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I can not help but think of the advantages now that XML is being merged with HTML5, the staple diet of browsers. 20130901 07:47:00< adityarajbhatt> *has been merged already 20130901 07:49:12< adityarajbhatt> By the way, what is AMLA in BfW? 20130901 07:49:28< _8680_> How is that an advantage? You would want to be able to view WML in a Web browser (as something other than plain text)? 20130901 07:49:29< vultraz> After Maximum Level Advancement 20130901 07:50:45< _8680_> And, despite the name, WML is not a markup language, but rather a data definition language, so using a dialect of XML would be inappropriate. 20130901 07:52:42< _8680_> (A markup language could certainly be classified as a data definition language, but I was thinking more of something like JSON.) 20130901 07:53:02< adityarajbhatt> Okay. I was just thinking that having HTML5 compatibility would be huge plus, through integration in web browsers. I have not really thought it out. 20130901 07:53:14< vultraz> ...what? 20130901 07:53:29< vultraz> WML is for writing scenarios 20130901 07:53:42< adityarajbhatt> It uses tags and other things, does it not? 20130901 07:54:05< adityarajbhatt> I saw some code samples and did not see anything XML could not have done. Any examples? 20130901 07:54:10< vultraz> WML has nothing to do with the internet 20130901 07:55:01< adityarajbhatt> No, what can WML do that could not be implemented by XML? Just curious. 20130901 07:55:36< vultraz> for one, [] looks better than <> 20130901 07:55:51< adityarajbhatt> :) 20130901 07:56:31< adityarajbhatt> Any chance of getting a lisp plugin for programming the AI (rather than lua)? 20130901 07:57:16< _8680_> adityarajbhatt: XML could do anything WML can do (except tag amendment), but why? For one thing, the text content of the XML nodes would be useless. 20130901 07:57:18< vultraz> Probably not 20130901 07:58:30< _8680_> (adityarajbhatt: WML tag amendment: ) 20130901 07:59:10< _8680_> (Or maybe XML has an equivalent feature? I don’t think so.) 20130901 07:59:18< adityarajbhatt> Oh yes, I forgot about that. Just started learning WML yesterday. So tag amendment is adding/appending to the tag from some other part of the code, yes? 20130901 07:59:21< _8680_> Yes. 20130901 07:59:50< adityarajbhatt> And XML _can_ do that, but it is messy (as of now). Thank you. 20130901 08:00:00 * adityarajbhatt wishes lisp would replace lua in wesnoth. 20130901 08:01:10< adityarajbhatt> _8680_: As a sideline, there is no such thing as a "node" in XML. Your content definitions are either elements, or depend on the parser for what they are called. "Node" is just an informal term. 20130901 08:02:20< _8680_> Ah, apologies for my imprecision. 20130901 08:02:41< adityarajbhatt> Exactly how moddable is the engine? Can I remove the level 3 limit from units or create an rpg-style game? I have not had the time to check out the addons but I hope to creat a 4-5-party rpg game. 20130901 08:02:51< adityarajbhatt> *create 20130901 08:03:26< _8680_> There is no “level 3 limit”, its just that most level 3 units don’t have further advancements defined. 20130901 08:03:37< _8680_> s/its/it’s/ 20130901 08:04:00< adityarajbhatt> Oh yes. So can I have further advancements and power ups? 20130901 08:04:19< _8680_> As for making an RPG-like add-on, it’s certainly possible. vultraz has one. 20130901 08:04:33< _8680_> adityarajbhatt: Yes. 20130901 08:04:37< adityarajbhatt> Also, how much can I change the gameplay mechanics (for an rpg)? Inventory, potions and things? 20130901 08:04:50< adityarajbhatt> vultraz: What is the name of your addon? 20130901 08:05:07< _8680_> Yes and yes, and Shadows of Deception. 20130901 08:05:25-!- GambitAffleck [~derek@wesnoth/developer/grickit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130901 08:06:25< adityarajbhatt> Will definitely give it a try. Glad I found a game like this. I had been wanting to contribute to a game for a long time but was scared because of my less than proficient C++ skills. Wesnoth makes it *extremely* easy to try out your own mods. 20130901 08:07:11< _8680_> Shadows of Deception forum thread: ; GitHub page: . 20130901 08:07:54< adityarajbhatt> Wow, looking really nice. 20130901 08:11:26-!- ancestral [~ancestral@65-128-232-98.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go nstuf kthxbai] 20130901 08:13:53-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.219.21.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20130901 08:15:56< adityarajbhatt> Who is Sirp in BfW? 20130901 08:18:27-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@wsip-184-191-171-46.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20130901 08:22:22< Ard0n1k> adityarajbhatt: The creator of the game! 20130901 08:22:29< _8680_> adityarajbhatt: The original lead developer, who has since moved on to another game project (see #frogatto). 20130901 08:23:17< adityarajbhatt> And look, other people also wonder about writing WML from scratch. Eric S Raymond has replied on this thread - http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=775&cpage=1#comment-232635 20130901 08:24:06< adityarajbhatt> Two comments down, esr's reply. I thought the creator was David White? Is sirp his nick? And if he is at frogatto, why is he still listed as the lead developer of BfW? 20130901 08:24:18< adityarajbhatt> In the wiki, homepage and wikipedia too. 20130901 08:26:09< Ard0n1k> He's Wesnoth's BDFL wherever he goes, I think. 20130901 08:27:00-!- ngoclong19 [~Thunderbi@1.54.141.127] has quit [Quit: ngoclong19] 20130901 08:27:21< _8680_> adityarajbhatt: I highly doubt the “elegance” of WML was at all considered. 20130901 08:27:34< _8680_> Yes, Sirp is David White. 20130901 08:28:17< _8680_> As far as I know, he’s still technically the lead developer, he’s just almost never around. In practice, there is no lead developer. 20130901 08:28:52< _8680_> (Disclaimer: I am not a Battle for Wesnoth developer, so I may be giving you an incomplete picture.) 20130901 08:30:04< Ard0n1k> Major agreements (like the switch to git) happen through mailing list consensus. 20130901 08:31:33< adityarajbhatt> All projects seem to be going that way (mostlyt through github). Me, I prefer code.google.com 20130901 08:32:28< _8680_> Also, I believe Sirp’s new project, Anura/Frogatto [, ] initally used WML, but it now uses a variant of JSON for data definition and a functional scripting language for scripting. 20130901 08:35:21< adityarajbhatt> Probably lua. 20130901 08:36:01< _8680_> No, it’s custom. 20130901 08:39:31-!- NoQ [~NoQ@host-87-255-17-177.bigtelecom.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 08:40:00-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.219.21.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 09:19:00-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.219.21.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20130901 09:19:53-!- Gallaecio [~quassel@84.120.219.21.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 09:28:48-!- Unnheulu_ [~unnheulu@host86-147-155-181.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 09:29:23-!- adityarajbhatt [~adityaraj@122.161.57.246] has left #wesnoth ["Thank you all for helping. 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Use a pastebin: http://pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20130901 10:36:27-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Sat Aug 24 14:34:13 2013] 20130901 10:36:27[Users #wesnoth] 20130901 10:36:27[ _8680_ ] [ fabi ] [ loonycyborg] [ shadowm ] 20130901 10:36:27[ adityarajbhatt] [ Gallaecio ] [ MadMerlin ] [ Smar ] 20130901 10:36:27[ apoi ] [ hagabaka ] [ madroach ] [ tdk27 ] 20130901 10:36:27[ Ard0n1k ] [ Haldrik ] [ melinath ] [ thunderstruck ] 20130901 10:36:27[ ArneBab_ ] [ happygrue ] [ molgrum_ ] [ ToBeFree ] 20130901 10:36:27[ BartK ] [ horon ] [ Muad_Dibber] [ UukGoblin ] 20130901 10:36:27[ bhldev ] [ Ivanovic ] [ namad7 ] [ Vorpal ] 20130901 10:36:27[ blarumyrran ] [ iwaim ] [ Necrosporus] [ vultraz ] 20130901 10:36:27[ ChloeD ] [ janebot ] [ NoQ ] [ vultraz_laptop] 20130901 10:36:27[ Cyber_Rock ] [ Jetrel_new] [ Nothing4You] [ wesbot ] 20130901 10:36:27[ cyphase_ ] [ jo-erlend_] [ planetmaker] [ Xjs|moonshine ] 20130901 10:36:27[ elias_US ] [ knotwork ] [ Rhonda ] [ zookeeper ] 20130901 10:36:27[ enchilado ] [ lobby ] [ Samual_ ] 20130901 10:36:27-!- Irssi: #wesnoth: Total of 51 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 51 normal] 20130901 10:36:27-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org 20130901 10:36:32-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006 20130901 10:36:39< NoQ> aha here's the guy! 20130901 10:36:51-!- Soliton [~Soliton@wesnoth/developer/soliton] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 10:37:11< Ard0n1k> I didn't realize the lobby had its own bot these days. 20130901 10:37:25-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth was synced in 66 secs 20130901 10:40:17< adityarajbhatt> A problem people. I have a monitor of 1600x900 (widescreen). When I set the game to that, I see only a little (the tops) of all text that appears at the bottom (in the menus and preferences). Setting the resolution to something other than x900 works (no problem with width). Should I report this? 20130901 10:41:00< adityarajbhatt> I am playing on the trunk version (git repo). 20130901 10:41:45-!- bumbadadabum [~bumba@d155109.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 10:43:51< NoQ> yay im actually proceeding! 20130901 10:43:54< NoQ> thx all 20130901 10:47:50-!- Unnheulu [~unnheulu@host86-147-155-181.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 10:55:44-!- Unnheulu [~unnheulu@host86-147-155-181.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20130901 11:00:27-!- H-Hour [~H-Hour@cpc7-sgyl35-2-0-cust428.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 11:23:40-!- lipkab [~the_new_l@host-91-147-212-174.biatv.hu] has joined #wesnoth 20130901 11:26:27-!- Ard0n1k [~ardonik@adsl-75-28-107-194.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20130901 11:33:27-!- adityarajbhatt [~adityaraj@122.161.105.70] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 20130901 11:34:37-!- Octalot 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