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20130826 01:13:06< wajeemba> hello all- can you tell me what you think of my work towards a console control scheme for wesnoth? http://cargocollective.com/andrewahlfield/Wesnoth-Console-Controls
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20130826 01:19:09< Captain_Wrathbow> After a cursory glance through the article, I can tell that you've put a lot of thought into this, and I commend you for that.
20130826 01:19:16< wajeemba> lol, thx
20130826 01:19:57< Captain_Wrathbow> In all honesty, I don't feel that playing Wesnoth with a gamepad is ideal, but it looks like you've got just about as good of a solution as anyone could come up with.
20130826 01:19:57< wajeemba> hit me with your honest feedback. That's how non half-assed efforts get better :D
20130826 01:20:47< Captain_Wrathbow> I wouldn't know without trying it out myself, but it looks decent. Have you just theorized about this, or tried it out?
20130826 01:20:59< wajeemba> just theory at this point.
20130826 01:21:19< wajeemba> the real work would be in the left analog stick hex cursor algorithm
20130826 01:21:32< Captain_Wrathbow> I imagine you could hook a gamepad up to your computer and map its buttons/triggers/joysticks to keyboard shortcuts and use it to play wesnoth on your computer
20130826 01:21:51< Captain_Wrathbow> Though some things might be tricky to get working, like you said.
20130826 01:22:31< wajeemba> yeah, you would prolly have to reach down into the game code itself to get that to be any kind of smooth. Without that, I agree- the gameplay experience would be far from stellar..
20130826 01:23:33< Captain_Wrathbow> I have to say, I would never play Wesnoth with a Wii remote. I hate those things, especially having to hold them sideways and pretend it's a real controller.
20130826 01:24:01< wajeemba> lol, yeah. That was more for the challenge of it xD
20130826 01:24:08< bumbadadabum> Real controllers work best as real controllers lol
20130826 01:24:43< bumbadadabum> Although the wiimotes weren't terrible in SSBB
20130826 01:25:10< Captain_Wrathbow> Ah, this is interesting. Looking at the article in a little more depth, and I like the idea of customizing shortcuts. 
20130826 01:25:28< wajeemba> what's funny to me is that xbox controllers work better on the ouya console than first party controllers do xD
20130826 01:25:45< wajeemba> yeah, I really don't know why that method is not used more often..
20130826 01:25:55< Captain_Wrathbow> bumbadadabum: in SSBB, I always used Wii Remote + nunchuk, or classic controller/GCN controller. I _really_ hate holding the wii remote sideways
20130826 01:26:31< Captain_Wrathbow> Thankfully, I don't have to put up with Wii Remotes much because there are very few games worth playing on the Wii...
20130826 01:26:46< bumbadadabum> Captain_Wrathbow: I only own 2 gamecube controllers, so I sometimes had to use the single wiimote when playing with friends
20130826 01:27:02< wajeemba> most button-mapping is some kind of huge table that's way too abstracted to be very helpful imo
20130826 01:27:03< bumbadadabum> wiimote+nunchuck is terrible IMO
20130826 01:27:33< Captain_Wrathbow> Huh, really? Funny how that is... difference of opinion. But whatever, enough OT. :p
20130826 01:30:29< wajeemba> captain_wrathbow - take a look at the bottom part of the diagram on the bottom of the page. Have you ever seen pie menus?
20130826 01:30:53< Captain_Wrathbow> Mm... I don't think so...?
20130826 01:32:31< Captain_Wrathbow> What is it exactly?
20130826 01:33:15< wajeemba> it lets you select which attack type you want without having to scroll through a menu linearly. just takes the position of the analog stick
20130826 01:34:09< Captain_Wrathbow> Oh, ok. Makes sense, but I've never heard the term "pie menu" before.
20130826 01:34:17< Captain_Wrathbow> Except at restaurant dessert menus.
20130826 01:35:21< wajeemba> lol
20130826 01:35:37< Captain_Wrathbow> If you ever get this past the theory stage and there's an easy way of hooking my gamepad up and using it to play Wesnoth, I'd certainly be willing/interested in giving this a test drive.
20130826 01:35:54< celticminstrel> Pie menus? Would that be like in the Sims?
20130826 01:36:06< wajeemba> to the right of that- what do you think of a 2nd order pie chart for damage outcomes?
20130826 01:36:24< wajeemba> I liked it better than the array of bar charts that we have currently... :P
20130826 01:38:16< Captain_Wrathbow> I don't know, I'm having a hard time visually how exactly that would look. I'd have to try it out and see it side by side with the current setup and compare.
20130826 01:38:25< Captain_Wrathbow> *visualizing
20130826 01:39:34< wajeemba> the pizza slice radial percentage tells how likely the outcome is, and the depth tells you how much hp you'd have left. I would color them according to the health bar scale.
20130826 01:41:03< wajeemba> anyway, I gotta head out. Thx for the feedback!
20130826 01:41:07< Captain_Wrathbow> Oh! Totally makes sense! Yes, I think that would probably be much easier to read than the current bar graphs.
20130826 01:41:11< bumbadadabum> tiny nitpick
20130826 01:41:15< Captain_Wrathbow> Well, see ya.
20130826 01:41:26< bumbadadabum> the xbox buttons aren't called l/r 1 and 2
20130826 01:41:35< wajeemba> oh moo....
20130826 01:43:55< wajeemba> but yes, if I did a nice vector gfx version of the xbox one I'd change that :)
20130826 01:44:11< wajeemba> if anyone else is able to leave feedback here, I'll check it late :D
20130826 01:44:16< wajeemba> *later
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20130826 11:03:38< H-Hour> i keep getting logged out of the forums. is this an ongoing issue or a problem on my side? never had problems staying logged in in the past.
20130826 11:03:46< H-Hour> i am checking "Log me on automatically each visit" when i sign in.
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20130826 11:41:23< WhiteNight_> Hi, is there a way in WML to make the ai try to move a unit to a x,y location (and ignore enemy units possibly blocking the way), when there are no enemys in range and behave "normal" when there are enemy units?
20130826 11:42:53< lipkab> H-Hour: It works for me. Didn't you disable cookies?
20130826 11:43:20< H-Hour> hmm... cookies working fine. it just seems once a day i get logged out.
20130826 11:44:02< lipkab> I don't know, then. shadowm might be able to tell you more.
20130826 11:45:23< H-Hour> ok, np. i mostly wanted to know if there was admin work going on causing the problem, or if it#'s just me. sounds like it's just me
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20130826 12:02:39< shadowm> WhiteNight_: AI configuration isn't really my forte, but have you tried the target_location or protect_location goals from http://wiki.wesnoth.org/AiWML#The_.5Bgoal.5D_Tag ?
20130826 12:03:06< shadowm> Although there doesn't seem to be any direct way to specify that for a limited set of units from a side.
20130826 12:07:28< WhiteNight_> shadowm: could I put an [ai] [goal] tag in my [unit] tag?
20130826 12:08:13< shadowm> To my knowledge, that wouldn't do anything.
20130826 12:10:46< shadowm> H-Hour: It only logs me out when I do simultaneous requests while affected by client-side lag here. That's all I know, sorry.
20130826 12:11:12< H-Hour> hmm, don't think that'd be my case, but who  knows. thanks for replying.
20130826 12:11:32< shadowm> It tends to do that especially when one of the requests has a sid in the query string.
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20130826 18:10:23< Captain_Wrathbow> Argh... website is down.
20130826 18:10:30< Captain_Wrathbow> Must... check... forums...
20130826 18:12:59< Captain_Wrathbow> No... it's just extraordinarily slow? status.wesnoth.org says the site is down though.
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