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20130713 12:28:36< fabi__> vultraz: Around?
20130713 12:28:49< vultraz> yes
20130713 12:29:20< fabi__> vultraz: I have implemented the fix for the selection tool, but the result is not satisfying, as you predicted.
20130713 12:30:37< fabi__> vultraz: This leaves me with two options: Restoring the old behavior while dropping the context menu. 
20130713 12:31:07< fabi__> vultraz: The old implementation worked well, still the context menu seem to be useful.
20130713 12:31:40< fabi__> vultraz: Thus I wonder if I could work with a modifier key. Something like shift + click will deselect.
20130713 12:33:03< vultraz> hm....
20130713 12:33:26< vultraz> that sound good
20130713 12:33:31< vultraz> (shift+click)
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20130713 12:35:09< vultraz> fabi__: off topic, but I've been thinking a new show_in_editor [race] key would be useful, since some addons have dummy races that shouldn't be shown
20130713 12:35:19< vultraz> (the default would be yes)
20130713 12:36:33< fabi__> Well, you currently don't see any new races in the editor if not especially added inside a #ifdef EDITOR, right?
20130713 12:37:30< vultraz> true. however some people use an all-inclusive include, not individual race includes
20130713 12:41:38< fabi__> You mean they have a file structure that doesn't allow to only add the valid ones?
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20130713 12:44:10< vultraz> fabi__: correct. AtS, IftU, NX, and EoC, for example, all do that
20130713 12:44:44< fabi__> What is a dummy [race] used for?
20130713 12:46:33< vultraz> fake units, mostly. eg, special copies of a unit with specific animations, or no hp bars, etc
20130713 12:48:17< fabi__> The file structure of AtS seem to be usable with the editor.
20130713 12:49:22< fabi__> The show_in_editor key might make more sense on a per unit base.
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20130713 12:53:44< vultraz> fabi__: a [unit_type] subkey?
20130713 12:53:52< fabi__> yes
20130713 12:54:03< vultraz> hm...yes, that might be good
20130713 12:55:55< vultraz> fabi__: on a related note, I'm thinking on adding a show_overlays key that would duplicate [animate_unit] with_bars= behavior (hide orbs, crowns, and ellipses). Should I make it a [unit] key or [unit_type], or both?
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20130713 13:02:13< fabi__> vultraz: Hmmm, I don't know. Tell me more about the feature.
20130713 13:03:33< vultraz> well, it would allow the author to hide a specific unit's crowns, orb, and ellipse if they wanted for cutscenes
20130713 13:03:55< vultraz> I'm thinking a [unit] subkey is more appropriate 
20130713 13:04:58< fabi__> indeed
20130713 13:05:06< fabi__> it seems to belong in unit.
20130713 13:05:25< fabi__> but I wouldn't duplicate [animate_unit].
20130713 13:07:07< fabi__> It seems to be more appropriate to check it in the drawing functions for the overlays.
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20130713 13:16:57< vultraz> fabi__: said function does orbs, ellipses, and crowns?
20130713 13:17:56< fabi__> orbs and crowns are in the same function iirc.
20130713 13:18:05< fabi__> The ellipses might be in a different one.
20130713 13:19:35< fabi__> Since you already can disable the ellipses in the preferences, the codepath for not drawing them is already in place and needs only to get extended by the check for the attribute.
20130713 13:29:44< vultraz> ah, ok
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20130713 15:58:47< irker220> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 48375b38aede / SConstruct: Avoid some redundant scons config checks http://git.io/eViNjA
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20130713 16:03:59< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#228 (asio_umcd - 48375b3 : loonycyborg): The build is still failing.
20130713 16:03:59< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/9039983
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20130713 16:15:53< irker220> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 00bdf85deb15 / SConstruct: Ensure that pthread check comes before boost_thread check http://git.io/mpNjgQ
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20130713 16:21:40< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#229 (asio_umcd - 00bdf85 : loonycyborg): The build is still failing.
20130713 16:21:40< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/9040341
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20130713 18:58:20< stikonas> Espreon: Hi. Do you know where can I find localization resources for the new title page map, i.e. for data/core/images/maps/titlescreen.png? I can only find information on the old map.
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20130713 19:01:02< Espreon> stikonas: Eh, I honestly don't know much about the new maps. zookeeper's your guy!
20130713 19:01:15< stikonas> zookeeper: ^^
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20130713 19:08:16< zookeeper> stikonas, http://wiki.wesnoth.org/MapLocalization
20130713 19:08:30< stikonas> thanks
20130713 19:08:40< zookeeper> it should have everything you need... if not, just ask
20130713 19:10:01< zookeeper> if you've worked with the old maps then you probably already have Monotype Corsiva
20130713 19:10:19< zookeeper> if not, google gives you plenty of sources
20130713 19:11:15< stikonas> yeah, I've worked with the old maps, although I don't necesseraly have this font. I might have been using other computer, etc...
20130713 19:12:10< zookeeper> i presume you don't have photoshop?
20130713 19:12:16< stikonas> no, just GIMP
20130713 19:12:56< stikonas> GIMP 2.8.6 actually
20130713 19:13:01< zookeeper> ok. the text warping/bending tools aren't that great in GIMP so you might need to take special care that they don't end up all blurry
20130713 19:13:36< zookeeper> ...or you can just not use any such effects, whatever works for you
20130713 19:15:40< Espreon> zookeeper: Would you mind inspecting some localized maps for me? I'm afraid I can't do it anytime soon...
20130713 19:16:04< zookeeper> Espreon, what's there to inspect?
20130713 19:16:15< Espreon> Oh, just some French maps.
20130713 19:16:25< Espreon> I'll give you the link.
20130713 19:17:10< zookeeper> sure
20130713 19:17:18< Espreon> http://ubuntuone.com/4VE0DYVqenaVBiXjKD6AE4
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20130713 19:17:27< Espreon> Thanks
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20130713 19:23:42< zookeeper> Espreon, they're ok. some labels use a bit different sizing and/or bolding making them less legible against the background, but nothing massively wrong with them.
20130713 19:27:20< Espreon> Hmmm, OK.
20130713 19:27:23< Espreon> Thanks.
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20130713 19:57:47< stikonas> zookeeper: I'm strugling slightly with a GIMP postprocessing script. I have translated one label and tried to run the script but I don't see my translation in the overlay
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20130713 19:57:56< stikonas> Do you know what the problem might be?
20130713 19:59:37< iwontbecreative> elias : here?
20130713 20:09:59< zookeeper> stikonas, double-checked whether the layer naming is right?
20130713 20:12:12< elias> iwontbecreative: yes
20130713 20:14:20< iwontbecreative> elias : I'm having some issues with wmlparser2.py
20130713 20:14:43< iwontbecreative> Trying to do a python script that would extract information from campaigns for the wiki
20130713 20:14:51< elias> not surprised... really need to streamline the options
20130713 20:14:57< elias> but i may be able to help
20130713 20:15:10< stikonas> zookeeper: I've named my new layer "labels" and haven't touched the others
20130713 20:15:18< iwontbecreative> And I might need to do some slight changes to the tool 
20130713 20:15:40< iwontbecreative> Is there anything I can use to test if my changes do any harm ?
20130713 20:17:09< elias> make sure -T keeps working
20130713 20:17:24< elias> possibly add additional tests
20130713 20:17:36< zookeeper> stikonas, hrhm, can't say off the top of my head what's wrong, if you hand me the file i can take a look
20130713 20:18:25< stikonas> zookeeper: https://stikonas.eu/files/localization.xcf
20130713 20:23:06< zookeeper> checking...
20130713 20:24:36< zookeeper> (or rather, downloading...)
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20130713 20:24:48< irker613> wesnoth: Thibault Févry wesnoth-old:master 55244205f70d / data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser2.py: Add the possibility to choose which value will be returned in get_text_val https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/55244205f70db20ef9b17b08502417f9d3b65bc2
20130713 20:25:10< elias> iwontbecreative: i actually don't know who is using the JSON and XML output
20130713 20:25:20< iwontbecreative> elias : This change shouldn't break anything at least
20130713 20:25:21< stikonas> sorry, my upload speed might be fairly slow atm. I'm behind a VPN now
20130713 20:25:33< iwontbecreative> elias : I know someone planned to do a new units.wesnoth page at some point
20130713 20:25:42< iwontbecreative> And used json/xml output
20130713 20:25:48< elias> ah, true
20130713 20:25:53< iwontbecreative> But I thing he never finished it
20130713 20:27:08< elias> what change are you making?
20130713 20:28:56< iwontbecreative> elias : Atm, nothing
20130713 20:29:13< iwontbecreative> But I'm looking into why my tool only works for half the campaigns
20130713 20:29:23< iwontbecreative> And it seems that often wmlparser2.py is at fault
20130713 20:30:02< zookeeper> stikonas, yeah there's something not working right, i can even reproduce that with another map O.o
20130713 20:30:13< elias> iwontbecreative: i see. could also be the reason why some user campaigns don't work on units.wesnoth.org
20130713 20:30:21< iwontbecreative> elias : I'll cleanup the code for my tool and commit it.
20130713 20:30:36< stikonas> zookeeper: this is HttT map
20130713 20:30:43< elias> all official ones do though, so I never looked into it all that much
20130713 20:30:51< stikonas> has anybody done any localization with the new maps?
20130713 20:31:10< iwontbecreative> elias : Might be yes, I had already glanced at this issue seeing your commit but couldn't find an answer
20130713 20:31:10< zookeeper> stikonas, ah, i might know what it is. unfortunately i'll have to go grab a piece of strawberry cake first, back in a few minutes :P
20130713 20:31:10< stikonas> Or I'm the first one
20130713 20:31:10< stikonas> zookeeper: sure :)
20130713 20:31:10< zookeeper> stikonas, yeah, someone did a while back
20130713 20:31:42< zookeeper> while i have some cake, try adding some yellow (the forest label color) pixels and see if that solves it
20130713 20:32:08< elias> btw, is "wesnoth-old" still the new repository?
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20130713 20:36:56< stikonas> zookeeper: wonderful!
20130713 20:37:36< stikonas> Should I edit the wiki and make a short note?
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20130713 20:37:57< stikonas> that you need both golden  and black pixels in order for the script to work
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20130713 20:46:20< zookeeper> stikonas, well i need to fix that bug first... or maybe i already did but never uploaded the fixed version
20130713 20:46:28< zookeeper> s/first/anyway
20130713 20:46:42< zookeeper> but yeah, i don't mind if you add a note like that. if/when i fix it i can remove it then
20130713 20:48:47< zookeeper> ok, please add the note. looks like i don't have it fixed even locally.
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20130713 21:01:40< stikonas> zookeeper: sorry, one more question. Can you explain me what is tracking or where can I find it? e.g. tracking ~200
20130713 21:01:55< zookeeper> it's the distance between each letter
20130713 21:02:03< zookeeper> in GIMP that's, uh, let me check...
20130713 21:02:40< stikonas> there is an option that changes distance between letters
20130713 21:02:54< stikonas> but even 2 is fairly large distance
20130713 21:02:54< zookeeper> yeah, doesn't seem to have a name though
20130713 21:03:16< zookeeper> yeah looks like the scale is entirely different
20130713 21:04:19< zookeeper> just use whatever looks visually good or similar to the english one
20130713 21:04:31< stikonas> ok, I'll try to experiment
20130713 21:04:51< zookeeper> ...and btw, if you're craving to help more, i certainly don't mind if you add that sort of info the the wiki :}
20130713 21:04:52< stikonas> maybe I can try to reproduce the english label first
20130713 21:05:13< stikonas> of course, I guess I can find some time now
20130713 21:05:20< stikonas> it's holidays after all
20130713 21:05:39< stikonas> although there are many such things that I have to do during the holidays...
20130713 21:10:49< irker613> wesnoth: Thibault Févry wesnoth-old:master 34bcf22807d8 / data/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix typos http://git.io/rHMAqw
20130713 21:15:08< irker613> wesnoth: Thibault Févry wesnoth-old:master df859cca4f53 / data/tools/campaign2wiki.py: Add a non-finished script that aims to autogenerate information about some campa http://git.io/Fc2Qfw
20130713 21:16:34< Laela> Just channel has 3 bots but only 1 has output I need.
20130713 21:16:46< Laela> wrong channel
20130713 21:18:44< iwontbecreative> elias : Comitted the tool if you want to take a quick glance.
20130713 21:21:27< elias> hm, i'm not sure you can parse the individual .cfg files
20130713 21:23:01< elias> wesnoth just parses data/_main.cfg, which then includes all the campaigns
20130713 21:23:15< elias> so that's what I'd do
20130713 21:23:32< elias> the returned WML than will have a list of all the campaigns
20130713 21:24:47< iwontbecreative> elias : Did not know about that file.
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20130713 21:26:03< elias> iwontbecreative: each campaign then has a "define=" attribute
20130713 21:26:26< iwontbecreative> elias : It works for some campaigns though
20130713 21:26:29< elias> if you define that as a preprocessor constant, additional data for that campaign (like scenarios) are read
20130713 21:26:46< elias> iwontbecreative: yes, just saying, it's not the way the wesnoth executable itself parses them
20130713 21:26:53< iwontbecreative> Would be nice to know why wmlparser2 works with some but not all
20130713 21:27:07< elias> i have no idea why it's done in such a weird way
20130713 21:28:37< elias> some of those .cfg files may not be designed to work standalone
20130713 21:29:54< elias> so to be on the safe side, just read data/_main.cfg and in the first pass get the list of campaigns and the "define=" for each, then use the defines to read them
20130713 21:32:46< iwontbecreative> elias : I'll look into that although I'm not very familiar with wmlparser2.py yet
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20130713 22:52:00< iwontbecreative> elias : One bug detected with wmlparser2.py
20130713 22:54:05< irker613> wesnoth: Thibault Févry wesnoth-old:master 05addd327480 / data/tools/campaign2wiki.py: Added wiki_output, basic features now work with some campaigns. http://git.io/lzA8UA
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20130713 22:54:50< iwontbecreative> elias : use campaign2wiki.py, paste it in a wiki page, the description from THoT will be empty
20130713 22:56:15< iwontbecreative> elias : Now edit data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/_main.cfg and add a blank line before 'description='
20130713 22:56:37< iwontbecreative> elias : launch campaign2wiki.py again, it should now work for THoT description
20130713 22:57:15< iwontbecreative> So I guess there's an issue with either difficulty_descriptions or #wmlint comments bugging the parser
20130713 23:09:09< iwontbecreative> elias : Easier test : run http://pastebin.com/rKxPqA1R from data/tools/ do the change in THoT campaign file and relaunch the script
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20130713 23:17:11< iwontbecreative> elias : Just tested some of the blacklisted campaigns, this bug happens to be the issue with most of them.
20130713 23:18:14< elias> yeah, need to reproduce it with a smaller example
20130713 23:18:18< elias> then analyze the parser output
20130713 23:18:33< elias> probably just some WML feature not supported by wmlparser2, but not sure what right now
20130713 23:20:28< iwontbecreative> elias : see the message at 23:09 for easy bug replication
20130713 23:20:59< iwontbecreative> elias : Same issue with Northern Rebirth scenario 14a
20130713 23:21:00< irker613> wesnoth: Thibault Févry wesnoth-old:master 765bff6258c7 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/14a_Epilogue.cfg: Fix a typo in a comment. http://git.io/WJJeMA
20130713 23:21:27< iwontbecreative> Comments seem to make wmlparser2 ignore the next line
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20130713 23:26:29< elias> it works if I change the True to False when creating the parser
20130713 23:26:42< elias> with True you disable preprocessing
20130713 23:26:46< elias> so there can be no comments
20130713 23:26:59< iwontbecreative> elias : I feel dumb now
20130713 23:27:09< iwontbecreative> elias : As I said I'm not familiar with the tool
20130713 23:27:14< iwontbecreative> Thanks
20130713 23:27:27< elias> yeah, and there isn't really documentation, so I suppose you just had to guess what to use :P
20130713 23:28:00< iwontbecreative> Yes
20130713 23:28:34< elias> i'm not even sure what uses the version without pre-processing... but maybe something like the binary WML from the addon server, that has to be parsed in different ways :/
20130713 23:30:26< iwontbecreative> elias : Pre-processing creates other bugs
20130713 23:31:01< iwontbecreative> But I suppose that is because as you said I parse /campaign/campaign_name/_main.cfg and not data/_main.cfg
20130713 23:35:23< iwontbecreative> elias : Although I don't really see how I could parse directly data/_main.cfg and loop for all campaigns.
20130713 23:38:26< elias> your example script should work... you'll just get all the campaigns
20130713 23:40:05< elias> then get the "define" attribute for each
20130713 23:40:27< elias> and then run parse_file again, with the defines parameter set to that define
20130713 23:40:57< elias> so basically, parse _main.cfg once to get the list of campaigns, and then again for each campaign, with the campaign's define set
20130713 23:41:32< elias> anyway, need to go to bed now or I'll be late for church :P
20130713 23:42:09< iwontbecreative> Ok, thanks for your help, see you :)
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