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20131015 12:10:06< Coffee_irc> ping bumbadadabum
20131015 12:10:11< bumbadadabum> hi Coffee_irc 
20131015 12:10:15< Coffee_irc> hi
20131015 12:10:19< Coffee_irc> you got a sec?
20131015 12:10:34< bumbadadabum> Yes I hav
20131015 12:10:37< bumbadadabum> *have
20131015 12:10:58< Coffee_irc> I had a look at the animation WML for some of the files you recently committed
20131015 12:11:20< Coffee_irc> the princess animation is missing a sound for the saber attack
20131015 12:11:28< bumbadadabum> is she?
20131015 12:11:33< Coffee_irc> yes
20131015 12:11:35< bumbadadabum> Oh, I must have forgotten to add that
20131015 12:11:41< bumbadadabum> my excuses
20131015 12:11:44< bumbadadabum> I'll commit a fic
20131015 12:11:46< bumbadadabum> *fix
20131015 12:11:47< Coffee_irc> not sure when is a good time to start it though
20131015 12:13:34< Coffee_irc> the other one that also originally had a problem, is the frontier baroness
20131015 12:13:48< Coffee_irc> the sound start time for defense is -125
20131015 12:14:00< Coffee_irc> which is possibly before an attack would land a hit
20131015 12:14:07< bumbadadabum> oh right, I just copied that
20131015 12:14:19< Coffee_irc> I suspect that the defense macro could be used here
20131015 12:14:27< bumbadadabum> no
20131015 12:14:41< bumbadadabum> there's an alternate one for miss
20131015 12:14:50< bumbadadabum> and the regular macro doesn't support this AFAIK
20131015 12:15:02< Coffee_irc> is it really alternate?
20131015 12:15:05< bumbadadabum> yes
20131015 12:15:13< bumbadadabum> one where she dodges
20131015 12:15:15< Coffee_irc> the regular defense macro also only plays the sound on hit and not kill
20131015 12:15:20< zookeeper> it sounds like a large portion of the unit animation tweaks these days are buggy? :x
20131015 12:15:54< Coffee_irc> zookeeper: they were always buggy, just took a bit of careful prodding to notice ;)
20131015 12:16:21< zookeeper> i'd have noticed if there had been that many bugs in them in the past
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20131015 12:16:31< Coffee_irc> well, they were there before
20131015 12:16:39< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Play the sound on 0?
20131015 12:16:43< zookeeper> really?
20131015 12:16:47< Coffee_irc> -25 is the standard time
20131015 12:16:53< Coffee_irc> in the macro for defense
20131015 12:16:57< bumbadadabum> yeah I was going to suggest that lol
20131015 12:16:59< Coffee_irc> zookeeper: yeah
20131015 12:17:04< bumbadadabum> but you're typing faster
20131015 12:17:23< Coffee_irc> well, I've had some time off from work
20131015 12:17:33< Coffee_irc> and I'm feeling really good at the moment
20131015 12:17:40< Coffee_irc> I just got my 3d printer
20131015 12:17:52< Coffee_irc> and got some stuff to keep me occupied
20131015 12:18:16< Coffee_irc> before I was working too hard in real life :P
20131015 12:18:28< Coffee_irc> and couldn't type for sh$*
20131015 12:19:11< bumbadadabum>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
20131015 12:19:12< bumbadadabum> wait
20131015 12:19:16< bumbadadabum> I only changed one line
20131015 12:19:24< bumbadadabum> is there a way to check what the commit actually changed?
20131015 12:19:32< Coffee_irc> type "gitk"
20131015 12:19:44< Coffee_irc> if it is installed
20131015 12:19:58< Coffee_irc> or "git diff"
20131015 12:20:02< bumbadadabum> installing
20131015 12:20:19< Coffee_irc> gitk is a pretty good GUI for git changes
20131015 12:20:27< Coffee_irc> and where I picked up the problems I listed
20131015 12:20:52< bumbadadabum> wow really...
20131015 12:20:57< bumbadadabum> I thought I had commited those changes
20131015 12:21:22< Coffee_irc> it shows all previous commits and has inbuild diff functions and such
20131015 12:21:27< bumbadadabum> The unit is now broken...
20131015 12:21:28< Coffee_irc> *inbuilt
20131015 12:21:35< bumbadadabum> because I made a typo in a macro
20131015 12:21:40< bumbadadabum> which I changed before committing
20131015 12:21:46< bumbadadabum> but apparently it didn't commit it
20131015 12:23:25< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: The frontier baroness issues are all git being silly...
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20131015 12:24:35< Coffee_irc> ?
20131015 12:24:50< Coffee_irc> what does it say about local uncommitted changes?
20131015 12:24:54< bumbadadabum> It didn't commit my changes to the file properly
20131015 12:25:14< bumbadadabum> Well, it used an older save of the file
20131015 12:25:17< bumbadadabum> or something
20131015 12:25:23< bumbadadabum> It should work properly now
20131015 12:25:39< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: are you a dev?
20131015 12:25:48< bumbadadabum> Well, I have commit access
20131015 12:25:56< Coffee_irc> and are you pushing your changes?
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20131015 12:26:31< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master ef606ced1006 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/units/frontier-baroness.cfg: Updated the Frontier Baroness's hit sound timing http://git.io/t6m-yw
20131015 12:26:34< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master fdd4b1986811 / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/units/Princess.cfg: Added a sound for the Princess's melee animation http://git.io/6uqhyA
20131015 12:26:36< bumbadadabum> yes
20131015 12:27:28< Coffee_irc> that looks better
20131015 12:27:34< bumbadadabum> it is
20131015 12:27:43< Coffee_irc> so what's the problem with git?
20131015 12:27:53< bumbadadabum> Well, there was something
20131015 12:28:14< bumbadadabum> It just took an outdated version of the file when I committed it
20131015 12:28:20< Coffee_irc> ah
20131015 12:28:27< bumbadadabum> I'll double-check next time
20131015 12:28:34< bumbadadabum> also, thanks for suggesting gitk
20131015 12:28:36< bumbadadabum> this is very nice
20131015 12:28:37< Coffee_irc> when you commit changes, I would do a "git commit -a -m 'message'"
20131015 12:28:48< bumbadadabum> me too
20131015 12:28:50< Coffee_irc> the -a makes sure all changes are being commited
20131015 12:28:57< bumbadadabum> all files, yeah
20131015 12:29:10< Coffee_irc> otherwise you can get older versions of files in a commit
20131015 12:29:19< bumbadadabum> perhaps that happened
20131015 12:29:51< bumbadadabum> what now?
20131015 12:30:04< Coffee_irc> well that was all I had
20131015 12:30:11< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Could you take a look at Malin's level 1
20131015 12:30:31< bumbadadabum> I'm still not sure if I like the anims the way they were originally implemented
20131015 12:30:32< Coffee_irc> in DiD?
20131015 12:30:39< bumbadadabum> I feel the ranged anim is lacking something
20131015 12:30:48< bumbadadabum> and the recruiting anim looks a bit silly IMO
20131015 12:30:49< bumbadadabum> yes
20131015 12:31:11< Coffee_irc> he's the apprentice mage, right?
20131015 12:31:16< bumbadadabum> yes
20131015 12:32:40< bumbadadabum> Also, should I mention these changes in the changelog?
20131015 12:32:49< bumbadadabum> I honestly forgot about that
20131015 12:33:06< Coffee_irc> well... maybe once they are done as a conversion to new syntax thing?
20131015 12:33:18< bumbadadabum> yeah they are
20131015 12:33:53< Coffee_irc> just an entry to say that the mainline campaigns now have updated animation WML syntax applied
20131015 12:34:58< Coffee_irc> malin's ranged attack looks good to me
20131015 12:35:06< Coffee_irc> but I haven't tried it in game
20131015 12:35:10< bumbadadabum> I feel it lacks a halo
20131015 12:35:21< Coffee_irc> he's got one to recruit for some reason
20131015 12:35:27< bumbadadabum> yeah
20131015 12:35:32< bumbadadabum> all necromancers have
20131015 12:35:47< Coffee_irc> could you use the same one for the attack?
20131015 12:36:00< bumbadadabum> Not really
20131015 12:36:06< bumbadadabum> it's a slightly different anim
20131015 12:36:16< bumbadadabum> and attack
20131015 12:36:24< Coffee_irc> a halo around the unit or the missile?
20131015 12:36:28< bumbadadabum> the ranged attack is meant to be some kind of mud blob or something
20131015 12:36:45< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: The unit
20131015 12:36:58< bumbadadabum> IMO it looks like he's shooting black goop from his fist now
20131015 12:37:21< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: What other campaigns are converted to the new syntax?
20131015 12:37:36< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: none of them :P
20131015 12:37:48< Coffee_irc> but all the data/core/unit and macros are converted
20131015 12:37:59< bumbadadabum> I know that
20131015 12:38:51< bumbadadabum> I'll also add that the MISSILE_FRAME_MUZZLE_FLARE_MISS has been changed
20131015 12:38:51< Coffee_irc> if you're happy to do more with the conversion, can we split it?
20131015 12:39:06< bumbadadabum> I was planning on doing Liberty today
20131015 12:39:16< bumbadadabum> and maybe... I don't know
20131015 12:39:24< bumbadadabum> are there other campaigns with custom units
20131015 12:39:31< bumbadadabum> that aren't UtBS
20131015 12:40:15< Coffee_irc> so you've done DiD and you maintain UtBS and you've done HttT
20131015 12:40:24< bumbadadabum> Also, shall I put the new syntax in the campaigns' section?
20131015 12:40:27< bumbadadabum> yes
20131015 12:40:35< Coffee_irc> and if you do Liberty, I can do the other ones
20131015 12:40:46< bumbadadabum> sure
20131015 12:41:00< Coffee_irc> in the changelog? That makes sense
20131015 12:42:06< Coffee_irc> we could use the lich halo with an opacity image path function for Malin?
20131015 12:42:15< bumbadadabum> perhaps
20131015 12:42:26< Coffee_irc> that's the halo/undead/black-magic-[1~5].png
20131015 12:42:37< bumbadadabum> I think the adept halo would be more fitting
20131015 12:42:56< bumbadadabum> also, where shall I put the mention of the changed macro syntax for the muzzle miss?
20131015 12:43:07< bumbadadabum> just in misc?
20131015 12:43:26< Coffee_irc> does it affect the image on screen?
20131015 12:43:35< bumbadadabum> no, just the syntax
20131015 12:43:45< bumbadadabum> it's not MISSILE_FRAME_MUZZLE_FLARE_MISS X Y
20131015 12:43:47< bumbadadabum> *now
20131015 12:43:55< Coffee_irc> because most of these could be grouped into a single, campaigns changed over to new syntax or macros changed over to new syntax
20131015 12:44:08< Coffee_irc> oh
20131015 12:44:22< bumbadadabum>    * The MISSILE_FRAME_MUZZLE_FLARE_MISS macro now requires an X and Y argument
20131015 12:44:24< bumbadadabum> like this?
20131015 12:44:29< Coffee_irc> that probably requires something
20131015 12:44:47< Coffee_irc> I wasn't sure myself, so I listed changes under misc
20131015 12:45:52< Coffee_irc> looks good to me
20131015 12:47:14< bumbadadabum> k
20131015 12:47:36< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 1926e287d43a / changelog: Updated changelog http://git.io/7HP8hA
20131015 12:49:01< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: What do you prefer to do with dummy anims
20131015 12:49:08< bumbadadabum> that are the baseframe
20131015 12:49:12< bumbadadabum> split into 4 frames
20131015 12:49:40< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: for what?
20131015 12:49:53< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Bone knight in L for example
20131015 12:50:41< bumbadadabum> or that's actually a poor example
20131015 12:50:47< Coffee_irc> you could combine them I suppose as they appear in the WML
20131015 12:50:48< bumbadadabum> I think it's only split because sound timing
20131015 12:50:59< Coffee_irc> should be simpler with the new syntax
20131015 12:51:28< bumbadadabum> I'll just make this one             image="units/undead-skeletal/boneknight.png:400"
20131015 12:51:37< Coffee_irc> that's what I would do
20131015 12:51:45< bumbadadabum> yeah, it's a bit shorter, but watching a baseframe for half a second...
20131015 12:52:15< Coffee_irc> you could do image="units/undead-skeletal/boneknight.png:[100,200,300]" #hit1,hit2,after hit
20131015 12:52:28< Coffee_irc> or such if the artist has left placeholder images
20131015 12:52:34< bumbadadabum> eh, I'll do this
20131015 12:52:53< bumbadadabum> if it gets new anims, chances are the artist will not follow those placeholders
20131015 12:52:59< Coffee_irc> true
20131015 12:53:22< bumbadadabum> also, shouldn't the axe attack also have the horse-canter.wav?
20131015 12:53:37< bumbadadabum> it's a mounted unit after all
20131015 12:53:53< Coffee_irc> is it a dead horse?
20131015 12:53:58< Coffee_irc> if so, then maybe not
20131015 12:53:59< bumbadadabum> A live one
20131015 12:54:13< bumbadadabum> the trample attack does have the sound
20131015 12:54:17< Coffee_irc> this is one of the sound issues then to fix then
20131015 12:54:18< bumbadadabum> but the axe hasn't
20131015 12:55:06< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: my take on Marlin: http://pastebin.com/Ah3NuLXg
20131015 12:56:00< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: I'll test it when I'm finished with Libery
20131015 12:56:03< bumbadadabum> *Liberty
20131015 13:06:38< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: I'm also trying to make the Rogue Mage ranged anum look better
20131015 13:08:42< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: jetrel and co seem to be okay with small changes to timings and such, but if you want a big change, I made that forum page
20131015 13:08:45< Coffee_irc> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=38983
20131015 13:09:09< bumbadadabum> yeah I know
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20131015 13:57:11< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master e6e8e5a9006d / data/campaigns/Liberty/units/ (6 files): Updated the Libery animation WML http://git.io/S2t36A
20131015 13:57:14< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 9c0a8cf36da4 / changelog: Updated changelog http://git.io/9FJu3w
20131015 13:57:24< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: There's Liberty done
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20131015 14:03:44< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: that Marlin animation halo I posted might need an offset
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20131015 14:04:01< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: I'll take a look at it
20131015 14:04:08< bumbadadabum> Should we run it by Jet first?
20131015 14:04:42< Coffee_irc> if he's here
20131015 14:04:59< Coffee_irc> otherwise, probably best to get a good candidate one first
20131015 14:06:38< Coffee_irc> ping jetrel_laptop
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20131015 14:10:42< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc:             halo="halo/undead/dark-magic-[1~6].png~O(70%):50"
20131015 14:11:00< bumbadadabum> It seems ~O isn't really working
20131015 14:11:59< Coffee_irc> well, maybe try:   halo="halo/undead/dark-magic-[1~6].png~O(40%):50"
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20131015 14:16:48< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: http://pastebin.com/MRzYFwp9
20131015 14:16:54< bumbadadabum> This is what I have now
20131015 14:16:59< bumbadadabum> and I think it looks pretty good
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20131015 14:17:58< Coffee_irc> yeah, that ought to work well
20131015 14:18:32< bumbadadabum> perhaps tweak the opacity a bit more
20131015 14:18:38< bumbadadabum> and mayeb change the halo even
20131015 14:18:51< bumbadadabum> to something less necromancer-y
20131015 14:19:05< Coffee_irc> ah
20131015 14:19:13< Coffee_irc> the halo time needs to be shortened
20131015 14:19:31< bumbadadabum> why?
20131015 14:19:40< Coffee_irc> because it is too long for the frame time
20131015 14:19:43< bumbadadabum> oh
20131015 14:19:45< bumbadadabum> wait
20131015 14:19:46< bumbadadabum> lol
20131015 14:19:53< bumbadadabum> I forgot to change that
20131015 14:20:39< Coffee_irc> good to check on 0.25 speed for one attack
20131015 14:20:59< Coffee_irc> so you see if it is as you think
20131015 14:21:09< bumbadadabum> I think we could change the last frame's time to 300
20131015 14:21:16< bumbadadabum> and bump the starting time a little
20131015 14:21:20< bumbadadabum> (100 ms)
20131015 14:21:27< bumbadadabum> (or a bit less)
20131015 14:21:40< Coffee_irc> yeah, I think the custom units for campaigns didn't have the same scrutiny in making them as cor units
20131015 14:21:45< bumbadadabum> It looked good on 0.5 speed
20131015 14:21:45< Coffee_irc> *core
20131015 14:22:41< Coffee_irc> from what I've seen is that it generally looks good on faster speeds if it looks good on slower speeds
20131015 14:22:53< bumbadadabum> well
20131015 14:23:00< bumbadadabum> yeah
20131015 14:23:08< bumbadadabum> unless you use 10ms frames
20131015 14:23:17< Coffee_irc> well, yeah
20131015 14:23:27< Coffee_irc> the engine won't display those properly
20131015 14:23:35< Coffee_irc> it is too short a time
20131015 14:23:45< bumbadadabum> Of course
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20131015 14:28:17< bumbadadabum> I'll check it with 300ms second frame
20131015 14:28:31< bumbadadabum> and -350 starting time
20131015 14:30:39< bumbadadabum> yeah this looks pretty good
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20131015 14:34:18< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: you are very welcome to commit and put the link to the git page https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth-old/commit/<version>
20131015 14:34:40< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Ok, will do that now
20131015 14:34:52< Coffee_irc> I made a video of the red mage line change using istanbul and setting a screen area
20131015 14:35:34< Coffee_irc> I don't really know how much actual interest there is out there in looking at polishing the existing animations though :P
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20131015 14:40:29< Coffee_irc> in the dead water campaign all the king line animations are commented out for some reason?
20131015 14:40:43< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 6e70cd431e7e / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/units/apprentice-mage.cfg: Updated ranged animation for Malin http://git.io/EvDAkg
20131015 14:42:26< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Should I link it in the thread?
20131015 14:42:46< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: probably a good idea to keep the artist informed about these things
20131015 14:44:43< Coffee_irc> oh I see, the merman king base sprites have been updated and the old ones look different
20131015 14:45:27< bumbadadabum> Jetrel_new: Do the new Spearman anims have your green light?
20131015 14:45:52< bumbadadabum> I think they look good enough
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20131015 14:57:22< jetrel_laptop> bumbadadabum:  sure.
20131015 14:57:43< bumbadadabum> jetrel_laptop: I'm not sure about the timings though
20131015 14:58:37< jetrel_laptop> I'm busy right now and don't have time to discuss this in depth - but it's probably fine to tweak the timings freely.
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20131015 15:05:33< bumbadadabum> jetrel_laptop: I'm asking Major if he minds if I commit them
20131015 15:05:57< bumbadadabum> In case he wants to work on it more
20131015 15:06:19< jetrel_laptop> Sounds good.
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20131015 15:59:12< irker707> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth-old:master b996f0b8c9f4 / / (8 files in 2 dirs): DW: convert unit WML to new syntax http://git.io/QQV8XA
20131015 15:59:14< irker707> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth-old:master d3ad4d84b4fd / changelog data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/units/Wose_Shaman.cfg: DM: convert unit WML to new syntax http://git.io/8pSLog
20131015 15:59:16< irker707> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth-old:master b1f7ec61f84c / / (5 files in 2 dirs): EI: convert unit WML to new syntax http://git.io/7Lmhpg
20131015 15:59:18< irker707> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth-old:master b825400c2fbb / / (3 files in 2 dirs): SoF: convert unit WML to new syntax http://git.io/9fopeg
20131015 15:59:20< irker707> wesnoth: David Mikos wesnoth-old:master 8aa32d5949e9 / / (4 files in 2 dirs): SotBE: convert unit WML to new syntax http://git.io/BG5zaA
20131015 15:59:32< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Awesome
20131015 15:59:49< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: phew, it's tiring work :P
20131015 16:00:48< Coffee_irc> I believe I fixed some sound issues along the way
20131015 16:02:25< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Lord_Knightmare reported to me that the Fire Dragon has no animations at all
20131015 16:02:32< bumbadadabum> I think I'll go fix that now
20131015 16:02:47< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: there was a different fire dragon before with animations
20131015 16:02:54< Coffee_irc> the new one I don't think has any yet
20131015 16:02:56< bumbadadabum> I know
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20131015 16:06:25< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: <Lord_Knightmare> could you make the Dark Adept/Necromancer/Dark Sorcerer/Lich/Ancient Lich have different attack animations for chill wave/tempest and shadow wave
20131015 16:06:30< bumbadadabum> Could we?
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20131015 16:07:59< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: we could use the imagepathfunctions?
20131015 16:08:12< bumbadadabum> or a different sound
20131015 16:08:17< bumbadadabum> or a different halo
20131015 16:08:25< bumbadadabum> or a different projectile
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20131015 16:09:20< Coffee_irc> for chill wave we could even do a color swap towards cyan
20131015 16:10:14< Coffee_irc> we could get something going and then show the artists to see what they think
20131015 16:11:19< Coffee_irc> or the shadow wave could be all black
20131015 16:11:26< Coffee_irc> rather than purple as it is now
20131015 16:11:29< bumbadadabum> fun fact
20131015 16:11:40< bumbadadabum> chill wave used to use magicmissile.wav
20131015 16:11:41< bumbadadabum> IIRC
20131015 16:11:46< bumbadadabum> and used to be more chilly
20131015 16:12:20< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: we could change both -- one the sound, the other the picture
20131015 16:12:47< bumbadadabum> I think the current halo/projectile/sound fits the shadow wave fine
20131015 16:12:52< Coffee_irc> do a color change to all black for shadow wave
20131015 16:13:13< Coffee_irc> and the sound change for the shadow wave
20131015 16:13:22< Coffee_irc> we could have 2 sounds at once as well
20131015 16:14:05< Coffee_irc> magic-dark.ogg+magicmissile.wav for chill wave?
20131015 16:14:13< bumbadadabum> I don't know
20131015 16:14:23< bumbadadabum> we could try out a few ideas
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20131015 16:20:22< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Is it ok if I don't bother with x,y values in the fire dragon fire breath?
20131015 16:20:50< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: ?
20131015 16:20:59< Coffee_irc> does it actually have animation frames now?
20131015 16:21:03< bumbadadabum> Nope
20131015 16:21:06< bumbadadabum> and I'm adding them
20131015 16:21:12< bumbadadabum> well, [frame]s
20131015 16:21:14< Coffee_irc> I wouldn't bother then
20131015 16:21:16< bumbadadabum> in [attack_anim]
20131015 16:21:21< bumbadadabum> but no actual drawn frames
20131015 16:21:32< Coffee_irc> as the monster may move a bit before spitting out fire
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20131015 16:30:30< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: here's a test with the color shift and extra sound: http://pastebin.com/1rx1XXRb
20131015 16:32:23< Coffee_irc> could even make the shadow wave animation last longer on screen to make it "loom like a shadow"
20131015 16:34:12< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 9d6245c23bb0 / data/core/units/monsters/Fire_Dragon.cfg: Added [attack_anim]s to the Fire Dragon http://git.io/QquTTw
20131015 16:34:15< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master b8be294dff3b / changelog: Updated changelog http://git.io/bwGpIw
20131015 16:34:42< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: We could also have no projectile for the chill wave
20131015 16:34:55< bumbadadabum> and just have it be a halo with offset 1
20131015 16:36:26< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: the chill wave is used way more often
20131015 16:36:34< bumbadadabum> eh, yeah
20131015 16:36:38< bumbadadabum> maybe for the shadow wave then
20131015 16:36:39< Coffee_irc> so IMO you'd want the best animation for this one
20131015 16:37:30< bumbadadabum>         [missile_frame]
20131015 16:37:30< bumbadadabum>             duration=450
20131015 16:37:30< bumbadadabum>             offset=1.0
20131015 16:37:30< bumbadadabum>             halo=halo/elven/ice-halo[9~1].png~CS(40,-40,10)
20131015 16:37:30< bumbadadabum>         [/missile_frame]
20131015 16:37:35< bumbadadabum> I did this for one of my units
20131015 16:38:59< Coffee_irc> bumbadadabum: looks suspiciously like an elf halo to me :P
20131015 16:39:23< bumbadadabum> Coffee_irc: Of course we can use a different halo, but it's about the principle
20131015 16:42:34< Coffee_irc> I don't know
20131015 16:42:48< vultraz> bumbadadabum: are you planning on using the stormkind chill attack in mainline?
20131015 16:42:54< vultraz> perhaps as chillwavez
20131015 16:42:58< bumbadadabum> vultraz: No.
20131015 16:43:09< bumbadadabum> we could do something like it
20131015 16:43:33< Coffee_irc> but it is a good idea to differentiate the attacks
20131015 16:43:40< bumbadadabum> yes
20131015 16:44:04< bumbadadabum> I think the person that implemented the shadow wave in 200X
20131015 16:44:12< bumbadadabum> just forgot to change that
20131015 16:44:17< bumbadadabum> and made them both use the same anim
20131015 16:44:34< bumbadadabum> and nobody has complained about it until now
20131015 16:45:15< bumbadadabum> be back in a bit
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20131015 16:52:38< Coffee_irc> I'm off to sleep, but it sounds like a problem that the artists might be able to best solve through a post on the forums
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20131015 19:10:46< mattsc> zookeeper, Turuk, Crab_, flix et al.: concerning coding things like transport ship (un)loading, I've poked around in the source code and there doesn't seem to be a way to transfer information from LuaAI to WML in a replay-safe way (other than the usual actions: move, attack, recruit ...)
20131015 19:10:49< mattsc> I mean not only does such an action hook not exist within the AI functionality, but there also doesn't seem to be a replay command type that can handle that.
20131015 19:12:38< mattsc> So the options I see are either to code all the decision making in WML, or to use some sort of trick like having the AI move or recruit hidden units that will then fire events based on where they move or what unit type is recruited.
20131015 19:12:55< mattsc> I am posting that here in the hope that somebody will tell me that I am wrong.  :)
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20131015 19:20:28< zookeeper> mattsc, well i don't know if you're wrong or not, but i guess i'd very much discourage hacks with hidden unit moves etc.
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20131015 19:21:53< mattsc> zookeeper: yeah, I'd only consider that for things that cannot be done in WML (which, at least in SotBE Black Flag, is not the case)
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20131015 19:23:14< mattsc> zookeeper: for example, the unloading can be triggered by the ships moving into shallow water, and we just need to make sure that they never do unless they can find a safe landing spot.
20131015 19:24:34< mattsc> zookeeper: of course, then the question is why would we use the Lua AI at all, since that can also easily be done in WML ...  :P
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20131015 19:32:26< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 1009da6821d4 / data/core/ (30 files in 2 dirs): Added new Spearman animations by Major http://git.io/k_o_xw
20131015 19:32:29< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master 2df5c6673be0 / changelog players_changelog: Updated changelog and players_changelog http://git.io/VaCIhA
20131015 19:32:32< irker707> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth-old:master ed22d9201339 / data/core/about.cfg: Added rhyging5 to the credits http://git.io/YiVN9Q
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