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20130917 00:09:30< shadowm> fabi: Did you ever get around to implementing GUI2 radio buttons? I forgot.
20130917 00:15:21< fabi> shadowm: No, not yet.
20130917 00:29:55< shadowm> Sadness.
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20130917 00:37:46< fabi> shadowm: It was not much work with gui1. Radio buttons are just slightly modified press buttons.
20130917 00:38:24< fabi> shadowm: In fact, you can just use two state press buttons and just connect them somehow and make sure that only one of them is pressed.
20130917 00:39:07< shadowm> Yes, I understand the principle.
20130917 00:39:23< fabi> shadowm: If it is important for you, I can rearrange my schedule and do it soon.
20130917 00:40:05< shadowm> Nah, it's not a problem.
20130917 00:43:34< fabi> shadowm: There are some editor problems left which I want to fix soon (to be safe that the next stable release won't be delayed), I can work on it straight afterwards.
20130917 00:54:03< justinzane> anyone have problems building with distcc that do not happen locally?
20130917 00:56:07< justinzane> Question: does anyone have any data, from addons.wesnoth.org perhaps, about how many users are on each avaiable platform? i.e. WinXX:13%,OSX,8%,Android:???
20130917 00:58:20< shadowm> Neither the add-ons server or the MP server software track any information about clients besides their IP address.
20130917 00:58:33< shadowm> *nor
20130917 00:59:50< shadowm> I suppose one could look at the SF.net download stats, but the source tarballs can be built on any platform, and there are presumably many players using prebuilt packages from other sources we cannot track (e.g. any given Linux distribution's software repositories).
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20130917 01:00:42< shadowm> Here are SF.net's download stats: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/stats/os
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20130917 01:11:09< justinzane> Ahh... just curious. Does anyone have a "feeling" for the platform distribution?
20130917 01:17:48< Soliton> similar to the humble bundle's distribution, i'd guess.
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20130917 01:50:14< fabi> shadowm: Wesnoth doesn't run on *BSD?
20130917 01:51:10< shadowm> It probably does?
20130917 01:52:28< fabi> justinzane: You must consider that Wesnoth is part of all major Linux distributions. It's hard to predict how many users play from their distribution's repositories.
20130917 01:52:56< fabi> justinzane: Maybe the MP server knows about the os of a client. Soliton might know more.
20130917 01:53:07< shadowm> fabi: Did you read what I said before?
20130917 01:53:34< fabi> shadowm: Obviously not :-)
20130917 01:55:32< justinzane> am I understanding correctly that the majority of users are on various distros of gnu/linux with a small minority on other platforms?
20130917 02:01:50< AI0867> we don't really know. The SF download stats are the hardest data we have, but most linux users get the game from their distro's repositories
20130917 02:02:18< AI0867> so they'll be underrepresented in those stats, but we don't know how much
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20130917 02:18:26< fabi> :-)
20130917 02:22:14< fabi> AI0867: The minimum "Maximum auto-saves:" is 1.
20130917 02:27:22< shadowm> AI0867: The :nosaves option might be an alternative: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CommandMode
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20130917 08:50:34< Soliton> justinzane: majority on windows, minority on linux/mac is my feeling.
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20130917 09:09:51< irker941> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 16cebf72ff69 / src/addon/ (info.cpp info.hpp): addon/info: Read and write last-upload TS ("timestamp" WML attribute) http://git.io/CgBlkw
20130917 09:09:51< irker941> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master ab964fc6cad6 / src/addon/state.hpp: addon/state: Add fallback add-on sorting enum types http://git.io/K9EKbQ
20130917 09:09:52< irker941> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 28ca84ef9145 / / (3 files in 2 dirs): gui2/taddon_filter_options: Add sorting criterion/direction options http://git.io/YGDPPQ
20130917 09:09:54< irker941> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 09ae97d8a633 / src/addon/ (info.cpp info.hpp): addon/info: Add artificial upload/creation order index field http://git.io/AyTe2g
20130917 09:09:57< irker941> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master a16bda37f4f3 / changelog players_changelog src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Implement fallback sorting algorithm/direction selection http://git.io/ZWh4vQ
20130917 09:10:00< irker941> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master 2351b07f9e77 / data/gui/default/window/addon_filter_options.cfg: gui2/taddon_filter_option: Various UI layout improvements http://git.io/w7hhmA
20130917 09:12:57< justinzane> Ahh, vewwy, vewwy intewesting... 
20130917 09:13:21 * justinzane elmer fudd brain voice means time to sleep!
20130917 09:13:37< justinzane> night all!
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20130917 10:00:45< shadowm> loonycyborg: What's the Cairo version used in Windows builds and the codeblocks SDK package in our SF.net downloads section?
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20130917 15:11:19< loonycyborg> shadowm: 1.10.0 for windows releases
20130917 15:11:48< loonycyborg> no idea about codeblocks sdk
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20130917 17:06:27< thunderstruck> When I see commit's message like this "Ported 2010-04-23T13:57:22Z!kailoran@gmail.com and 2010-04-23T13:57:3…
20130917 17:06:27< thunderstruck> …1Z!kailoran@gmail.com from 1.8."
20130917 17:06:31< thunderstruck> What does that supposed to mean?
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20130917 17:07:16< irker937> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:master de953ecda53b / / (26 files in 25 dirs): Updated the British English translation. http://git.io/LvLV9Q
20130917 17:09:39< lipkab> thunderstruck: It probably refers to certain commits, but the rev number was messed during the svn-git conversion.
20130917 17:10:21< lipkab> esr: ^?
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20130917 18:31:05< AI0867> thunderstruck, lipkab: it's a timestamp and email, which are supposed to refer unambiguously to a single commit, regardless of the VCS used. Unfortunately, that's not always true (you can make multiple commits in the same second just fine).
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20130917 19:23:59< irker937> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:1.10 98d5e4c2f444 / / (25 files in 24 dirs): Updated the British English translation. http://git.io/NpE9Jg
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20130917 19:44:27< mordante> servus
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20130917 20:25:43< fabi__> mordante: Do you have a few minutes for discussing some stuff?
20130917 20:26:11< mordante> fabi__, is a few minutes
20130917 20:28:12< fabi__> mordante: We use the nearest neighbor for scaling images, right? 
20130917 20:30:31< fabi__> Do you think http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/kopf/pixelart/ would be an improvement? The results look good to me, but I do not know if it is the right one in our case.
20130917 20:33:41< fabi__> I am asking because I am working on lifting a simplified version of the RotSprite algorithm which depends on scaling the image first before it rotates the image. 
20130917 20:33:49< shadowm> It is probably worth noting that pixel art needs are different to those of portrait art, and we use both.
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20130917 20:35:32< fabi__> Well, there could be one more image path function, no need to drop the old one. But I guess even for scaling the portraits, there are better solutions than the nearest neighbor.
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20130917 20:35:59< shadowm> That's true and that's why I suspect we do not use nearest neighbor.
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20130917 20:38:53< fabi__> The original RotSprite uses the Scale2x one which should be easy to lift, out of the scummvm open source project for example.
20130917 20:40:26< mordante> fabi__, I don't know what scaling algorithm we use. I know some people worked on changing the algorithm, but can't remember who and what the results were/are
20130917 20:42:47< fabi__> scale_surface_sharp claims to use the nearest neighbor.
20130917 20:43:17< fabi__> scale_surface does not tell which algo is used.
20130917 20:46:21< fabi__> boucman: You implemented scale_surface()? Is the algorithm called bilinear interpolation? Or is that only a subpart of the whole process?
20130917 20:47:00< boucman> I didn't but chances are high that this is the whole algorithm, since bilinear interpolation is a scaling algorithm
20130917 20:51:43< fabi__> boucman: Do you think  http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/kopf/pixelart/ would be an alternative for us?
20130917 20:52:05< boucman> fabi__: I know nothing about signal processing...
20130917 20:52:34< fabi__> boucman: No one of the active developers does, right?
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20130917 20:54:09< boucman> not that I know of, no...
20130917 20:54:22< fabi__> :-(
20130917 20:54:54< zookeeper> the important thing about scaling would be how well it works at <2x zoom levels, i'd imagine. if you scale a pixel art tile 8x for some reason, then i don't see much benefit in doing so with a de-pixeling algorithm.
20130917 20:55:36< zookeeper> talking about wesnoth, obviously, not scaling in general.
20130917 20:56:50< fabi__> I think the scale2x is a good choice for lower zoom levels.
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20130917 20:57:19< fabi__> For my purpose I need a good one at 8x and 16x.
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20130917 21:01:02< fabi__> hi R2D2C3PO
20130917 21:01:28< fabi__> My nickname was once R23D.
20130917 21:04:22< AI0867> fabi__: we have a modified bilinear as well as nearest-neighbor
20130917 21:04:27< AI0867> the modified bit being that it ignores transparent pixels
20130917 21:04:37< AI0867> it assumes that those equal the average of the pixels that do matter
20130917 21:05:15< AI0867> I have some work in progress stuff somewhere that should become a bicubic implementation, but I got stuck somewhere (probably the transparency issue)
20130917 21:06:29< fabi__> bilinear and bicubic are claimed to be very basic ones. I think the ones supported by scummvm are quite nice and could be lifted from there without reinventing the wheel.
20130917 21:06:33< R2D2C3PO> Hi to all
20130917 21:11:49< mordante> hi R2D2C3PO 
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20130917 21:29:25< lipkab> shadowm: Is there any reason for not using the brand new radio widget here? http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=62925&mode=view
20130917 21:29:36< lipkab> Or is that GUI1 exclusive?
20130917 21:29:37< shadowm> Yes, read the logs.
20130917 21:29:44< lipkab> Oh, ok.
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20130917 22:13:31< mordante> I'm off night
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