--- Log opened Wed Jun 19 00:00:57 2013
20130619 00:05:31< UukGoblin> hm
20130619 00:05:33< UukGoblin> but but
20130619 00:05:40< UukGoblin> career possibilities! ;-]
20130619 00:11:25< zookeeper> well, they can make it easier for your knights to level up by crippling high-level enemies :p
20130619 00:11:32< UukGoblin> so how does it work with charge... if an enemy without charge initiates combat with my lancer, can my lancer defend? will charge rules be in place?
20130619 00:12:02< zookeeper> on defense, everything happens as usual, there's simply not any damage doubling for anyone
20130619 00:12:09< UukGoblin> ok
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20130619 00:12:36< zookeeper> charge == when the attacker has charge, both units' damage doubles
20130619 00:12:49< UukGoblin> cool, thanks
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20130619 01:09:08< UukGoblin> bloody hell
20130619 01:09:15< UukGoblin> managed to kill the bastard in the very last turn :-]
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20130619 12:47:16< ReNoM> hi all
20130619 12:50:32< ReNoM> somebody here?
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20130619 12:52:09< fabi> hi ReNoM
20130619 12:56:39< ReNoM> developers was here?
20130619 12:57:50< zookeeper> quite a few, yes.
20130619 12:57:58< zookeeper> what do you need?
20130619 13:03:52< ReNoM> I'm administrator of Russian Wesnoth Community site. We think last versions of Wesnoth includes only visual and convenience updates. Why developers don't make any gameplay updates? Thanks.
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20130619 13:24:14< zookeeper> ReNoM, well, the core gameplay is so solid and established that we're not really doing any substantial changes to that, and even minor changes are pretty rare.
20130619 13:24:55< zookeeper> as for changes and additions to campaigns and individual scenarios, that's mostly because there's not many people around these days with the time and inclination to do that sort of improvements.
20130619 13:31:45< fabi> ReNoM: What kind of updates do you like to see?
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20130619 13:35:27< ReNoM> zookeeper, for example, many players want to see something like battle.net on official server. e.g. integrate ladder-rating in game. This especially actually after we have two ladders (wesnoth.gamingladder.info and www.lddr.pl). May be it's some new type of game? You can see, only in Russia we have big interest to 1vs1 (PvP) matchups. We organize tournaments for Russian-speaking users, and to develop Wesnoth tournament engine writed on php - http://tour
20130619 13:35:27< ReNoM> .wesnothlife.ru/?lang=english
20130619 13:35:47< ReNoM> http://tour.wesnothlife.ru/?lang=english
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20130619 13:36:54< ReNoM> also may be do more balanced default era and maps for PvP games.
20130619 13:39:58< fabi> ReNoM: Maybe you search for nice and well made maps on the addon server, then suggest them for mainline inclusion on the forum.
20130619 13:40:17< ReNoM> may be add new factions. khalifate was a good innovation (If make good balanced it).
20130619 13:40:30< fabi> ReNoM: We pretty much regard the default era as well balanced, where do you still see problems?
20130619 13:40:56< fabi> ReNoM: Yes, we still plan to add the Khalifate after the last balance problems are solved.
20130619 13:41:55< fabi> ReNoM: But don't expect much more factions added to the default era, adding more factions makes balancing more and more difficult.
20130619 13:42:28< fabi> ReNoM: But  we could add another era beside the default and age of heroes, if there are any well made ones out there.
20130619 13:44:46< fabi> Also, you might be happy to hear that there is a new type of addon in the development version, "MP modification". It can be used to introduce different gameplay mechanics.
20130619 13:47:04< ReNoM> fabi, when we played PvP games, we find some problems in balance. Loyalist is more powerful than other factions. Knalgan Alliance in 75% games wins Undead (you should to spam units with impact for making imbalance Knalgan Alliance in this matchup). And some other examples...
20130619 13:48:02< fabi> ReNoM: There is another channel, #wesnoth-mp you can discuss the balance problem in there with the MP developers.
20130619 13:48:41< enchilado> Happy birthday, Wesnoth!
20130619 13:49:11< Laela> is #wesnoth-mp about core multiplayer or any?
20130619 13:49:45< ReNoM> fabi, e.g. we can make addon for PvP and you add him to Wesnoth if any well made?
20130619 13:50:10< fabi> ReNoM: Yes
20130619 13:50:30< fabi> Laela: Yes, it is about core mulitplayer and any.
20130619 13:51:32< fabi> ReNoM: The link to the tour.wesnothlife.ru homepage is reported as an attack page in my browser.
20130619 13:52:36< Laela> same report for me
20130619 13:53:04< ReNoM> fabi, were viruses on our server, but I were clean by avast. And google still not update info %).
20130619 13:56:33< fabi> ReNoM: About the ladder support. We have an ancient paradigm that says everything competitive would harm the nice atmosphere of the community. That is why ladder support and rating system for addons are denied since ages. My personal opinion is that this paradigm is rather silly especially for a game that focus on war. Maybe we can delete this paradigm in the future with more and more new developers joining the project.
20130619 14:00:31< fabi> ReNoM: Just adding support for ladders but disabling it on our main server would allow you to have your own one with ladder support for example.
20130619 14:01:49< ReNoM> fabi, may be it's true. But you can make rating system optional. For example, flagging games when creating, such as - "Game for rating.". Unofficial ladder games we play on similar principle, but by hand.
20130619 14:03:58< ReNoM> fabi, it's really good idea. But most Wesnoth developer is work in mainline. And it's most possible to implement in mainline :).
20130619 14:05:33< fabi> ReNoM: My suggestion was aimed at mainline integration.
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20130619 16:40:43< Soliton> 75% of statistics are made up on the spot.
20130619 16:41:23< lowsfer> Hi, I'm trying to write an [effect] in amla.cfg. But I got a problem in [filter] part. Could anyone tell me how to fix it? See http://pastebin.com/Vcsii3mA
20130619 16:42:08< vultraz> Soliton: 52% of those made up ace actually true
20130619 16:42:59< lowsfer> More specifically, it should be a problem in [variable] section. Wesnoth 1.10.6
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20130619 19:46:43< alexandergranase> What's the best campaign to play if you want to get better at the game? I find the "heir to the trone" far to difficult, even on beginner
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20130619 22:06:37< UukGoblin> \o/ beated AToTB
20130619 22:06:41< UukGoblin> on challenging
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