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20130813 00:12:25< gfgtdf> ok i removed the msvc compile fixes from the pull request.
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20130813 01:06:40< irker986> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master ab4a58bd1691 / projectfiles/CodeLite/wesnoth.project: Fix CodeLite project file to work with GDB. http://git.io/bi_fiQ
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20130813 01:14:54< irker986> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth-old:master ea2cbaa2174f / projectfiles/CodeLite/wesnoth.project: Update CodeLite project file. http://git.io/QXBJTA
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20130813 01:35:42< irker986> wesnoth: Adrián Chaves Fernández (Gallaecio) wesnoth-old:master ce77900176de / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/2_Tutorial.cfg: Removed a trailing parenthesis at the end of a string that made no sense there. http://git.io/1SKIqw
20130813 01:35:44< irker986> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 2ddf4486778e / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/2_Tutorial.cfg: Merge pull request #59 from Gallaecio/i18n http://git.io/MTxjLQ
20130813 01:36:57< irker986> wesnoth: Adrián Chaves Fernández (Gallaecio) wesnoth-old:master ab171b98d510 / po/ (18 files in 18 dirs): [Galician Translation] Review of the tutorial, affecting other modules as well. http://git.io/GWXcXA
20130813 01:36:59< irker986> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master c2e230b0a6c6 / po/ (18 files in 18 dirs): Merge pull request #60 from Gallaecio/gl http://git.io/6Es20g
20130813 01:37:18< irker986> wesnoth: Adrián Chaves Fernández (Gallaecio) wesnoth-old:1.10 ecca08a074c5 / po/ (18 files in 18 dirs): [Galician Translation] Review of the tutorial, affecting other modules as well. http://git.io/nHO4Kw
20130813 01:37:20< irker986> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:1.10 1ed9d98cf65e / po/ (18 files in 18 dirs): Merge pull request #61 from Gallaecio/1.10-gl http://git.io/gNw1LQ
20130813 01:47:05< shadowm> jamit: Hi, what's up?
20130813 01:48:50< shadowm> You wouldn't happen to know why Wesnoth is crashing very early during initialization (before the version banner even appears), would you?
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20130813 02:11:38< jamit> shadowm: I think it's a problem with static initializations that does not occur on my computer. I'll get something to fix that tonight.
20130813 02:12:20< shadowm> Yes, I did notice the crash takes place before the final main() is called.
20130813 02:12:21< jamit> Is there readily-available documentation about requirements for compilers with regard to initializations?
20130813 02:12:48< shadowm> Not as far as I know, although issues like that have cropped up in the past, I think.
20130813 02:14:32< gfgtdf> as far as i know it is undefined in wich order things are initializied if they are in differnt files.
20130813 02:15:01< shadowm> IIRC the point is that one can't make assumptions about the order of static initialization of objects A and B in source_a.o and source_b.o and so they should not refer to each other and yeah, what gfgtdf just said.
20130813 02:18:17< AI0867> didn't someone already bisect the issue?
20130813 02:18:29< AI0867> that would help with identifying it
20130813 02:18:54< jamit> Yes, and the bisection is what I found odd. The crash originated before I split the files.
20130813 02:19:17< jamit> Well, that's handy because there is really only one suspect, but still odd.
20130813 02:20:27< jamit> Well, here's my main question at the moment: are a class' static members guaranteed to be initialized before any static objects of that class? Regardless of what files they are in?
20130813 02:21:13< AI0867> I don't know, but I wouldn't count on it
20130813 02:21:30< jamit> :(
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20130813 02:21:53< shadowm> Unfortunately, I'm not a C++ lawyer and I don't know of any around here.
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20130813 04:31:52< vultraz> BTW, someone should create new help images for the help section on orbs
20130813 04:33:25< vultraz> Also the ones in Hitpoints and Experience (old orbs and grass bg), and Movement (1.8 terrain and old orbs)
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20130813 04:35:12< vultraz> also, this
20130813 04:35:17< vultraz> 20130813 13:34:34 error display: could not open image 'terrain/forest/tropical.png'
20130813 04:35:19< vultraz> 20130813 13:34:42 error display: could not open image 'terrain/bridge/stonebridge-nesw.png'
20130813 04:35:33< vultraz> in Bridge and Forest
20130813 04:35:43< vultraz> note to self: fix later
20130813 04:45:42< irker986> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master 132b93bb3e05 / src/game_events/pump.cpp: Merge show_wml_errors() and show_wml_message(). http://git.io/DNRkhQ
20130813 04:45:44< irker986> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master b4b957128c99 / src/game_events/ (action_wml.cpp pump.cpp pump.hpp): Collect some parts of pump.cpp into a new class (context). http://git.io/7Cc8eQ
20130813 04:45:46< irker986> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master cab1c823b8c2 / src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Refactor static_wml_actions as class wml_action. http://git.io/vquxAA
20130813 04:46:06< jamit> Gallaecio_, AI0867, anonymissimus, Ivanovic, vultraz, shadowm: That theoretically could fix the seg fault. Anyone around to test & verify?
20130813 04:47:18 * vultraz goes to build
20130813 04:47:43< shadowm>  Yes.
20130813 04:48:23< AI0867> building
20130813 04:48:40< shadowm> jamit: It works for me.
20130813 04:48:54< shadowm> At least, it doesn't crash on startup anymore.
20130813 04:49:14< jamit> An improvement at least. :)
20130813 04:49:18< AI0867> seems to work
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20130813 04:50:52< jamit> Compilers are like DMs -- if you are not precise enough with your Wishes, they find some way to really mess it up for you.
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20130813 05:02:35< vultraz_laptop> jamit: wesnoth launches now
20130813 05:12:21< irker986> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master c6655fdecc6d / data/core/help.cfg: Fixed paths to stonebridge and tropical forest icons in their respective help to http://git.io/cWM2cQ
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20130813 13:21:17< lipkab> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32091&start=270#p558312
20130813 13:21:45< lipkab> It would be fun to reply to Ranger by dropping my answer in his post :P
20130813 13:21:58< bumbadadabum> lipkab: That would be mod abuse
20130813 13:22:06< bumbadadabum> which is quite fun indeed
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20130813 14:18:37< thunderstruck> Soliton: Sockets used in mp::connect are unique for every connecting user, right?
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20130813 14:39:24< Soliton> thunderstruck: the client is just connected to the server. maybe you can be more specific about what code you're talking about?
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20130813 14:41:03< thunderstruck> Soliton: Well, I need to store the information about connected users somewhere in the carryover so that I could use that information when mp::connect is displayed in between scenarios.
20130813 14:41:39< thunderstruck> I figured out that I need to know only player's id (username/login) and socket (network::connection).
20130813 14:42:04< thunderstruck> And I was thinking to use a std::map, because there are string utils to convert map to config attr.
20130813 14:42:21< thunderstruck> However, I just realized that players' ids are unique..
20130813 14:42:46< thunderstruck> (I was thinking to use socket as key in the map
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20130813 14:55:50< Soliton> thunderstruck: are the sockets really filled with meaningful values? as i said the client is just connected to the server. there is no network connection to any other client.
20130813 14:56:19< Soliton> and yes the username is unique for one server.
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20130813 14:58:01< Soliton> thunderstruck: there used to be a simple server implementation on the client side so you did not need a server to play mp. that code is long gone but there might be remenants of it there.
20130813 14:58:34< thunderstruck> Soliton: Hmm.. the user socket is used in mp::connect::process_network_error.
20130813 14:59:00< thunderstruck> Basically, it determines which users needs to be removed.
20130813 15:00:23< Soliton> "// Likewise if we are not a server"... obsolete code.
20130813 15:01:56< thunderstruck> Soliton: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/blob/master/src/multiplayer_connect.cpp#L1527
20130813 15:02:21< thunderstruck> But this doesn't look obsolete to me.
20130813 15:03:27< Soliton> i've just posted the comment a few lines above so yeah i've seen it.
20130813 15:04:48< Soliton> as you can see the first if will always hit since we're never a server.
20130813 15:05:33< Soliton> presumably the users_ list can be replaced by just the info for the current connection to the server.
20130813 15:06:34< Soliton> unless we use the name of "connected" players for something. that part would still be needed.
20130813 15:08:36< thunderstruck> I would need a player's name since it is used to communicate between connect and wait screens.
20130813 15:09:33< thunderstruck> However, it could be a connection info/id as well, if it would be possible to ask server "what's the name of this connection?"
20130813 15:10:27< Soliton> that's none of the client's business. :-)
20130813 15:11:24< thunderstruck> It is - connect and wait screens display usernames of all players connected to the game.
20130813 15:11:25< Soliton> and not really what you want to know anyway afaict. (what with reconnects etc.)
20130813 15:12:20< vultraz> wesbot: !seen mattsc
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20130813 15:12:28< Soliton> fine, connection to the server means a socket handler/id/whatever. that is an implementation detail that should be of no concern to the client.
20130813 15:13:12< Soliton> we've already established that usernames are just fine for your purpose, no?
20130813 15:13:16< thunderstruck> Yes.
20130813 15:13:39< Soliton> good, good.
20130813 15:15:49< thunderstruck> Soliton: so just to confirm, I can remove most of the code in mp::connect::process_network_error and network::connection from connected_user?
20130813 15:16:10< Soliton> yep.
20130813 15:16:44< thunderstruck> Good. Thanks.
20130813 15:17:22< Soliton> anything that asks for network::is_server() in client only code (src/multiplayer*) is likely obsolete.
20130813 15:17:32< Soliton> well, has parts that are obsolete.
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20130813 18:57:25< anonymissimus> jamit: works
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20130813 18:58:35< anonymissimus> gfgtdf: I'm afraid there are zero devs using MSVC 2010 (me 2008) but I assume those are small fixes anyway ?
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20130813 19:01:08< anonymissimus> (so, make a pull request and I can have a look)
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20130813 22:09:28< stikonas> I have a question to native speakers... Is "Ae" in Aethenwood and Aelin pronounced the same?
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20130813 22:24:43< zookeeper> stikonas, considering i just pulled the latter out of a hat, i guess i should know :J yes, i think they'd be
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