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20131001 00:30:46< fendrin> shadowm: hi
20131001 00:31:02< shadowm> Hello there.
20131001 00:31:30< fendrin> shadowm: A gui question. I am playing with the help browser at low resolutions.
20131001 00:31:57< shadowm> Yes, sure.
20131001 00:32:16< fendrin> Do you think it is a good idea to move unimportant stuff down to have the facts available without scrolling?
20131001 00:32:53< shadowm> Yes, but only once "unimportant stuff" has been defined to be something that everyone agrees with.
20131001 00:33:00< fendrin> The portrait images for example. 
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20131001 00:33:30< fendrin> They are huge, don't add to the gameplay mechanisms and are most likely annoying a low resolution user.
20131001 00:35:28< shadowm> I'm not sure what artists would think of that.
20131001 00:36:11< _Coffee> fendrin: the pictures are really nice, but on the left there is room for the text to go up
20131001 00:36:24< _Coffee> looks like the text is bounded by a box that goes to the lowest point of the portrait
20131001 00:36:35< _Coffee> and not the point where it could start on the left
20131001 00:37:00< fendrin> Well, I do not want to remove them.
20131001 00:38:11< _Coffee> the unit information (like advances to, race) could potentially move upwards (like square text in office)
20131001 00:39:15< fendrin> My thought is: If a user wants to read the descriptions or take a closer look at the images the scrolling is not a big deal.
20131001 00:39:56< _Coffee> you wouldn't have to remove anything
20131001 00:40:12< fendrin> Yes, that is the plan.
20131001 00:40:24< fendrin> Moving them down on the same page.
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20131001 00:42:08< shadowm> You could hide the portraits altogether on horizontal widths < 1024.
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20131001 00:42:56< shadowm> Considering that in the worst case, the portrait is 500 pixels wide and the screen width only 800, it doesn't sound all that extreme to me.
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20131001 01:40:30< gfgtdf> shadowm or anyone: if i my pull request was merged and i change/break/delete my forked repo will that cause any trouble?
20131001 01:40:41< gfgtdf> fendrin: are you fabi ?
20131001 01:40:57< fendrin> gfgtdf: yes
20131001 01:41:21< gfgtdf> fendrin: do you know the asnwer to the question above?
20131001 01:42:38< fendrin> no
20131001 01:42:48< fendrin> sorry, I don't know much about git and github
20131001 01:43:41< gfgtdf> ok
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20131001 01:49:27< shadowm> gfgtdf: No, it'll only make it more inconvenient for us to look at it for historical interest.
20131001 01:51:24< gfgtdf> shadowm: if i delete commits by push force, will that only effect the current branch?
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20131001 01:51:57< shadowm> It'll only affect any refs that are included in the push.
20131001 01:52:29< shadowm> Exactly what that entails seems to vary a lot depending on git version and configuration, so you might want to name them explicitly in the command line, e.g. git push remotenamehere branchnamehere
20131001 01:52:55< shadowm> And if you have access to the mainline repository, you are absolutely forbidden from doing that without asking first.
20131001 01:53:03< shadowm> *git push -f
20131001 01:53:17< gfgtdf> shadowm: it is my forked reop
20131001 01:53:33< shadowm> What's the pull request?
20131001 01:54:01< shadowm> #58?
20131001 01:54:15< gfgtdf> 58 i think merged by AI, 
20131001 01:54:17< gfgtdf> yes
20131001 01:54:59< shadowm> This kind of thing is why people should really use branches.
20131001 01:55:08< gfgtdf> my intention was to bring my master branch up to date by creating a new branch for the current changes and resetting the master branch to fit teh original
20131001 01:55:20< shadowm> Okay.
20131001 01:55:21< gfgtdf> ye i know the after i have done this
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20131001 02:25:33< loonycyborg> shadowm: Is that appdata thing a freedesktop standard?
20131001 02:25:58< shadowm> No effing idea.
20131001 02:26:14< shadowm> I have only vaguely heard of it before.
20131001 02:27:03< loonycyborg> If it's only a fedora invention it's unlikely that other distros will be in great hurry to adopt it
20131001 02:28:31< shadowm> Perhaps it's also used by Ubuntu, not sure.
20131001 02:28:53< shadowm> Still, those are questions you should be asking that person, not me. :p
20131001 02:29:12< shadowm> There is a link in the email.
20131001 02:29:20< shadowm> http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appdata/
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20131001 02:30:18< shadowm> It doesn't seem to be used by Ubuntu 12.04 at least, or the file location is different.
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20131001 03:30:40< AI0867> gfgtdf: no, I am not online
20131001 03:31:09< AI0867> about the thing about you breaking the repo... I'm curious aout how you intend to do so...
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20131001 08:07:22< irker474> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master 84b1b982aa7d / src/ (game_events/handlers.cpp gamestatus.cpp gamestatus.hpp): Add some modularization. http://git.io/eWvRxw
20131001 08:07:24< irker474> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master 3c3db983dda6 / src/actions/move.cpp: Split unit_mover::to_reveal_ into ambushers_ and blocked_loc_. http://git.io/-bvs7w
20131001 08:07:26< irker474> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master 3c15131a8439 / src/actions/move.cpp: Delay reading the ambush alert from units until needed. http://git.io/epX6-A
20131001 08:07:28< irker474> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master aa223afd4310 / src/actions/move.cpp: Small optimization of unit_mover::validate_ambushers(). http://git.io/UKB7ng
20131001 08:07:30< irker474> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master b86002fb836d / src/unit.cpp: Automatically clear a unit's visibility cache when UNCOVERED changes. http://git.io/-Tg_Gg
20131001 08:07:32< irker474> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master 0fb7928ecb9c / src/ (unit.cpp unit.hpp): Rework unit::invisibility_cache_ so it only applies when not UNCOVERED. http://git.io/9mD55w
20131001 08:07:34< irker474> wesnoth: JaMiT wesnoth-old:master ac4606166d02 / changelog src/actions/move.cpp: Add sighted events for ambushers discovered while moving. http://git.io/Z0IhJQ
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20131001 09:14:56< AI0867> gfgtdf: if you mean force pushing, the pull request is already merged
20131001 09:15:23< shadowm> gfgtdf kind of mentioned that at the start of the exchange.
20131001 09:15:44< shadowm> "if i my pull request was merged", et cetera.
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20131001 10:41:40< shadowm> AI0867: Apropos of http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=560436#p560436 , you diagnosed this issue at some point and concluded something. What was it?
20131001 10:41:50< shadowm> I might as well take a look at it now that I can build on Windows.
20131001 10:42:14< shadowm> Unless someone else is doing the same/going to do the same.
20131001 10:48:44< shadowm> AI0867:  * http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=560416#p560416
20131001 10:49:35< shadowm> Apparently only my dialog has issues with this configuration, but I still suspect there's crap being passed around and waiting to fail under unspecified conditions.
20131001 10:50:05< shadowm>     path_map_["config"] = get_user_config_dir();
20131001 10:50:23< shadowm> I literally do nothing else with the result, so if GUI2 says it's invalid UTF-8, it means it's invalid UTF-8.
20131001 10:52:02< shadowm> The command line I used was --config-dir c:\áááááá.
20131001 10:52:44< shadowm> So I suspect that's being passed in argv as CP 1252 and then we are appending UTF-8 (in this test case only the ASCII subset of UTF-8, though) to it.
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20131001 11:03:15< shadowm> Put this in main() http://pastebin.com/AfUHG7RD , got this in stderr: http://pastebin.com/kHLPGuFZ
20131001 11:03:41< shadowm> What's with the large numbers after "C:\"? :/
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20131001 13:01:02< AI0867> shadowm: the issue is that 1) windows interprets the arguments to the C standard file functions as encoded in whatever code page is set. 2) there is no utf-8 code page 
20131001 13:01:38< AI0867> I did a rewrite of our filesystem code using boost::filesystem and had espreon test it, but came to the conclusion that boost suffered from the exact same problem
20131001 13:02:05< Ivanovic> there will be a short addon server downtime in about 4h
20131001 13:02:21< Ivanovic> the reason is the move to the new server
20131001 13:02:43< Ivanovic> the downtime is composed of time for moving things followed by time for the DNS update
20131001 13:03:22< shadowm> I'm writing the forum announcement right now.
20131001 13:03:29< AI0867> that was probably using 1.53
20131001 13:06:13< AI0867> shadowm: looks like negative numbers. char must be signed on that system
20131001 13:06:24< shadowm> It's Windows. :p
20131001 13:06:28< AI0867> but that does mean the high-bit is st
20131001 13:06:30< AI0867> set
20131001 13:07:01< AI0867> and they're single-byte encodings for those chars
20131001 13:07:16< AI0867> so definitely some european extended ASCII encoding
20131001 13:07:18< shadowm> I've never really understood whether and when char can be expected to be signed.
20131001 13:07:36< AI0867> when the system and/or compiler designer felt like it
20131001 13:07:39< AI0867> it is not specified
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20131001 13:15:34< irker744> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:master a84c56b735a9 / changelog src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Implement read-only operation mode http://git.io/Elno-Q
20131001 13:17:54< shadowm> Forgot to mention that RO mode doesn't apply to download counts etc. because I don't care about them. Don't tell Dugi and the other download count-obsessed fellows.
20131001 13:18:24< shadowm> I'll look into turning write()s into no-ops at a later time.
20131001 13:20:06< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • [STATUS] Scheduled add-ons downtime for 15:00 UTC TODAY by shadowm [ 10-01-2013 11:10 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p560443 ]
20131001 13:24:12< irker744> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth-old:1.10 e1f83bdab3a2 / changelog src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Implement read-only operation mode http://git.io/Rhfgug
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20131001 13:54:54< gfgtdf> hi someone knows what TOKEN_TYPE does? it causes naming conflicts with windows headers resulting in wesnoth beeing unable to compile with visual studio under some conditions. anyone knows how i could rename it?
20131001 13:57:41< shadowm> File?
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20131001 13:59:19< shadowm> It's the name of an enum type used to describe (and cast from char IIRC) elements extracted by the tokenizer from WML files. In this particular case, the preprocessor's internal tokenizer.
20131001 13:59:27< shadowm> But I'm sure you knew this already given the context.
20131001 14:00:27< shadowm> Well, scratch the "cast from char" part. That's only done by the parser's tokenizer.
20131001 14:01:19< gfgtdf> shadowm: there are 2 TOKEN_TYPE s one in preprocessor.cpp wich is ued only there and one in formula_tokenizer.hpp
20131001 14:01:41< gfgtdf> wich is often used by the ai.
20131001 14:01:58< shadowm> Oh right, I restricted my search without noticing.
20131001 14:02:27< shadowm> I'd expect the formula analogue to be used for the same concept.
20131001 14:03:21< gfgtdf> shadowm: you have an idea how it could be renamed?
20131001 14:04:55< gfgtdf> im quite bad at thinking up names (look at my name)
20131001 14:06:03< shadowm> I kind of assumed it was a Polish name.
20131001 14:06:51< shadowm> gfgtdf: No, not really. What header does the conflicting symbol come from?
20131001 14:08:41< shadowm> That is, defining WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN excludes less frequently used Windows SDK headers that are normally included by default with windows.h. If the conflict stems from one such header, that would be a suitable workaround.
20131001 14:08:50< gfgtdf> shadowm: uhm i forgot. winnt.h according to http://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/windows/desktop/aa379633%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
20131001 14:09:07< shadowm> OK, that's not a header that can be excluded with WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN.
20131001 14:11:23< gfgtdf> shadowm: i'll take a shower will be back in ~20 min.
20131001 14:11:32< shadowm> Actually, it's not even included by windows.h, so I'll assume it's included by something else such as Boost.
20131001 14:13:10< gfgtdf> shadowm: i dont know it was eiger a boost header or a stdlib header
20131001 14:13:22< gfgtdf> but i dont remember
20131001 14:14:46< shadowm> Actually, windows.h <- windef.h <- winnt.h
20131001 14:46:15< gfgtdf> shadowm: could i just rename it to TOKEN_TYPE_2 ?
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20131001 17:04:06< gfgtdf> AI0867: by breaking the repo i meant getting in a situiation where i dont know whta to do.
20131001 17:05:33< AI0867> 01:40 < gfgtdf> shadowm or anyone: if i my pull request was merged and i change/break/delete my forked repo will that cause any trouble? <-- no issues
20131001 17:06:15< AI0867> but as shadowm said, you really should use a branch to work on, rather than the master.
20131001 17:06:18< gfgtdf> AI0867: ye shadown aready andwered me. and i did already what i wanted
20131001 17:06:44< gfgtdf> AI0867: do you think i could just name the enums ".._2" ?
20131001 17:07:01< gfgtdf> AI0867: for the msvc fix.
20131001 17:07:17< AI0867> I'm curious what winnt.h does that it breaks a namespaced enum
20131001 17:08:26< AI0867> anyway, HELP_INDEX is about the unit_type object being built to the point that it can be shown in the ingame help's list
20131001 17:08:40< AI0867> you could call it HELP_INDEXED or something
20131001 17:09:09< AI0867> add a comment explaining that HELP_INDEX conflicts with MSVC
20131001 17:09:39< AI0867> I don't know about TOKEN_TYPE
20131001 17:09:43< gfgtdf> what is does: http://pastebin.com/vVYnN3Km on top namespace.
20131001 17:10:37< AI0867> and it does that in the global namespace?
20131001 17:10:50< AI0867> still shouldn't be an issue as we do namespace it
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20131001 17:17:15< gfgtdf> AI0857: ye global namespace, well it gave me an error because of that, i could compile it again to get teh message agin but that would take some time
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20131001 17:40:31< janebot> Wesnoth Forums | Developers’ Discussions • Re: [STATUS] Scheduled add-ons downtime for 15:00 UTC TODAY by shadowm [ 10-01-2013 15:37 ] [ http://r.wesnoth.org/p560448 ]
20131001 17:41:30< gfgtdf> AI0867, shadowm: HELP_INDEX is already defined in WinUser.h as "#define HELP_INDEX        0x0003L" but the last time i compiled it i got no error.
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20131001 18:21:45< AI0867> gfgtdf: gah, a macro
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20131001 19:46:47< gfgtdf> hi, when i want to access github i eigher get Error500 or "Angy Unicorn error: the pages takes to long to load"
20131001 19:47:00< gfgtdf> anyone knows what that means?
20131001 19:49:07< gfgtdf> anyone online ?
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20131001 20:00:43< thunderstruck> _Coffee: Hello.
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20131001 20:01:40< thunderstruck> I've seen your mockup. However, it does not reflect information which is needed for a campaigns.
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20131001 20:01:52< thunderstruck> I.e. a campaign's name and a difficulty.
20131001 20:03:42< thunderstruck> So, if for example we would just put that information in the current lobby game item, we would have something like this: "The Uprooting (Legend of Wesmere campaign, intermediate difficulty)- 50x50
20131001 20:04:02< thunderstruck> Which would make a very long line.
20131001 20:04:42< thunderstruck> So, perhaps era could be displayed in the same line as mods and campaigns would get a whole line?
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