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20130723 00:50:11< shadowm> jamit, AI0867: What is the issue with r55813?
20130723 00:50:34< AI0867> const config& snapshot = cfg.child("snapshot");
20130723 00:50:47< shadowm> That isn't in the diff.
20130723 00:50:52< AI0867> then use of snapshot["foo"] without checking if that child actually existed
20130723 00:51:09< AI0867> yeah, the potential null-pointing config was already there
20130723 00:51:14< AI0867> you just used it without a check
20130723 00:51:50< shadowm> I don't get it. cfg.child() is supposed to return a default empty config if the requested node doesn't exist, right?
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20130723 00:57:52< shadowm> AI0867: The fact that it's in 1.10 doesn't mean it's not "worth the effort". Pay close attention to the 1.10.6+dev changelog.
20130723 00:58:18< shadowm> I don't know why Ivanovic hasn't really moved forward in regards to 1.10.7.
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20130723 01:05:34< AI0867> shadowm: the bug is fixed. Refactoring things so this won't happen again isn't worth the effort as that has already been done in master
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20130723 01:08:47< shadowm> Refactoring things that are depended upon by other things is generally the worst thing you can do in a stable branch.
20130723 01:28:31< AI0867> exactly
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20130723 02:05:49< jamit> shadowm: config::child() returns a default invalid config if the requested node doesn't exist. It's config::child_or_empty() that returns an empty config in that case.
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20130723 04:06:38< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 71caf699758e / data/tools/wmllint: wmllint: extend Elvish Hunter's Windows sys.argv fix to cover more cases http://git.io/TdSeAg
20130723 04:06:40< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 8efffbe86f1a / data/tools/wmllint: wmllint: activate wildcard globbing on Windows http://git.io/Fn5_vA
20130723 04:06:41< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master f6fca7c4e71f / data/tools/wmllint: remove '~' in [textdomain] and [binary_path] paths http://git.io/6cKlZA
20130723 04:06:44< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.4-lint 1c9c1ebacdcc / data/tools/wmllint: fix use of "or" with "in lines[i]" in is_main detection http://git.io/5bJa5g
20130723 04:06:46< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.4-lint 5b9fce458966 / data/tools/wmllint: preserve sound_miss value with SOUND:HIT_AND_MISS macro http://git.io/TAaycQ
20130723 04:06:47< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.4-lint 17352f53f490 / data/tools/wmllint: try to match sound's time key with a [frame] begin time http://git.io/v-Jblw
20130723 04:06:50< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.4-lint 75cdf81c6ee2 / changelog: update changelog with wmllint bugfixes http://git.io/ynDgsQ
20130723 04:06:51< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.4-lint ee2419b1744b / changelog: created new "1.4.7+postdev" section for branch-specific wmllint changes http://git.io/SoCVew
20130723 04:07:27< irker852> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:1.4 dafc9a559794 / changelog: update changelog with wmllint bugfixes http://git.io/jvddWQ
20130723 04:08:51< groggy> finally done with 1.4 wmllint
20130723 04:09:08< groggy> id intended a quick in-and-out, but the deeper i looked, the more bugs i found
20130723 04:10:21< groggy> "surprised by bugs", so to speak
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20130723 04:11:40< groggy> now that ive done all this work, i want people to be able to find it
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20130723 04:12:51< groggy> will anyone object if i edit forum posts that link to 1.4 wmllint on gna.org to point to github? speak now...
20130723 04:13:30< vultraz> question: how come you don't just copy the wmllint file from 1.4-lint to a new file on master called 'wmllint-1.4'? 
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20130723 04:15:24< groggy> well i dont want data/tools to get too crowded
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20130723 04:17:31< groggy> but i'm willing to do that if there are no objections
20130723 04:18:15< vultraz> don't think 1 more file will make much different, either way
20130723 04:18:58< groggy> one vote yes...
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20130723 04:26:05< AI0867> groggy: maybe some of the stuff you fixed is present in master too
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20130723 04:41:06< groggy> ai0867: no i really do think most of it is specific to 1.4
20130723 04:41:53< groggy> especially all the stuff related to "boucmanizing" unit animations
20130723 04:42:23< groggy> tbh the old syntax looked easier in some ways
20130723 04:47:59< shadowm> What would the old syntax be?
20130723 04:50:51< groggy> well, the attack animation was inside [attack] so there was no need for [attack_filter] (or [filter_attack] as it is now)
20130723 04:52:08< groggy> and a [sound] tag could contain both the hit sound and a sound_miss
20130723 04:52:27< groggy> instead of two frames, one if you hit, one if you miss
20130723 04:53:39< groggy> of course animation was a lot simpler back then with just a few frames
20130723 04:54:05< groggy> no standing or idle animations, or direction-facing variants
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20130723 12:05:25< lipkab> Whoah.
20130723 12:05:38< lipkab> What's that thing in generators/yamg?
20130723 12:06:08< lipkab> I thought Wesnoth is written in C++.
20130723 12:09:11< lipkab> fabi_: Would you mind if I went through that code to C++-ify it a bit?
20130723 12:09:45< fabi_> lipkab: No, please do so. I noticed that it is quite pure c-ish.
20130723 12:10:00< lipkab> Ok.
20130723 12:14:26< shadowm> lipkab: We will never forget your valiant effort. You'll be sorely missed.
20130723 12:15:17< Soliton> please also fix whitespace errors. (in a separate commit)
20130723 12:15:37< Soliton> was this code reviewed in any way before commit?
20130723 12:20:54< Soliton> fabi_: 1) please do not introduce a huge pile of new code in a commit reorganizing files. 2) give others the chance to review huge pile of new code before commit to master. unless there was any effort in such a direction i missed?
20130723 12:24:28< vultraz> NOTE TO SELF: update XCode proj file with new files
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20130723 13:01:15< lipkab> Whoops.
20130723 13:01:22< lipkab> We have a case here.
20130723 13:01:43< lipkab> This YAMG stuff includes BSD licensed code.
20130723 13:02:00< lipkab> Someone call the lawyer!!!
20130723 13:02:05< bumbadadabum> Wait...
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20130723 13:04:20< bumbadadabum> lipkab: I remember there was some discussion about licensing in that thred
20130723 13:08:55< lipkab> "Add an hex to the heap" :)
20130723 13:09:06< lipkab> France, je t'aime.
20130723 13:09:36< fabi_> lipkab: where?
20130723 13:10:13< lipkab> fabi_: ya_mapgen.cpp, at the end.
20130723 13:14:38< fabi_> lipkab: Oh yes. It is not even needed for the generator. Just remove it while you do the c++ conversion.
20130723 13:14:51< lipkab> Alright.
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20130723 14:00:40< Soliton> fabi_: could you dignify me with a response?
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20130723 14:55:50< irker199> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master 9aee90e11336 / src/generators/yamg/ (ya_mapgen.cpp ya_mapgen.hpp): C++ style structs. http://git.io/Vd-hGA
20130723 14:55:52< irker199> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master d2f7e31958f8 / .gitignore: Ignore QtCreator generated project files. http://git.io/OnINiw
20130723 14:55:54< irker199> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master 4c2714925e9a / src/generators/yamg/ (ya_mapgen.cpp ya_mapgen.hpp): Change a French identifier to English. http://git.io/VqPY3A
20130723 14:55:56< irker199> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master ac7ebd9efc27 / src/generators/yamg/ (8 files): Convert camelcase identifiers to Wesnoth style. http://git.io/-7tCGA
20130723 14:55:58< irker199> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master 5a8ba13e078d / src/generators/yamg/ (yamg_hex.cpp yamg_hexheap.cpp yamg_params.cpp): Use initializer lists in constructors. http://git.io/gjeNTw
20130723 14:56:00< irker199> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master 0c973bcf400e / src/generators/yamg/ (ya_mapgen.cpp ya_mapgen.hpp): Remove redundant code. http://git.io/ZKCh2g
20130723 14:56:02< irker199> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master 879068807d00 / src/generators/yamg/ya_mapgen.hpp: ya_mapgen: make data members private. http://git.io/XGMe0g
20130723 14:56:04< irker199> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master 2c2560665e09 / src/generators/yamg/ (ya_mapgen.cpp yamg_params.cpp yamg_params.hpp): Better data member names. http://git.io/VBYs9w
20130723 14:57:25< lipkab> ^ I'm still far from ready, of course.
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20130723 15:23:53< Soliton> what's the advantage of that (ugly) initializer list format? needing to edit 2 lines when adding a member at the first position instead of the last?
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20130723 15:29:33< lipkab> Soliton: I like that format and I find it easy to read. It's not something unprecedented in the Wesnoth source code, by the way.
20130723 15:41:29< Soliton> yeah, i've seen it before and wondered why one would do such a thing. didn't occur to me that it could be considered more readable but i see now.
20130723 15:46:25< vultraz> fabi_: what happened to the "Copy selected coordinates to system keyboard" editor function?
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20130723 16:44:28< vultraz> er
20130723 16:44:32< vultraz> system clipboard
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20130723 20:46:15< lipkab> Does anybody here recall talking with Knythmare about a Mac bug related to fullscreen and SDL?
20130723 20:46:46< _8680_> I do.
20130723 20:46:50< lipkab> He says such a thing here, but I can't find anything in the logs: https://gna.org/bugs/?20979
20130723 20:47:28< lipkab> _8680_: Can you give me an approximate date?
20130723 20:53:01< _8680_> lipkab: Approximately, 2013-06-18 18:10:47–18:42:21 UTC.
20130723 20:53:34< _8680_> Oh, in #wesnoth.
20130723 20:54:10< lipkab> _8680_: Thankies.
20130723 20:59:44< Soliton> point him to http://wiki.libsdl.org/moin.fcg/MigrationGuide and ask for patches...
20130723 21:01:22< Soliton> might be useful to make a general "transition to sdl 2.0" FR so we can point other reports there and mark as duplicate or whatever.
20130723 21:01:41< lipkab> Heh heh.
20130723 21:01:54< lipkab> Is SDL 2 even released?
20130723 21:02:48< Soliton> i think on major platforms it is.
20130723 21:03:58< lipkab> "SDL 2.0 is now in Release Candidate status! " <- Apparently not.
20130723 21:04:16< lipkab> If there website is to be taken seriously.
20130723 21:04:19< lipkab> *their
20130723 21:05:13< Soliton> ah, indeed,
20130723 21:06:12< Soliton> either way that "bug report" is not useful.
20130723 21:07:13< mcwise> ah
20130723 21:07:18< mcwise> I remember which one you talk about
20130723 21:07:24< mcwise> wasn't it marked at being not useful already?
20130723 21:09:25< Soliton> just commented on so far.
20130723 21:11:11< lipkab> Does anyone know what SDL version the Mac build uses?
20130723 21:11:43< lipkab> If it's the latest in 1.2.x, I would close this as upstream issue right away.
20130723 21:13:26< Soliton> i think making that FR for the transition is best. it'll come anyway.
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20130723 21:49:53< mcwise> I have seen the abbreviation FR several times now, so what does it meaN?
20130723 21:50:03< bumbadadabum> Feature Request
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20130723 21:50:44< mcwise> thanks bumbadadabum 
20130723 21:51:42< mcwise> so how uptodate is this site: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding
20130723 21:51:43< mcwise> ?
20130723 21:51:57< bumbadadabum> "This page was last modified on 18 June 2013, at 19:24."
20130723 21:52:51< zookeeper> i don't think anyone really expends much effort on keeping it up-to-date
20130723 21:53:37< mcwise> bumbadadabum, that doesn't tell me anything as I don't have an overview of the current state (besides bug reports)
20130723 21:53:51< bumbadadabum> me neither, sorry
20130723 21:53:52< bumbadadabum> :[
20130723 21:54:13< mcwise> it's no problem :P
20130723 21:54:30< mcwise> thanks zookeeper so I will stick to bug reports
20130723 21:55:38< zookeeper> mcwise, well you can also just ask here if you want to pick something off that page.
20130723 21:56:07< mcwise> yeah but the first step would be to validate if some point there is still relevant
20130723 21:57:07< mcwise> I only browsed the bug reports, checked the wiki and hang in here for the last few days, I want to get a picture of the project and it's current state first :)
20130723 21:57:34< bumbadadabum> mcwise: I'm not sure if it's getting worked on, but the first point in the AI list is still a problem
20130723 21:58:34< mcwise> yeah, I wanted to stay away from lua for starters... I read the documentation and I didn't really grasped the concept
20130723 21:58:45< bumbadadabum> lua isn't too hard
20130723 21:59:14< _8680_> mcwise: If you know C++ already, Lua should be easy to learn.
20130723 21:59:32< mcwise> I know C++ fine
20130723 21:59:45< mcwise> I just never dealt with scripting languages so far
20130723 22:00:08< bumbadadabum> How I learned my (very limited) lua: just look at the lua used
20130723 22:00:19< mcwise> yeah I tried that
20130723 22:00:54< mcwise> I found that site http://lua-users.org/wiki/SampleCode
20130723 22:01:14< bumbadadabum> Try looking at the wesnoth lua files
20130723 22:01:27< bumbadadabum> the wesnoth lua is pretty simple
20130723 22:01:30< mcwise> yeah, good idea I will check it out
20130723 22:03:33< bumbadadabum> But there is enough to do in the C++ department
20130723 22:04:05< mcwise> like for example?
20130723 22:04:20< bumbadadabum> I don't know much about the wesnoth C++ code
20130723 22:04:45< Soliton> move to sdl 2.0.
20130723 22:06:56< mcwise> I thought 2.0 is not yet released
20130723 22:08:47< Soliton> API's not gonna change much if at all until release.
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20130723 22:12:42< mcwise> what has to be done to make wesnoth running with sdl 2.0?
20130723 22:13:31< mcwise> I figure it involves steps like those: download sdl, integrate it in wesnoth (with cmake I guess), check if a used method has changed, check if it still compiles and if not make it compile again
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20130723 22:16:06< lipkab> mcwise: It doesn't compile, I can confirm that.
20130723 22:16:33< lipkab> AFAIK mordante got it to compile already, but it didn't run nicely.
20130723 22:17:13< mcwise> I see. Well I can't find a changelog of SDL on their site, is there any?
20130723 22:17:58< lipkab> http://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/log
20130723 22:18:34< lipkab> I guess there's a less detailed and more readable one somewhere as well.
20130723 22:19:17< mcwise> yep, click "Shortlog" right next to it
20130723 22:19:18< mcwise> thanks!
20130723 22:20:51< lipkab> That's not really what I was thinking about.
20130723 22:21:03< lipkab> It's still a full commit history.
20130723 22:21:39< mcwise> Yeah you're right, it looked good at a first glance.
20130723 22:22:16< mcwise> I'm not familiar with updating an external library, but it seems a hard process
20130723 22:22:29< mcwise> I think you have to go method for method and check if it changed
20130723 22:23:39< mcwise> Would it be a good idea if one would introduce an own file "WesnothSDL.*" to encapsulate every call to SDL?
20130723 22:23:55< mcwise> you would have to change only this one file if SDL changes
20130723 22:24:22< lipkab> Which happens about once every 5 years.
20130723 22:25:00< lipkab> Moreover, the API changes are usually not limited to renaming functions.
20130723 22:25:09< mcwise> So, clearly no :P
20130723 22:25:17< lipkab> Yeah.
20130723 22:26:52< lipkab> mcwise: Since you apparently haven't worked with Wesnoth nor SDL, you should probably leave this task to someone more experienced...
20130723 22:27:21< mcwise> I wasn't going to take the task. I was just throwing my ideas into the room.
20130723 22:29:14< mcwise> Well maybe there is an easier task which requires more time than knowledge of the current Wesnoth project lying around?
20130723 22:29:35< lipkab> mcwise: Well, well.
20130723 22:29:53< lipkab> ...there's generators/yamg
20130723 22:30:06< lipkab> Which is practically C code atm...
20130723 22:30:27< lipkab> ...if someone converted it to proper C++, that would be really cool.
20130723 22:30:45< mcwise> Can you tell me where I can find the related files?
20130723 22:31:11< lipkab> I think I've already told you.
20130723 22:31:22< lipkab> src/generators/yamg
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20130723 22:31:43< lipkab> Hi Elvish_Hunter!
20130723 22:31:44< mcwise> oh I didn't get it
20130723 22:31:45< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20130723 22:31:47< mcwise> thanks
20130723 22:32:02< Elvish_Hunter> Hi lipkab!
20130723 22:32:03< mcwise> hi there
20130723 22:32:10< irker199> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth-old:master a72d1faca548 / / (3 files in 2 dirs): TSG: fixed 'lich found' message appearing twice in scenario 5 http://git.io/mluXqg
20130723 22:32:12< irker199> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth-old:master 095b7b772feb / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: [allow_recruit], [disallow_recruit]: added a less cryptic error message if type= http://git.io/wuTXKw
20130723 22:35:18< Elvish_Hunter> Hmm, an interesting question from the logs...
20130723 22:35:21< Elvish_Hunter> 20130721 17:00:15< shadowm> Elvish_Hunter: What are the exact implications of your series of commits for units that (for compatibility with 1.10) use ellipse=misc/ellipse and ellipse=misc/ellipse-nozoc ?
20130723 22:37:01< Elvish_Hunter> @shadowmaster: it's quite simple. ellipse=misc/ellipse is the default value, so there is no point in specifying it.
20130723 22:37:52< Elvish_Hunter> However, I noticed that, when a unit's .cfg contains that line, changing its ellipse inside the [unit] tag does not work. In that case, changing it with a [object] works instead.
20130723 22:38:17< Elvish_Hunter> So, nothing should change for ellipse=misc/ellipse.
20130723 22:39:25< Elvish_Hunter> A bit more complex the question for ellipse=misc/ellipse-nozoc: with my modification, the engine checks if a unit emits a ZoC, and if not uses the nozoc- variation of the specified ellipse.
20130723 22:40:59< Elvish_Hunter> It's clear that, in this case, if a level 0 unit has ellipse=misc/ellipse-nozoc specified into its cfg, the game will end up looking for a misc/ellipse-nozoc-nozoc set. So, that line should be removed.
20130723 22:41:55< Elvish_Hunter> Do we need a wmllint rule for that, or stating this into the wiki and the WML changes topic is enough?
20130723 22:45:37< Soliton> sounds like nothing can go wrong with a wmllint rule so why not?
20130723 22:50:00< Elvish_Hunter> OK, Soliton. I'll try to implement it by myself; in case that wmllint's code confuses me, I'll fall back on bugging ESR :-P
20130723 22:50:22< mcwise> sorry to ask so many questions, but what is a wmllint rule?
20130723 22:53:35< _8680_> mcwise: wmllint is a lint utility [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lint_%28software%29] for WML, Wesnoth’s custom configuration/scripting language.
20130723 22:54:39< Elvish_Hunter> mcwise: We have a Python script called wmllint, that automatically tries to update the WML of a campaign or add-on. A rule serves the purpose of telling the script what should be changed and how.
20130723 22:54:54< _8680_> Though I have not worked on wmllint myself, my educated guess is that a wmllint rule is a function(?) for finding a certain obsolete construct or anti-pattern.
20130723 22:55:43< _8680_> ^^ Elvish_Hunter is a developer and I am not; so use that answer instead.
20130723 22:56:22< mcwise> Seems quite advanced! Nice
20130723 22:56:26< mcwise> thanks for the information
20130723 22:56:51< Elvish_Hunter> Bear in mind, however, that I never implemented a wmllint rule so far; that's why I said "if it confuses me, I'll fall back on bugging ESR".
20130723 22:57:12< Elvish_Hunter> But there is a first time for everything, I guess...
20130723 22:57:22< mcwise> it's basically a script, that tries to update every usage of something that changed to its newer version?
20130723 22:57:40< mcwise> so ideally you would have to run it once
20130723 23:00:11< Elvish_Hunter> Basically yes. However, it performs a lot of other sanity checks, as well as spellchecking, so it's worth learning how to run it - and run it on your add-ons before releasing a new version of them.
20130723 23:00:58 * lipkab have never used wmllint
20130723 23:00:58< mcwise> Oh right I forgot about new content like add-ons. Well it sounds quite useful.
20130723 23:01:13< lipkab> Although I guess it'd choke on TDF anyways :/
20130723 23:03:26< Elvish_Hunter> lipkab: well, it's worth a try anyway. The fact that sometimes it chokes forces you to write a cleaner WML - or to use its directives.
20130723 23:03:57< lipkab> Maybe... one day.
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