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20130817 07:29:03< irker062> wesnoth: Adrián Chaves Fernández (Gallaecio) wesnoth-old:master 665bdd4be441 / po/ (23 files in 23 dirs): [Galician Translation] Update http://git.io/S4CyOQ
20130817 07:29:03< irker062> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master 46279090454b / po/ (23 files in 23 dirs): Merge pull request #65 from Gallaecio/gl http://git.io/Le8JLQ
20130817 07:29:12< irker062> wesnoth: Adrián Chaves Fernández (Gallaecio) wesnoth-old:1.10 6365cfbbb898 / po/ (21 files in 21 dirs): [Galician Translation] Update http://git.io/FlKzXw
20130817 07:29:14< irker062> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:1.10 9633ca3dd416 / po/ (21 files in 21 dirs): Merge pull request #66 from Gallaecio/1.10-gl http://git.io/1iaChg
20130817 07:30:21< Gallaecio> Cool.
20130817 07:30:37< Gallaecio> I’m done with changes for this stable release :)
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20130817 09:34:12-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.10.7 and 1.11.6 planned for this weekend | current repo: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old (Please read the dev-ml for the latest status!) | 0 bugs, 0 feature requests, 0 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20130817 09:35:11< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, elias, Espreon, esr, fabi, loonycyborg, shadowm_desktop, Soliton, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: ready for 1.10.7 and 1.11.6?
20130817 09:35:45< boucman> ok here
20130817 09:38:50< Espreon> Nah, I gotta update l10n-track in 1.10.x
20130817 09:38:53< Espreon> Hold on...
20130817 09:39:14< zookeeper> i guess i could commit the new DiD bigmap...
20130817 09:40:26< zookeeper> there might have been a few changes i still wanted to make to the journey markers but it's not like i can't do that later.
20130817 09:43:21< shadowm> What happened with the Boost.Asio-related crash?
20130817 09:43:33< irker062> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:1.10 21cf051bebaf / l10n-spec: We're using git now. http://git.io/DsCmuA
20130817 09:43:35< irker062> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:1.10 418133a42053 / l10n-track: Updated l10n-track. http://git.io/L0Ri2Q
20130817 09:44:11< Espreon> Ivanovic: OK, I'm good.
20130817 09:44:26< Ivanovic> shadowm: i can't reproduce it on my system over here in neu-isenburg
20130817 09:47:11< zookeeper> err. ok, i've committed a change locally, now how do i need to push it to avoid the annoying extraneous "merge branch master" commit?
20130817 09:47:51< irker062> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:1.10 bf32e952372d / l10n-spec: Updated a comment. http://git.io/ZzihqA
20130817 09:48:21< Espreon> zookeeper: Always pull with "git pull --rebase"
20130817 09:48:30< Espreon> I think running that should fix it for you...
20130817 09:55:05< boucman> zookeeper: and run "gitk --all" before pushing to check everything is the way you want before pushing
20130817 09:55:39< zookeeper> nope; tortoise
20130817 09:55:56< boucman> i'm sure there is an equialent tool to look at the commit tree :P
20130817 09:56:59 * zookeeper crosses fingers
20130817 09:58:56< irker062> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth-old:master 9b13a182e6b3 / / (17 files in 6 dirs): New bigmap and journey markers for DiD. http://git.io/5SnE5w
20130817 09:59:18< zookeeper> yay
20130817 09:59:23< Espreon> Huzzah
20130817 10:02:05< zookeeper> ok, i'm done
20130817 10:08:28< Ivanovic> great
20130817 10:08:47< Ivanovic> i am currently running utils/wesnoth-optipng on master
20130817 10:09:05< Ivanovic> and building 1.10 on my laptop to ensure that it does not crash there due to boost asio either
20130817 10:11:28< zookeeper> i guess the obsolete translation overlays for the old bigmaps are automatically cleaned out when you run po-update or similar?
20130817 10:12:22< Espreon> Nope.
20130817 10:12:35< Ivanovic> no, they are not automagically removed
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20130817 10:17:06< zookeeper> well... who will take care of it then? :>
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20130817 10:17:28 * zookeeper will be afk for a bit and will only be back briefly
20130817 10:29:53< Ivanovic> zookeeper: maybe Espreon will...
20130817 10:31:49< Espreon> Nah.
20130817 10:41:03< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:master 4167b54d91c7 / / (40 files in 16 dirs): applied utils/wesnoth-optipng http://git.io/roOUxg
20130817 10:44:13< Ivanovic> okay, i fear i might have to revert the optipng commit
20130817 10:44:26< Espreon> Sigh.
20130817 10:44:27< Ivanovic> the script did not execute the image pixel by pixel comparison...
20130817 10:44:34< Espreon> Oh noez...
20130817 10:44:38< Ivanovic> AI0867: can you help me reverting 4167b54d91c7 ?
20130817 10:44:55< Ivanovic> Espreon: considering the issues we had in the past with recompressed images i fear it is required
20130817 10:45:07< Espreon> Indeed.
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20130817 10:47:28< mordante> servus
20130817 10:48:24< shadowm> Yay for hasty commits.
20130817 11:03:43< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20130817 11:03:49< Ivanovic> mordante: ready for a stable and a dev release?
20130817 11:04:17< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20130817 11:04:48< mordante> Ivanovic, yes I've nothing really urgent pending, hope to find some time today to finish stuff, but no bug fixes
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20130817 11:20:39< Ivanovic> okay, looks like i managed to rewrite git history removing my last commit
20130817 11:23:22< Ivanovic> great, someone broke the 1.10 stringreeze!
20130817 11:27:36< Ivanovic> hmmm, somehow the pofix run i had applied got lost/reverted...
20130817 11:28:25< shadowm> Exactly what did you do to "revert" your commit?
20130817 11:28:35< shadowm> I am guessing it wasn't git revert.
20130817 11:29:28< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:1.10 b95b3e376e75 / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/10_Speaking_with_the_Fishes.cfg: applied fix which was already applied to po files to cfg http://git.io/v0lW2g
20130817 11:29:37< Ivanovic> shadowm: it was no clean revert
20130817 11:29:57< Ivanovic> i found no way to make it accept that, so i did a reset locally and force pushed that
20130817 11:30:19< shadowm> What the fuck.
20130817 11:30:34< shadowm> Have you even _read_ the documentation on git push --force?
20130817 11:30:53< Ivanovic> yeah, the classical "this is evil" speach
20130817 11:31:12< shadowm> Bypassing sanity checks only because you aren't quite sure of what you are doing isn't any better.
20130817 11:31:14< Ivanovic> considering that revert did not accept anything i tried that was the only option i found using google which got the job done
20130817 11:35:47< Ivanovic> shadowm: and of course i first tried to rely on the "oh so great" github webinterface and found no option to somehow revert the commit either
20130817 11:36:00< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:1.10 3c84028aa952 / / (71 files in 29 dirs): pot-update (preparing for 1.10.7, no new/changed strings) http://git.io/b8ScNg
20130817 11:36:06< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:master d97bc773bded / / (1258 files in 31 dirs): pot-update (preparing for 1.11.6) http://git.io/zwdNEw
20130817 11:37:12< irker062> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd c1ac7d10c35e / src/tools/code_generator/sql2cpp/preprocessor_rule_helper.hpp: Debug node only when supported by the Boost version. http://git.io/OpA_cQ
20130817 11:40:22< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:1.10 f41ba804f331 / changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h: bump version to 1.10.7 http://git.io/t7llqg
20130817 11:45:29< Ivanovic> how to make good use of your ram? correct, build wesnoth with "make -j"
20130817 11:53:34< mordante> very brave I did it once by accident and soon my system became unresponsive
20130817 11:55:30< Gallaecio> Wow, I did not know you could use -j without a number…
20130817 11:55:54< Gallaecio> Sounds like fun,
20130817 11:57:34< mordante> yeah if you have a really heavy system and lots of RAM, when compiling C++ gcc loves to eat a lot of memory
20130817 11:58:25< shadowm> I have found that to be the case even when there's barely any RAM available.
20130817 11:58:50< shadowm> The hard disk drive gets to join in the fun then.
20130817 11:59:29< tomreyn> have you tried to switch it off and on again? or to use clang?
20130817 12:00:48< irker062> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd df4bb2267765 / src/tools/code_generator/sql2cpp/preprocessor_rule_helper.hpp: Use BOOST_SPIRIT_DEBUG_NODE only for Boost version > 1.44 http://git.io/VMPKOw
20130817 12:01:39< shadowm> I am sure I wouldn't have any problems with _this_ machine, though. 16 GiB of RAM compared to the measly 2 GiB I had back then.
20130817 12:04:50< shadowm> Okay, maybe I would.
20130817 12:05:04< shadowm> I see about 145 object files in my build dir.
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20130817 12:36:20< irker062> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 64c03f1cfb2c / src/umcd/umcd.cpp: Mark local functions as static. http://git.io/a3lX-g
20130817 12:36:22< irker062> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 012aaea9f43d / src/umcd/daemon.hpp: Mark a header function as inline. http://git.io/MLWuJw
20130817 12:36:24< irker062> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 1f0d812faefb / src/umcd/umcd_error.cpp: Remove a C-style-cast. http://git.io/oK71ZA
20130817 12:36:26< irker062> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:asio_umcd c298a50224bf / src/tools/code_generator/sql2cpp/ (sql/semantic_actions.cpp sql2cpp_options.cpp): Add missing includes. http://git.io/n50iuA
20130817 12:36:28< irker062> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 5c71310e1ba0 / src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add virtual destructors. http://git.io/R36JOQ
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20130817 13:31:29< Ivanovic> and yes, you are right in saying "running make -j will kill any system"!
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20130817 13:32:48< stikonas> Ivanovic: is it more likelu that 1.11.6 will be released tomorrow than today? (I'm leaving this evening)
20130817 13:33:07< Ivanovic> stikonas: it is likely to be released in some hours
20130817 13:33:11< stikonas> ok
20130817 13:33:12< Ivanovic> (some <=4)
20130817 13:38:43< mordante> that means it did it to yours?
20130817 13:42:34< stikonas> mordante: would you be able to merge my pull request (say in 5 minutes)?
20130817 13:42:42< stikonas> or should I ask somebody else
20130817 13:43:36< mordante> stikonas, I should be able to
20130817 13:47:29< irker062> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 4db9b309261e / src/generators/yamg/ya_mapgen.cpp: Remove a C-style-cast. http://git.io/hlIrwQ
20130817 13:49:58< stikonas> mordante: git://stikonas.eu/wesnoth.git
20130817 13:50:05< stikonas> can you pull from here
20130817 13:50:17< stikonas> there is just one commit updating localized images
20130817 13:53:39< mordante> stikonas, do you know the command I have to use to pull in your changes?
20130817 13:54:20< stikonas> git remote add stikonas git://stikonas.eu/wesnoth.git
20130817 13:54:31< stikonas> git fetch stikonas
20130817 13:54:40< stikonas> and then you can merge
20130817 13:54:55< stikonas> I thought github has interface to do this automatically
20130817 13:54:58< stikonas> but I'm not sure
20130817 13:55:09< stikonas> Unfortunately, I should leave in a few minutes
20130817 13:55:22< stikonas> if you can't do it now, then nevermind :)
20130817 13:55:28< stikonas> it can go to later version
20130817 13:56:19< mordante> git fetch stikonas fails with a hangup message :-(
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20130817 13:56:25< stikonas> ok, than nevermind...
20130817 13:56:39< stikonas> thanks anyway
20130817 13:56:58< mordante> will try a bit more, will tell you the result in the log
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20130817 14:00:13< mordante> stikonas, seems your server is down now, so won't succeed
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20130817 14:10:14< thunderstruck> mordante: Hello. I did a small improvement to the translations commit I told you last time. I think it is quite well tested and works fine. If you don't have time to try it, maybe you could just look at it to see if you agree with the approach?
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20130817 14:46:42< mordante> thunderstruck, I'm helping trademark_ with some CMake stuff, can look at your patch afterwards, do you have a link?
20130817 14:48:02< thunderstruck> mordante: http://git.io/3zYLig.
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20130817 15:01:46< Espreon> Undefined subroutine &main::raw2postring called at /home/espreon/bin/wmlxgettext line 75, <FILE> line 20.
20130817 15:01:49< Espreon> The hell?
20130817 15:01:52< Espreon> wmlxgettext failed
20130817 15:04:07< Espreon> AI0867: Help? Yeah, I tried updating some WesCamp stuff with "make" and this happened.
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20130817 15:14:46< irker062> wesnoth: ivanovic wesnoth-old: f41ba804f331 tagged as 1.10.7
20130817 15:15:55< mordante> thunderstruck, did stikonas write strftime.hpp?
20130817 15:16:35< mordante> or is that your nick?
20130817 15:18:23< Espreon> (hoo boy)
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20130817 15:18:34< thunderstruck> mordante: I believe you're confusing "Stikonas" with "Silinskas".
20130817 15:18:46< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:master 5708f34d229a / changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h: bumped version to 1.11.6 http://git.io/ZnAwhw
20130817 15:18:47< mordante> yeah that's why I asked
20130817 15:18:55< lipkab> Or Andrius with Andrius.
20130817 15:18:58< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:master 46bca8a22f7d / / (53 files in 28 dirs): pot-update, now really preparing for 1.11.6 http://git.io/uxdu2Q
20130817 15:19:04< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:1.10 4197e367e74d / changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h: post release version bump to 1.10.7+dev http://git.io/RLGapA
20130817 15:19:22< thunderstruck> lipkab: :)
20130817 15:19:36< mordante> but it wouldn't been the first time somebody copied the copyright header without setting the proper name ;-)
20130817 15:19:36< thunderstruck> So, yes, that's my name (not nick).
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20130817 15:24:08< mordante> thunderstruck, is there a reason time_locale_correct is exported in a header?
20130817 15:25:10< thunderstruck> mordante: https://github.com/thunders/wesnoth-old/commit/c8c7fdef6360a41b1d38a65987e735e5bd6eb081#L7R131
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20130817 15:27:19< mordante> ah forgot to add the new files in git while reviewing
20130817 15:28:22< mordante> personally I hate global variables, especially in this case since everybody can change the status
20130817 15:28:46< mordante> so I'd rather see a function to return the value
20130817 15:29:30< thunderstruck> Ok. I agree.
20130817 15:29:30< mordante> and rather also no statics in the .cpp file, they might be subject to the static initialisation fiasco
20130817 15:29:55< mordante> (and it wouldn't be the first time we hit that in Wesnoth)
20130817 15:30:53< thunderstruck> Isn't static init fiasco applicable only if those functions would be seen globally?
20130817 15:31:41< mordante> s/functions/objects
20130817 15:32:26< mordante> yes, but it is a good idea to always to it properly; just to avoid issues if somebody refactors the code
20130817 15:33:17< mordante> and this value is not zero-initialised...
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20130817 15:37:33< thunderstruck> Ok, I could remove static and put them in anonymous namespace.
20130817 15:40:03< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: you'll release both branches right now?
20130817 15:40:25< mordante> thunderstruck, the typical way is http://paste.debian.net/26264/
20130817 15:40:51< mordante> that way you can be sure the value is properly initialised
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20130817 15:43:56< thunderstruck> mordante: Ok, but doesn't this https://github.com/thunders/wesnoth-old/commit/c8c7fdef6360a41b1d38a65987e735e5bd6eb081#L4R68
20130817 15:44:09< thunderstruck> guarantee that time_locale_correct will be initialized?
20130817 15:56:08< mordante> thunderstruck, have a look at http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq/static-init-order.html and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5945897/what-is-dynamic-intialization-of-object-in-c
20130817 15:57:21< thunderstruck> mordante: Thanks, I will take a look. But I'm a bit confused why static init applies to "time_locale_correct" - it's not a static variable.
20130817 15:57:47< mordante> so I don't doubt the memory address is always valid, but I'm not convinced it will properly contain true...
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20130817 16:00:47< mordante> 'mordante> personally I hate global variables, especially in this case since everybody can change the status'
20130817 16:00:50< thunderstruck> mordante: Yes, I see the problem now.
20130817 16:01:54< thunderstruck> So is there anything else or should I commit after I fix issue with "time_locale_correct"?
20130817 16:04:32< mordante> I've a few more points, I still wonder whether the extra burden for translators is wanted, have you asked Ivanovic about it?
20130817 16:07:06< Espreon> ...
20130817 16:07:20< Espreon> I believe this has been discussed before.
20130817 16:07:24< Espreon> And it's hardly a burden.
20130817 16:07:46< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: correct
20130817 16:07:49< Espreon> They're names of days, months, abbreviations, and some formatting strings.
20130817 16:07:54< Ivanovic> 1.10.7 is done (just upload to sf.net missing)
20130817 16:08:01< Ivanovic> and 1.11.6 is currently in testing before tagging
20130817 16:08:10< loonycyborg> Tell me when both tags exist
20130817 16:08:11< thunderstruck> mordante: No, I didn't. I recall that only you were in doubt if this is actually a good thing.
20130817 16:08:13< vultraz> yay :D
20130817 16:08:49< Espreon> It's a wonderful thing.
20130817 16:09:02< Espreon> And the Scottish Gaelic translation maintainer will love this.
20130817 16:09:13< Espreon> Which makes it even more wonderful. Tee hee.
20130817 16:10:31< mordante> Espreon, and other maintainer may hate it or ask Ivanovic why they suddenly have to translate the month names
20130817 16:10:45< mordante> so it can't hurt to discuss it with Ivanovic 
20130817 16:11:15< thunderstruck> Ok. Ivanovic, if there is a problem with having translatable months, days etc?
20130817 16:11:19< thunderstruck> is there*
20130817 16:11:28< mordante> thunderstruck, maybe also explain why :-P
20130817 16:11:34< Ivanovic> thunderstruck: uhm, can't you use the system locales?
20130817 16:11:39< Ivanovic> those already provide this information!
20130817 16:11:51< Espreon> No.
20130817 16:11:54< thunderstruck> Ivanovic: There are no locales for some languages.
20130817 16:11:55< Espreon> NHot always.
20130817 16:11:58< Espreon> *Not
20130817 16:12:06< Espreon> And they sometimes don't provide all the info we need.
20130817 16:12:06< thunderstruck> Ivanovic: Also, some locales don't support am/pm designations.
20130817 16:12:11< Espreon> Like es_ES.
20130817 16:12:27< thunderstruck> Ivanovic: and this makes 12h clock broken for some users.
20130817 16:12:28< Ivanovic> adding this am/pm stuff was a bad idea!
20130817 16:12:35< Ivanovic> so just remove the 12h clock
20130817 16:12:37< Espreon> And yes, some Spanish-speaking countries do still use the 12-hour clock.
20130817 16:12:37< Ivanovic> ;)
20130817 16:12:39< Espreon> Ivanovic: NO.
20130817 16:13:32< Espreon> That is not even remotely funny.®
20130817 16:14:35< thunderstruck> Ivanovic: What about the fact that it's not mandatory to explain every single thing? Things won't get broken if no-one translates am/pm for some language.
20130817 16:14:44< thunderstruck> to translate every single*
20130817 16:15:16< thunderstruck> But if someone will do translate such things, some people will benefit.
20130817 16:15:29< thunderstruck> So it is only a win-win.
20130817 16:24:15< Espreon> Indeed!
20130817 16:24:56< Espreon> (Plus I prefer to be free of fools like Ulrich Drepper)
20130817 16:29:03< mordante> what does Ulrich Drepper have to do with this discussion and please refrain from slander here
20130817 16:30:22< loonycyborg> It's not slander but off-hand insult
20130817 16:31:38< Espreon> mordante: Oh, people like him like to refuse essential bits of information from entering the locale files.
20130817 16:31:54< Espreon> He's always refused to allow AM/PM data to exist in *_GB locales.
20130817 16:32:04< thunderstruck> mordante: I think Espreon is talking about this http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3768
20130817 16:32:17< Espreon> I think my insult is warranted.
20130817 16:32:23< Espreon> There's other evidence lying around.
20130817 16:39:26< mordante> no it's not just because somebody disagrees does not make him/her a fool
20130817 16:40:21< Espreon> ...
20130817 16:40:43< Espreon> I can't believe that's your repsonse.
20130817 16:40:56< mordante> and the bugreport (thunderstruck posted) is a bad example to call him a fool, he disagreed with the OP and closed the bug after a long time of no reponses
20130817 16:41:47< irker062> wesnoth: ivanovic wesnoth-old: 46bca8a22f7d tagged as 1.11.6
20130817 16:42:56< thunderstruck> mordante: I didn't call him a fool, nor did I say that I agree with Espreon's opinion on this.
20130817 16:43:09< thunderstruck> I just thought that link was relevant to discussion.
20130817 16:43:44< thunderstruck> And glibc is not perfect.
20130817 16:44:20< mordante> thunderstruck, I saw that, but wanted to reply to Espreon that that patch is not a good example
20130817 16:45:28< mordante> (and I'm aware of how controversial some of Ulrich Drepper's decisions were, but then I can list several other people)
20130817 16:45:43-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.10.7 and 1.11.6, announcing "soon" | current repo: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old (Please read the dev-ml for the latest status!) | 0 bugs, 0 feature requests, 0 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20130817 16:46:08< Espreon> Yes, that one is not the best byspel.
20130817 16:46:12< Ivanovic> esr: i guess you had no time lately to work on further git improvements for wesnoth, right?
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20130817 16:46:19< thunderstruck> Maybe let's back to the original discussion? So, what's wrong with having OPTIONAL translations?
20130817 16:46:22< Espreon> mordante: Shall I find a better one?
20130817 16:46:40< Espreon> I know I saw quite the byspel so many months ago.
20130817 16:46:53< Espreon> I recall seeing him dismiss the idea as idiotic.
20130817 16:47:02< Espreon> But that just might be my crappy memory trying to please me.
20130817 16:49:53< Ivanovic> thunderstruck: regarding translations of dates: then the majority of languages will need to translate the dates first to have them appear translated
20130817 16:49:56< Espreon> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3236#c1 ... Not the one I recalled, but you can see how he's biased against it.
20130817 16:49:58< Ivanovic> since they *currently* are shown correctly
20130817 16:50:10< Ivanovic> so it is not a pure win-win
20130817 16:50:39< Espreon> Ivanovic: We still draw from the locales.
20130817 16:50:52< Espreon> The translations are used if:
20130817 16:51:00< Espreon> 1. The locale doesn't provide the requested info
20130817 16:51:07< Espreon> 2. The locale is not available
20130817 16:51:45< Ivanovic> okay, then it will indeed be strange for translators since they will translate something which they can't see ingame and test (especially problematic for formatting strings!)
20130817 16:51:47< Espreon> And honestly, I think most people here are biased against it.
20130817 16:51:49< thunderstruck> Ivanovic: My patch provides only a backup option.
20130817 16:51:58< loonycyborg> ok, so both tags exist now
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20130817 16:52:19< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: correct
20130817 16:52:22< loonycyborg> Meaning I can start building :P
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20130817 16:54:19< mordante> Espreon, no need, I just object against calling people names (also do not agree with Ulrich Drepper calling people names)
20130817 16:54:35< irker062> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth-old:master 7e4d2aef19fd / changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h: post release version bump to 1.11.6+dev http://git.io/nBnFAA
20130817 16:54:50< Espreon> mordante: Very well.
20130817 16:55:47< thunderstruck> Ivanovic: I think it is stranger to not see AM/PM designation at all.
20130817 16:55:59< Espreon> It is indeed very strange.
20130817 16:56:09< Espreon> As a native user, I can attest to that.
20130817 16:58:25< AI0867> Espreon: are you using an ancient version of wmlxgettext?
20130817 16:58:40< Espreon> AI0867: I don't think so.
20130817 16:58:49< AI0867> the trunk version doesn't have that function anymore, nor does it use it
20130817 16:58:52< Espreon> Hmm.
20130817 16:59:01< Espreon> Maybe one my links is outdated or something.
20130817 16:59:06< Espreon> I'll look into it when I get back.
20130817 16:59:10< Espreon> Thanks for the suggestion.
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20130817 17:04:31< Espreon> I'd love to stick around and chat, but I have to prepare to leave.
20130817 17:04:39< Espreon> Goodbye.
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20130817 17:12:14< mordante> bye Espreon 
20130817 17:23:48< trademark_> in the CMakeLists.txt, line 307, there are options to prevent g++ warning. I can't find these lines in the scons file, why?
20130817 17:36:52< AI0867> probably because whoever added them used cmake and didn't think to touch other build systems?
20130817 17:39:00< trademark_> hmm, ok, then my new question is: "Is there a proper way to add specific compilation option (for a specific compiler and project) in cmake ?".
20130817 17:39:37< trademark_> and as a bonus question, why do we use both scons and cmake? It's heavier to maintain.
20130817 17:44:18< irker062> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth-old:master 1816c8e1b63f / projectfiles/Xcode/Info.plist: Bumped XCode projfile version string http://git.io/ED1joQ
20130817 18:05:45< mordante> trademark_, best ask loonycyborg about scons
20130817 18:06:34< mordante> AI0867, trademark_ the warnings were added to CMake since I added pedantic compilation there and I don't expect anybody but me using the option
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20130817 18:24:38< trademark_> mordante, if scons have no pedantic compilation, is there a reason to add this flag?
20130817 18:25:05< trademark_> (Nevertheless, I'd like to have an answer to the bonus question.)
20130817 18:25:06< mordante> trademark_, probably not
20130817 18:25:17< trademark_> it saves some time then :-)
20130817 18:25:48< mordante> at some point we used autotools and were looking at something to replace it
20130817 18:26:14< mordante> so we started to test with scons and cmake and there was never a real evaluation so we got stuck with both of them
20130817 18:26:47< mordante> and as long both are maintained I don't see that change
20130817 18:30:27< trademark_> do you agree that it's a lose of time (even if not a big) to maintain both? And just to know, why did you drop autotools, what are the features added by cmake/scons ?
20130817 18:31:47< mordante> of course, but somehow projects get started and not followed through :-(
20130817 18:31:53 * mordante looks at git
20130817 18:33:16< mordante> there were some issues with Autotools, not being able to do something (can't recall the details)
20130817 18:33:57< trademark_> ok ok
20130817 18:33:58< mordante> in the end I discovered it was not an Autotools issue, but some dirty hacks in the source code
20130817 18:34:08< trademark_> ha
20130817 18:34:08< mordante> it ran into some linker issues
20130817 18:45:32< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: windows installers are uploaded
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20130817 19:01:06< irker062> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:trademark c1924523d9ed / src/CMakeLists.txt: Create the SQL schema based headers in CMake. http://git.io/f-X89w
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20130817 19:09:43< fabi> hi mordante
20130817 19:09:52< mordante> hi fabi 
20130817 19:11:14< fabi> zookeeper: Do you remember your hint for using variations implementing if a unit has different values depending on the status, say a airplaine can be on ground or at different hight levels?
20130817 19:11:56< irker062> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 912c12abd4c3 / src/CMakeLists.txt: Create the SQL schema based headers in CMake. http://git.io/8CClng
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20130817 19:16:31< zookeeper> fabi, uh, i don't recall anything more specific than that.
20130817 19:17:07< fabi> zookeeper: Okay, it doesn't matter. Your suggestion worked far better than I had expected, It saves me a lot of c++ work.
20130817 19:17:26< fabi> zookeeper: Still I have some questions regarding the [variation] tag.
20130817 19:18:26< fabi> [variation] supports the variation_name= attribute to give the variation an identifier, similar to an id to address it.
20130817 19:19:38< fabi> But that name/id is displayed in the unit help. Thus it needs to get translated, but I don't get how it can work as an id any longer if translated. Am I doing anything wrong=
20130817 19:19:40< fabi> ?
20130817 19:21:40< zookeeper> fabi, no, it's just that we'd need a variation_id for filtering purposes
20130817 19:22:21< fabi> Indeed, filtering for variations does not seem to work right now, or does it?
20130817 19:22:51 * zookeeper shrugs
20130817 19:22:53< fabi> That would have been my next question anyway.
20130817 19:23:29< fabi> Do you know who implemented the variation feature?
20130817 19:23:39< zookeeper> no idea, it's very old
20130817 19:23:53< zookeeper> anyway, variation_names are _not_ translated atm, at least not for corpses
20130817 19:25:00< fabi> Yes, it looks like variation_name already works like what you named "variation_id" while variation_translated is still missing.
20130817 19:26:20< zookeeper> yes
20130817 19:26:25< fabi> zookeeper: Do you agree with me, resulting in adding support for filtering for the "variation_name" and an extra tag that is used for displaying them translated?
20130817 19:26:48< fabi> s/tag/attribute
20130817 19:27:29< zookeeper> i'd rather just add variation_id and re-purpose variation_name to be used as the user-visible name
20130817 19:27:43< zookeeper> and sure a SUF for variation_id would be nice
20130817 19:27:54< zookeeper> even if [filter_wml] catches it just fine atm, i think
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20130817 19:27:59< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#417 (trademark - c192452 : Mark de Wever): The build passed.
20130817 19:27:59< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/10313105
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20130817 19:28:45< fabi> zookeeper: [filter_wml] needs to be told that it looks for [variation] and then for the attribute in it. That is a little ugly.
20130817 19:29:25< zookeeper> no it doesn't, single units [can] have a variation= key
20130817 19:29:56< zookeeper> type=Walking Corpse [filter_wml] variation=bat
20130817 19:30:33< fabi> I agree on you having proposed the better names, the question is if we want to break the comparability.
20130817 19:30:50< fabi> compatibility
20130817 19:32:47< zookeeper> not sure
20130817 19:34:23< fabi> zookeeper: Another unrelated thing I have implement is: Support for "&" in the mvt_alias= or any *_alias= attribute in terrain_type.
20130817 19:34:35< zookeeper> well, it wouldn't need to break any existing content if you'd just add in compatibility code which copies variation_name to variation_id if the latter isn't defined.
20130817 19:35:24< fabi> zookeeper: It is another operand like "+" and "-" but not taking the best or worst value.
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20130817 19:36:07< zookeeper> but takes their sum instead?
20130817 19:36:22< fabi> It adds the costs, allowing to have pure stacked overlay terrains. Having forest (a pure overlay terrain) on hills then results in 
20130817 19:36:27< zookeeper> i guess that could come in handy for someone
20130817 19:37:11< fabi> Yes, I see no need to use it in mainline right now. 
20130817 19:40:42< fabi> Another era using the feature could specify the mvt_costs for elves in forest just with 0. 
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20130817 20:55:19< mordante> I'm off bye
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20130817 21:38:46< Gallaecio> Ivanovic: http://paste.kde.org/pa1b93aee/
20130817 21:39:19< Gallaecio> I realize it’s something I can avoid by configuring gcc to take those as just warnings.
20130817 21:39:23< Gallaecio> Still…
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20130817 22:41:10< shadowm> wesbot: seen Elvish_Hunter
20130817 22:41:10< wesbot> shadowm: The person with the nick Elvish_Hunter last spoke 21d 4h ago.  21d 4h ago they left with the message: Quit: Ciao!
20130817 22:42:01< Gallaecio> What the hell… Damn, I did not submit one of the maps. I guess it’s too late. I’m plain stupid.
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20130817 22:46:46< Gallaecio> What the…
20130817 22:47:41< stikonas> Gallaecio: I did not submit one of the maps as well.
20130817 22:47:53< stikonas> but the reason is even more stupid
20130817 22:48:04< stikonas> the bug in git-daemon
20130817 22:48:07< Gallaecio> I just realized that git status does not list it.
20130817 22:48:10< Gallaecio> But it is there.
20130817 22:48:17< stikonas> so mortande was not able to git fetch from me
20130817 22:48:31< Gallaecio> It might be the same here.
20130817 22:48:43< Gallaecio> As it seems I do have it under git versioning.
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20130817 22:50:16< Gallaecio> My case seems .gitignore-related…
20130817 22:50:28< stikonas> doesn't matter too much. It is a devel version :)
20130817 22:50:41< stikonas> There won't be that many people affected by this
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20130817 22:51:03< Gallaecio> Damn!!!
20130817 22:51:10< Gallaecio> It’s in 1.10 mine.
20130817 22:51:19< Gallaecio> wesnoth*
20130817 22:51:47< Gallaecio> It filters out data/core/images/maps/l10n/gl/wesnoth--overlay.png unless I force it.
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20130817 22:52:22< Gallaecio> Damn it, precisely the most notorious image in the game after the logo :(
20130817 22:52:40< shadowm> > wesnoth*
20130817 22:53:04< shadowm> Yeah, we might need to review that .gitignore.
20130817 22:53:06< Gallaecio> Well, at least I can promise that it will be translated in 1.10.8 (if there is ever one), and it will certainly be translated in 1.12.
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20130817 22:54:37< Gallaecio> shadowm: is that supposed to ignore the executable or something?
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20130817 22:56:20< stikonas> shadowm: maybe wesnoth* can be replace with ./wesnoth* or something like that...
20130817 22:56:43< stikonas> actually, it is /wesnoth*
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20130817 23:09:39< shadowm> Nah, /wesnoth* also ignores src/wesnoth.
20130817 23:10:10< shadowm> Oh right.
20130817 23:10:17< shadowm> For some reason there are repeated patterns in the file.
20130817 23:12:02< shadowm> I think I'm going to redo the whole thing with comments and sections for clarity.
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20130817 23:24:09< shadowm> There are several autotools-related patterns we don't need anymore either.
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20130817 23:52:12< shadowm> wesboth :log 9210
20130817 23:52:17< shadowm> wesbot: log 9210
20130817 23:52:18< wesbot> ryo * r9210 : Options for Python API. Script is now specified as a tag in the [ai] bloc. API is built only if HAVE_PYTHON is defined (fallback on ai2 if Python not built).
20130817 23:52:22< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=9210
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20130817 23:56:53< irker062> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master af3a323c628c / src/game_events/pump.cpp: Use NULL instead of 0. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/af3a323c628c29db64e0f9fcc8a5f2cb4196b1be
20130817 23:56:55< irker062> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master b4ce6a6b3a06 / src/game_events/pump.cpp: Refactor how game events are pumped. http://git.io/mNtLnQ
20130817 23:56:57< irker062> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master e088435d6e42 / src/game_events/pump.cpp: Have pump() no longer pump events raised while it is running. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/e088435d6e4234f640ed4f20d12fbebf7440239d
20130817 23:56:59< irker062> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master 054bee883c67 / src/play_controller.cpp: Eliminate a variable by inlining a function call. http://git.io/RnnNCA
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