of its HP ;-]
20130617 22:04:59< UukGoblin> nowhere to run :-\
20130617 22:14:58< Soliton> post a replay.
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20130617 22:16:10< UukGoblin> managed to rebuild some horsemen, will post if I die :-]
20130617 22:26:47< UukGoblin> oh crap, ran out of turns
20130617 22:26:58< UukGoblin> and it was looking so good
20130617 22:28:59< UukGoblin> http://yat.uukgoblin.net/AToTB-Rooting_Out_a_Mage_replay.gz
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20130617 22:33:34< UukGoblin> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=10334&start=30#p380823 says to use footpads
20130617 22:33:37< UukGoblin> I'll try that now
20130617 22:35:26< bumbadadabum> UukGoblin: other posts suggest you should distract them and assassinate the leader
20130617 22:39:26< UukGoblin> bumbadadabum, yeah that might help with me running out of turns
20130617 23:04:01< UukGoblin> \o/
20130617 23:04:05< UukGoblin> charged the leader and won
20130617 23:04:22< bumbadadabum> That's what horsemen are for
20130617 23:04:24< UukGoblin> HP of my leader went down to some 40%, but I managed :-]
20130617 23:04:45< UukGoblin> out of the attacking 4 only one survived
20130617 23:04:55< UukGoblin> but I had a group of regular units coming in from the south too
20130617 23:05:25< UukGoblin> was pretty tough, I like it :-]
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