--- Log opened Fri Jul 26 00:00:28 2013
20130726 00:02:50< AI0867> do we have a minimum required version for our python tools?
20130726 00:03:25< AI0867> that is, can I use python2.7 features?
20130726 00:03:40< AI0867> I doubt that 2.6 features will cause trouble
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20130726 00:31:38< shadowm> Ivanovic: Should I keep pestering you or may I expect some kind of natural response?
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20130726 01:30:30< irker322> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 45611d8fa629 / data/ai/micro_ais/ais/mai_messenger_escort_engine.lua: Messenger Micro AI: move duplicate code into a function http://git.io/h-1SIg
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20130726 07:45:41< groggy> ai0867: in fact that's the commit i'm most interested in seeing backported, because it affects the actual converted output, not just log messages
20130726 07:48:10< groggy> anonymissimus: ok. i do remember that your deathcheck fix is applicable to 1.10 however
20130726 07:48:31< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master c471ec48477c / data/tools/wmllint: sys.exit(1) if globbing matches no files/directories http://git.io/Rcu7kA
20130726 07:51:13< groggy> if i see anything else, i'll bring it up if i have doubts/questions
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20130726 07:55:23< groggy> anonymissimus: thx for the kind words about windows support.
20130726 07:57:03< groggy> if youre still interested in the newlines issue, remember that the only way i found was to import the io module and switch to that for file open/write/close
20130726 07:57:36< groggy> not sure if you want to go that way
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20130726 09:23:14< irker322> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd df0f40ff5aa1 / src/umcd/num_digits.hpp: Remove the useless file num_digits. http://git.io/TtNC9Q
20130726 09:23:16< irker322> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 0e4d403ab407 / / (3 files in 3 dirs): Rename error/warning_packet to error/warning. Packet is implicit. http://git.io/v_R0Fw
20130726 09:23:18< irker322> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 7245e9928514 / src/umcd/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Modify the logging to elegantly trace function calls (using the macro BOOST_CURR http://git.io/VYz38Q
20130726 09:23:20< irker322> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 3eb3de9ce161 / src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add OTL header (database access library). http://git.io/pmJrmw
20130726 09:23:22< irker322> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd e6fd9c31cd33 / utils/ (campaign_server/database/create_database.sql umcd/database/create_database.sql): Rename the database directory to umcd instead of campaign_server. http://git.io/y01Lbw
20130726 09:23:24< irker322> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 011e6dd39551 / data/umcd/database/create_database.sql utils/umcd/database/create_database.sql: Move the database schema in the data repository. http://git.io/781gpA
20130726 09:23:26< irker322> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd f0eb1de6a226 / data/umcd/database/create_database.sql: Change smallint to int. http://git.io/Fm-f3g
20130726 09:23:28< irker322> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 149293099401 / .travis.yml: Add unixodbc-dev to be installed in travis file. http://git.io/M1ptnw
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20130726 10:46:14< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master ffb34c2ffa78 / data/tools/wmllint: Windows sys.argv again: sys.exit(1) when too complicated, and deliver a looooooo http://git.io/Q9XHQw
20130726 10:46:16< irker322> wesnoth: Eric S. Raymond wesnoth-old:master 8b0bce5d1534 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: copy original wmllint 1.4 into data/tools http://git.io/oYx_Nw
20130726 10:46:18< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 2fc24bf8aaf2 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: backport: removal of files on Windows before --revert and conversion file rename http://git.io/cvkLcA
20130726 10:46:20< irker322> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth-old:master db1debd6c00d / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: wmllint, wmlscope and wmlindent: fixed bug caused by Windows' command prompt app http://git.io/HgzfSw
20130726 10:46:22< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 44c19c9c8092 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: wmllint: update old "portraits/core/" paths to "portraits/" http://git.io/qoMMkQ
20130726 10:46:24< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master f6812162d20e / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: insert rstrip() to fix wmllint-crashing assumption that unit files are using Uni http://git.io/8QS5Fg
20130726 10:46:26< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master d80845e1b4a7 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: Correct "AMLA TOUGH" to "AMLA_TOUGH" http://git.io/huAfIA
20130726 10:46:28< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master ec6a49a06b77 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: print second half of "duplicated attack" warning to stderr also http://git.io/yH0e6g
20130726 10:46:30< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 978245b1fb37 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: clean up get_hit_sound messages http://git.io/Yey95A
20130726 10:46:32< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 77eb8cc8d15b / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: upgrade old {UNIT} macro to 1.4's {LOYAL_UNIT} http://git.io/FUEyEg
20130726 10:46:34< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master aeb558419d15 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: give line number of DEFENSE_ANIM too, when warning that get_hit_sound is also pr http://git.io/g56k-A
20130726 10:46:36< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 3663fb29149c / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: incorporate old image_defensive into DEFENSE_ANIM creation and discard, or warn  http://git.io/PXPB0Q
20130726 10:46:38< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 3d060974a852 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: check for presence of [defend] animation with DEFENSE_ANIM http://git.io/YLnjHQ
20130726 10:46:40< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 5962eef8ea14 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: move old top-level files to _main.cfg http://git.io/5uD_4A
20130726 10:46:42< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 7bee47a956e5 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: wmllint: activate wildcard globbing on Windows http://git.io/-fUZbg
20130726 10:46:44< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 79b8a85a5e3f / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: check that there are actually arguments before running Windows block on argument http://git.io/Uh3kTQ
20130726 10:46:46< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 5af7601abd43 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: skip further operations if the value is zero-length http://git.io/3LwqAg
20130726 10:46:48< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master ff7dcfd8d889 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: animation conversion: add in_variation to list of variables defined at start as  http://git.io/Bx22pA
20130726 10:46:50< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 577d650122e7 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: fix typo that prevented firststrike from being upconverted http://git.io/fqr1rg
20130726 10:46:52< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 614d7f886181 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: enable wmllint to convert more old abilities and specials http://git.io/cq-vtQ
20130726 10:46:54< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master fdb4b8b30346 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: bugfix newline problems in output http://git.io/h57t-g
20130726 10:46:56< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 411ec9d88245 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: bugfix insertion of attack's description= key http://git.io/IxxECw
20130726 10:46:58< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 29c9931c05e8 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: fix the lifting of attack [frame]s to [attack_anim] http://git.io/76kbTQ
20130726 10:47:00< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 4bfcb7fe6679 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: move upconversion of ancient abilities ahead of lifting [frame] to fix problem o http://git.io/F4OhUA
20130726 10:47:02< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 6c2802c9527d / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: fix use of "or" with "in lines[i]" in is_main detection http://git.io/zvsKDQ
20130726 10:47:04< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 4f55c4d69705 / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: preserve sound_miss value with SOUND:HIT_AND_MISS macro http://git.io/MlpHDw
20130726 10:47:06< irker322> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 5a0e9a8dd93a / data/tools/wmllint-1.4: try to match sound's time key with a [frame] begin time http://git.io/-j6dKQ
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20130726 11:19:57< AI0867> Ivanovic: which version of python do you have on pandora?
20130726 11:20:13< AI0867> I can't find much information on the angstrom distro
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20130726 15:38:28< irker972> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 7d9cae09beaf / data/tools/ (wmlindent wmllint): Some python syntax updates for the WML tools http://git.io/WgWZVQ
20130726 15:38:30< irker972> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master d394f27afbde / data/tools/ (wesnoth/wmliterator.py wesnoth/wmltools.py wmlscope): Some python syntax updates for the WML tools http://git.io/b_qg1Q
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20130726 18:18:42< Ivanovic> AI0867: do you plan on bringing back python to the game itself?
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20130726 18:19:19< Ivanovic> AI0867: currently wesnoth itself, when run on the pandora, does not utilize python as far as i know
20130726 18:19:44< Ivanovic> besides the pandora is using some snapshot of angstrom, not the 'head' version
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20130726 19:29:26< Trademark> hello folks, I'm currently coding a minimalist sql parser/ cpp generator that read a schema and create the cpp/hpp files associated, so if during the development, you modify the schema, the class are updated too and instead of a runtime error, you get a compile time error. Do you think this is useful? Too much? Not in the scope of my project?
20130726 19:30:40< mcwise> so for example you're transforming the columns into attributes etc?
20130726 19:30:51< lipkab> Trademark: ???
20130726 19:31:15< lipkab> Why would you do that?
20130726 19:32:04< lipkab> It sounds like a fun, but I don't see how is that related to you GSoC.
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20130726 19:46:55< AI0867> Ivanovic: I don't, I was just wondering about our one supported platform that's older than debian stable
20130726 19:47:11< AI0867> it's possible someone would want to develop on it
20130726 20:06:15< Trademark> mcwise, exactly
20130726 20:06:40< Trademark> lipkab, because by doing so you don't repeat yourself
20130726 20:07:10< Trademark> lipkab, it's related because my GSoC is a database application
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20130726 20:08:09< Trademark> when you have the schema + your classes (probably POD), you represent your database data twice. That's why in other language framework such as hibernate exists.
20130726 20:08:11< mcwise> Trademark, I actually really like the idea, but I don't know enough about GSoC to estimate if it is the right way
20130726 20:08:15< Trademark> (hibernate is in java)
20130726 20:09:20< Trademark> mcwise, well, I code a server with Boost.Asio that will be able to manipulate UMC (user made content), and information about these UMC are stored in a database.
20130726 20:25:57< lipkab> Trademark: I think campaignd was hardly touched in the past few years, and I doubt that umcd will get much more care.
20130726 20:26:16< lipkab> So, chances that this thing will become a fancy but rarely used feature.
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20130726 20:29:05< Trademark> lipkab, you're right but if, in each design decision, I say to myself that UMCD will be a relic just after I finish it, it's not motivating, and even quite depressing.
20130726 20:29:21< Trademark> furthermore it's also a reusable tool that I create for future project (mine or others).
20130726 20:30:15< lipkab> Trademark: Well, alright. Just don't forget about the priorities... ;)
20130726 20:30:30< Trademark> lipkab, yes, that's my problem I guess
20130726 20:32:05< lipkab> Trademark: Is this thing essential for proceeding with your plans?
20130726 20:32:25< lipkab> If not, you might postpone until after umcd itself is more or less done.
20130726 20:33:55< Trademark> well, it's a feature that integrate really well with my plans – and that's a feature that's mainly useful during development time, so there are only two solutions : continue or drop
20130726 20:34:22< lipkab> Ah, I see.
20130726 20:34:37< Trademark> another personal pros' is also that it's an occasion to use Boost.spirit
20130726 20:34:38< mcwise> alright good luck Trademark I gotta go
20130726 20:34:51< Trademark> mcwise, thanks ! goodbye
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20130726 20:37:24< lipkab> Trademark: Well, I don't know how are you doing with your project so after all I can't judge if it's worth the time.
20130726 20:37:54< lipkab> I think this decision is mostly up to you.
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20130726 21:03:30< Trademark> lipkab, that's the hardest part for inexperienced dev ;)
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20130726 21:31:36-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.7 planned for 10 August 2013 | current repo: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old (Please read the dev-ml for the latest status!) | 193 bugs, 334 feature requests, 27 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20130726 21:32:02< Ivanovic> and who turned on topic protection?
20130726 21:32:07< Ivanovic> was there a good reason for this?
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20130726 21:45:58< AI0867> I believe it's on by default
20130726 21:46:24< AI0867> but possibly not here
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