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20130831 00:14:36< gfgtdf> fabi: i changed the pull request by removing the game_events.cpp file and did some fixes, so that it can merge automaticly and passe the travis build, but when i add it it will again fail to merge. Should i readd it, or leeave it without and put what needs to be changed in game_events in the pull request comment?
20130831 00:17:49< gfgtdf> when i add an commit to my repo, will it be automaticly added to the pull request?
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20130831 01:22:41< AI0867> gfgtdf: that depends on the branch
20130831 01:23:01< AI0867> if you made your pull request from your master branch, and then push to master, it'll be added too the pull request
20130831 01:23:09< AI0867> (this is why feature branches exist)
20130831 01:23:35< AI0867> to fix your pull request, pull in the main repo's changes and merge them!
20130831 01:23:58< AI0867> if you merge them, github (or us) don't have to
20130831 01:24:19< AI0867> and as you're the one who made your changes, you may have the best idea of what should be done
20130831 01:28:26< gfgtdf> AI0867: is there a way to pull the commits from the original repo from the webpage or do i have to do it localy and then push it to my forked repo.
20130831 01:29:09< AI0867> you can locally do git pull origin/master
20130831 01:29:21< AI0867> you'll get some conflicts
20130831 01:29:24< AI0867> you fix them
20130831 01:29:25< AI0867> commit
20130831 01:29:29< AI0867> then push to your forked repo
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20130831 01:30:29< gfgtdf> hm ok but i think i
20130831 01:31:58< gfgtdf> 'll  get get a lot more conflicts than i have to fix, because i have messed op some oter filed to test things, plus i think it is easier for the merger to fix it becaus the conflicts are quiet obvious
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20130831 01:33:06< gfgtdf> the curretn pull request has no conflicts so my plan was to get this merged, and then add another pull request with the file that cause the conflicts or something like that
20130831 01:33:27< gfgtdf> AI0867: ^
20130831 01:33:50< AI0867> lemme take a look
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20130831 01:36:03< AI0867> gfgtdf: your commit message is now "without the msvc changes and game_events". That doesn't really explain what it does do
20130831 01:36:49< gfgtdf> that information is in the name of the pull request
20130831 01:38:17< AI0867> the pull request doesn't make it into the repository
20130831 01:38:22< AI0867> the commit message does
20130831 01:38:54< AI0867> if we ever move away from github, we'd have to extract the pull request metadata or lose it
20130831 01:39:03< AI0867> the commit messages are part of the repository history
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20130831 01:47:01< gfgtdf> AI0867: i renamed the commit
20130831 01:54:20< AI0867> looks okay to me now. There are some spelling errors in hotkeys.hpp, but that's just a minor thing
20130831 01:54:32< AI0867> the main thing is that I'm not really familiar with what you're doing
20130831 01:54:36< gfgtdf> can you merge it?
20130831 01:54:47< gfgtdf> any special questions?
20130831 01:54:54< AI0867> any idea who is?
20130831 01:55:45< gfgtdf> i think fabi, but he said he is a little busy right now and tomorrow
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20130831 02:13:34< gfgtdf> AI0867: still thinking about it?
20130831 02:14:52< gfgtdf> im off then, bb
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20130831 02:25:01< AI0867> gfgtdf: not really awake enough to analyze all of this. I don't see any style errors (other than some spelling in comments), but with how tired I am right now, I'd prefer to let someone else take a look
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20130831 06:04:04< fabi> hi vultraz
20130831 06:05:22< vultraz> hey fabi 
20130831 06:05:26< fabi> vultraz: I have some new WML syntax to introduce, do you like to discuss it?
20130831 06:05:37< vultraz> sure
20130831 06:05:53< fabi> Thanks. The feature is about transporter units.
20130831 06:06:38< fabi> Transporter units can be mounted by moving. If you are in range of a transporter and you "fit" in just clicking it moves the unit in.
20130831 06:08:01< vultraz> this sounds like a totally new gameplay option
20130831 06:08:34< fabi> Let's say the transporter is a ship. That fits best in Wesnoth's context. But you do not want to carry other ships. And maybe the ship is also not able to carry horses or only a certain amount of them.
20130831 06:09:05< fabi> Yeah. That is completely new. I have seen some LUA or WML implementations. But nothing that made me happy.
20130831 06:09:32< vultraz> I know at least anon's campaign (TEG) uses mounted units
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20130831 06:10:43< fabi> A proper implementation should support undo/redo, event firing when mounting/unmount. And the mounted units must be still in the game. Costing upkeep, being filterable and addressable by events.
20130831 06:10:55< fabi> I guess all of that is very hard in LUA.
20130831 06:11:30< fabi> There is also a mainline campaign scenario in SoF which relies on transporters.
20130831 06:12:23< fabi> The syntax relies on a single new attribute in the cargo unit, weight=.
20130831 06:12:29< fabi> Weight is a number.
20130831 06:12:41< fabi> Integer.
20130831 06:12:47< fabi> Positive.
20130831 06:12:51< vultraz> but what defines the transport?
20130831 06:13:01< vultraz> could you have a [unit_type] key?
20130831 06:13:10< vultraz> plus a [unit] key?
20130831 06:13:16< vultraz> saying "you can mount this unit"
20130831 06:13:22< _8680_> vultraz… those look like tags to me.
20130831 06:14:39< vultraz> _8680_: a key inside [unit_type]
20130831 06:14:51< _8680_> Oh. Apologies.
20130831 06:16:16< fabi> [cargo_bay] slots=5 (the transporter/container can transport 5 units in this slot)  total_weight=30 (the sum of the weight of all mounted units must be below this value) max_weight=12 (each of the transporter units must weight less than 12) [entrance] [filter] the transporter must match the filter for this entrance to be active [filter_second] the cargo unit must match this filter to be loaded
20130831 06:16:47< fabi> A unit can have several [cargo_bay]s with several [entrance]s each.
20130831 06:18:00< fabi> s/(each of the transporter units must weight less than 12)/(each of the cargo units must weight less than 12)
20130831 06:18:36< fabi> All of the discussed wml is supposed to work in both, unit and unit_type.
20130831 06:18:50< vultraz> fabi: what do you mean"this entrance to be active"?
20130831 06:20:14< fabi> If one of [filter] or [filter_second] does not match, the cargo unit can not mount the transporter.
20130831 06:21:40< fabi> [unit] [cargo_bay] [unit] ... can be used to start the game with a unit that already has more units transporting.
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20130831 06:29:33< fabi> vultraz: no opinion?
20130831 06:29:43< vultraz> I think it's a good idea
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20130831 06:30:21< fabi> vultraz: Do you like the syntax? Defining good syntaxes is no easy task. I could have missed something.
20130831 06:30:36< vultraz> hm...
20130831 06:30:42< vultraz> lemme think a bit
20130831 06:31:09< fabi> maybe something like movement_cost=2
20130831 06:31:12< fabi> is useful
20130831 06:32:06< fabi> If it is missing every unit that can reach the field is able to mount after passing the conditions defined by the filters and the weight.
20130831 06:33:34< fabi> With it, you can say that the loading is consuming a certain amount of time and thus demanding movement point usage. 
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20130831 07:28:49< vultraz> fabi: you still haven't said how transportswould be identified
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20130831 08:24:50< Ivanovic> wow, looks as if SF.net currently screws up badly....
20130831 08:24:52< Ivanovic> http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/
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20130831 11:02:21< fabi> vultraz: hmmm, identified?
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20130831 11:14:54< fabi> vultraz: Do you mean how the player can see that a unit is a transporter?
20130831 11:15:26< fabi> Ivanovic: That sounds as if it would affect Wesnoth downloads as well.
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20130831 11:16:51< fabi> Ivanovic: My father seemed to have some malware installed the last time I visited him. He claimed it was from downloading Wesnoth. I didn't believe a word. Seems I have done him "unrecht".
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20130831 12:28:20< vultraz> fabi: well, yes, but also what the WML would be for a transporter
20130831 12:28:29< vultraz> would you need a special key?
20130831 12:28:54< vultraz> or is the presence of [cargo_bay] the identifier?
20130831 12:28:57< fabi> vultraz: I thought the [cargo_bay] tag would be enough.
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20130831 13:09:11< gfgtdf> hi, someone online?
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20130831 13:12:18< gfgtdf> i have aproposal about filters: filter can acces the units wml by $this_unit.
20130831 13:12:20< gfgtdf> But units filters often appear in pairs like in abilities filter or in event filters first_unit, second_unit.
20130831 13:12:21< gfgtdf> It would be nice if one could  also acess the other unit during the filter
20130831 13:12:22< gfgtdf> I tihnk all you have to do to acrieve this is scpoing the units BEFORE the filter is applied and not inside it.
20130831 13:13:20< gfgtdf> with abilities i meant weapon specials
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20130831 13:16:35< _Coffee> ping bumbadadabum
20130831 13:16:45< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: Hi
20130831 13:16:52< _Coffee> hello
20130831 13:17:05< _Coffee> were you looking for me 2 days ago?
20130831 13:17:11< _Coffee> sorry I haven't been that active recently
20130831 13:17:20< bumbadadabum> I thought I found an issue with the anim syntax
20130831 13:17:26< bumbadadabum> but apparently it was nothing
20130831 13:17:31< bumbadadabum> and I was just being silly
20130831 13:17:55< _Coffee> too easy then
20130831 13:18:11< _Coffee> be interesting to see the uptake of the new syntax for the various eras
20130831 13:18:30< bumbadadabum> It's not used in much UMC afaik
20130831 13:18:44< _Coffee> if ageless (or the equivelent) could be converted it would save a lot of MBs and time to load
20130831 13:18:52< bumbadadabum> _Coffee: 1.10
20130831 13:18:58< bumbadadabum> that's the thing holding everything back
20130831 13:19:26< bumbadadabum> I'm planning on converting EoC as soon as we decide to drop 1.10
20130831 13:19:33< _Coffee> hmm
20130831 13:19:48< _Coffee> mmaybe a simple python or some such script could do it automatically?
20130831 13:20:06< bumbadadabum> it will not be THAT simple, I think
20130831 13:20:09< _Coffee> or at least do the bulk of it
20130831 13:20:23< bumbadadabum> it's not too much work to convert it manually
20130831 13:20:37< _Coffee> I suppose not
20130831 13:20:43< _Coffee> most of the eras lack animation as well
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20130831 14:15:03< fabi> gfgtdf: You have also $unit and $second_unit (or similar) defined in events. I guess those should work in the filters as well. zookeeper might know more.
20130831 14:33:07< gfgtdf> fabi: i havent found such a thing for weaponspecials but i looked only in the wiki, i i know about the second_unit .. in event my thozght was doing similar with weapon specials
20130831 14:34:45< fabi> gfgtdf: This might be a pretty good candidate for a feature request. I think the implementation is more or less trivial. Maybe you want to take care about it yourself and commit another merge request?
20130831 14:34:55< gfgtdf> fabi: ps: i have changed the pull requet for the hotkeys so that it can merge automaticly and passes travis build, but 1file is not inclued in it my plan was to make another pr when that one was merged
20130831 14:35:30< fabi> Okay, I will have a look at it tomorrow.
20130831 14:35:48< gfgtdf> fabi: i dont know much about that part of the code doing the filters.
20130831 14:36:15< fabi> The filter code is in unit.cpp and it is no black magic.
20130831 14:37:05< gfgtdf> is scoped_xy_unit fast? i ask because  [store_unit] from wml isnt always fast, and the should do more or less the same thing
20130831 14:37:48< fabi> zookeeper: Hello, is there any way to disable a unit's attack under certain circumstances in a weapon special?
20130831 14:38:19< gfgtdf> fabi: you can mae a pearon special wish sets the attacks to 0.
20130831 14:38:20< zookeeper> fabi, i don't think so
20130831 14:38:27< zookeeper> ^ except that, if it works
20130831 14:38:48< fabi> Yes, I thought about that. But it seems a little hacky.
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20130831 14:40:05< fabi> gfgtdf: scoped_xy_unit being fast or not doesn't matter, I see only the need to do it once each time you filter.
20130831 14:40:43< gfgtdf> fabi: i think that should work that kind of weapon specials is also usd to make attacks woith not retaliation attacks
20130831 14:41:15< gfgtdf> fabi: oh and i tihnk you shoudl do the same when you implement the filter, filter_seond for you carbgo_bay thing
20130831 14:41:33< fabi> The same?
20130831 14:42:04< gfgtdf> fabi: making unit1 s wml acessbile in unit2s filter, like it is in events
20130831 14:42:13< fabi> Ah yes. Good idea.
20130831 14:50:35< vultraz> fabi:  would it be possible to move the implementation of conditional actions to lua so umc authors could register their own conditional tags like they do with wml action tags>
20130831 14:51:59< AI0867> Ivanovic: looks like github has recently introduced 'releases', so we may be able to move away from sourceforge
20130831 14:57:46< fabi> AI0867: Can you confirm that the Windows version (or better the installer) tries to install additional "features"?
20130831 14:58:59< fabi> AI0867: I guess you have already read my comment about my father's experience some minutes ago.
20130831 14:59:59< fabi> vultraz: hmmm, I no idea. The lua interface is not a part of Wesnoth I know much about.
20130831 15:00:01< AI0867> only using wine
20130831 15:00:13< AI0867> I don't have windows lying around here
20130831 15:00:29< AI0867> but there's a thread in off-topic you know that contains windows users
20130831 15:01:15< fabi> right
20130831 15:24:00< AI0867> https://forum.filezilla-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30240
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20130831 20:51:35< fabi> AI0867: Interesting thread behind the link.
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