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20130920 00:31:46< justinzane> in unit.[hc]pp, is there a reason we store `team_color` as a string rather than as an ULL or a `SDL_Color`? 
20130920 00:34:27< shadowm> It is the id of a color palette, not a single color.
20130920 00:36:42< shadowm> It may also be the color palette in string (WML value) form if needed by the WML coder. The global palettes (e.g. defined in data/core/team-colors.cfg and other files providing them in a global context) are the mapped type in a std::map<std::string, std::vector<Uint32> > variable declared in src/game_config.hpp.
20130920 00:37:05< shadowm> So the palette type is ultimately a list of Uint32 values.
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20130920 04:13:30< irker385> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:master a457455c698c / po/ (14 files in 14 dirs): Updated the Vietnamese translation. http://git.io/EsVuew
20130920 04:13:47< irker385> wesnoth: Espreon wesnoth-old:1.10 11a0c29882ff / po/ (wesnoth-low/vi.po wesnoth-nr/vi.po wesnoth-units/vi.po wesnoth-utbs/vi.po): Updated the Vietnamese translation http://git.io/iT8KMQ
20130920 04:13:50< shadowm> wesbot: Seen lipkab
20130920 04:13:50< wesbot> shadowm: Person, who 7h 6m ago used nick lipkab, last spoke 2d 6h ago.  6h 44m ago as lipkab2 was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de
20130920 04:14:11< shadowm> It seems somebody doesn't read the logs.
20130920 04:14:36< shadowm> Either that or the response somehow never reached me.
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20130920 08:02:47< shadowm> fabi: I assigned this bug to you: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21137
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20130920 08:07:45< fabi> shadowm: Thank you for taking care. But this bug is LordBob's. He promised to solve it by providing different artwork. I am not sure if he has a gna report.
20130920 08:08:14< fabi> s/report/account
20130920 08:08:24< shadowm> fabi: Why would new artwork solve it?
20130920 08:08:42< fabi> shadowm: The bug is caused because the current one is bigger than a hex field.
20130920 08:09:00< shadowm> And it isn't possible to lift that limitation for this particular case?
20130920 08:09:38< fabi> shadowm: Well, I tried. I would love to make it work. I don't mind if you give if it another try.
20130920 08:10:01< shadowm> I don't understand our rendering pipeline at all and I'd rather not mess with it.
20130920 08:10:27< fabi> shadowm: Yeah, boucman mentioned that it is also a performance issue.
20130920 08:11:07< shadowm> I'm deassigning the bug since lordbob doesn't have a gna.org account.
20130920 08:12:05< fabi> shadowm: Yes. I will ask LordBob to make an account when he is back.
20130920 08:12:30< shadowm> I don't think that's necessary. We never ask artists to make accounts or track art-related issues in the bug tracker.
20130920 08:13:45< fabi> shadowm: In that case, leave it assigned to me. I will take care and just replace the art with the old version if LordBob isn't back before the next release.
20130920 08:14:05< shadowm> Bluh. Okay.
20130920 08:14:16< fabi> Bluh?
20130920 08:14:39< shadowm> Poor Pent, I'm spamming him with ticket assignment change notifications.
20130920 08:14:54< fabi> :-)
20130920 08:15:54< shadowm> loonycyborg: I've got a weird issue here and I'm too lazy to file a bug at the moment. I get the following when attempting to connect to an add-ons server with a valid hostname but no listening campaignd on it:
20130920 08:16:16< shadowm> 20130920 03:16:05 error network: network_asio::error thrown during transaction with add-on server; "Broken pipe"
20130920 08:16:20< shadowm> 20130920 03:16:05 error general: Remote host disconnected.
20130920 08:17:40< shadowm> loonycyborg: What isn't obvious from the output is that the game quits because the network_asio::error exception (it's a subclass of game::error) is somehow thrown again after the handler in src/addon/manager_ui.cpp line 979 is run/while it is running, so it is caught by main()'s game::error handler.
20130920 08:18:15< shadowm> The game appears to quit while executing the gui2::show_error_message() function call.
20130920 08:19:03< shadowm> A backtrace shows that somehow there's an implementation detail of gui2::tnetwork_transmission (the network progress dialog) involved at that point: http://pastebin.com/R4phP62p
20130920 08:20:28< shadowm> Given that my gui2::tnetwork_transmission object (as a field of the addons_client object declared in src/addon/manager_ui.cpp) is supposed to have been destroyed at this point, I suspect that gui2::tnetwork_transmission or one of its object isn't performing some required clean-up step in its destructor.
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20130920 08:21:05< shadowm> *declared in src/addon/manager_ui.cpp line 937 (in <anonymous>::addons_manager_ui())
20130920 08:22:25< shadowm> addons_client's destructor destroys its associated gui2::tnetwork_transmission first, then the network_asio::connection object.
20130920 08:23:34< shadowm> Not sure if I'm supposed to do something myself before their destructors get invoked.
20130920 08:24:12< shadowm> This problem only affects 1.11.x (all versions), and only when trying to connect to a valid hostname with no listener.
20130920 08:26:08< shadowm> Then again, the 1.10 version doesn't do anything special.
20130920 08:26:52< shadowm> Well, it doesn't use new/delete to manage the network_asio::connection and gui2::tnetwork_transmission objects, and that's it.
20130920 08:27:17< fabi> The wiki is down :-(
20130920 08:27:23< shadowm> Backup job.
20130920 08:27:33< fabi> ah
20130920 08:37:17< fabi> It seems you can only filter for terrain strings in SLF. I would rather like to filter for the terrain's id. But I am not sure before the backup finished and I can visit the WML reference.
20130920 08:37:34< zookeeper> you can't (atm) filter for the id
20130920 08:37:42< fabi> cool
20130920 08:38:38< shadowm> Yeah, it's cool. People are required to learn to do things the Wesnoth way rather than applying whatever silly notions they may have acquired elsewhere.
20130920 08:38:54< shadowm> This allows for simpler code and less things to remember.
20130920 08:39:31< shadowm> It would be a shame if someone decided we needed more than one terrain qualification system.
20130920 08:42:43< fabi> I disagree, not in general, but in this case. The filter for the strings needs to cover every string possible including addons which provide new terrain. Filtering for id=flat for example, is a much better solution when I want to cover every terrain that is based on flat.
20130920 08:42:49< shadowm> Blargh.
20130920 08:43:44< shadowm> Filter for terrains aliasing Gt instead.
20130920 08:45:55< fabi> Okay, the wiki is back. I see. You can use wildcards. Your advice will work.
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20130920 08:53:32< shadowm> lipkab: Do you read the logs?
20130920 08:53:58< lipkab> shadowm: Usually not.
20130920 08:54:18< lipkab> Guess I should do so now, though?
20130920 08:54:21< shadowm> 06:38 <shadowm> lipkab: How would you prefer me to provide feedback on the MP game setup UI changes? Some forum thread, or just IRC?
20130920 08:54:25< shadowm> 06:40 <shadowm> mattsc, other AI people: Please don't forget RELEASE_NOTES for any changes you feel are important for players/content authors to read about in the announcement for the next release, whenever that'll take place.
20130920 08:54:29< shadowm> 06:41 <shadowm> lipkab: Actually, the same thing applies to you, seeing as how the MP setup UI changes take up four lines in the changelog.
20130920 08:55:15< lipkab> shadowm: Either way is fine for me.
20130920 08:55:33< lipkab> (Although I don't have time for a long discussion atm)
20130920 08:55:42< shadowm> What's the forum thread?
20130920 08:56:45< lipkab> shadowm: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=38748
20130920 08:58:56< shadowm> Um.
20130920 08:59:10< shadowm> _Any_ single-player campaign can be used in MP now? Huh?
20130920 09:00:01< fabi> Yeah, it works like a charm, thank you shadowm and zookeeper.
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20130920 09:11:03< shadowm> vultraz: Still too busy to help me test that external branch on OS X "sometime"?
20130920 09:11:47< vultraz> oh fuck
20130920 09:11:53< vultraz> forgot about that
20130920 09:11:54< shadowm> Ew.
20130920 09:13:16< vultraz> I guess I have to 
20130920 09:13:36< vultraz> what's the branch again/what do I have to do
20130920 09:14:17< shadowm> I remember pasting some nice instructions in my channel that day. Sigh.
20130920 09:16:05< fabi> shadowm: Only if you start with --debug iirc.
20130920 09:16:55< vultraz> shadowm: yes, but I have lost the logs
20130920 09:17:02< shadowm> vultraz: http://pastebin.com/qTWbEv0f
20130920 09:18:07< shadowm> fabi: Ah yes, that's it.
20130920 09:18:51< vultraz> ok
20130920 09:18:56< vultraz> will do
20130920 09:19:23< shadowm> I've not merged upstream changes on it, so it'll be a little old.
20130920 09:19:41< shadowm> This is by design since I do not want to pollute the public-facing branch right now.
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20130920 15:00:04< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master ebc8b3b7f543 / src/ (multiplayer.cpp multiplayer.hpp playcampaign.cpp): Handle observers for non-first "allow_new_game=yes" scenarios. http://git.io/oIRpfQ
20130920 15:00:04< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 7d704687be09 / src/multiplayer_create.cpp: Added out-of-range check for level selection (mp::create). http://git.io/w5a-aw
20130920 15:00:04< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master f57b29fc13f2 / src/ (mp_game_utils.cpp mp_game_utils.hpp multiplayer_wait.cpp multiplayer_wait.hpp): Moved level download utility functions to mp::wait. http://git.io/JNgKmw
20130920 15:00:10< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master e3ceed9ee22e / src/ (playmp_controller.cpp playsingle_controller.cpp playsingle_controller.hpp): Use a function to update "End Turn" button's and menu item's state. http://git.io/-vVeAg
20130920 15:00:11< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 2932d3088ddc / src/server/ (game.cpp server.cpp): Fixed non-host players being unnotified about next_scenario data. http://git.io/Yug36w
20130920 15:00:11< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 45b84aa4a59f / src/multiplayer_connect_engine.cpp: Remove unnecessary check in side_engine::available_for_user(). http://git.io/cd4Gog
20130920 15:00:11< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master f8c39ca3f1d9 / src/multiplayer_connect_engine.cpp: Fixed "current_player" being assigned incorrectly (mp::connect_engine). http://git.io/2FiPzA
20130920 15:00:12< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 1e7668e7ab6a / src/multiplayer_connect_engine.cpp: Revert 0ac9f9c and adjust controllers set up. http://git.io/6mtPdQ
20130920 15:00:13< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master a53a6f575881 / src/server/game.cpp: Don't count side with controller="reserved" as available. http://git.io/gH66hw
20130920 15:00:15< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master ee68f9955197 / src/ (flg_manager.cpp multiplayer_connect_engine.cpp): Keep default "recruit" for correct faction lists initialization. http://git.io/jNzoXw
20130920 15:00:17< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master ec2e592dcc51 / src/ (multiplayer_wait.cpp multiplayer_wait.hpp): Add missing out-of-range checks (mp::wait). http://git.io/i_QIFw
20130920 15:00:20< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 359597921fb2 / src/multiplayer_lobby.cpp: Fixed game's description in lobby. http://git.io/tCfPGQ
20130920 15:00:21< irker439> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 50460f2596ae / src/ (5 files): Reload game config in mp::wait. http://git.io/MfXxeg
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20130920 15:16:15 * Soliton would like to take the opportunity again to point out that unnotified is not a word. ;-)
20130920 15:17:25< lipkab> Is "unhide" one? :P
20130920 15:17:39< lipkab> Or "unstore", for that matter.
20130920 15:17:50< Soliton> sure.
20130920 15:18:01< lipkab> Huh?
20130920 15:18:22< Soliton> all of those also make sense. while i don't even know what unnotified is supposed to mean.
20130920 15:18:52< Soliton> my best guess is "not notified".
20130920 15:20:00< lipkab> Well, if you're unnotified of something, you're probably unaware of it!
20130920 15:20:22< lipkab> Or I don't know.
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20130920 15:22:20< thunderstruck> A quick google search shows that it is a word.
20130920 15:22:35< thunderstruck> Even if it's not and I'm wrong, it still should be obvious what "un" prefix does to a word.
20130920 15:23:34< Soliton> well, my dictionary doesn't know it and as mentioned i have no idea what it's supposed to mean.
20130920 15:23:56< fabi> zookeeper2, shadowm and others: I am going to implement a filter for unit ids which also considers the base units.
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20130920 15:26:55< fabi> The reason is that I can't see a good way to bind [event]s in [unit_type]/[unit] to derived units.
20130920 15:28:09< zookeeper> "bind [event]s in [unit_type]/[unit] to derived units" meaning... uh, what?
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20130920 15:29:48< zookeeper> i'm not sure why you'd rather not do it the old-fashioned way by defining all the id's and worry about perfection like that if/when you might need to sometime in the future
20130920 15:30:56< zookeeper> you know what units your mod has, it's not a problem to just list all derivative unit id's someplace to make the event work for all derived units too
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20130920 15:37:58< mattsc> shadowm: I do read the logs (or at least I search them for my nick), but thanks for the reminder because I was going to ask a question back and then was busy with other things and forgot.
20130920 15:39:40< mattsc> Personally, I think that adding a new little Micro AI is not important enough to be put into the RELEASE_NOTES (I did put the introduction of the MAI functionality itself in).  Does that sound right?
20130920 15:39:53< mattsc> Besides that, most of the AI work has just been bug fixes recently ...
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20130920 15:41:10< mattsc> Well, flix is doing much more than that, but I don't know when that will be ready.
20130920 15:41:28< fabi> zookeeper: Binding events means that I need a way to make sure that the event's effects only apply to the unit_type in question. I guess from your further sentences that this is already understood.
20130920 15:42:42< fabi> Sure, I can extract every unit id from derived units and hardcode them into the events of the parent units.
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20130920 15:44:46< fabi> This looks pretty much like an anti pattern. The extra filter is a few more lines of simple code, in case the attribute is missing it is only a single comparison with little runtime. 
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20130920 16:19:50< thunderstruck> groggy: Good catch :) I'm not sure yet, if "new_game_title" should be translatable.
20130920 16:19:55< thunderstruck> fabi ^
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20130920 16:48:26< fabi> hi thunderstruck
20130920 16:50:00< fabi> thunderstruck: I guess it should be translatable.
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20130920 16:53:43< thunderstruck> Hello fabi. I will make it translatable then.
20130920 16:53:51< fabi> :-)
20130920 16:55:39< thunderstruck> By the way, LoW should be somewhat working correctly in MP.
20130920 16:55:54< thunderstruck> I'll play test 1st chapter using 2 clients soon.
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20130920 20:54:46< fabi> thunderstruck: cool
20130920 20:55:13< fabi> thunderstruck: I think you should recruit a second, later third and fourth player.
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20130920 21:11:07< irker892> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 8fa57b41508c / data/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Mark "new_game_title" as translatable in wmllint. http://git.io/frjAfA
20130920 21:11:07< irker892> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 4211c2057974 / changelog players_changelog: Updated changelogs. http://git.io/e2odrg
20130920 21:13:04< thunderstruck> fabi: I'm not exactly sure what do you mean by that. Could you rephrase it?
20130920 21:14:25< fabi> thunderstruck: Don't play it alone, search for other humans to play it :-)
20130920 21:16:20< fabi> thunderstruck: I have divided the recruit and recall lists of the players to enforce more team work. I mean, Cleodil can recruit healers but she has no access to a good tank unit. The others have tank units but no healers. If you play every side yourself coordinating this is much easier.
20130920 21:16:51< thunderstruck> fabi: That's true. I have to go now. Bye.
20130920 21:17:00< fabi> thunderstruck: I am pretty much interested in how well this enforced teamwork is working.
20130920 21:17:07< fabi> thunderstruck: Bye.
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20130920 22:40:12< justinzane> in src/sdl_utils.[ch]pp, surface_blur() is helpfully commented "Cross-fades a surface". I've only ever heard crossfade used in an audio mixing sense. Is surface_blur supposed to "blur" as would be familiar to users of GiMP or imagemagick? 
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