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20130929 00:04:28< fabi_> hi gfgtdf
20130929 00:04:35< gfgtdf> hi
20130929 00:05:11< gfgtdf> fabi: ^ ?
20130929 00:08:59< fabi_> gfgtdf: Was it you I had the long ranged weapon discussion with?
20130929 00:10:22< gfgtdf> fabi_: i tihnk yes
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20130929 00:11:12< fabi_> gfgtdf: Maybe long range features can be implemented in weapon special.
20130929 00:11:38< gfgtdf> you mena making a new weapon special [long_range] or sometihng like that ?
20130929 00:11:43< gfgtdf> mean
20130929 00:11:45< fabi_> yes
20130929 00:12:34< gfgtdf> but weaon special normal have a filter wich is normaly checked AFTER teh taget unit is selected
20130929 00:12:36< gfgtdf> the
20130929 00:13:15< fabi_> is that a problem?
20130929 00:15:48< gfgtdf> well if i understand you right the special should enable the user to select more users as a target, but weapon specials are normal aplied after the taret is chosen, what exaclty were your plans for such a weapon secpial ?
20130929 00:15:51< gfgtdf> fabi: ^
20130929 00:15:56< gfgtdf> fabi_: ^
20130929 00:16:26< gfgtdf> s/users/units
20130929 00:18:14< fabi_> The gui needs to set the battle context and can then evaluate the effects of weapon specials, independent from the selected units.
20130929 00:19:13< fabi_> [long_range] min_range= max_range= 
20130929 00:19:19< fabi_> That simple.
20130929 00:21:38< gfgtdf> fabi_: but i battle_context normaly contains information about the attacker and the defender, i think you need some changes to teh batte_context if you want to do it without the defender.
20130929 00:23:24< gfgtdf> fabi_: i tihnk it would maybe be useful if the user can specify waether the attack can shoot thought unpassable terrain, or things like that
20130929 00:23:46< fabi_> yes
20130929 00:26:04< gfgtdf> AI0867: are you online?
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20130929 01:09:38< AI0867> gfgtdf: sort-of
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20130929 01:47:49< AI0867> gfgtdf: I suppose this is about PR #58?
20130929 01:51:27< gfgtdf> AI0867:  ah ye i did some changes today, are you still planing on merge it? 
20130929 01:54:06< AI0867> yes. I'm not really up-to-date with the discussions there though, did jamit okay things?
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20130929 01:58:33< gfgtdf> AI0867: uhm i implemented the changes jamint sugested.
20130929 01:59:00< AI0867> jamit: poke ^
20130929 01:59:04< AI0867> I'll start merging
20130929 01:59:42< jamit> AI0867: I don't see anything obvious that should be improved in the latest version.
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20130929 02:08:00< gfgtdf> AI0867: are you doing it now?
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20130929 02:23:04< AI0867> gfgtdf: there's a bunch of conflicts. I'm looking into them now
20130929 02:24:42< gfgtdf> AI0867: is there any one outiside of game_events.cpp, gamestatus.hpp, gamestatus.cpp, and play_controller.cpp ?,  inside events.cpp, gamestatus.hpp, gamestatus.cpp everything should be a conflict.
20130929 02:30:01< AI0867> er, what?
20130929 02:30:06< AI0867> no to the first question
20130929 02:30:17< AI0867> and I don't know what you mean with the second
20130929 02:32:42< AI0867> I'm afraid I'm not sure I understand your changes well enough to do these merges =/
20130929 02:33:26< AI0867> (this is one reason why you should frequently merge master back into your branch: keep any conflicts small so they're easy to solve)
20130929 02:35:43< gfgtdf> AI0867: hm maybe you could just merge the pr but not  game_events.cpp, gamestatus.hpp, gamestatus.cpp, and play_controller.cpp, and execute_command and fire_wml_menu_item_event in play_controller.c/hpp , adn tehn i'll make another pull request with the changes in those files?, it should still compile if you do that.
20130929 02:37:42< gfgtdf> AI0867: i'll fix those files then
20130929 02:41:42< AI0867> well, okay, merged one conflict in play_controller.cpp
20130929 02:41:43< gfgtdf> AI0867: in execute_command in play_controller.c/hpp you still have to change the interface then like in all the other .._controler classes
20130929 02:42:24< gfgtdf> AI0867: okay = you'll do it like that or okay = you'll merge the whole pr ?
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20130929 02:49:38< gfgtdf> AI0867: ? i'll go to bed soon
20130929 02:54:43< AI0867> I'm looking at things now, I think I almost have play_controller.cpp figured out
20130929 02:54:51< AI0867> I'll have to see if the other stuff is easier or not
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20130929 07:20:45< justinzane> I've read this several times, and each time it makes less sense:
20130929 07:22:09< justinzane> /* The name of the terrain is the terrain itself, The underlying terrain is the name of the terrain for game-logic purposes. I.e. if the terrain is simply an alias, the underlying terrain name is the name of the terrain that it's aliased to. */
20130929 07:24:00< justinzane> terrain.name == terrain && underlying_terrain == terrain.name ???
20130929 07:25:23< justinzane> According to that, the "name of the terrain" and the "underlying terrain" are redundant. 
20130929 07:25:35< justinzane> This all, from map.hpp
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20130929 07:44:13< justinzane> So can someone please explain that better, please.
20130929 08:06:07< AI0867> ugh, I'm finding include order issues during the merge (existing bugs that didn't show up until now)
20130929 08:06:56< AI0867> justinzane: I think a better explanation would be that you can have terrain variants that are identical in game mechanics, but visually different
20130929 08:07:21< AI0867> see all the different types of grass, water, forest and the like
20130929 08:07:41< AI0867> feel free to update that comment to something you'd understand the first time you read it
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20130929 08:12:23< justinzane> AI0867: Ahh, the logical vs the presentational. 
20130929 08:13:38< justinzane> until you explained it, it made no sense. thanks.
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20130929 09:53:30< travis-ci> [travis-ci] AI0867/wesnoth-old#12 (gfgtdf-master - 3bb03f0 : Alexander van Gessel): The build passed.
20130929 09:53:30< travis-ci> [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/AI0867/wesnoth-old/builds/11921732
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20130929 14:04:41< irker233> wesnoth: Andrius Silinskas wesnoth-old:master 1e12f9d19de3 / src/ (multiplayer_create.cpp multiplayer_create.hpp): Added default description for mp::create description textbox. http://git.io/W3cBwg
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20130929 18:21:53< justinzane> in map.hpp, there are a number of functions that process border size as an int; yet tborder only has two choides: 0 tile border or 1 tile border.
20130929 18:22:39< zookeeper> when the map borders were originally added, i believe the intention was to allow arbitrary sizes
20130929 18:23:02< zookeeper> maybe. it was so long ago.
20130929 18:23:46< justinzane> so, since it appears that that is no longer significant, can we refactor to the simpler boolean case of border/no_border?
20130929 18:24:43< zookeeper> i guess, if there's some particularly important reason for that. otherwise why not leave it there so if someone wants to extend it in the future, it'll be easier?
20130929 18:28:42< jamit> justinzane: I seem to recall that in some places, the border is used in arithmetic, either adding to or subtracting from other ints. Would a boolean make those calculations simpler or more complex?
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20130929 18:31:18< justinzane> jamit: zookeeper, my initial thought -- looking at the refactoring now -- is that it would remove some functions and calculations that are done based on an unused option.
20130929 18:31:54< jamit> Do you have an example of such a function/calculation?
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20130929 18:39:07< justinzane> jamit: I'm doing the refactoring now, just to see how complicated/simple it makes things. 
20130929 18:39:34 * justinzane loves the freedom to do stupid sh*t and then git reset --hard :)
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20130929 18:42:42< mattsc> hi zookeeper.  I agree that SotBE is too easy for an expert level campaign.
20130929 18:46:10< AI0867> jamit: do you mean the current first commit or the creation of the pull request? There've been quite a number of force pushes to #58
20130929 18:47:04< AI0867> (and I believe it may be a cleanup of an earlier PR)
20130929 18:47:13< jamit> AI0867: The first commit. I couldn't figure out how to get a precise date that the pull request was opened.
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20130929 18:48:09< jamit> I don't know why "2 months ago" is supposed to be an improvement over hard dates.
20130929 18:48:12< AI0867> hold your mouse over the pull request's description date
20130929 18:48:20< AI0867> it'll give you an exact one
20130929 18:48:57< AI0867> I seem to be wrong about the it being a cleanup of an earlier one though
20130929 18:48:59< jamit> Ah...
20130929 18:49:04< AI0867> may have confused it with a different one
20130929 18:49:27< AI0867> anyway, dinner
20130929 18:50:31< jamit> So it was opened about two weeks after I sent the email to wesnoth-dev.
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20130929 19:41:05< mordante> servus
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20130929 20:55:11< Crendgrim> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35996
20130929 20:55:14< Crendgrim> how is such a case handled when there is no translation maintainer for Polish?
20130929 20:56:12< zookeeper> i guess it's handled in whatever way someone who volunteers to handle it wants to handle it :p
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20130929 20:59:21< irker206> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 0edb2f43aa0f / src/CMakeLists.txt: Allow warnings in desktop_util.cpp. http://git.io/d7pcjw
20130929 20:59:23< irker206> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth-old:master 9d35b1372fc6 / src/variable.hpp: Don't use an implicit cast to bool. http://git.io/4eVRoQ
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20130929 21:37:24< thunderstruck> Hello mordante. Could you remind how should I make my date translations patch safe from static initialization fiasco?
20130929 21:37:34< thunderstruck> The link you sent me doesn't work anymore.
20130929 21:40:40< mordante> thunderstruck, can't remember the exact link or the exact problem, was it a global variable ?
20130929 21:40:54< mordante> used as a singleton?
20130929 21:41:01< thunderstruck> Yes, that was the case.
20130929 21:42:54< mordante> then you are looking for something like http://paste.debian.net/47360/
20130929 21:44:09< thunderstruck> Thanks.
20130929 21:44:19< thunderstruck> By the way, any reason to return reference to an int?
20130929 21:47:44< thunderstruck> Nevermind, forgot that someone will have to modify that variable.
20130929 21:48:11< mordante> you're welcome
20130929 21:54:19< mordante> I'm off bye
20130929 21:59:27< thunderstruck> bye
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