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20130911 00:00:44< irker956> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd e30313dbc629 / src/umcd/protocol/core/header_data_stream.hpp: Correction of a warning under clang++. http://git.io/X6SWrA
20130911 00:00:46< irker956> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 2adb431ebbd8 / src/SConscript: Update the scons file, the server and test compile with scons. http://git.io/54dxuA
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20130911 00:30:02< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#541 (asio_umcd - 2adb431 : Pierre T): The build is still failing.
20130911 00:30:02< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/11214856
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20130911 00:59:05< irker956> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 30b685764ab2 / changelog src/gui/auxiliary/event/handler.cpp: gui2: Ignore SDL_SYSWMEVENT events on X11 http://git.io/qopj8w
20130911 01:11:16< shadowm> I need a guinea pig who can use Git and compile an external branch on Windows.
20130911 01:11:22< shadowm> Any volunteers?
20130911 01:12:42< vultraz> *crickets*
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20130911 01:24:31< loonycyborg> shadowm: I can.
20130911 01:24:34< loonycyborg> Which one?
20130911 01:28:17< shadowm> loonycyborg: https://github.com/shikadilord/wesnoth-old, the branch is feature/game-paths-info
20130911 01:29:07< shadowm> I have only updated the scons and cmake recipes for the new files. If you are going to build it, you'll need to make a small local change as well in order to enable the untested code in src/desktop_util.cpp.
20130911 01:29:39< shadowm> replace a line containing "#elif defined(_WIN32) && defined(UNTESTED_DE_CODE_ON_WIN32)" with "#elif defined(_WIN32)" or #define UNTESTED_DE_CODE_ON_WIN32 somewhere before.
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20130911 01:37:53< loonycyborg> kk
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20130911 02:24:50< AI0867> thunderstruck: well, I've set it to not give reports on successes unless the previous build failed
20130911 02:25:02< AI0867> or have we had failed builds that weren't reported?
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20130911 02:55:49< justinzane> hello everyone.
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20130911 03:03:16< gfgtdf> hi, is someonone onle who is familiar with the preprocesoor wml? i just took a look at the code, and found '\376' wich seems to be a chacter code for some islandic symbol (according to internet), anyone knows what it does ?
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20130911 04:32:49< loonycyborg> shadowm: https://gist.github.com/loonycyborg/006dfbfe3e03e6225dd3, that's what I needed to do to make it compile
20130911 04:33:26< loonycyborg> After that buttons in preferences opened appropriate paths with explorer
20130911 04:33:33< loonycyborg> It seems to work fine
20130911 04:34:16< shadowm> Oh, so HINSTANCE isn't an integer type I guess.
20130911 04:37:02< loonycyborg> It's a pointer
20130911 04:37:12< loonycyborg> HINSTANCE__* or something
20130911 04:42:51< AI0867> gfgtdf: that's used for identifying preprocessor metadata
20130911 04:44:35< shadowm> loonycyborg: Thanks for your help. :)
20130911 04:44:46< loonycyborg> yw
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20130911 07:21:55< justinzane> In ai/default/context.hpp:204 we have a call to get_village_value(); but I'll be damned if I can find anywhere that this value is set or calculated besides the "= 0" in the abstract class.
20130911 07:22:27< justinzane> Is this me being a moron, or is something missing.
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20130911 07:23:48< justinzane> Because if it never gets set to anything besides 0, then there is a big chunk of code on a path that never gets taken starting at line 206
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20130911 09:58:23< thunderstruck> How can I get membership on Gna!'s Wesnoth group?
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20130911 10:08:12< thunderstruck> AI0867: In that case, it works fine. I was unaware of not reporting success.
20130911 10:09:44< thunderstruck> justinzane: Having in mind that code is being constantly changed and we're all humans (we do mistakes), I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.
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20130911 10:15:46< justinzane> Hmmm, thunderstruck, any clue what `get_village_value` is intended to calculate? I'm trying to break out some of the logic in that block into separate, single purpose helper functions so that:
20130911 10:15:59< justinzane> 1 - it is easier to read and understand
20130911 10:16:24< thunderstruck> justinzane: Sorry, I don't know anything about that area of the code. It was just a general comment.
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20130911 10:16:57< justinzane> 2 - it is easier to hack and experiment with, since the chances of scrweing something up accidentally are lower in simpler code.
20130911 10:17:57< justinzane> thunderstruck: no problemo... I'm sure i could check git to see who last committed there.
20130911 10:18:56 * justinzane off to sleep...
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20130911 10:26:17< shadowm> Was projectfiles/CodeBlocks/README.txt specifically formatted to give people migraines?
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20130911 10:31:43< shadowm> ... -D_WIN32_WINDOWS.
20130911 10:31:57< shadowm> I suppose there's a good reason for that.
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20130911 11:10:59< shadowm> Finally, I got a functional Windows build!
20130911 11:13:37< shadowm> Sound is incredibly laggy, though. Not sure if it's because I disabled OpenMP, it's running on VirtualBox (although other sound applications seem to work just fine), or maybe something else? It happens both with -O0 and -O3 builds.
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20130911 11:27:46< vultraz> shadowm: CB?
20130911 11:28:49< shadowm> Yes.
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20130911 15:00:23< Soliton> absent_justinzan: "= 0" behind a function declaration means it is pure virtual. that has nothing to do with any values the function returns. for that you need to look at an actual implementation.
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20130911 15:01:19< gfgtdf> AI0867: can you tell me any file that uses '\376'?, i coundt find anything about it at: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PreprocessorRef.
20130911 15:11:29< thunderstruck> Soliton: Hello. You might want to take a look at http://git.io/n-2Luw and http://git.io/-OJcJQ - they both touch the server.
20130911 15:11:57< thunderstruck> However, this time they won't break backwards compatibility.
20130911 15:16:06< Soliton> thunderstruck: in http://git.io/n-2Luw there is no hint as to why the mp_shroud logic was reversed. it looks like it was accidentally committed.
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20130911 15:17:30< thunderstruck> Soliton: It wasn't. While working on that commit, I've discovered that the reason why map_data won't appear after the first scenario is played
20130911 15:17:44< thunderstruck> is the line which checks for shroud.
20130911 15:18:26< thunderstruck> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/f8a7d1dd5991933c8fbb438ec489bb6b3b41ec3b
20130911 15:19:46< Soliton> i can guess that it was intentional. my point stands that there is no explanation.
20130911 15:20:11< thunderstruck> Soliton: Ok. I will add an explanation to commit message.
20130911 15:20:20< Soliton> i still have no real clue. maybe it was wrong all the time?
20130911 15:20:32< thunderstruck> Wrong link..
20130911 15:20:37< thunderstruck> Wait a second.
20130911 15:20:59< thunderstruck> Soliton: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/blob/master/src/server/server.cpp#L2421
20130911 15:22:15< thunderstruck> Soliton: So it was supposed to be like in this link, but someone forgot to put "!".
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20130911 15:23:29< Soliton> so that means all this time map data was displayed when shroud was on and not displayed when shroud was off?
20130911 15:23:36< thunderstruck> Yes.
20130911 15:23:52< thunderstruck> But only after the first scenario was played.
20130911 15:24:11< thunderstruck> The first scenario started after creating the game was working ok.
20130911 15:24:19< Soliton> what you linked to is the first scenario code.
20130911 15:24:38< Soliton> so you're saying there it was right and that's not the part you changed?
20130911 15:24:53< Soliton> (why can't you just say that? :-P)
20130911 15:25:23< thunderstruck> Sorry. It seemed obvious for me.
20130911 15:26:17< Soliton> ok, excellent.
20130911 15:26:42< Soliton> that change should have been in a seperate commit though.
20130911 15:27:21< Soliton> now that it is pushed to master though (right?) you should not change it. rewriting published history is bad.
20130911 15:27:29< thunderstruck> It's not pushed to master.
20130911 15:27:33< thunderstruck> That's my cloned repo.
20130911 15:28:10< Soliton> ah, then it'd be nice to seperate it out.
20130911 15:28:14< thunderstruck> Sure.
20130911 15:28:37< Soliton> i would avoid the ! though and switch if and else part.
20130911 15:28:47< Soliton> double negatives are hard to understand.
20130911 15:29:13< thunderstruck> It just so happens for me that while I work on something, I find out that something else stands in my way and end up fixing it right away.
20130911 15:29:43< Soliton> sure, happens to me too all the time. that's why i love git add -p. ;-)
20130911 15:30:14< thunderstruck> I'll try that next time.
20130911 15:30:49< Soliton> and git rebase -i.
20130911 15:31:14< Soliton> anyhow, looks all good.
20130911 15:32:00< AI0867> gfgtdf: no, it's what the preprocessor can *output* as an intermediate stage
20130911 15:32:08< AI0867> wmlparser2 uses that output
20130911 15:32:59< AI0867> the '.plain' file it outputs contains those
20130911 15:33:08< AI0867> example: �line 1 data/_main.cfg
20130911 15:33:53< Soliton> thunderstruck: since we're breaking compatibility anyway it would be awesome if we could put the initial game data in a proper tag like the next scenarios so we don't need the hack here (https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/blob/master/src/server/server.cpp#L2359). should be a simple change...
20130911 15:36:00< thunderstruck> Soliton: Ok. I didn't like that child("side") check anyway.
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20130911 15:41:23< thunderstruck> Soliton: desc.set_attr_dup("map_data", s["mp_shroud"].to_bool() ? "" : s["map_data"]);
20130911 15:41:58< thunderstruck> I hope you won't mind a slight efficiency drop :D
20130911 15:42:24< thunderstruck> It was set_attr() in the case of shroud.
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20130911 15:59:42< Soliton> thunderstruck: i think we can live with that. :-)
20130911 16:03:25< gfgtdf> AI0867: ok ty
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20130911 16:59:52< irker376> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 57f5a7cd9c76 / data/core/units/saurians/ (Ambusher.cfg Flanker.cfg Skirmisher.cfg): Added a hit sound to the Saurian Skirmisher line's ranged attack http://git.io/grVySQ
20130911 16:59:52< irker376> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master ce4105cca911 / data/core/macros/sound-utils.cfg: Made SOUND:POISON not work on unpoisonable units http://git.io/eVEvbQ
20130911 16:59:53< irker376> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 6668406dbc04 / data/core/macros/abilities.cfg: Made feeding use unplagueable instead of not_living http://git.io/9_wvSg
20130911 16:59:54< irker376> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 13f167c22b9b / / (1414 files in 94 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old into tmp http://git.io/AXCI8A
20130911 16:59:55< irker376> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 6d39f8a2215c / / (572 files in 65 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old into tmp http://git.io/NaovAw
20130911 16:59:56< irker376> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master d2e5271b7650 / data/core/units/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Updated animationWML for the Saurians and Dwarvish Thunderer line http://git.io/iJgHyg
20130911 16:59:58< irker376> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 2e8df1f35209 / data/core/units/dwarves/Dragonguard.cfg: Fixed the Dragonguard halos http://git.io/J7gaBA
20130911 17:00:00< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 30b685764ab2 / changelog src/gui/auxiliary/event/handler.cpp: gui2: Ignore SDL_SYSWMEVENT events on X11 http://git.io/qopj8w
20130911 17:00:03< irker376> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master d61af94ab23b / data/core/units/dwarves/Dragonguard.cfg: fixed a small mistake http://git.io/UltQdw
20130911 17:00:05< irker376> wesnoth: Alexander van Gessel wesnoth-old:master f4e508d0002e / data/core/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Merge pull request #73 from bumbadadabum/tmp http://git.io/iWkK2w
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20130911 17:01:44< mattsc> justinzane: get_village_value reads the value of the village_value aspect if set in the [ai] tag
20130911 17:02:04< mattsc> ... or its default value if not set
20130911 17:05:13< justinzane> mattsc: Where does it read this? I've not written/read C++ for many years, so I'm having a bit of trouble tracking things down.
20130911 17:05:26< justinzane> mattsc: Thanks, btw.
20130911 17:06:27< mattsc> justinzane: I don't remember (and I have very little C++ experience), let me check to see if I can find it quickly
20130911 17:06:51< mattsc> justinzane: btw, the person who really knows everything about the AI is Crab_.
20130911 17:09:41< justinzane> mattsc: No need, I think... grep says ai/registry and ai/contexts
20130911 17:10:12< mattsc> justinzane: ok, good  (and yes, that's how far I had gotten also)
20130911 17:10:52< justinzane> While I love Eclipse-CDT, IDEs tend to make one forget the obvious. Like grep. 
20130911 17:11:03 * justinzane facepalm
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20130911 17:20:44< irker376> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth-old:master 9cb842c8173c / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/ (3 files): Merge pull request #75 from bumbadadabum/tmp http://git.io/uyTizw
20130911 17:21:13< vultraz> well well well
20130911 17:21:21< vultraz> bumba is contributing
20130911 17:21:33< bumbadadabum> vultraz: Don't tell anyone!
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20130911 19:01:13< irker376> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master dfda87aed052 / src/server/server.cpp: Fixed game's "map_data" init during "store_next_scenario". http://git.io/OKd-6A
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20130911 20:04:08< justinzane> Anyone know how to build wesnoth to generate a callgraph -- gprof and dot -- or something similar? Excluding the SDL code, just the game mechanics? 
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20130911 23:03:50< fabi> zookeeper: I'd like to participate in (on?) your knowledge once more :-)
20130911 23:03:58< zookeeper> go ahead
20130911 23:04:54< fabi> zookeeper: The top down viewed units need a different kind of handling the submerge= in [terrain_type].
20130911 23:06:19< fabi> zookeeper: I have two variants "submerged" and "deep_submerged". Both need to be covered by the water completely but look distinguishable.
20130911 23:06:45< zookeeper> well, first of all i'd disable the default submerging somehow. either in every animation individually or by using flies=true (or whatever it was) in the movetype def.
20130911 23:07:21< fabi> I have already done so by commenting submerge= in all [terrain_type].
20130911 23:07:38< fabi> I need heavily modified terrains anyway...
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20130911 23:07:42< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 13566a65bf53 / src/umcd/error.cpp: Add a missing colon. http://git.io/JvZlFA
20130911 23:07:44< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd aab6d10a3efa / src/umcd/special_packet.cpp: Put text message inside quote. http://git.io/dNvlSQ
20130911 23:07:46< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd b1aade8b695b / src/umcd/protocol/server/action_dispatcher.cpp: Add a logging information when the request name is not found. http://git.io/gKgNlw
20130911 23:07:48< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 15381e41d304 / src/umcd/client/client.hpp: The client must be allocated on the heap now. http://git.io/iydFXw
20130911 23:07:50< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd f0e834fe31e6 / src/tests/umcd/ (send_receive_test.cpp send_receive_test.hpp test_protocol.cpp): Change test and create a pseudo test framework. Add common tests. http://git.io/NcLuUw
20130911 23:07:52< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 56c5ff39bbd1 / src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Move the request validation in the base class basic_action. http://git.io/hxNR8A
20130911 23:07:54< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 88617b3f07d5 / src/umcd/otl/otl.hpp: Add extension for the boost::uint16_t type, boost::array. Use OTL_PARANOID_EOF t http://git.io/upSSwA
20130911 23:07:56< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 1fed80bf9ce1 / src/umcd/ (error.cpp error.hpp): Add an internal error. http://git.io/JcgJGw
20130911 23:07:58< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 0bf122bb82bc / src/umcd/actions/ (request_license_action.cpp request_umc_upload_action.cpp): Retreive the addon type from the database. http://git.io/kmnGtw
20130911 23:08:00< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd c42d95c270ae / src/umcd/ (database.cpp database.hpp umcd.cpp): Add accessor to the underlying otl_connect of the class database, remove useless http://git.io/OmRBVg
20130911 23:08:02< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd bfcec3aa0740 / data/umcd/database/ (create_database.sql populate_database.sql): Add some data for the language and update a commentary. http://git.io/pBOPPw
20130911 23:08:04< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 23b9905f4ad7 / src/tests/umcd/ (send_receive_test.cpp test_protocol.cpp): Update the test and begin the test of an upload. http://git.io/Qc4JfQ
20130911 23:08:06< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd bd2b1aba213e / src/umcd/otl/otl.hpp: Pretty print of the OTL exception. http://git.io/hOma_Q
20130911 23:08:08< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd ff10f79c3ab6 / src/umcd/actions/ (request_umc_upload_action.cpp request_umc_upload_action.hpp): Refactor the retreiving of the addon_type by name. http://git.io/R7e3HQ
20130911 23:08:10< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 5938e90308f5 / src/CMakeLists.txt: Put the POD data structure inside umcd/pod instead of the build directory. http://git.io/UXosng
20130911 23:08:12< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 81ccfb2ae853 / src/umcd/actions/ (request_umc_upload_action.cpp request_umc_upload_action.hpp): Add code to retreive a language by name (locale). http://git.io/bHbf_w
20130911 23:08:14< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd bd4b25678178 / src/umcd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update some logs, the formatting is better. http://git.io/5_odmA
20130911 23:08:16< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd f6408b1559fa / src/umcd/ (error.cpp error.hpp): Add the bad_umc_id error if the user is trying to update an UMC with a bad ID. http://git.io/OrPsIg
20130911 23:08:18< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 8f99311e397e / src/umcd/database.cpp: Remove the try-catch, the otl_exception now inherit from std::exception. Check i http://git.io/lvVgzw
20130911 23:08:20< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 3ffe69fa24e8 / src/umcd/actions/ (request_umc_upload_action.cpp request_umc_upload_action.hpp): Detect if the ID is in the request or not. Try to retreive the UMC if it is or r http://git.io/WMf9vQ
20130911 23:08:22< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd ca380bbca989 / / (3 files in 3 dirs): Update tests and add one who try to access an unknown UMC ID. http://git.io/qyWvsQ
20130911 23:08:24< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd fad542730ae2 / src/umcd/actions/request_umc_upload_action.cpp: Convert umc upload_info to the POD addon. http://git.io/896RCQ
20130911 23:08:26< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 13180544a3ca / src/umcd/ (error.cpp error.hpp): Add the field_too_long error, for fields inside request that exceeds allowed siz http://git.io/RlYWPw
20130911 23:08:28< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 093bb09fdded / src/umcd/database.cpp: Initialize OTL in threading mode. Be careful, OTL is not threadsafe anyways. http://git.io/7pS9NA
20130911 23:08:30< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 44dbb1f6d464 / src/umcd/otl/otl.hpp: Correct bug in the exception message formatting. http://git.io/WY_CYQ
20130911 23:08:32< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 1cdb8e12975e / src/umcd/protocol/server/ (error_sender.cpp error_sender.hpp): Add overload to async_send_error for extra message and string message error. http://git.io/cnrppg
20130911 23:08:34< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd beb126d353a6 / src/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Move database related code inside the directory database. http://git.io/SsMFAg
20130911 23:08:36< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd 33f8ee4cc74d / src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Move the special packet into the umcd/protocol/server directory. These function  http://git.io/F_qjgQ
20130911 23:08:38< irker702> wesnoth: Pierre T wesnoth-old:asio_umcd d5182b4bc0f8 / src/umcd/actions/ (basic_action.cpp request_umc_upload_action.cpp): Validate the UMC upload request. http://git.io/AZQtWQ
20130911 23:09:25< zookeeper> fabi, the only thing i can think of (besides putting a halo on units when they step in water...) would be to just create terrain-filtered variations of all animations. doesn't sound like fun, though.
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20130911 23:11:02< fabi> zookeeper: What about simply making the image= in [frame] semi-transparent?
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20130911 23:11:49< fabi> I haven't thought about that before, I guess a simple test won't be much work.
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20130911 23:14:03< zookeeper> well, sure. but then you'd need to alter every [frame] rather than just giving the submerge key once at animation top-level
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20130911 23:15:37< fabi> That is okay. I have my own set of animation macros already.
20130911 23:18:01< zookeeper> oh, wait, one other alternative:
20130911 23:19:08< zookeeper> give the unit an image_mod object which overlays an image on it or tints it blue or whatever
20130911 23:19:36< fabi> hmmm
20130911 23:19:40< zookeeper> dunno why i didn't remember that; it's the most sane way i can think of, even if it doesn't work mid-animation (like when you're moving over a river)
20130911 23:20:14< fabi> Yeah, I will try that :-)
20130911 23:21:58< zookeeper> you'll have to give the object in a moveto event (among others) so i'm not sure if there's OOS potential if you allow undoing
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20130911 23:25:08< fabi> hi Gambit
20130911 23:26:43< Gambit> Hey fabi
20130911 23:28:38< fabi> Gambit: I think locking the thread about poc in rage wasn't the best action, especially as an administrator. It feels like you are accusing most participants as being racists, I am not offended myself but I feel it is best to notice you.
20130911 23:30:29< Gambit> Well, frankly, if I had to hear one more ridiculous excuse, I would suspect them of being just that.
20130911 23:31:14< Gambit> Unwittingly or subconsciously perhaps.
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20130911 23:33:08< fabi> Sadly, there are racists out there and maybe even some of the people in the thread are. But most of the text was quite earnest. Don't take such stuff too personal.
20130911 23:33:28< fabi> gfgtdf: hi
20130911 23:33:56< Gambit> I dunno, some of them seemed awfully desperate to make sure this doesn't happen, despite being unable to provide any decent reasons why.
20130911 23:34:19< fabi> gfgtdf: Do you already have a working solution for ranged weapons coded? I would like to participate if so.
20130911 23:34:42< fabi> Gambit: Maybe such stuff is better discussed privately between the developers and artists.
20130911 23:35:00< Gambit> fabi: Yeah I didn't originally intend for that to be a whole thread.
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20130911 23:35:11< Gambit> I split it so I could stop disrupting yomar's thread.
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20130911 23:35:22< Gambit> Because people had more to say than I thought they would.
20130911 23:35:38< fabi> Gambit: I guess we can all (or most) agree that Khalifate and Quenoth are good candidates to differ from the common Tolkien world.
20130911 23:36:01< Gambit> I look forward to the Khalifate for so many reasons :D
20130911 23:36:03< fabi> Gambit: Okay, it was a split from another topic? I wasn't aware of that.
20130911 23:36:15< Gambit> Not the least of which is it's always nice to have more assets available in data/core/
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20130911 23:38:52< fabi> Gambit: Yes, I am also very interested in the Khalifate faction. The very different Cavalry they offer is exiting. 
20130911 23:39:06< shadowm> It says right in the opening post that it's split.
20130911 23:40:45< fabi> Gambit: There is some new artwork for the Khalifate on the forums, some of them already feature poc. But that might also been mentioned in the thread already and I just missed it like the split information.
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20130911 23:43:54< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#550 (asio_umcd - d5182b4 : Pierre T): The build is still failing.
20130911 23:43:54< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/11255057
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20130911 23:44:05< gfgtdf> fabi: hi
20130911 23:44:14< fabi> gfgtdf: Hello :-)
20130911 23:46:16< fabi> gfgtdf: You noticed my question some line above?
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20130911 23:48:33< gfgtdf> fabi: now i see it, no i havent
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20130911 23:49:05< fabi> gfgtdf: Do you plan so, or is your project canceled?
20130911 23:49:33< gfgtdf> fabi: not realy sure
20130911 23:51:24< fabi> gfgtdf: Do you like to give some information about your past plans?
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20130911 23:58:08< gfgtdf> fabi:  uhm i dont know, it was quite a time ago.
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