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20130815 00:44:58< gfgtdf> can anyone merge my pull request?
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20130815 08:07:05< irker978> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 21c50ccb2e14 / data/tools/wmllint: create magic comment for persistent macro character recognition, "wmllint: who" http://git.io/ARGITg
20130815 08:07:07< irker978> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 56be5f2f6b0c / data/tools/wmllint: recognize characters from "wmllint: who" macros and append to present http://git.io/U2R4qw
20130815 08:07:09< irker978> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master ab18d941175f / data/tools/wmllint: magic comment to remove items from whopairs dictionary http://git.io/KL0XBA
20130815 08:07:11< irker978> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master a8a65c25b294 / data/tools/wmllint: add explanation about how to use "wmllint: who" magic comments to introduction http://git.io/KaCEPw
20130815 08:07:13< irker978> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 76134b5bfe5e / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (18 files in 5 dirs): Legend_of_Wesmere: convert main characters and key loyals of LoW to 'wmllint: wh http://git.io/e0K83A
20130815 08:07:15< irker978> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth-old:master 17e2c93efdd6 / data/campaigns/Liberty/utils/utils.cfg: Liberty utils.cfg: typo fix: born -> borne http://git.io/R-k9Mg
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20130815 09:43:48< shadowm> Does anyone here have a spare gmail account to which wesnoth.org has never sent email?
20130815 09:44:28< _8680_> shadowm: I think I have one.
20130815 09:45:35< shadowm> Make sure wesnoth.org has never sent email to it, that you've never added filters for it, and register a forum account with it and tell me whether you see the activation email or not.
20130815 09:46:11< shadowm> Also tell me the name of the account you register so that I may match it in the mailer logs.
20130815 09:46:31< shadowm> And delete it after we are done, assuming you don't want to keep it.
20130815 09:46:37< shadowm> The forum account, not the email.
20130815 09:47:16< _8680_> I’ll use “8573”.
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20130815 09:49:06< _8680_> I suppose having an unprivileged account could be useful.
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20130815 10:05:07< _8680_> “Your account has been created. However, this board requires account activation, an activation key has been sent to the e-mail address you provided. Please check your e-mail for further information.” — I have not received the email.
20130815 10:05:19< shadowm> Checked the Spam box?
20130815 10:05:35< shadowm> The mailer says the operation succeeded, here.
20130815 10:05:47< shadowm> Around 2013-08-15 10:03:07 CEST.
20130815 10:05:49< _8680_> Oh… yes, there it is, in Spam.
20130815 10:06:47< shadowm> Okay, so first Hotmail/WLM/Outlook/WhateverItsNameIsRightNow drops our emails, and now Gmail sends them to Spam.
20130815 10:06:50< _8680_> I recently checked my email in the Gmail Web interface, and it showed the Spam inbox without prompting, but this time it hid it.
20130815 10:06:52< shadowm> Great.
20130815 10:07:33< shadowm> The web interface hides folders/labels that aren't used too often, beneath a drop down thing..
20130815 10:08:01< _8680_> Yes, that’s where it was. I was briefly confused because it wasn’t hidden half an hour ago.
20130815 10:08:05< shadowm> I think. I don't use the web interface very often, myself.
20130815 10:09:31< shadowm> Erm.
20130815 10:09:45< shadowm> Hi gmail, why are you sending support emails to Spam?
20130815 10:10:11< shadowm> I mean, aside from the fact that I've only got one seemingly legitimate support email in Spam.
20130815 10:10:28< shadowm> The remaining hundred emails being actual spam.
20130815 10:10:39< _8680_> (I’m only using the Gmail Web interface because I still haven’t gotten around to getting back to my newer laptop, so I’m on my old laptop, and I don’t want to wait half a minute for a GUI email client to open, and I don’t want to bother installing and setting up a console client.)
20130815 10:10:48< shadowm> "Why is this message in Spam? We've found that lots of messages from asheviere.wesnoth.org are spam."
20130815 10:10:58< shadowm> Okay?
20130815 10:11:09< shadowm> I'm a little worried here.
20130815 10:12:19< _8680_> Maybe there’s still a compromised blog or whatever it was lying around?
20130815 10:12:31< shadowm> I believe we got rid of that.
20130815 10:13:01< shadowm> I... beleive. Fuck if I know for sure. I am just the forum administrator. :/
20130815 10:13:04< shadowm> *believe
20130815 10:13:09< _8680_> Shall I mark this email as “Not spam”?
20130815 10:14:21< shadowm> Yes, please.
20130815 10:14:38< shadowm> Although I doubt it'll make a difference, it doesn't hurt either way.
20130815 10:14:58< _8680_> Done.
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20130815 10:19:39< _8680_> Is there anything you’d like me to do while I’m logged in to the forums as 8573?
20130815 10:20:01< shadowm> No.
20130815 10:24:07< thunderstruck> If I start a wesnothd from a terminal, how should I stop it? ctrl+z?
20130815 10:25:19< shadowm> Ctrl+C.
20130815 10:26:07< thunderstruck> shadowm: " info server: SIGINT caught, exiting without cleanup immediately." - doesn't sound good.
20130815 10:26:18< shadowm> Nah, it's okay.
20130815 10:26:57< shadowm> The SIGINT handler calls exit() IIRC, which will result in object destructors and registered atexit handlers being invoked.
20130815 10:28:18< shadowm> We make sure to wrap SDL surfaces and other Cish objects in proper C++ types with destructors, so that shouldn't be a problem.
20130815 10:31:17< thunderstruck> shadowm: Thanks
20130815 10:31:47< thunderstruck> Maybe you also know how to stop as wesnothd daemon? "service wesnothd stop" doesn't work for me.
20130815 10:31:54< thunderstruck> stop wesnothd*
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20130815 10:32:32< shadowm> Unless you actually installed init scripts for wesnothd in /etc/init.d or whatever your init manager uses, yeah, that won't work.
20130815 10:34:19< shadowm> I don't think we provide any such ourselves, either. (Running wesnothd or campaignd as root is probably a terrible idea, and in production they run using a standard user account as opposed to a service account.)
20130815 10:34:33< shadowm> So... killall wesnothd would be the obvious solution.
20130815 10:34:46< thunderstruck> How "resource heavy" is this server? I am thinking just to leave the daemon running all the time, so I don't have to bother about starting it when I need it.
20130815 10:37:14< shadowm> An idle wesnothd I just started on my desktop has a resident set size of just approximately 4.3 MiB. Meanwhile, the 1.10 wesnothd instance on server.wesnoth.org is at 672 MiB atm.
20130815 10:37:33< shadowm> So it varies according to usage just like most other things.
20130815 10:38:16< thunderstruck> Ok. Seems this is a good enough solution for me.
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20130815 11:11:58< lipkab> shadowm: In my GMail account almost every "confirm registration" mail ends up in Spam.
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20130815 11:27:06< irker978> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master 1087439c97d2 / changelog src/game_events/action_wml.cpp src/team.hpp: Allowed [modify_side] to modify the scroll_to_leader key http://git.io/GgKa3A
20130815 11:27:09< irker978> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master 93fe69482fc3 / src/game_events/action_wml.cpp: Removed unused variable http://git.io/2dvbzA
20130815 11:27:12< irker978> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master 98c31764c5fd / src/team.hpp: Fixed a whitespace usage http://git.io/Br9mCw
20130815 11:27:15< irker978> wesnoth: lipk wesnoth-old:master faee03bbf032 / changelog src/game_events/action_wml.cpp src/team.hpp: Merge pull request #63 from Vultraz/master http://git.io/Tt27sQ
20130815 11:28:48< shadowm> lipkab: From forums@wesnoth.org, or in general?
20130815 11:29:40< lipkab> shadowm: In general.
20130815 11:29:58< shadowm> Is it a recent trend, or has it always been the case?
20130815 11:30:11< lipkab> IIRC it has always been so.
20130815 11:30:50< shadowm> Hm, okay. Not for me. Not that I register accounts in many places very often to begin with.
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20130815 11:44:59< bumbadadabum> I made a pull request for some updates to saurian animations and sound_utils.cfg
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20130815 12:11:40< shadowm> lipkab: Oh yeah, I wanted to ask you what's up with the large font for list element titles here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/wesnoth-mod-selection-dialog.png
20130815 12:17:20< lipkab> shadowm: To differentiate between title and description.
20130815 12:17:52< lipkab> That window decoration is horrible, by the way.
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20130815 12:20:35< shadowm> Okay, I am not sure if it's just my eyes or it's actually that way, but that seems pretty close to the dialog title label font size to me.
20130815 12:20:51< shadowm> Bold text didn't work?
20130815 12:21:25< shadowm> Or the inverse, making the description use a smaller font size than the regular one (see also: Add-ons Manager).
20130815 12:23:56< lipkab> shadowm: Maybe those could work; I don't think I tried any of them.
20130815 12:28:48< lipkab> shadowm: http://imagebin.org/267671
20130815 12:29:14< lipkab> Smaller text looks awful.
20130815 12:29:47< shadowm> Okay, wait, is that a horizontal scrollbar?
20130815 12:30:25< shadowm> Does the dialog lack a maximum width specifier or something?
20130815 12:30:47< lipkab> Yes.
20130815 12:31:03< shadowm> :\
20130815 12:31:12< lipkab> It used to have one.
20130815 12:31:28< shadowm> That's an even worse problem than the typeface.
20130815 12:32:07< lipkab> "The whole idea between GUI is to let the dialogs determine how much space they need"
20130815 12:32:16< lipkab> Or something like that.
20130815 12:32:25< lipkab> So I removed it.
20130815 12:32:45< shadowm> I have a vague idea of whom you are paraphrasing, but that notion is only valid within certain limits.
20130815 12:33:28< shadowm> In this particular case you are letting children widgets stretch the dialog according to their contents, which are arbitrary user-defined data in nature.
20130815 12:33:51< shadowm> So... someone could probably write a description that's long enough to make the dialog stretch horizontally across my 1920x1080 screen.
20130815 12:34:01< shadowm> There's a serious readability problem there.
20130815 12:34:15< shadowm> *long enough and lacking in line breaks
20130815 12:35:01< lipkab> Anyways.
20130815 12:35:05< shadowm> I really should propose putting together some GUI design guidelines to stop this insanity.
20130815 12:35:24< lipkab> That dialog will be removed "soon".
20130815 12:35:57< lipkab> ...so there's not much point in arguing over its design.
20130815 12:36:21< shadowm> I assume the concepts used in it will be transplanted into another dialog.
20130815 12:36:41< lipkab> No.
20130815 12:36:48< shadowm> ... Unless your intention is to remove the mods feature altogether, which I deem less likely than money raining over my house.
20130815 12:37:39< lipkab> shadowm: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=61664&mode=view
20130815 12:38:01< lipkab> There will be two separate mp screens.
20130815 12:38:25< shadowm> Okay, my first thought when looking at that is: where did the mod descriptions go?
20130815 12:38:46< lipkab> There's an universal description box under the minimap.
20130815 12:39:11< lipkab> It displays the description of the lastly selected item.
20130815 12:39:54< shadowm> Okay.
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20130815 16:20:38< grzywacz> hi
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20130815 16:41:12< grzywacz> any known crashes in image::locator::init_index() on the stable branch? :)
20130815 16:43:10< grzywacz> I've been getting either a straight crash in Rb_tree_insert_and_rebalance or an infinite loop in image::locator::init_index(). Like 3 games in a row today, always during recruitment.
20130815 16:44:54< grzywacz> Looks like multi-threaded unit invalidation or something?
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20130815 17:47:49< trademark_> does someone ever set up a mail server here (on Linux with postfix)?
20130815 17:58:03< Soliton> if you mean install a distro and leave everything at default then yes.
20130815 17:59:14< trademark_> no ^^'
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20130815 19:59:38< mordante> servus
20130815 20:24:22< grzywacz> hi
20130815 20:29:05< mordante> hi grzywacz 
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20130815 21:46:53< mordante> I'm off night
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