--- Log opened Mon Sep 23 00:00:08 2013 20130923 00:00:24-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-243-23-104.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 00:00:24< travis-ci> [travis-ci] wesnoth/wesnoth-old#589 (master - 50f97f0 : JaMiT): The build was fixed. 20130923 00:00:24< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/builds/11666799 20130923 00:00:24-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-243-23-104.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20130923 00:01:52-!- skyfaller [~skyfaller@wikipedia/Skyfaller] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130923 00:10:12-!- un214 [~un214@2602:304:37b8:c189:224:8cff:fed2:ef57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130923 00:28:10-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@f054150024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 20130923 00:28:45< AI0867> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ 20130923 00:29:21< AI0867> I am amused by the love for --no-ff, as opposed to what people around here tend to think about merge commits 20130923 00:38:54< fabi> :-) 20130923 00:40:10< fabi> Gambit: You put it right: Right wing as shit :-) 20130923 00:48:21-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d155109.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20130923 00:56:20-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@g224184026.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130923 01:16:22-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@cpc3-sgyl27-2-0-cust146.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 01:16:32-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20130923 01:23:24-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@cpc3-sgyl27-2-0-cust146.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20130923 01:23:30-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@cpc3-sgyl27-2-0-cust146.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 01:27:24-!- stikonas__ [~gentoo@cpc3-sgyl27-2-0-cust146.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20130923 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Today I will be available until ~19:00, then offline for about an hour, then online again till ~23:00 20130923 17:22:21< flix> Crab_: pong. Okay, I'm just about to commit to master. If you want, have a look at the last two commits. 20130923 17:23:06< Crab_> flix: looked at them already. what about the data/ai/ais/ai_default_rca.cfg flix_recruitment leftover? 20130923 17:23:22< flix> Crab_: I fixed the bug you mentioned (2.) 20130923 17:23:43< Crab_> ok 20130923 17:24:23< flix> Crab_: ai_default_rca.cfg is one of the files I changed like every two days to change the default ais, so I never committed the proper version to my fork 20130923 17:25:46< flix> Crab_: After all, this file stays unchanged and only the macro "{AI_CA_RECRUITMENT}" will change anyway, right? 20130923 17:26:40< Crab_> flix: I was just looking at flix_recruitment branch and only saw one of the fixes there, but not the other 20130923 17:26:43< Crab_> flix: yes, you're right about changing the macro 20130923 17:27:38< Crab_> (e.g. https://github.com/flixx/wesnoth-old/blob/flix_recruitment/data/ai/ais/ai_default_rca.cfg still contains the old ref) 20130923 17:29:18-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20130923 17:29:30-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 17:29:30-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: current repo: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old (Please read the dev-ml for the latest status!) | 0 bugs, 0 feature requests, 0 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20130923 17:29:30-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Sat Aug 24 14:34:05 2013] 20130923 17:29:30[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20130923 17:29:30[ _8680_ ] [ enchilado ] [ knotwork ] [ Soliton ] 20130923 17:29:30[ _Coffee ] [ Espreon ] [ Kostic ] [ stikonas_ ] 20130923 17:29:30[ AI0867 ] [ esr ] [ lipkab3 ] [ thunderstruck] 20130923 17:29:30[ apoi ] [ exciton ] [ lobby ] [ timotei__ ] 20130923 17:29:30[ Ardonik ] [ fabi ] [ loonycyborg] [ ToBeFree ] 20130923 17:29:30[ balrog ] [ flix ] [ LordBob_ ] [ tomreyn ] 20130923 17:29:30[ boucman_work ] [ Gallaecio ] [ Mara_Jade ] [ TooLmaN ] 20130923 17:29:30[ bumbadadabum ] [ H-Hour ] [ melinath ] [ Upth ] 20130923 17:29:30[ cjhopman__ ] [ happygrue ] [ mjs-de ] [ Upthorn ] 20130923 17:29:30[ Crab_ ] [ Ingmar ] [ molgrum ] [ Vandal ] 20130923 17:29:30[ Crendgrim ] [ irker514 ] [ nurupo|away] [ vultraz ] 20130923 17:29:30[ crimson_penguin] [ Ivanovic ] [ Rhonda ] [ wesbot ] 20130923 17:29:30[ DHost ] [ iwaim__ ] [ sabban__ ] [ yann ] 20130923 17:29:30[ ejls ] [ janebot ] [ shadowm ] [ zookeeper ] 20130923 17:29:30[ elias ] [ Jetrel_new] [ shikadibot ] [ {V} ] 20130923 17:29:30[ EliDupree ] [ justinzane] [ Smar ] 20130923 17:29:30-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 63 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 63 normal] 20130923 17:29:59< flix> Crab_: Yes, that's wrong there. I'll change it there, but all future changes I'll do on the master branch. 20130923 17:30:05-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009 20130923 17:30:49< Crab_> flix: ok, good. I have played vs the new recruitment, and I liked it, so thanks for the work :) 20130923 17:30:50< Crab_> From the campaign author point of view, I'd like the feature I've written about in my email - make sure AI always recruits on first turn without having to tune the recruitment parameters for each scenario/difficulty level. 20130923 17:31:26< Crab_> also, I'd really like the code to not crash - e.g. "not recruiting" is better than segfaulting/failing assert. 20130923 17:32:08< Crab_> I'm sure that there are no serious problems in the code, but there might be minor bugs in weird scenarios (like the 'no enemies' situation in LoW 2). and if such a version gets out, it would be a big problem for players. 20130923 17:32:41-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth-dev was synced in 199 secs 20130923 17:32:41< Crab_> and, "the AI doesn't recruit" is a better problem to have 20130923 17:34:25-!- lipkab3 is now known as lipkab 20130923 17:34:31< flix> Crab_: Cool. I think my CA is now quite save against such things. E.g when a invalid unit-type is found a WML-Error will pop up now :) . Let's talk about the future request later. I first want to discuss something else: default values of the aspect. 20130923 17:37:56< flix> Crab_: The thing is that the AI does quite bad in tests with the default values. Especally with this gold saving. It turned out, that the AI will always do better if it spend all money immediately. (I had hard times to accept this, but the AI with gold saving deactivated will always do better in tests.) 20130923 17:38:55-!- stikonas_ [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20130923 17:39:30< flix> Crab_: But I still think it's fun to play against those "wave-like" recruiting in special cases. But if you want a strong AI, I recommend to deactivate this by default. 20130923 17:41:30< Crab_> flix: I like wave-like recruiting, actually 20130923 17:41:35< flix> Crab_: The thing is that in AI vs. AI games the team with more units will always do better in village-capturing. And to have one or two villages more seems to be more significant then saving a bit gold here and there or wait to counter-recruit. 20130923 17:41:59< Crab_> flix: I just want an easy way to make it recruit on first turn, without having to tune it for each campaign and diff level. 20130923 17:44:53< flix> Crab_: Well, I have 3 solutions for this in mind: 1. The solution you mentioned (with save_all_gold = -2), 2. A new key for the aspect (like active_in_first_turn=no). Or a macro that will expand to a [facet] that will be active in the first turn. 20130923 17:45:01-!- mattsc [~mattsc@fw.hia.nrc.ca] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 17:45:14< flix> I like the macro solution. But I'm not sure if this will work this way. 20130923 17:47:00< Crab_> flix: I'd actually like something simpler instead, either a key or new special value for 'save_all_gold' 20130923 17:47:25< Crab_> facets are hard to deal with in some cases, if you have more than 1 and want to modify them. 20130923 17:49:15< flix> Crab_: Okay, then I prefer the extra key. It looks kind of unclean to do this with spend_all_gold. It shouldn't be hard to extend it. 20130923 17:51:08< Crab_> flix: ok 20130923 17:53:52< flix> Crab_: Okay. Some other things FYI: The AI does best if 1. save gold is deactivated (like I set) 2. recruitment_randomness = 0, 3. recruitment_diversity = 0, and surprisingly 4. villages_per_scout = 0 (so the AI will not recruit scouts at the beginning). 20130923 17:55:01< flix> Crab_: I thought I add this things to the wiki page as well. (Under =Let the AI to recruit strong= or something) 20130923 17:55:32< flix> s/set/said 20130923 17:56:06< Crab_> flix: you meant 'if save gold is activated' ? 20130923 17:56:06< mattsc> Hi flix: I don't want to distract you from finishing this up, but out of curiosity: have you tested your recruiter against Alarantalara's Recruitment AI? 20130923 17:56:54< flix> mattsc: No, I can do it today, but I'm quite confident :) 20130923 17:56:54< flix> Crab_: no, the AI will do better if save gold is deactivated. 20130923 17:57:22< Crab_> flix: vs human as well? 20130923 17:57:51< mattsc> flix: :) I assume you know that the ExpAI includes more than just recruiting, so you don't want to use that, but isolate the recruiting CA (which can be set up as a Micro AI). 20130923 18:03:44-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 18:03:44-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: current repo: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old (Please read the dev-ml for the latest status!) | 0 bugs, 0 feature requests, 0 patches | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20130923 18:03:44-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Sat Aug 24 14:34:05 2013] 20130923 18:03:44[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20130923 18:03:44[ _8680_ ] [ enchilado ] [ knotwork ] [ Smar ] 20130923 18:03:44[ _Coffee ] [ Espreon ] [ Kostic ] [ thunderstruck] 20130923 18:03:44[ AI0867 ] [ esr ] [ lipkab ] [ timotei__ ] 20130923 18:03:44[ apoi ] [ exciton ] [ lobby ] [ ToBeFree ] 20130923 18:03:44[ Ardonik ] [ fabi ] [ loonycyborg] [ tomreyn ] 20130923 18:03:44[ balrog ] [ flix ] [ LordBob_ ] [ TooLmaN ] 20130923 18:03:44[ boucman_work ] [ Gallaecio ] [ Mara_Jade ] [ Upth ] 20130923 18:03:44[ bumbadadabum ] [ H-Hour ] [ mattsc ] [ Upthorn ] 20130923 18:03:44[ cjhopman__ ] [ happygrue ] [ melinath ] [ Vandal ] 20130923 18:03:44[ Crab_ ] [ Ingmar ] [ mjs-de ] [ vultraz ] 20130923 18:03:44[ Crendgrim ] [ irker514 ] [ molgrum ] [ wesbot ] 20130923 18:03:44[ crimson_penguin] [ Ivanovic ] [ nurupo|away] [ yann ] 20130923 18:03:44[ DHost ] [ iwaim__ ] [ Rhonda ] [ zookeeper ] 20130923 18:03:44[ ejls ] [ janebot ] [ sabban__ ] [ {V} ] 20130923 18:03:44[ elias ] [ Jetrel_new] [ shadowm ] 20130923 18:03:44[ EliDupree ] [ justinzane] [ shikadibot ] 20130923 18:03:44-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 62 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 62 normal] 20130923 18:03:51-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009 20130923 18:03:54< irker514> wesnoth: flix wesnoth-old:master dc72d7b67e60 / src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add new recruitment CA. http://git.io/otG7Jg 20130923 18:03:57-!- Soliton [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 18:04:01< LordBob_> have they? "Mutti" Merkel was elected once again, though 20130923 18:04:29< fabi> Sadly. 20130923 18:04:32< fabi> Well not really. 20130923 18:04:43< fabi> She needs a partner. 20130923 18:05:10-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth-dev was synced in 95 secs 20130923 18:05:11< fabi> If all left winged political parties would collaborate they could avoid her. 20130923 18:05:25< LordBob_> Ah. And that partner won't be the liberals this time because they got a low score, right ? 20130923 18:05:35< fabi> Yes 20130923 18:05:50< fabi> In Germany you have to reach at least 5% of all votes to get any seat. 20130923 18:06:10< LordBob_> so, have you been partying over that ? :D 20130923 18:06:26< fabi> Indeed. With good old Scotch Whiskey. 20130923 18:06:40< Crab_> flix: can you explain your question, then? what difficulty selection you're asking about? 20130923 18:06:48< lipkab> Let's discuss Hungarian politics instead. 20130923 18:07:38< fabi> LordBob_: But most likely Merkel will find one partner on the left and continue to rule. Thus the only thing to celebrate is the failure of the Liberals. 20130923 18:07:50< fabi> Sure 20130923 18:07:51-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.161.195.68] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 18:09:20< fabi> lipkab: What is going on in Hungarian? 20130923 18:09:20< LordBob_> Sure. 20130923 18:09:20< lipkab> We have defeated everyone, if the government is to be believed. 20130923 18:09:20-!- boucman_work [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20130923 18:09:20< fabi> During WW2? 20130923 18:09:39< lipkab> Germany included! 20130923 18:09:42< fabi> Ah, it was your rotten country! 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Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20130923 20:18:35-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Sat Aug 24 14:34:05 2013] 20130923 20:18:35[Users #wesnoth-dev] 20130923 20:18:35[ _8680_ ] [ enchilado ] [ justinzane ] [ Soliton ] 20130923 20:18:35[ _Coffee ] [ Espreon ] [ knotwork ] [ stikonas ] 20130923 20:18:35[ AI0867 ] [ esr ] [ lipkab ] [ thunderstruck] 20130923 20:18:35[ apoi ] [ exciton ] [ lobby ] [ timotei__ ] 20130923 20:18:35[ Ardonik ] [ fabi ] [ loonycyborg] [ ToBeFree ] 20130923 20:18:35[ balrog ] [ flix ] [ Mara_Jade ] [ tomreyn ] 20130923 20:18:35[ boucman ] [ Gallaecio ] [ melinath ] [ TooLmaN ] 20130923 20:18:35[ bumbadadabum ] [ H-Hour ] [ mjs-de ] [ trademark_ ] 20130923 20:18:35[ cjhopman__ ] [ happygrue ] [ molgrum ] [ Upth ] 20130923 20:18:35[ Crab_ ] [ Ingmar ] [ nurupo|away] [ Upthorn ] 20130923 20:18:35[ Crendgrim ] [ irker514 ] [ rei4dan ] [ Vandal ] 20130923 20:18:35[ crimson_penguin] [ Ivanovic ] [ Rhonda ] [ vultraz ] 20130923 20:18:35[ DHost ] [ iwaim__ ] [ sabban__ ] [ wesbot ] 20130923 20:18:35[ ejls ] [ janebot ] [ shadowm ] [ yann ] 20130923 20:18:35[ elias ] [ jetrel_laptop] [ shikadibot ] [ zookeeper ] 20130923 20:18:35[ EliDupree ] [ Jetrel_new ] [ Smar ] [ {V} ] 20130923 20:18:35-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 64 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 64 normal] 20130923 20:18:50-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009 20130923 20:20:09-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth-dev was synced in 103 secs 20130923 20:20:38-!- Elvish_Hunter [6d345ae0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.52.90.224] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 20:21:25< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all 20130923 20:22:24-!- rei4dan [~reinis@84.237.179.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20130923 20:23:51-!- rei4dan [~reinis@84.237.179.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 20:24:05< Elvish_Hunter> shadowm, groggy: as promised, I prepared the wmllint patch for the ellipses question: http://pastebin.com/Q8Y0XNTu 20130923 20:24:42-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.161.195.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20130923 20:24:53< Elvish_Hunter> Basically, it works in this way: it checks if we're inside a [unit], [unit_type], [side] or [effect] tag. 20130923 20:25:27< Elvish_Hunter> If it finds one of the two ellipses that now are handled by the C++ engine, it asks to remove them. 20130923 20:26:18< Elvish_Hunter> I'm however undecided on how to proceed about the ellipse-none situation from AtS. 20130923 20:26:47< Elvish_Hunter> For now, as you can see, I added a placeholder line that warns that the ellipse may need to be updated. 20130923 20:28:09< Elvish_Hunter> That's however a quite cryptic message. shadowm, since (AFAIK) you're the only one that uses a custom ellipse in his campaign (it doesn't matter that it's transparent)... 20130923 20:28:48< Elvish_Hunter> ... do you have any suggestion for a more understandable message to warn the user to add three more ellipse variations? 20130923 20:29:43-!- knotwork [~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20130923 20:31:41-!- Samual [diotecktec@xonotic/core-team/Samual] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 20:32:19-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130923 20:38:37-!- knotwork [~markm@142.68.211.141] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 20:38:37-!- knotwork [~markm@142.68.211.141] has quit [Changing host] 20130923 20:38:38-!- knotwork [~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 20:40:41-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.160.60.238] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 20:46:40-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.160.60.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20130923 20:59:26-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.160.60.238] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 21:05:38-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.160.60.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20130923 21:07:00-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20130923 21:10:40-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 21:13:59< Ivanovic> Crab_, mordante, flix, thunderstruck, trademark: gsoc now accepts the final evals 20130923 21:14:06< Ivanovic> please make sure to submit them until the end of the week 20130923 21:14:21< Crab_> Ivanovic: will do so (on tuesday) 20130923 21:14:22< Ivanovic> (fixed deadline is friday, so better make sure it is submitted by thursday) 20130923 21:18:04-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.160.167.20] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 21:31:03-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20130923 21:32:35-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 21:34:25-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20130923 21:34:35-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 21:35:46-!- LordBob_ [~LordBob_@che33-7-78-232-36-126.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 21:37:26-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20130923 21:38:37-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 21:45:27-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20130923 22:01:35-!- trewe [~trewe@87-196-177-89.net.novis.pt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 22:01:52< Elvish_Hunter> Well, now I have to go. Bye! 20130923 22:02:02-!- Elvish_Hunter [6d345ae0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.52.90.224] has quit [Quit: Ciao!] 20130923 22:03:48-!- wajeemba [~wajeemba@c-174-53-162-42.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 22:19:38-!- wajeemba [~wajeemba@c-174-53-162-42.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20130923 22:26:54-!- TooLmaN [~TooLmaN@mx1.thomsonplastics.com] has quit [Quit: Off to save the world!] 20130923 22:29:57-!- Octalot [~noct@host86-182-32-93.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 22:40:27-!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust174.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20130923 22:41:31-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.160.167.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20130923 22:53:35-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.160.167.20] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 23:07:36-!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust174.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 23:09:44< thunderstruck> I am going to update this page http://wiki.wesnoth.org/MultiplayerCampaigns. Should the info on the current page should be kept somewhere as a possible reference? 20130923 23:09:53< thunderstruck> If so, where? 20130923 23:12:55-!- boucman [~rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 23:17:22-!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust174.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20130923 23:18:20-!- Gambit [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 23:21:27-!- trademark_ [~trademark@37.160.167.20] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20130923 23:22:54< justinzane> Got a build question... How does one use a function from C `.c/.h` in a wesnoth .cpp/hpp file? I cannot seem to get the thing to link. 20130923 23:25:49< justinzane> Oh, and i'm using scons... 20130923 23:26:30-!- H-Hour [~H-Hour@cpc7-sgyl35-2-0-cust428.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20130923 23:30:25-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20130923 23:34:45-!- bumbadadabum [~bumbadada@d155109.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20130923 23:47:41< AI0867> justinzane: er, what are you trying to do? Add a new file that's written in C? 20130923 23:48:12< AI0867> we've done that from time to time, but the question is, why? 20130923 23:49:14< justinzane> yea, though temporarily. I find it much quicker to write C, so I wrote a couple of functions, tested them as independent executables, and wanted to test them in wesnoth. If they work as expected, I'll port to C++ 20130923 23:49:58 * justinzane learned to write C on a VAX... 20130923 23:50:00< AI0867> well, first off, C should compile just fine as C++ unless you're doing strange stuff 20130923 23:50:24< justinzane> yeah, compiles fine. Linking is the problem. 20130923 23:50:45< AI0867> well, sounds like the problem is unrelated to the "being written in C" part 20130923 23:51:02< AI0867> see src/SConscript 20130923 23:51:11< AI0867> that's where all the objects are linked together 20130923 23:52:33< justinzane> quite possibly... i've added "myfile.c" right before the "sdl_utils.cpp" line in the SConscript. It seems to compile, but then: 20130923 23:52:35< justinzane> g++ -o wesnoth-debug -pthread build/debug/game.o build/debug/libwesnoth_extras.a build/debug/lua/liblua.a build/debug/libwesnoth_core.a build/debug/libwesnoth_sdl.a build/debug/libwesnoth.a -L/usr/lib -lm -lboost_iostreams -lSDL -lSDL_net -lpthread -lboost_system -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lcairo -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lboost_program_options -lboost_regex -lSDL_ttf -lSDL_mixer -lvorbisfile -lSDL_image -lX11 - 20130923 23:52:36< justinzane> ldbus-1 20130923 23:52:42< justinzane> gives: 20130923 23:53:12< justinzane> In function `blur_surface(surface const&, int, bool)': /home/justin/src/wesnoth-old/src/sdl_utils.cpp:1385: undefined reference to `surf2rgba_i' 20130923 23:53:57< AI0867> justinzane: that file is referenced multiple times 20130923 23:54:27 * justinzane facepalm 20130923 23:54:38< AI0867> sdl_utils.cpp that is 20130923 23:54:56< justinzane> Why does it take someone else to make me see the friggin' obvious? Thanks! 20130923 23:55:05< AI0867> only once for wesnoth I think, but there are also other executables that use it 20130923 23:57:33-!- Turuk_ [~Turuk@cpe-65-29-217-233.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20130923 23:57:41< justinzane> for some mysterious reason I included it in wesmage_sources... perhaps writing code before coffee is not a good idea :) 20130923 23:59:03< justinzane> just finished linking... successfully. Now to see how well/poorly my ideas work... 20130923 23:59:18< AI0867> =) 20130923 23:59:47< justinzane> thanks again --- Log closed Tue Sep 24 00:00:23 2013