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Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20130729 05:15:53-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Fri Jul 26 21:31:36 2013] 20130729 05:15:53[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20130729 05:15:53[ _8680_ ] [ Espreon ] [ lobby ] [ shadowm_desktop] 20130729 05:15:53[ AI0867 ] [ esr ] [ loonycyborg] [ shikadibot ] 20130729 05:15:53[ apoi ] [ exciton ] [ LordNasty ] [ Smar ] 20130729 05:15:53[ artisticdude_iOS] [ fabi_ ] [ Mara_Jade ] [ Soliton ] 20130729 05:15:53[ balrog ] [ Gallaecio ] [ mattsc ] [ timotei_ ] 20130729 05:15:53[ cjhopman ] [ Ingmar ] [ melinath ] [ ToBeFree ] 20130729 05:15:53[ Crendgrim ] [ Ivanovic ] [ molgrum ] [ Upth ] 20130729 05:15:53[ crimson_penguin ] [ iwaim_ ] [ nurupo ] [ Upthorn ] 20130729 05:15:53[ DHost ] [ jamit ] [ oldtopman ] [ Vandal ] 20130729 05:15:53[ ejls ] [ janebot ] [ rei4dan ] [ vultraz ] 20130729 05:15:53[ elias ] [ Jetrel_new] [ Rhonda ] [ wesbot ] 20130729 05:15:53[ EliDupree_ ] [ knotwork ] [ Samual ] [ {V} ] 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[~Generic@d24-150-128-68.home.cgocable.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 17:10:32< Generic> Hello 20130729 17:37:06< Soliton> greetings. 20130729 17:37:37-!- mindblank [~mindblank@c-68-84-132-114.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20130729 17:45:38-!- Phunter [42c3b88c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.195.184.140] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 17:47:00-!- H-Hour_ [~H-Hour@cpc7-sgyl35-2-0-cust428.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 17:49:50-!- H-Hour [~H-Hour@cpc7-sgyl35-2-0-cust428.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20130729 17:51:33-!- Octalot [~noct@host86-139-242-78.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20130729 18:08:55-!- d-fib [b8a48f22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.164.143.34] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 18:09:28-!- boucman_work [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20130729 18:29:52-!- trademark 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SO I've come up with an idea. I need your thought on it - do you think something like it would be worthy of mainline? 20130729 19:18:31-!- Samuel is now known as A_GUy 20130729 19:18:35-!- A_GUy is now known as A_Guy 20130729 19:18:51< A_Guy> Hold on, lagging 20130729 19:19:09< mcwise> wat 20130729 19:19:15< mcwise> A_Guy, do you know PK? 20130729 19:19:24< A_Guy> Yes. 20130729 19:19:27< mcwise> ah 20130729 19:19:28< A_Guy> I work with him. 20130729 19:19:35< mcwise> he was always talking about "A Guy" 20130729 19:19:37< mcwise> and I though it is 20130729 19:19:40< mcwise> just a guy 20130729 19:19:44< mcwise> but it's you! :D 20130729 19:20:49< A_Guy> Indeed. 20130729 19:21:49< A_Guy> Anyway, my idea. 20130729 19:22:30< A_Guy> Some time in the future of Wesnoth, before the creation of the new suns, the kingdom decides that as it has grown stronger, it would be in its best interest to get rid of "undesirables." 20130729 19:23:08< A_Guy> Groups which have long plagued the kingdom. Some outlawed clans, and pretty much every orc. 20130729 19:23:27< A_Guy> You play an officer tasked with overseeing some of these battles. 20130729 19:23:58< A_Guy> After having seen the actions of the kingdom first-hand, he starts getting second thoughts... 20130729 19:24:28< A_Guy> ...but is eventually ambushed by a group of undead and executed by a weapon with a unique property.' 20130729 19:25:07< A_Guy> Arises as a Death Knight, forced to serve the master until, with some help, he regains full autonomy and calls upon his former allies. 20130729 19:25:24< A_Guy> And throughout the rest of the campaign, he tries to right wrongs, blah blah blah. 20130729 19:26:03-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@x2f4285f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 19:28:02< A_Guy> Anyway, thoughts on the concept appreciated. 20130729 19:28:06-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@x2f4285f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Changing host] 20130729 19:28:06-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 19:28:40-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20130729 19:28:45< mcwise> I will read it later and post my thoughts ;) 20130729 19:30:17-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20130729 19:48:14< zookeeper> A_Guy, uh, sounds like you could make a good campaign off of that. 20130729 19:49:39 * zookeeper would like to have the time and motivation to write the remaining 95% of his orc campaign 20130729 19:50:58< A_Guy> So the concept is workable. Thanks, Zookeeper. 20130729 19:51:07< zookeeper> well 20130729 19:52:41< zookeeper> i'd maybe suggest coming up with something other than "getting rid of undesirables" as the setup 20130729 19:55:04-!- Kostic [~marko@85.202.113.243] has quit [Quit: Kostic] 20130729 19:56:04< zookeeper> suppressing a rebellion or invading an autonomous province or city-state or whatever might be less 20130729 19:56:32< mcwise> repetitous 20130729 19:56:40< zookeeper> arguably 20130729 19:58:19-!- mattsc [~mattsc@fw.hia.nrc.ca] has quit [Quit: Bye for now] 20130729 19:59:03-!- mattsc [~mattsc@fw.hia.nrc.ca] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 20:00:25-!- DJS162 [86753d32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.117.61.50] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 20:07:31< A_Guy> Okay, thanks. 20130729 20:07:59< bumbadadabum> It does seem a BIT generic 20130729 20:08:13< bumbadadabum> but if it's executed well, it might work out 20130729 20:09:31-!- Tetra [516ca1ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.108.161.238] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 20:12:40< A_Guy> Yeah, that's my biggest issue. 20130729 20:12:46< A_Guy> I want to make it non-generic but need a good setup. 20130729 20:12:50< A_Guy> That's just the prototype idea 20130729 20:13:02< Generic> why are you trying to make it non-me 20130729 20:13:03< Generic> :( 20130729 20:13:08< A_Guy> :D 20130729 20:13:27< Tetra> I am intrigued by this game. 20130729 20:13:36< Generic> hi tetra 20130729 20:13:41< Tetra> Howdy. 20130729 20:14:00< bumbadadabum> A_Guy: Maybe focus more on his inner psyche 20130729 20:14:55< bumbadadabum> turn everything in a figurative battle against himself 20130729 20:17:15< A_Guy> Well, for now, for the inner battle, all I have planned is the lich controlling the main hero to force him to make a move if he does nothing for a few turns 20130729 20:17:36< A_Guy> Presumably I can get away with it because sitting still for a few turns indicates that the player has no intention of winning anyway 20130729 20:20:45-!- Tetra [516ca1ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.108.161.238] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20130729 20:34:25-!- Phunter [42c3b88c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.195.184.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20130729 20:41:58-!- lipkab [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 20:55:23-!- lipkab [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20130729 20:56:08-!- lipkab [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 20:57:14-!- bumbadadabum [~bumba@d155109.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 20130729 21:00:30< DJS162> Reddit brought me here 20130729 21:00:40-!- mcwise [~mcwise@colubris-intranet.scc.kit.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20130729 21:01:04-!- lipkab [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20130729 21:03:19-!- H-Hour_ [~H-Hour@cpc7-sgyl35-2-0-cust428.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20130729 21:03:37< A_Guy> I would also hope to expand a bit more on orcish ideology if possible. 20130729 21:03:46-!- Ewidar [59560d76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.86.13.118] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 21:10:06-!- lipkab [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 21:11:15< A_Guy> Would it be a good idea to work on this in 1.11? 20130729 21:14:46< zookeeper> i don't think there's much if any compatibility-breaking changes in 1.11 (?), so whatever you're most comfortable working in i guess. although 1.11 has some new and neat AI things in it. 20130729 21:18:32< A_Guy> Uh-huh. I'll be using that, then. 20130729 21:31:28< A_Guy> Not that I plan to, but just out of curiosity, is it possible to alter game_config with the [+game_config] tag? 20130729 21:32:13-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20130729 21:32:26< zookeeper> A_Guy, no 20130729 21:32:35< A_Guy> Okay, thanks. 20130729 21:32:41< zookeeper> not from an add-on anyway 20130729 21:32:48-!- janebot [~Gambot@unaffiliated/gambit/bot/gambot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 21:32:50< zookeeper> ...and/or not when i last checked :p 20130729 21:33:13-!- EliDupree [~quassel@66-189-34-122.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20130729 21:33:39-!- EliDupree [~quassel@66-189-34-122.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 21:33:45< A_Guy> So, would you say orcs are warlike by nature, or because of limited resources? 20130729 21:34:01< zookeeper> by nature 20130729 21:34:13< A_Guy> Uh-huh. 20130729 21:34:58< A_Guy> What do you think would differentiate a sovereign strong enough to assemble the Great Horde from your typical warlord? 20130729 21:36:31< zookeeper> the backing of the orcish council at least, and simply being good/strong enough to prevent power struggles making a mess of everything 20130729 21:38:08< A_Guy> Uh-huh. 20130729 21:38:11-!- mindblank [~mindblank@c-68-84-132-114.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 21:39:28-!- exciton_ [chuck-the-@89.208.169.104] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 21:41:14< A_Guy> So if I wanted the AI to not move units within attacking range of the enemy, I could store the attacking range of all enemies and add those locations to [avoid], IIRC? 20130729 21:41:19< A_Guy> I don't know if the [avoid] tag still works. 20130729 21:42:24-!- exciton [chuck-the-@89.208.169.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20130729 21:43:56-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@ip68-3-135-148.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 21:45:32-!- IvanTheSpaceBike [56118729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.17.135.41] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 21:46:41< IvanTheSpaceBike> reddit brought me here 20130729 21:46:50-!- IvanTheSpaceBike [56118729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.17.135.41] has quit [Client Quit] 20130729 21:47:22< vultraz> ...well ok then 20130729 21:53:35-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@ip68-3-135-148.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20130729 21:55:48-!- flix [~flix@91-66-31-1-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130729 21:58:55-!- DJS162 [86753d32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.117.61.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20130729 22:04:29-!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@84.32.80.212] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20130729 22:04:38< A_Guy> If only I didn't suck at mapmaking. 20130729 22:04:43< A_Guy> Oh, well, plenty of room for balance later. 20130729 22:11:19< mattsc> A_Guy: yes, the [avoid] tag still works, at least with the default AI. 20130729 22:11:41< A_Guy> So not with the experimental AI? 20130729 22:12:33< mattsc> Most of the ExpAI is the same as the default, although there might be a village grabbing CA or something that ignores it, I don't remember off the top of my head. 20130729 22:14:36< mattsc> Just checked out the code, and there are a few candidate actions that do not take [avoid] into account. 20130729 22:15:20< mattsc> castle switching (for the leader), village grabbing, poison spreading and healer placement. 20130729 22:15:23-!- Ewidar [59560d76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.86.13.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20130729 22:15:44< A_Guy> Okay, thanks. 20130729 22:15:56< A_Guy> So the AI can use healers intelligently now? 20130729 22:16:34< mattsc> A_Guy: if mostly what you're interested in is the different recruitment, you could just use the Micro AI for that, rather than the whole ExpAI. 20130729 22:16:53< mattsc> Healers: Well, semi-intelligently 20130729 22:17:20< mattsc> You can check that out in the 'Healer Support' MAI test scenario. 20130729 22:19:05< A_Guy> Uh-huh, thanks. 20130729 22:30:29-!- lipkab [~lipk@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Quit: Setting sails, coming home] 20130729 22:43:37-!- d-fib [b8a48f22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.164.143.34] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20130729 22:50:41-!- mattsc [~mattsc@fw.hia.nrc.ca] has quit [Quit: Bye for now] 20130729 22:52:00-!- A_Guy [~chatzilla@50.14.231.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130729 22:56:38-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@ip68-3-135-148.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 22:57:42-!- mcwise [~mcwise@p54A3B93A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 22:58:32< mcwise> A_Guy gone? 20130729 22:58:34< mcwise> :/ 20130729 22:58:54< _8680_> mcwise: Yes. 20130729 22:59:03< mcwise> oh well 20130729 23:13:26-!- vultraz_laptop [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20130729 23:14:27-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20130729 23:41:48-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20130729 23:49:47-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 23:50:56-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130729 23:52:00-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130729 23:52:11-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130729 23:53:32-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Tue Jul 30 00:00:41 2013